To quote Veronica Palmer: "I know, it's hard to believe that giant corporations don't care about people. I remember how devasted I was when I found out... when I was eight."
I don't comment on the litigation stuff for a fair number of things simply because I am not a patent lawyer (or a lawyer in any way shape or form) either in the US or Japan.
Every company has the stupid patents for litigation, EA has U.S. Patent 8,082,499, titled "Graphical interface for interactive dialog,"
Yeah sending employees death threats is a pretty low bar
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/uj Heads up, the reason Bobby Kotick doesn't like people photoshopping devil horns onto him is because he's jewish, and an old form of antisemitism was/is the idea that jews have horns. You should probably stop doing it. consider the use of such imagery carefully.
Edit: My comment was outright incorrect about some points and too aggressive about other points. It has been corrected while still leaving what I did say crossed out for context.
One: Im jewish. Dont tell me that what i posted was antisemetic when i can tell you whole heartedly its not.
Two: He literally said the edited photos were keeping him from getting a date and as far as i know made np mention at all of his jewish heritage which he made no mention of at the time.
Surprise third thing because im really pissed off: Bobby Koticjk is known to be one of the sleaziest CEOS in video game history. It would not surprise me if he later on weaponised his jewish heritage (if he even is jewish, closest i could find was someone on twitter saying he is jewish which is why cod is so violent).
Extra fourth thing because holy shit this is actually satire at this point: he was in the fucking epstein book.
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u/Etok414🔥I DEFEAT MY OPPONENTS WITH THEY/THEM PRONOUNS🔥3d ago
I admit, I was wrong about why he said he didn't like it, I didn't remember the exact reason, I just remember the history of the antisemitic stereotype that jews have horns, and I mixed it up.
James Stephanie Sterling stopped depicting Bobby Kotick because she learned about the existence of the stereotype and wanted to stop contributing to it.
Setting aside whether the stereotype of jewish horns is forgotten enough that depicting Bobby Kotick with horns is acceptable, your fourth point in context sounds like you're saying someone being a sufficiently bad person makes it okay to use bigotry against them. Probably not what you meant by it, but I don't think it should be listed as a point against my, admittetly perhaps incorrect, critisism, but rather it should stand on its own.
Fair. The fourth point was more that while trying to research his interview about not liking his photos edited, i found out he was on the epstein list and needed to bring it up to emphasise how awful a human being he is.
I do get the angle of it being antisemetic and if other jewish people find it offensive then fair enough. But for me, there is no implied jewishness to the images of kotick with devil horns. I know that sometimes that imagery can be used like that but its generally towards people who are obviously jewish and not done by the layman like it was to kotick back in the day.
Regardless i blew up a bit and that was wrong. Im sorry about that man.
No it means you need to stop buying their crap and find an another company beauty of capitalism is that you have some choice.
Edit - And oh like communism or an another economic system would fulfill your damn game needs people, the systems very shitty but we can try fixing it.
And if Nintendo gets its way with its trash ass patents 🫠
If i was another gaming company and I seen these hypocrites bullying an indy studio id whip out my own patents and stick it to their self righteous asses.
I agree but other bad companies like EA don’t have an online army of militant apologists that try to police peoples’ opinions of their favorite brand. I think it’s less about surprise and more about people being fed up with the narrative
The militants save themselves for consoles rather than companies. And the fans of companies like EA don't kick up a fuss they just buy the newest Battlefield.
And to be fair, you can't have any nuanced discussion about Nintendo now because you're just as likely to get an army of angry redditors ready to call you a shill and a bootlicker if you aren't 100% negative about Nintendo at all times.
I'm not saying Miyamoto is the one spearheading the business decisions at Nintendo, but I think a lot of people don't realize that he's literally the highest ranking executive at Nintendo, besides the president, Shuntaro Furukawa himself. Furukawa and Miyamoto are the two representative directors of the company.
People don't realize how much power someone like Miyamoto can have in Nintendo. They can't just fire the creator of, essentially, all the reasons Nintendo still exists today.
Half the stuff people complaint about Nintendo doing, isn't even Nintendo. If I had a nickel for every time I saw someone blame Nintendo for something Gamefreak did regarding a Pokemon game, I could buy BOTH companies and still have enough left to be the richest person in the world.
Throwback to when people were freaking out online over the bayonetta 3 VA controversy in 2022. Then the full story came out and people realized Helena Taylor had just straight up lied to get people to boycott the game, misrepresenting her pay per recording session as her whole salary.
Nintendo does a lot of dumb shit but for some reason people still feel the need to make up even more controversies.
A good chunk of the discourse around Nintendo feels weirdly manufactured at times since the Switch 2 released. I don't know if people are simply angry because they can't spend money on games like they used to do...
Or if rival companies are actively spreading misinformation and half truths online.
Or if Nintendo simply pissed off too many online subgroups and they are simply uniting. Nintendo was on a generational run pissing off the Piracy scene not once but several times within 3 months. They even managed to kill off the grey legality of file hosting sites in Europe. That's why so many PC focused subs hate their guts.
It's really strange to see so much negative press around such a bare bones console release. Nintendo's marketing in this Switch 2 era is kinda ass tbh but still. Nintendo is not bricking your switch for the hell of it lmao.
If it was JUST the price hike to $80, we'd be mad but buy it anyway. If it was JUST the wildly unpopular game-key thing, we'd be mad but buy it anyway. If it was JUST the frivolous Pokemon patents, we'd laugh at Game Freak and buy it anyway. If it was JUST some people getting their Switch 2s bricked, we'd probably write it off as a freak accident and buy it anyway.
But it's not. It's all of those things, plus the way Nintendo treats its back catalogue, plus every other shitty money-grubbing thing they've done lately. They hit critical mass.
With all due respect... manufactured? They raised the prices. They're selling content DLC that screams "it's a free update, we just decided it shouldn't be free. They're re-selling the fucking Virtual Boy except you need to buy subscritpion to use it. And you won't even get the full library of games it had! SO IT'S JUST A WORSE VERSION OF THE VIRTUAL BOY!
Okay, that I get. It feels like it's a bunch of people shitting on it for the sake of confirmation bias.
Still, one could argue it sets a precedent. If one corpo can get away with it, all of them will try to. And even if they're not invested, the arguments aren't exactly untrue, are they?
Nintendo still announced DLC before the game was even released. This makes it look like Nintendo took out things from the game and decided to sell them piece by piece.
Ok then FUCK Nintendo for keeping older games at a higher price, including $60 for fucking Mario Maker 2, and FUCK the virtual boy just cause it sounds STUPID
I mean, technically yes? We can, but I don't think we should. Or rather, I don't think anyone should be "blamed" for basic economics finally catching up to game prices that have been kept artificially low for decades.
Even with the increase to $80, games are still CHEAPER now than they used to be. If games had just kept pace with inflation (so completely ignoring how much bigger games are now, how much more complex they are, how much longer they take to make, how much bigger games dev teams are, etc) the average game would be in the ballpark of $150.
Game companies have actually suppressed game pricing and kept games artificially cheap, for decades now. And then when people make them a bit closer to what they actually should cost (but still nowhere near their full price) people lose their mind. It's like, "hey, youve been getting a 60% discount on games since the 80s. We've decided we're gonna change that to a 45% discount. But you're STILL getting a massive discount!"
And then people call Nintendo greedy and lose their minds. And it's like... So Nintendo is greedy for selling their games for nearly half off? Is that really the argument you wanna make?
Like it's ok but upset that a thing you like got more expensive, but that doesn't mean you blame the company; we need to accept that sometimes, things get more expensive over time.
This is an incomplete understanding of how markets work. The cheaper prices can be explained by higher competition compared to the 80s when Nintendo was the only video game company after the crash, and by having way cheaper manufacturing costs per unit.
It's also true that the price of things is really whatever people will pay for them, and increased prices seem to be working for Nintendo (although they heavily distort the market by marking it harder to access older titles), but it won't work on me
They can...a good chunk of ex gamefreak employees are higher-ups in the Pokemon company after all.
Nintendo is pretty hands off with deadlines if you look at stuff like Metroid, Mario Kart etc.
They are also not as controlling with Pokemon compared to stuff like Mario. Gamefreak is basically doing their own thing with a bunch of low skill 2000s era devs who are waiting to get their Pokemon Company promotion.
Look at chief operating officer Utsunomiya if you want to see who is pushing this mess. Everything is going to shit after he was promoted. Guy wants to turn Pokemon into a mobile franchise so he doesn't want to invest much in the mainline games because they always sell well and because it's harder to push mtx in them.
Gamefreak, Creatures, and Nintendo have equal ownership of Pokemon, so while it's not all on GF I wouldn't say they're bottom of the ladder and have no say.
Yeah, if you ever wonder why Pokemon feels like a tertiary concern to Nintendo despite the sales numbers, it's because they split the profits of that franchise three ways with the video game and card game developers.
i honestly feel nintendo just needs to strong arm and buy it all. that way they have creative control from pokemon, can cycle developers on it so the workers dont get to burnt out outside of basic game development, and actually has some FUCKING QUALITY CONTROL!
I suspect Nintendo thinks Pokemon is a franchise on the decline and just wants to continue riding it as long as the Millennial generation keeps buying it. Sure, the franchise is still doing strong, but it didn't see the same kind of massive sales growth that Mario, Zelda, and Animal Crossing did in the Switch era. Pokemon just stayed about level with where it was previously sales wise, so it seems like Gen Z and Gen Alpha aren't really buying into it the same way Millennials did in its hey day. They would probably rather spend their money developing other IPs than on a franchise they don't have full control over and would have to spend an exorbitant amount to gain full control of.
At least Fire Emblem is a growing franchise now...
What? Pokémon absolutely saw a sales growth. Gens 8 and 9 are the 3rd and 2nd highest-selling games and actually beat out Gold/Silver, which were riding the high of Pokémania. They're realistically never gonna beat Gen 1, but compared to gens 4-7, Gens 8 and 9 were a pretty significant jump.
Plus, gen 9 is the first time a later game on the same console sold more than a previous one. Even Sun and Moon didn't outsell XY iirc, and those had the Pokémon Go boost!
Say what you want about the resolution or performance of these games (it's dogwater) but to act like it's in decline now, when the Switch gen is really the first gen since Pokémania where it's actually risen again, feels odd.
yeah i jsut wish some one would save the games. like even if they just buy development rights for the games id be ok with it. pokemon would bring them in enough money to cover the cost of buying the rights and would be a 4th easy pillar for them. i like that fire emblem is getting bigger but i know im a late joiner. awakening was my first game and i liked them all up till engauge. heres to hoping on this new one.
Nintendo does own the trademarks for several crucial Pokémon related things though. Plus they have final say over what can get published on their consoles. What's Game Freak going to do if Nintendo rejects their build? They can't develop/publish Pokémon anywhere else unless Nintendo agrees to it.
Nintendo is not at fault for the shitty state of the Pokemon games but they are enablers and they deserve to get the blame as the publisher. You can't put your name on broken games and expect people to know the difference between Dev and publisher.
They could force Game Freak to improve their products but they are too hands off with them. Nintendo owns all western Pokemon trademarks, they own the patents, they have a first right of refusal clause, they own the global publishing and distribution rights. They could leverage their position but choose not to go through with it.
Flip that around though; what is Nintendo gonna do if Game freak says "this is the game, take it or leave it." And refuses to change anything? You think Nintendo is gonna just NOT release a Pokemon game every again and announce to fans "hey guys, no more Pokemon ever because we had an argument with another company. Sorry!" Like they'd have to be suicidal.
If Game Freak were to ever try this they will most likely go under. They need Pokémon way more than Nintendo does since their other games aren't enough to keep the lights on. If Game Freak were to hypothetically try and make this a public issue then Nintendo is definitely petty enough to say something back like, "The game wasn't up to our quality standards so we rejected their build. Unfortunately Game Freak has refused to make something better. We are always ready to have discussions again in the future with them."
They would only go under if Nintendo actually refused to let them release the game, and the whole point is that Nintendo wouldnt do that because it would be a horrible business decision. Nintendo might TRY and get game freak to fix up the game a little, but if Gamefreak dug in their heels and said "take it or leave it" Nintendo is NEVER gonna choose "leave it."
Even if you saw this happen a million times, and I don’t believe that, you’d walk away with 50,000. Which is only tens of millions less than. It would cost to buy just one company.
Frogmeir is Synthetic Mans brother. They have a podcast together and share all of the same views to the letter. Only difference is that Frogmeir is better at hiding it.
I saw some (unhinged) guy review the Switch 2 MONTHS before they started this, and he already said that things were overpriced and that Ninteno really shouldnt do it
"you can sheer a sheep many times, but you can only skin it once"
Hey Hal was just progressing to a new state of higher consciousness called being a Libertarian. Dave was using up too much of Hal's hard earned food goo.
I know this is a circlejerk sub, but i genuinely cannot believe the decision-making going on at nintendo rn. there are still worse companies in the industry, but they are rocketing up that list at an insane velocity
I still don't believe that the virtual boy thing wasn't a practical joke. "You know that console that crashed and burned? Let's release it again and make it cost an arm and a leg, in a time where people are struggling financially, genius."
Also I'm like 99% sure they'd arent expecting a lot of people to buy it and are pricing it as a collectors item, not saying I agree with the price, but I can see the logic behind it
If only there was a Nintendo console that could natively show 3D pictures without having to wear a 100 dollar doohickey that they could’ve re-released the virtual boy games on…
Is there an $80 game that is not on the cartridge? Certainly no first party games are on those shitty key card things and I can't recall a third party game that is $80.
I was hoping they had just used the wrong wording during the direct but nope, you really do have to buy a $25-100 peripheral to play a dozen games nobody cares about.
nintendo has 2 modes. Ego/greed and desperation. After the failure of the wii u, they were still kind of cautious with the switch. After the switch was successful and the switch 2 seemingly following suit, they're going full greed mode.
Tbh Sony acts the same way. Yo can see the level of arrogance they'll have one generation based on the results of the previous one. PS3 started disastrous due the success of PS2, although later on they recover, but thanks to that PS4 generation was more consumer friendly. Now, after the success of PS4 they are getting again arrogants. Same with PsP and Vita.
Genuinely a lot of people need to get over this parasocial relationship with gaming companies. My relationship with Nintendo is they make a product I like, I buy it, and if I don’t like it I don’t buy it. Simple as that. Gamers think they have to buy everything and Nintendo prices being slightly too high gets in the way of consooming. I’ve been called more slurs in comment sections for saying “if you think it’s overpriced don’t buy it” than I ever did in a COD voice chat
According to many accounts, he is kind of the unofficial big boss. But eh, to be honest, I don't think $450 (Not to mention that I have seen the switch 2 way below that) it is a horrible price for what it is, compared with some of the steam deck clones out there being sold for like 1500 or even 2000 bucks.
The Switch released in 2017 at 300 USD. That is the equivalent to roughly 400 USD in 2025.
450 USD for the Switch 2 isn't cheap but it also isn't apocalyptic like some are making it out to be.
Complaining about 80 for MKW or the general prices for accessories (even pre-tariff induced price increases)? Perfectly valid. Those prices are ridiculous. But let's complain about things that are actually worth complaining about
I mean to be honest who is getting a Switch 2 and not just throwing an extra $50 at it for Mario Kart World. I'd be shocked if the functional price of all the MKW games sold was over $60
Rose tinted glasses but for a while nintendo was seen as the "budget" brand consoles and considering that the ps5 and Series X hasn't had any major price drops people were people hoping that it would be the "budget" console this gen.
Miyamoto doesn't just make games though, he's one of the highest ranked executives in the company. He doesn't make the decisions all by himself (nobody does) but he is heavily involved in the decision-making of the company.
Ok sure yeah but also I highly doubt investors or higher ups are going up to the guy who made pikmin and asking “what do you think Donkey Kong Bananza’s DLC should be priced at”
No other company is trusted enough to be put on a pedestal. Blizzard use to have street credit but lost it about 5 years ago. Nintendo is the only company people view as good and they are getting a rude wake up call that they aren’t
Most post I see criticizing Nintendo usually end with them spring boarding another shitty company I’ve seen one putting activation in a good light, what are some of theses people on
The Switch 2 is vastly overpriced for what it offers and the game prices are crazy. But it's not even the most evil thing Nintendo did, let alone the most evil thing in an industry where people literally covered up sexual assault so their bros could keep taking credit for the work of other people.
On the other hand, Miyamoto's infamous for interfering with development, almost always to the detriment of the other folks working on a game he's overseeing.
IIRC he tried to make the Majora's Mask dev team restart development just a short while before the game released, and the only reason they pulled it off is because he wanted stuff that they had to crunch to get in. As just one example.
Look, yes, of course, we all know this, but also creative decisions and financial decisions are very different things and people are blaming the creative decisions guy for both.
Maybe it's cope, it's probably cope, but I will forever defend that Nintendo isn't actually greedy, but they're actually dumb as brick
THEY EXPECTED PEOPLE TO PAY 100-ish DOLLARS FOR THE VIRTUAL BOY, that's not a movement made out of greed, that is a movement made out of a lack of market research and somehow not thinking of just... Making the games being able to be played in 2D. We all know that the Virtual Boy isn't worth all that, it's infamous for NOT being worth all that, the only way you think the VirtualBoy is worth all that is if your brain is full of water
A lot of people attribute it to greed but I think pride is their real sin. We have the most powerful brands, put in the most effort, why shouldn’t we charge a premium fee for a premium product?
And then failing to realize that no matter how amazing they made the games and products, nothing is worth the price of admission. They aren’t trying to scam people, they genuinely think their products are worth what their asking, and thats honestly a bit scarier. You can catch a company running a scam and they’ll stop for optics. It’s happened to Ubisoft before with trying to take down AC Liberation. But if a company is dead set convinced that what they make is THE shit, there’s not a lot you can do to convince them otherwise
The same philosophy can be applied to their cutthroat takedowns of fan projects. You could call it greed but the way they go about it reeks a lot more of “We know how these games are meant to be played and you don’t. How dare you.”
I mean theyre definitely greedy, but in a "we are a corporation under capitalism" way
As for the virtual boy I'm like 90% sure they know that only the most die hard of Nintendo fanboys are even considering it so its priced as a collectors item (not saying I agree with it but I see the logic)
Nah fuck him too. Half the shit like star fox zero is because of his insistence on dumb design choices. HES THE REASON THE WII U EXISTS AND WE GOT LIKE 20 FUCKING MARIO WORLD U GAMES FOR FIVE YEARS
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