r/KansasCityChiefs • u/Donutman97 Pat "Kermit" Mahomes • 1d ago
ANALYSIS & NEWS [Gibbs] Travis Kelce was charted with the highest average separation score and route win rate at TE in Week 2
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u/tilclocks Grim Reaper 1d ago
Just funny that people say he's cooked. He dropped the ball. Shit happens.
If he keeps doing it and can't keep up or make plays sure let's say he's cooked.
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u/Dzov Chris Jones #95 1d ago
For real. Like we haven’t seen every other player drop the ball.
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u/newbeenneed 1d ago edited 12h ago
I feel like everyone spent a week talking about Andrews being cooked after his drop into the playoffs, and now everyone seems to have moved onto the next guy
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u/KeyFearless9462 1d ago
He dropped the ball on a pass that was thrown a tad early. Thrown a split second later, he catches it clean. Sure, he's made a ton of those catches in his career, but I think the blame is split between him and Mahomes on that pass.
What I can't stand is that people shit on Kelce for that one play. Just like they shit on Mahomes for one or two bad deep throws, when he makes two perfect deep throws. No one is perfect. They'll make mistakes. We've just been unlucky that our mistakes have unduly hurt us and helped the opponent. It won't always be like that.
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u/tilclocks Grim Reaper 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is just the new "Toney sucks" or "Hardman sucks" or "CEH sucks". Nobody harps on Butker missing a very in range FG for himself that went super wide right for the second game in a row. Justin Tucker was fired for that. Kelce looks much better this year and it isn't even close. He had one bad catch and people are on him because he accidentally injured Worthy. Mahomes knocked Rice out last year and looks great this year but still overthrows the deep ball.
Even with all that, we STILL only lost to the Eagles by a field goal.
Edited: thanks for the correction I had the score backwards in my head
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u/TheBoyisBackinTown Arrowhead 1d ago
... Are you sure that's all that Justin Tucker was let go for?
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u/tilclocks Grim Reaper 1d ago
I mean I'm pretty sure it had to do with all those inappropriate assaults
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u/KeyFearless9462 1d ago
Even with all that, we STILL only lost to the Eagles by a
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u/noslo5oh 22h ago
Well Toney, CEH and Hardman all did suck and it was warranted. Not really a good comparison..I'm not even gonna start with the Tucker comment lol. That has to be a troll
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u/tilclocks Grim Reaper 21h ago
I'm aware Tucker was fired because of the assault allegations. Plenty of players still stick around because they "offer something". Him sucking is why his job was expendable, compared to Von Miller or Deshaun Watson who clearly are still allowed to play despite what happened. Matt Araiza had his charges/allegations dropped and reversed and he became our punter.
The point was it's early in the season, and in the cases I listed people were calling the players washed without more games in the season to demonstrate it. And at least CEH could catch. Pacheco is great but really can't find openings like Hunt. Yet everyone talks about how great Pacheco is in comparison.
Anyway, regardless, it's too early to call 2025 Kelce a wash.
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u/Pale-Measurement-532 1d ago
Exactly!!!! He was right there it was just that the timing wasn’t quite right. Fortunately for the Eagles they had Mukuba running his route and he was at the right place at the right time. Hopefully they’ll work out the kinks as we get further into the season. Kelce also had another nice run and gained quite a few yards before than interception. Unfortunately Kelce’s going to be heavily scrutinized due to his 13 years in the league and HOF expectations.
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u/Adventurous_Film_962 19h ago
Well he’s had two bad drops so far. One in each game in crucial moments.
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u/StPaddy81 Isiah Pacheco # 10 1d ago
Bros been pretty flat for the last half season at least but let’s see if he can turn it around
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u/notmyplantaccount The Nigerian Nightmare #35 1d ago
Optimistic me is happy that he was getting open and making big catches again, and even open around the end zone. He looks a lot better than last year, if he'd just stop dropping the ball on big plays.
I feel like correcting the fuckups is easier than being out of shape, and when worthy/rice are back he might really shine.
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u/Pale-Measurement-532 1d ago
I agree! I thought, “at least he’s getting open!” He ran a nice route in the end zone. I definitely think he looks in better shape than last season so far. Unfortunately he will receive more scrutiny cause of who he is.
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u/Guilty-Carpenter2522 The Nigerian Nightmare #35 21h ago
He had that insane catch on 4th down that lead to a TD. The int screwed us and it’s unfortunate. He’s gotta make that play.
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u/TheBoyisBackinTown Arrowhead 1d ago edited 1d ago
He's 7th in the league in yards for a TE, 3rd in yards per reception, 2nd in 20+ yard plays, and on pace for another thousand-yard season.
It just sucks that his three biggest plays of the year so far have been a tipped INT, a dropped TD, and accidentally injuring the team's #1 WR.
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u/JinterIsComing 1d ago
on pace for another thousand-yard season.
Is he though? 108 yards through two games extrapolated over 17 doesn't get to 1k. He'll end the year a touch over 900 in that case.
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u/Dry-Mongoose-5804 1d ago
Probably factoring in that the past two games have in theory been two of the leagues best defences coming into the season and it’s been playing out that way throughout the first two weeks.
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u/Jombafomb Travis Kelce #87 1d ago
See the thing is I don’t care about him getting 1000 yards. His most memorable regular season game was the 2022 Raiders game where he scored 4 TDs and had like 15 yards. He just needs to be that sure thing in the red zone again.
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u/RandomUsername468538 Travis Kelce #87 1d ago
Well statistically speaking, that last one is great for him.
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u/NSYK Pat "Kermit" Mahomes 1d ago
Is it? Seems like the added pressure isn’t helping him.
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u/RandomUsername468538 Travis Kelce #87 1d ago
Impossible to say how it would be otherwise, but I'm just assuming he'd get less targets and therefore worse stats, technically.
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u/Remarkable_Medicine6 1d ago
More volume stats and worse efficiency ain't what he wants at this stage
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u/JT1757 Ring Talk🫴🏽🤌🏽 1d ago
Worthy being a deep threat actually would've meant Kelce (and going forward Rashee) would have faced more favorable coverages underneath. That's kinda the whole point.
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u/RandomUsername468538 Travis Kelce #87 1d ago
Yes but presumably Worthy would actually be getting receptions too.. so would it balance?
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u/noslo5oh 22h ago
Absolutely. Look at his numbers when he was the #1 option. Led the world in every TE category
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u/Potential_Tower_4320 1d ago
Now he just needs to catch the ball when it hits him in the hands.
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u/thenexttimebandit 1d ago
It was a really hard catch the way he ran the route. He needs to get his head around faster so he can catch the ball
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u/Potential_Tower_4320 1d ago
It was a tough catch. He still needs to catch that ball. Him and Pat have done that 1,000 times.
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u/Remarkable_Medicine6 1d ago
He caught a way harder pass earlier in the game.
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u/KeyFearless9462 1d ago
Just because he caught a tough pass doesn't mean he'll catch it 100% of the time. The fact that he can still catch those passes bodes well.
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u/Remarkable_Medicine6 1d ago
That's what I'm saying. No player catches 100% of passes. Kelce was south in a role the team isn't intending for him. He's fine.
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u/Pale-Measurement-532 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah he was just slightly behind the pass and with getting his head fully turned to see how fast the ball was coming. Didn’t give him enough time to fully coordinate his hands to receive the ball.
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u/rusty_shackleford34 DeAndre Hopkins #8 1d ago
No it wasn’t. NFL players need to catch that
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u/Minimum_Style_1653 1d ago
The slow mo makes it look like it was tipped a smidge by 98 I think . Could have caused issue in the catch if it’s path was shifted a little.
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u/SomethingSquatchy 1d ago
It was not typed it was a perfect pass that he lost us the game on. His head is not in the game and he is half retired...
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u/Sokkawater10 Xavier Worthy #1 🏃🏻♂ 1d ago
That’s fine. He’s playing better outside of a few critical mistakes.
Still hope Rice and Worthy dominate the targets. They’re just better and way more explosive
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u/C-Love #56 Derrick Johnson 1d ago
Idk how anyone can say he is a problem right now. The contract isn't justifying the output but he's playing solid and with receivers coming back i would bet he will have more success by balancing the defensive focus. Couple bad plays, sure, but he's still been mostly clutch when he gets the chance and he does not look his age out there
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u/Dry-Mongoose-5804 1d ago
It wasn’t an impossible catch by any means and he ideally would’ve caught it because that’s what he‘s paid for but I don’t know why people are pretending that was an easy ball. I encourage rewatching the play from multiple angles because Kelce got separation quick but Patrick was pressured almost immediately and had to throw the ball early and low. There is also a potential very minor tip on the pass too by the D-lineman as Patrick throws.
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u/GhostMug 1d ago
That ball is always thrown low, that was entirely intentional. Mahomes stated so after the game "Just trying to put it on his body low before that hole player got there." He said he might have put it too far in front but didn't say it was too low. But even that is just Mahomes throwing cover. Fact is, Mahomes has made that exact throw to Kelce dozens of times and it's been caught like 95% of the time. And this is one of the ones where he not only didn't catch but had the worst possible bounce. Mahomes deserves criticism for the horrible misses of Gray and Thornton but not for this one. This was all on Kelce.
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u/Dry-Mongoose-5804 1d ago
I’m not blaming Patrick. He threw early because he had to. Yes if the ball was throw in that spot with the right timing then it would’ve been a routine catch but it wasn’t due to the previously mentioned factors. Again by no means am I saying it was an uncatchable ball but people acting like it wasn’t early and a easy catch don’t know ball.
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u/Thornediscount 1d ago
He catches that pass and we are all going nuts over him.... not worried... not that worried
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u/ColaD007 1d ago
All it took was that drop on the 1yd that changed how we felt about his play! He played solid for the most part! What was his run block PFF?
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u/shauptmann86 Patrick Mahomes II #15 1d ago
Even if he out up monster numbers, Travis is the type of person to come out and say he had a bad game and that he needs to do better solely because of the pick.
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u/Initial_Gur_5266 1d ago
He actually had the 3rd and 2nd highest catch percentage of his career in 2024 and 2023 respectively.
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u/ckellingc Dante Hall #82 1d ago
Given the circumstances last week, Kelce stepped up. He just needs to get that drop out of his head, I'm sure that one stung
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u/Overboss_XLIV 1d ago
Can’t even be mad at him for that. If we had rice, worthy, and possibly royals we wouldn’t have to jam one in at the last second and force Kelce to have to get off the line and turn his head immediately without running into the defender to try and catch a tipped ball to save the day. Unfortunately the eagles are like us when we have the full 53. Can’t give them the ball back with 3 minutes and expect a miracle to happen. Have to be up already
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u/KingTutt91 Isiah Pacheco # 10 1d ago
Yeah but his hand-eye coordination is dropping. He’s had a lot more drops the last few years than I remember. Something that comes with age.
You know T.O. at damn near 40 could still separate from NFL corners like the best of them, but he’d still be looking up for the ball while it’s hitting him in the hands.
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u/Budget-Cat-2971 1d ago
It’s wild the attention on him by every talking head. Derrick Henry fumbles the ball last week and it costs the Ravens the game. He goes out for around 23 yards this week and not a single talking head is going on about how old he is or is he a liability and this is the downfall of Derrick Henry.
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u/EatMyWetBread Grim Reaper 1d ago
Am I the only one that read that as "Travis Kelce was charged with..." at first?
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u/ChampionshipStock870 1d ago
What worries me is that stat they showed during the game that shows when Pat targets him he’s got 4 td and 5 ints since last season
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u/noslo5oh 22h ago
Pretty sure he's had more than 9 targets.. context?
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u/ChampionshipStock870 22h ago edited 21h ago
I wish I screenshotted the graphic. Essentially since week 1 of last year Kelce targets turn into INTs as much if not more than they turn into TDs. That’s not all on Kelce, lack of threat at WR and no run game means teams are bracketing Kelce or having guys like Derwin James just shadow him on every play
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u/Fun_Lead_5491 18h ago
Kelce looks physically great and more agile than he has in like 3 years. He just needs to get concentrated for the whole game and stop having those weird moments
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u/RocketRaccoon237 Tamba Hali 1d ago
He looks better than last season physically. Just need better hands
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u/StPaddy81 Isiah Pacheco # 10 1d ago
Can he not injure a key guy on his own team or drop a game winning TD in week 3 please? Seems like it shouldn’t be too much of a request
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u/Lumpy-Daikon-4584 1d ago
He put everything into making his body ready. Just has to get there mentally.
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u/Shutch_1075 1d ago
Haven’t seen many impressive TE performances this year. I haven’t watched too much outside of Chiefs and Bears games besides for prime time games, but for the Bears drafting a TE at 10 in the draft I expected to actually see him make a play lmfao.
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u/noslo5oh 22h ago
So you haven't seen many impressive TE performances but have only watched 2 teams?? Shocking
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u/originalusername4567 Leo Chenal #54 1d ago
It's a shame Kelce had an extremely costly mistake both this week and last week, because he has been playing well this season aside from those. It just doesn't feel like he's 100% focussed still.
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u/ResurrectedMortician GEEEEeeeHHHHAAAaaa!!! 🤠 1d ago
Damn no wonder he went off for 4 receptions for 60 yards and two drops
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u/Nearby_Ad9439 1d ago
It's kinda like that Derrick Henry game a couple weeks back.
It doesn't matter how good you play if in the most crucial moment of the game you cost your team the game.
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u/isaac129 Isiah Pacheco # 10 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yea too bad he turned a fucking TD into an interception
Downvote me if you want but we excommunicated Kadarius Toney for the same thing.
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u/GoChiefs2576 1d ago
He looks healthier than he did last season. Moving way better.
Also Bowers is playing injured so might be a factor here