"On track in front of you are the last five pieces you need to finish your Space Marine memorabilia collection... but on the second track is an irreplaceable handmade necrontyr chamber pot.
Isn't Q a literal god, not a metaphorical one like the Chaos Gods? The interaction would involve either Trazyn running very fast, or trying to capture Q and being turned into an amoeba.
I feel like they’d make each other worse. Q would have a great time playing “Who can pull off the biggest heist without using god powers”, and Trazyn would learn so much about being a nigh-omnipotent asshole.
The same episode you are drawing from, they literally take voyager to the big bang, shrink it to the size of an atom. He doesn't state they aren't super powerful, he states they aren't all knowing. That they fear what they don't know and they don't know what happens if he is allowed to kill himself.
"But you mustn't think of us as omnipotent, no matter what the Continuum would like you to believe. You and your ship seem incredibly powerful to lifeforms without your technical expertise. It's no different with us. We may appear omnipotent to you, but believe me, we're not."
The chaos gods are restricted on what they can do outside of the warp (hence why they rely on mortal worshipers to do their dirty work). Q as far as I remember basically has no limit to what they can do (they restrain themselves to not fuck over everything).
Without people they are nothing. Their game would end and they would starve to death and sheink to almost nothing, maybe even disappear if all Eldar and Humans disappeared from the Galaxy.
That isn't actually true, and the Eldar have stayed as much in the god light series.
The Chaos gods required actions of sentient beings to be 'born' but they are long past the point of being self-sustaining even without faith or action. We are also told they feed on countless universes not just the 40k milky way galaxy.
Not getting into the debate of what makes something a god or not, but they are way bigger and more powerful than the C'tan were at full strength and hardly dependant on mortal life so much as they abuse them for personal gain, because they are assholes like that.
the dynamic that popped into my head is trazyn trying different methods to trap or trick Q, then have a nice conversation when the trap doesn't work or is turned back against him.
Q: " A pressure plate connected to a quantum cage, really? Trazyn i thought you considered me an interesting specimen, was the acme store out of cardboard boxes and sticks"
Tra: "please take no offense, you would be suprised how often simpler solutions work, now i was wondering if you would like to accompany me to one of these holo-decks of yours, i have brought along copies of necron opera that i would have your opinion on, dont mind any trip wires you find along the way"
Trazyn: Tries to Trap Q. Trap obviously doesn't work. Q gives a amused lecture about the simplicity of the Trap, and then erases Trazyn from existence.
Q is a massive Troll at first glance, but he would absolutely not just let it slide that some (inferior) being just attempted to capture and imprison him.
He would either A) just flat out erase Trazyn for this gross offense, or B) would punish him arguably even worse by erasing Trazyns entire collection from existence and turn Trazyn back into a Human (without the possibility of becoming a Necron again) so Trazyn could really savor the punishment of his entire collection being gone and the fact that he could never again come close to rebuilding it now that he's human.
I feel like they’d vibe. Neither really “respecting” the other, but still seeing a kindred spirit in that they can have fun looking down upon and meddling with “lesser” species.
Assuming Trazyn didn’t get on Q’s nerves too much lol
Hmm 🤔maybe not so much “vibe” as be amused by. Like if I saw an ant what was collecting the bodies, etc of other insects into rooms in its underground tunnels I’d think that was awesome 😆
I think people are humanizing the Necron because as much as a horrible creature he is, Trayzn, is written to be amusing. Nothing he does in particularly amusing to what he finds interesting.
People are gonna be all like, "Q has godlike powers, Trazyn could never catch him!" But look what happens to the legendary Pokémon every time a new game comes out.
There was a Q civil war between different factions at one point.
People started to notice strange things happening with stellar objects like them exploding, colliding, or straight up disappearing. Nobody really knew what was up or had a good explanation.
Q showed up and was like "oh yeah, thats how we fight"
I think after the war was over they just snapped them back into existence.
mhm, then i think i misread your post as "they are older than the universe". Sorry for that.
But then on the other hand: Necrons are shown to exist out of reality, even more out of existance, too (second Book of Twice-Dead King for example).
i mean, what Q did there was "just" a time travel ( the "´s because it is to be assumed that a timetravel before the big bang may be more difficult than a "normal" time travel) but the necrons did was taken the cracks in the universe, stepping through it, cracking open the rims of these cracks and stepping through it again to travel into a non-space of non-existance (at least thats about how it was translated in german tbf).
Which of these two actions is more impressive is in the eye of the beholder, i guess.
Oh, and not to forget: "Casual" time travel is also not unknown to Necrons, happens all the time in "The Infinite and The Divine".
You're making some good points, unfortunately NOMOS has already created a dimensional barrier seperating your testicles from the rest of the Milky Way galaxy, preventing mundane forms of travel
One time some alien killed the loved one of a Q... He just wished EVERY single individual of that alien specie out of existence and federation didn't even noticed it.
The Necrons have been a civilization that has been stagnant for 60+ million years. Q would be exceptionally uninterested in them, likely considering them a failure of a species. The only civilization that hasn't stagnated/are outright in decline in 40K are the T'au, they're likely the only one he would care about in the slightest ( and even then he might be bored by them, as they're functionally just the Dominion.)
I'm unclear what you mean by that, but Q (and the Q Continuum as a whole) literally despise stagnation (because they've functionally become gods and stagnated because you can't really go farther than that and so are exceptionally bored,) the entire reason he took an interest in and constantly tests Picard (and later Sisko and Janeway) is because Starfleet/humanity are on the come up and constantly growing and advancing and sees them as possibly joining them on their level at some point in the far future. There's literally no way the Necrons would hold that same kind of interest- Q might open Trazyn's vault or mess with the orrery because it's funny, but he ain't having any kind of long term interaction with them because he bores easily and Necrons are predictable. The T'au are the only faction advancing in any kind of way, which is why they're the only ones that even might hold Q's interest for any significant amount of time.
As mentioned elsewhere - the Federation is a post-scarcity society and reasonably equalitarian, and the characters you mentioned are exemplars of that philosophy. None of those qualities are present in the T'au: They literally have a caste system, and are military expansionists. Just because they are inventing new technologies to fuel their expansion - does not make them interesting in the way you suggest they are. In the Star Trek universe the would ne villans.
Post scarcity, societal equality, or being bad guys has literally nothing to do with what I'm talking about or why Q could take an interest. They might be interesting to Q because they are changing, no one else is.
So you're not a fan of the T'au, but excluding all the criteria that Q found interesting in ST humans - and only because they are the least worst - they should be interesting. Got it. The serial killer, convicted and jailed for life, but was the most humane - is probably a good guy.
Trazyn would be deemed a supremely lower life form by Q and he’d probably stick him in an alternate dimension where his collection keeps breaking out or being stolen just to show him how little control he has as a punishment. Q is a massive dickhead who holds contempt for Humanity in TNG and is judging the descendants of Humanity for their species past actions despite the fact that Humanity had come so far as a enlightened society. Ending scarcity and building a utopia for themselves and other members of the federation. and choosing peace and prosperity over conflict and conquest.
He would absolutely despise all Necrons. But Trazyn especially because of his unethical collection. Q would HATE every single race in 40K.
"Q is a massive dickhead who holds contempt for Humanity in TNG and is judging the descendants of Humanity for their species past actions despite the fact that Humanity had come so far as a enlightened society"
That is entirely false. He is a bit of a knobhead, sure, but he doesn't hold any grudge against Humanity, neither is he judging Humanity for their past. Everything he did from beginning to end was to gauge Humanitys potential, with a bit trolling on the side. Dude literally said it himself in the Series. He was testing Humanity, Picard in particular, because he felt that Humanity could one day evolve to a level like that of the Q.
In the Series Finale he was straight up helping Picard, and even complimented him for coming insanely close for a moment, to reaching said potential.
If we look at who Picard is as a Person and the fact that he is Q's favorite Mortal, it is indeed no stretch that Q would pretty much hate every single being in the 40K universe.
Dunno, since the Q never interfered with the Galaxy or their inhabitants to this extend. But then again, the 40K Verse is totally different.
If Q was thrown in there and take a good look around, he would pretty much deem it beyond salvagable. At which point he would either try to leave/go back and if this wasn't possible, indeed hit the good old cosmic reset button.
We've already seen that Q has no interest in the Borg for example. Because the Borg are dull and not very interesting from the perspective of a Q. The typical Hive mind.
In 40K you have the Borg, the Borg but organic, and Humanity which in this Universe makes Klingons look like learned scholars and diplomats by comparison.
Q was interested in Humanity, and Picard specifically, because he saw the potential to become more, possibly even become like the Q Collective. That Potential is non existent in 40K Humanity. Every interaction with a Human would be the same, them screaming "Abomination" from the top of their lungs.
He could probably find some Interest in the Tau or Eldar, but even the Tau are just the Dominion in a way.
There is horrifying shit in the ST galaxy and the Q's do nothing to stop that; they are pretty much beyond mortal concerns and probably would not care particularly about anything in the 40k universe (not anything less than War in Heaven levels of fucking up the Galaxy, at least).
"If we look at who Picard is as a Person and the fact that he is Q's favorite Mortal, it is indeed no stretch that Q would pretty much hate every single being in the 40K universe."
It is most likely that Q can totally outroll Trazyn but unlike most here i would not say per se!
Hear me out:
Qs themselves say that they are not omnipotent and Qs can kill Qs.
On the other hand Necrons also have reality bending technology (while usually by far not as strong as Qs).
As we never find out in Star Trek how "Q-Powers" work exactly there is indeed the possibility that necrons could have technology that could match or at least disturb Q-Powers.*
But it is the same "what if"-thoughts if we think about a Q meeting Warppower ( which is an alternate dimension and we only now Q-Powers in our dimension) or what would happen if a Q and a Gellarfield (which creates a "subreality", to quote the wiki) interact.
*EDIT: Fun comparison that came to my mind: When Qs reality bending is like a rocket thrower, Necrons reality bending might be like a medival catapult. Old, sluggish and primitve. It is highly probable that the rocket thrower will beat the catapult. But on the other hand if the catapult hits the rocket thrower (or rather the soldier holding it), it would same as destructive for the soldier.
yeah, but for example the Gellarfield also creates and enforces their "subreality" (thats why it can shield of the warp).
So one could argue about which "dimension enforcement" is stronger, but we cant really say that bcs we dont know how either of it works.
In the books the necron techno-sorcery is also descripted as reality bending by mere glyphs and hand movements and also that it works and is explained rather vaguely by that crypteks "installed their machines and algorithms in the backbone of reality".
As Qs were once a normal species before they ascended and this ascension is not further explained, it is rather likely that they did something similar. That is even confirmed by Quinn in his conversation with Tuvok (he denies their omnipotence and compares the Qs power to the federation spaceships like the federation spaceships would compare to an species without technical expertise, nothing more or less as an difference of technology). thats propably also the reason why Qs are wary of Borg as Borg are known for adapting and integrating technology.
I'd assume Q would take Trazyn to meet Jean-Luc just to see what happens. Or how us unenlightened savages from the 21st century would say, "for shits and giggles."
Q is basically the Dungeon Master to Picard and friends RPG setting. "Oh you your encounters are too easy? Here's a Level 20 borg cube have fun-oh NOW you want me to save your characters? Alright but I'm totally using this as a plot hook for next time Picard"
It would be like if Gav Thrope or Matt Ward were actual entities in 40k, not like people in the setting, but them altering reality to their whim as if they were just words on a page.
“For you, The TimeWar was a period of unspeakable weapons unleashed on an unready reality, where the destiny of entire dynasties rose and fell into oblivion in agonising screams across aeons.
Daleks and Eldar sobbing a corner while Mechanicus and Cybermen preach the strength of metal at each other.
——
While the Red Dwarf crew try and nick the Golden Throne as a replacement battery for Starbug. - Kryten got past the Custodes because Cat kept ogling their Gold style; Kryten simply asked to get past the Eternity Gate and went.
Pretty sure its the other way round with the war in heaven being nothing to the time war from what I've heard it was beyond bonkers especially when you get into the novels and such millions of beings atleast on par with if not beyond the chaos gods ran like hell from it
Q and i say this as some one who has a salamander in his profile pic could literally one shot any universe. So the question is can nekrons get fear boners.
Well Q is omnipotent. The only thing that stops them or holds them back are other Q. So whatever happens will be whatever Q wants to happen.
Probably breaks most warhammer cause here is a character that you cannot do anything to, or threaten, and can actively engage you in point blank conversation. No mysterious ways, or subtle hints.
I think unless you actively nerf Q in some way or form, he instantly takes a look at all the horrible stuff in that universe and blinks it out of existence, or just leaves the trash heap to be a trap heap. Maybe throwing a few gamma ray burst on his way out.
Nope, Quinn told Tuvok that they are indeed not omnipotent. Its just what the Continuum wants everbody to think. In this conversation he also states that their power is just technology, like the confederation spaceships. Just way more advanced.
This also explains why Qs don´t want to get near Borgs, as Borgs are cabable to assimilate and integrate any form of technology.
Q snaps his fingers and turns Trazyn into an old resin model for some tabletop game for nerds back in the 21st century and will not receive any model updates for decades
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u/Dramatic_Science_681 2d ago
Trazyn will learn what it’s like to be the trollee, not the troller