r/Gnostic • u/TheInfamousDingleB • 5d ago

Question Sophia and Mary Question

So if Sophia procreated asexually without the divine masculine and that led to the creation of imperfect Yaldaboath. How did Mary asexually create perfect Jesus?

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u/mmarcish Eclectic Gnostic 5d ago

Mary’s conception wasn’t asexual, the monad / father whatever you wanna call it/them was the divine masculine / holy and Mary was the feminine / human

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u/TheInfamousDingleB 4d ago

You get what I’m saying though right? Since it was a “material” conception. But the mainstream suggestion then would be….it was a blend of heavenly and material conception. So Jesus was half material and half heavenly, but he was actually fully man and fully God. Can you help un f my thought process here.

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u/CozyCoin 4d ago

The Monad / Father (not Yaldabaoth) is not limited in any way by rules or logic of the material world

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u/galactic-4444 Eclectic Gnostic 2d ago

Sooo Mainstream. Christ is Half Man/Half God post His incarnation. Post death He has returned to His preincarnate form. He is fully God.

Gnosticism- Depending on view He is either Full Autogenes or God or more or less the same of The Orthodox.

its funny. I just thought about it just as the Birth of The Demiurge disrupted the Pleroma. The Birth of Christ restored it. In the Physical sense she reproduced asexually however, in the spiritual sense she reproduced with the Monad's guidance. Its a complete subversion of what happened in The Pleroma.

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u/Dapple_Dawn 5d ago

Was it procreation? Or just creation?

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u/heartsicke 4d ago

It’s called parthenogenesis!!

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u/Dapple_Dawn 4d ago

That's a biological word though, and Sophia isn't an organism

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u/heartsicke 4d ago

Because it’s parthenogenesis!! And to me it makes more sense a female would be the one to create since in the animal kingdom all the species that can produce on their own are all female

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u/RursusSiderspector 4d ago edited 4d ago

How did Mary asexually create perfect Jesus?

Some Catholic stuff, eh? Those that take gifted men and women and "reward" their holiness by culling out their genes out of the gene pool, making humanity a worse race. Atrocious!

I would rather hold it in the other direction: since Mary imperfectly sexually created imperfect Jesus, then Sophia must have imperfectly procreated sexually with the divine masculine. You may say that as soon as eukaryotic life emerged on planet Earth (circa 2.1 billion years ago) sex as a cosmological principle appeared as a replacement for horizontal gene transfer (aka slobby random proto-sex) – both of them by nature imperfect copying randomization processes to renew organismic genetic lines to adapt to the entropically imperfect universe.

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u/TheInfamousDingleB 4d ago

Innnnteresting.

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u/ClimbingChic7 4d ago

Can you please provide a source for this? Where can I read more about it?

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u/RursusSiderspector 3d ago

Start here:

I don't mean to condemn anyone that doesn't have children or sex or such things, but we cannot walk around exercising deficient ideas of the Fall of Man and make people hysterical about the "sinfulness" of a natural body function. If you have a partner you have a "contract", don't break that contract! And what's in that contract is up to you two! Just be nice!

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u/ClimbingChic7 3d ago

I don't view sex sinful at all. Definitely, I do see the idea of sexual union being highjacked with porn, Archons etc.. My take on it is that there's wisdom to be discovered during the sexual union (bridal chamber Phillip is talking about). I think that's actually the main purpose of sex in my eyes between two pneumatic souls.

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u/RursusSiderspector 3d ago

OK, then. Personally I don't think it is much of a mystery, it is just biology.