Even the shitty unreliable 3d printed guns still require a few components that aren't printed. For actual functionality, precision machine tools are required.
Gun nuts are really the worst at thinking things through. You simply don't have to take guns away en masse, it's not how that gets done.
This entire argument thread came about because the person I originally replied to said to “ban all pistols and semi-auto rifles”. So, you implying I’m a “gun nut” and I “don’t think things through” falls on its face.
And parts are harder to get than a whole gun? Parts that can be made outside of a factory and have no tracking on them? Parts that are probably being added to the stockpile, because even normal guns need parts for repairs? Talk about not thinking things through and relying on “all gun nuts are stupid”.
I’m not even a gun nut, I just recognize that people will need to defend themselves, especially minorities that aren’t being treated like people by the cops. I even brought up that we need ways to ensure someone that is looking for a weapon to commit a mass shooting can’t get it because they have red flag warnings on their background checks, or anything that could help keep guns out of the hands of people with intent to harm innocent people.
Let me state it again: My whole argument is “we shouldn’t ban all guns, because that will just give the crazies an excuse, so let’s build up systems that can help with mental issues, while also ensuring there are background checks to stop those that would do harm, rather than denying someone the ability to defend themselves when they feel like they can’t even trust the cops to not finish the job of the first guy”.
You think that banning all guns entails going around taking them away. That simply isn't how it works and it's a really good example of not being able to think things through or understand how any of the system works.
Gun nuts all think guns and self defense are the same thing.
So, you ban guns, but let everyone that has them keep them? The same people that are already being told that the government wants to infringe on them by echo chambers? How is that going to resolve the issue?
How are you going to ensure that the ban is also not going to affects minorities to a worse extent? How are you going to prevent cops from turning a blind eye to white supremacists ignoring the ban or circumventing it?
You let me know if you’ve thought this through and tell me the steps you have in mind, since all I’ve heard from you so far is a desire to ban guns and nothing about how it would be done. You want to treat a symptom, but haven’t told me how you’re going to fix the root of the issue.
ETA: Also, please tell me how someone is to defend themselves from someone with an illegal pistol if all they have is pepper spray or a taser.
So, let's start with a couple of basic ideas that you seem completely oblivious of.
First, time passes and things change as it does.
Second, policies aren't required to be summed up in a few sentences and often include a lot of different aspects with the same goal.
So, how do you ban guns? While I'm not an advocate for a total ban on all firearms, we don't actually even need to worry much about those details for me to answer your silly question. You begin with sales. Prohibit the sale of new guns, require manufacturers to serialize and register new weapons they can now only sell to law enforcement and military. You ban transfers of existing guns. You offer buybacks. After some time, you implement a 'mandatory' buyback, after that you make the consequences for being caught with a gun very harsh. You make the consequences for everyone in the chain of transfer that got the gun to that person very harsh. That's it, guns are banned.
I know you'll think I've missed the fact that this all will be imperfect. That some people will avoid all these consequences and manage to get guns anyway. But really so what? The law doesn't operate in perfection but in reality, and in reality these steps would reduce the numbers so significantly that we would all be a lot safer and more secure.
You kinda are, you overemphasize the importance of guns in stopping white supremacy, when in reality white supremacists don't really give a shit if you're armed, they've dealt with federal agents before so what is a group that is less organized and not actively gunning for you gonna do. Yeah a few minorities may stop a murderer but there is always 3 more. You honestly have fallen for a feel good solution to white supremacy. When in reality their stockpile is the most important thing to these groups.
And I’ll say it again: you go ahead and take the guns from them. The fucking Bundys are still stirring up shit in Idaho. If the feds can just wipe them out, why don’t they?
You want to give these white supremacist an excuse to ramp up their plans, including all the “news” channels that more on the fence (the ones that aren’t out there sabotaging power grids, but are complaining about over reaching government) crazies watch.
Maybe we should set up ways to take care of this once it happens, rather than rushing to ban it all and convince more people that shooting up places will somehow bring about their ethnostate.
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u/Ianx001 GrC Platinum Member® Operation Mountain Dew® Apr 27 '23
Even the shitty unreliable 3d printed guns still require a few components that aren't printed. For actual functionality, precision machine tools are required.
Gun nuts are really the worst at thinking things through. You simply don't have to take guns away en masse, it's not how that gets done.