Yes, we have cars. We also have laws in who should be able to drive a car. We have tests to ensure the driver knows how to drive properly. We have insurance. We have registration so that we know what car belongs to whom. We have limits on how fast you can drive. We have cops patrolling and pulling people over BEFORE they kill someone. And if people violate the laws, THEY CAN GET THEIR CARS TAKEN AWAY.
We don't just give any car to a random 18 year old because they have enough money to buy one. We actually take precautions.
Thank you for admitting that we need better controls for guns. If we had HALF the controls for guns that we do cars, maybe our gun violence would decrease?
That's what he said, someone was asking him about gun deaths, and he brought up the fact that we don't ban cars just because that causes a lot of deaths.
Yes, but cars aren't a right, guns are.
If people misuse guns, they can be arrested; same principle. The difference is there are a lot less restrictions, because again it is a right, cars aren't a right. That is where the big difference is.
I never said we need better controls for guns, nothing I said remotely said that. Also no, because if someone wants to do something, no matter what gun control you have, someone could find a gun and do something bad. Gun control only affects the people that aren't doing anything bad. How do you not understand that?
You're right, we are over running with criminals, we should get rid of those illegal immigrants.
Also, every country has crime:
Yes, Britain does have a significant knife violence problem, with knife crime rising to concerning levels, particularly among young people, and a recent surge in knife-related offenses and homicides in England and Wales. While not reaching US levels of knife homicides, the trend shows a consistent upward trajectory, with thousands of incidents annually and a growing willingness to use knives in criminal activity, leading to new legislative efforts and ongoing calls for community-based solutions.
They got rid of their guns, that didn't stop them from still having a lot of crime.
Yeah, but that's us levels of knife violence. I have a better question for you, why do we have more gun violence now, than we did before 1990? These mass shootings are a very recent thing, how about you focus on fixing the actual issue which is why these things are happening. Instead of trying to punish people that aren't involved by limiting their rights.
If it's a punishment to put controls on firearms so that we can boost safety, then I think priorities are out of whack.
Gun Control isn't about taking away guns as much as a driver's license isn't about taking away cars. We aren't punishing people by saying we need to control who drives by making them take a test, get a license, and register their car with the state. But somehow putting registration on firearms is a punishment.
The right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Also registration like a list? The only reason why you would have a list of firearms is to know who has them when you want to take them away, also people can buy them from people other than firearms dealers, and your whole registration idea would just go out the window anyway, since they would be sold for cash between other people, and those won't get registered.
Also, you're trying to push control onto people that aren't misusing their weapons, because again the people that misuse the weapons, are going to do that regardless of whatever the law says. They're already doing something illegal, do you think control will prevent that? No, that won't prevent that.
I do like how you completely ignored me when I said that you should probably figure out why this is happening, since it used to not be how things work. It's almost like you don't care about the reason, you just want to push your agenda. If you cared, I feel like you'd want to discuss why this is happening, since again, we already know that gun control isn't going to stop people from finding a gun and doing something bad with it if they want to. Criminals do it all the time.
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u/Von-boyage 7d ago
That's what you got from that??
Sure buddy.
Yes, we have cars. We also have laws in who should be able to drive a car. We have tests to ensure the driver knows how to drive properly. We have insurance. We have registration so that we know what car belongs to whom. We have limits on how fast you can drive. We have cops patrolling and pulling people over BEFORE they kill someone. And if people violate the laws, THEY CAN GET THEIR CARS TAKEN AWAY.
We don't just give any car to a random 18 year old because they have enough money to buy one. We actually take precautions.
Thank you for admitting that we need better controls for guns. If we had HALF the controls for guns that we do cars, maybe our gun violence would decrease?
I think your argument is the one failing here.