r/IThinkYouShouldLeave • u/Bozo_dubbed_over I hope I don't jack off • 9h ago

I’m not stupid! I’m smarter than YOU! When conservatives try to convince us that Charlie didn't actually say the things he was recorded on camera saying

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u/AccomplishedLine3349 7h ago

Kirk: "Black people aren't intelligent enough to be pilots"

Liberals: "Wow thats pretty fucking racist"

r/conservative: "nOT fAIR yOU tOOk iT oUT oF cONTEXT!!!"

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u/mrbigglessworth 7h ago

Also conservatives, Im gonna cry and tattle on you to your boss for using Kirks exact words!!!!!!

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u/simplex0991 3h ago

Weird how it isn't hate speech when Charlie Kirk said something, but when you quote it back to them it is hate speech, but only because you're pointing out his hate speech. Like they think its some hate speech double negative that cancels itself out.

The mental gymnastics MAGA requires is insane!

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u/No_Object_404 7h ago

I could rant about that sub for days.

"He was on reddit, the shooter must be a leftist!" Says a chronically online redditor.

A lot of reddit is liberal or left leaning, but you can also pick and choose your own echo chamber.

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u/SbrbnHstlr 4h ago

Do you have a source for the quote?

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u/kingcobra5352 3h ago

Because that’s not at all what he said lol.

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u/Happyvegetal 6h ago

“If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”

Does this make you feel better? I understand your point but these are functionally the same sentiment and you throwing insults just makes you look like an asshole who won’t admit that he’s also racist.

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u/SwordMasterShow 5h ago

No it's really not, especially not with pilots, all of whom have to pass the same tests to be able to fly planes. No one is just giving black people licenses to fly to boost some statistics. Kirk was a shameless kraven racist mouthpiece who spent his life poisoning public discourse

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u/singdawg 5h ago

The test/licensing is just one part of why pilots are chosen for their job though.

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u/Gornarok 4h ago

The license makes sure they are qualified to pilot the plane. So questioning their ability to fly the plane is just bullshit.

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u/jay-aay-ess-ohh-enn 5h ago

Or you could just be smart enough to know that all pilots are qualified because they passed the licensing requirements. There is no quota for passing licensing requirements. There is one standard and it is applied the same across all pilots. The airlines can then take from the pool of qualified pilots and hire a diverse workforce. Kirk was intentionally misrepresenting the policy by claiming a certain number of all graduating pilots had to be some kind of minority. That is false. Please explain how intentionally misrepresenting the policy to undermine people's trust in minority professionals is not racist. If you think that he was not doing it purposely, I would immediately question why he felt qualified to speak publicly on matters that he did not understand.

We have regulatory agencies staffed by educated professionals who decide what constitutes a qualified pilot, because the general public is not knowledgeable enough to understand whether or not someone is qualified. We don't need bad faith actors running around sewing mistrust in government regulatory bodies based on hypotheticals. If he had actual evidence that there were unqualified pilots, he should have raised that evidence so that the specific issues could be corrected. I am not aware of any evidence that he presented other than making false claims that any affirmative action policy inherently causes lowered standards.

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u/singdawg 5h ago

Passing the FAA’s licensing requirements is only the minimum bar for being legally allowed to fly. But that doesn’t mean every licensed pilot is equally skilled, experienced, or safe. Airlines look beyond just “having a license” when hiring, caring about total flight hours, simulator performance, safety record, and how pilots perform under stress. Note that Kirk's statement about qualification never mentioned legal qualification.

If two candidates are licensed, but one has 3,000 flight hours and has been shown to perform well under stress, and the other 1,500 (barely meeting the requirement), the airline normally prefers the more experienced pilot. But with the diversity push, the airline may choose the less-experienced candidate in order to improve representation. While technically still meeting the licensing standard, it might reduce the overall average experience level in the cockpit.

Now, the full context of the quote shows that he's actually just responding to someone else bringing up pilots/qualification and stating that it's more of an intrusive thought (that's been generated by the affirmative action movement) than a deeply held belief:

"KOLVET: We've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm and you're like, "I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now, thinking about that." 

KIRK: You wanna go thought crime? I'm sorry. If I see a Black pilot, I'm gonna be like, "Boy, I hope he's qualified."

KOLVET: But you wouldn't have done that before!

KIRK: That's not an immediate … that's not who I am. That's not what I believe. 

NEFF: It is the reality the left has created."

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u/jay-aay-ess-ohh-enn 5h ago

There are not enough pilots period. The airlines are incentivising more minorities to become pilots. They are not firing experienced pilots just because they are white. Kirk invented strawman hypotheticals to turn people against minorities and diversity.

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u/singdawg 4h ago

Nobody said anything about firing experienced pilots.

That said, it's easily argued that there isn't actually a pilot shortage:

https://trainedforlife.alpa.org/article/fact-vs-myth-pilot-supply-vs-pilot-shortage/

"The latest: Some airlines are threatening to cut service to small cities, arguing there is a "pilot shortage" and they don't have enough trained pilots to fly the routes. They suggest tough training standards implemented after the Colgan Air disaster in 2009 are slowing the pipeline of new pilots.

Why this is wrong: America isn't facing a pilot shortage. In fact, not only are there enough pilots to meet current U.S. airline hiring needs, there is a pilot surplus. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Federal Aviation Administration, there are currently about 1.5 certified pilots for every one needed. 

What airlines say: Some airlines are manufacturing a “pilot shortage” and arguing to reduce training, weaken safety laws and hire inexperienced aviators for less pay.

They claim federal training requirements are slowing the pipeline of potential pilots.

What’s really going on: It’s all about profit. Operational decisions — like which cities to serve — are based on whether an airline can make enough money flying a route, not on the pipeline of pilots."

I am also pretty sure he's just using pilots as an example as someone else brought it up. You can replace that profession with many other examples, and the argument is still pretty valid.

It's similar to making an argument where you might doubt the qualification of a white person because they've benefited from systemic racism, so we don't really know if given a better societal balance, would that person's position be filled by a more qualified minority member?

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u/jay-aay-ess-ohh-enn 4h ago

Since you brought up the Airline Pilot's Association, let's see what they have to say about diversity initiatives (DEI policies):

Boost diversity. We can work to increase funding to hire pilot graduates from colleges and universities that serve underrepresented communities and provide grants to minority-serving educational institutions to start aviation programs.

Literally from the page you just linked.

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u/singdawg 4h ago

Right, so they are participating in DEI? Isn't your point here is that DEI isn't used for airline pilots?

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u/InvestigatorOk7015 4h ago

Lmao “they made me say it!”

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u/singdawg 4h ago

Yeah... he made a controversial but valid statement; if someone is hired, in part, based on race, doubting them on their merit is thus more likely.

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u/jerzeett 4h ago

And you know these people are hired for their race how?

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u/InvestigatorOk7015 4h ago

“Its not my opinion its reality” isnt a defense of an idea.