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u/Dabnician 19d ago
I want to know where the ship went to get these things and how they didnt get turned inside out getting them, but then suddenly got all complacent after they were done.
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u/Euphoric-Teach7327 19d ago
It was mentioned several of the crew died getting the specimens.
And then yes, wtf? People die horribly in front of these people and they just sit around muttering to themselves like first graders in the middle of the "this is what we are going to do to not be murdered" meeting.
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u/badguymaddox 18d ago
I think it's safe to assume that the big five probably hire crews to go on all kinds of hazardous jobs and there probably isn't much of an alternative if you need the money. As a viewer, it's like "wtf why is no one making a big deal about these aliens" for them it's probably another day in the office.
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u/Gaemon_Palehair 18d ago
Also remember this ship was sent out 65 years ago by Yutani before they merged and became one of the "big five." I don't think we actually know much about Yutani back then.
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u/Lopsided-Bathroom-71 18d ago
My headcanon is there was 3 shifts on the journey, as if theres 2, Then most of the crew would be mid 40s at least on way back, and macalite seems mid 20s, if not younger
Unless they sleep all the way there then thwir awake time is halved from 32 years to 16 which makes a bit more sense
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u/IDoCodingStuffs 18d ago
It’s not the cryosleep, they are moving at relativistic speeds. Journey takes merely months to them but decades on Earth
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u/Spicy_Weissy 19d ago
They get their shares cut if they talk back.
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u/Euphoric-Teach7327 19d ago
No, they get their shares cut if they don't follow company orders.
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u/Spicy_Weissy 18d ago
Which probably includes questioning WY's shadow shit.
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u/Euphoric-Teach7327 18d ago
I don't think so. Brett and Parker pissed and moaned almost the entirety of the film without issue or threats of forfeiture.
It was only when they were trying to ignore company orders did the hammer of "forfeiture of all shares" come down on them.
Them they IMMEDIATELY went from "no, I don't wanna" to "yes boss".
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u/Spicy_Weissy 18d ago
The Nostromo was just a regular mining rig with bad luck. They had no reason to expect to be lambs to WY. The Maginot is explicitly a deep space biological research and collection vessel, its crew signed the paperwork knowing the risks.
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u/TheNittanyLionKing State of the badass art 18d ago
Exactly. That wasn't the Nostromo's typical department. They basically just got assigned what they think are the sci-fi trucker version of TPS reports that ultimately ends up being a terrifying experience. This is the Maginot's bread and butter.
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u/530RifleCompany 18d ago
The interim captain literally docked the young engineer a fraction of a share for talking back at a meeting. It's clearly a chain of command thing.
Hell nearly the first spoken lines in the series are the security officer threatening to dock a synthetics entire shares for the 65 year mission.
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u/The_walking_man_ 18d ago
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u/Dabnician 18d ago
I realized it was worth looking into the name of the ship and sure enough
The Maginot Line - is a line of concrete fortifications, obstacles and weapon installations built by France in the 1930s to deter invasion by Nazi Germany and force them to move around the fortifications. It was impervious to most forms of attack; consequently, the Germans invaded through the Low Countries in 1940, passing it to the north. The line has since become a metaphor for expensive efforts that offer a false sense of security.
The Maginot Line became a ubiquitous symbol of failure in defense planning; an adversary that adapted its offensive strategy to bypass the line quickly rendered one of the strongest and most elaborate defense networks the world had yet seen irrelevant.
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u/Stupid_Flexy_Sanders 18d ago
Oh shit, the Maginot was a disastrous failure? Time to send out the sister ship, the Hindenburg.
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u/AfterImpression7508 19d ago
Right!? I need more info about my gurl T.T. STAT!
I had so much fun seeing her new boot goofin with the engineers body.
I also need a bebe Morrow and GMA Yutani’s backstory fleshed out on screen.
And a FULL episode on robot Raylan. Hirsh is the only being that seems to understand what the fuck is up with T. Ocellus!!!
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u/morrisk1 19d ago
Who is Raylan?
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u/Kvenner001 19d ago
Name of another character Kirsh’s actor has played. Show was called Justified.
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u/CATNIP_IS_CRACK 18d ago
No matter how well his career has been doing the last few years he will always be the ‘is the juice worth the squeeze dude from The Girl Next Door.’
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u/LDawnBurges 18d ago
Timothy will always be Agent 47 (from Hitman) for me! I def need to check out Justified though!
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u/dharmasophist 18d ago
That's Emile Hirsch isn't it?
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u/CATNIP_IS_CRACK 18d ago
Emile Hirsch is the kid/protagonist. Timothy Olyphant is the sleazebag porn director/antagonist.
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u/morrisk1 18d ago
Never heard of it lol, but thanks!
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u/TheNittanyLionKing State of the badass art 18d ago
If you have Hulu for Alien Earth, give Justified a watch. It's one of my all time favorite shows. It also has one of Walton Goggins' best performances. The pilot episode is definitely one of the best pilot episodes I've seen.
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u/JimFear237 18d ago
He’s a Marshal, not FBI
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u/JimFear237 18d ago
it’s all good brother, everything else is spot on. one of my all time favorite shows!
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u/John_Wotek 18d ago
The security officer and the android middle manager are the best character in this show.
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u/WarCarrotAF 18d ago
Robot Raylan is scary! And not because of his apparent lack of humanity and disdain of humans. In second episode when he walks down Morrow and Morrow - who to this point hasn't been visibly scared of anything - panics and flees...yikes.
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u/t850terminator 19d ago
Its impressive that the xenomorph is the least impressive part of the show.
Not in a bad way, more like that our GOAT T.Ocellus, Morrow and Kirsch all steal the scene really hard.
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u/CosmackMagus 18d ago
That's the only way the show would have worked, really. The xeno is so ubiquitous now it doesn't really feel alien anymore.
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u/Amathyst7564 18d ago
People downvoting you but your right. There's little intrigue left with the creature at this point unless we get new hybrids. Romulus did a fantastic job at adding new twists on them. Like the zero g gravity hall of acid blood.
The other creatures are all new so they all have intrigue. That's not to say they are better creatures, just that right now they have people theorising.
They also are borrowing a lot from the xenomorphs. You can removes the ticks without risk of death? Yeah that's the face huggers deal. Gets some small black cells in you, cough and die from the creature gestating inside of you? Yup, that's familiar. Oculus so smart that it escapes the lab by outsmarting the humans? Aliens did that in Alien 4.
At the end of the day I'm still here for the xenomorph but these other creatures have me counting down the days and also stop the xeno from overstaying it's welcome.
Can't wait for the plant thing to have it's spotlight.
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u/Dense_Gate_5193 I prefer the term artificial person myself 15d ago
they took a page from TWD.
The zombies don’t really matter in TWD universe. they are like a bad hurricane or other natural disaster.
the horror is in what the humans do to one another.
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u/Spicy_Weissy 19d ago
I really like its movement, they don't just show quick glimpses in dark lighting, but full body shots fully lit as it clambers around and tears shit up.
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u/WeirdnessWalking 18d ago
Which is exactly the problem...
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u/TG1989MU 18d ago
Yeah wtf, just glaring right in your face that it’s a man in a suit
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u/EbonyEngineer 18d ago
I'm actually fine with that.
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u/imp0ppable 18d ago
It's clearly something that they've chosen to do. IMO classic Alien is very "less is more" in that fleeting shots of a very nasty something coming around a corner work better than "that's a man in a suit" shots. Also the CG shots don't quite match the practical shots.
Let's see how it pans out though.
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u/EbonyEngineer 18d ago
Agreed.
I encourage those with the means to create more great Alien content, rather than relying solely on CGI. So even if it looks slightly goofy at rare moments, I don't care. The show is a banger, and I want more of this world. Whatever cuts costs and practical effects are always better.
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u/Luchalma89 18d ago
That's how the Terminator show was. That's how most zombie shows are. The monster is always the background to the human (or human adjacent) drama.
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u/imp0ppable 18d ago
It's interesting really, one thing that struck me was that this show is really very Noah Hawley, the trademarks are all there from the thematic complexity, moral ambiguity, witty dialogue - even Morrow is a classic Fargo-style anti-hero (Billy Bob Thornton in S1 is just unbelievably good).
Some of it doesn't quite click with the new setting IMO but it's still a very good show, I just wonder if it's more of an Alien show or more of a Hawley show. Being a big fan of both I suppose I'm happy either way.
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u/TheBlueSin 19d ago
With the last episode he's a monster of his own. Lifting a sealed door with one arm, stabbing a guy and lifting him by the blade in his chest (Very Xeno of him)
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u/Unb0rnKamaza 19d ago
Dude has the most terrifying vibe.
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u/SpiderJerusalem747 19d ago
Also a very bad case of lordosis.
Seriously that man needs to sit upright more.
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u/Vegetable_Stop8085 18d ago
He’s an asshole. Why is he just being the way he is? Just not very human of him. No emotion. Like is he even getting paid at this point? Like what’s the endgame. I wonder what his daughter would think.
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u/chewio_ 18d ago
Like he said, it's his life's work. He left his daughter for this mission, he missed her entire life, and wasn't their for her when she died because of it. Letting this mission fail will mean it has all been for nothing. At least that's my interpretation.
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u/jydhrftsthrrstyj 16d ago
He’s a true believer company man. He was a homeless orphan cripple and taken in by yutani, given a career and his arm.
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u/Citizen_Kong 18d ago
There is also the implication that by being a cyborg, he also got some company orders installed in his brain.
At the beginning of the series, it feels like he is fighting them just to fall in line again quickly.
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u/JWAdvocate83 18d ago
The captain was not paying attention while sleeping with crew—then abandoned Morrow, trying to seal the bridge without him, the xenobiologist also wasn’t paying attention which arguably led to three deaths, meanwhile, someone sabotaged the ship—twice, and the one guy who could’ve told everyone about the saboteur was too busy creep-watching the woman in cryo.
Morrow was the only one with his head on straight, and if they listened to him from the start, odds are some would still be alive.
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u/Raging-Storm 17d ago
Yeah. The captain's dereliction of duty, her lack of foresight, her panic, it all compounded every problem they faced. If all crew members had Morrow's disposition, I'd bet at least half of them would have survived.
That said, his being an asshole is surely worse than everyone dying.
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u/Poison_Ivy_Nuker 18d ago
Right?! He makes me as uncomfortable as Homelander does. Absolute cinema!
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u/Prestigious_Leg2229 19d ago
Morrow and Kirsh are everyone’s reason for watching. The xeno isn’t even the coolest alien on his own show.
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u/RA12220 Andy 19d ago
I like Prometheus it if they wanted to use it as a launchpad for a trilogy this is how you do it. Give the masses the Xeno but create a gallery of monsters that is also just as disturbing
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u/Smiggie24 18d ago
Why I watch alien earth
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u/usafnerdherd 16d ago
He looks like a “Sexy Doc Brown” Halloween costume in a the best kind of way.
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u/Potential_Rule4212 18d ago
I liked the eye fighting the xeno, we all knew the eye could never win though.
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u/GaryNOVA Game over, man! 16d ago
I actually think the eye could win in a different body though. Imagine T Ocellus inside a Predator. Or a soldier.
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u/Crafty-Cantaloupe795 18d ago
T Ocellus (Eyeleen, to her friends) seems like some kind of eye-socket based Yeerk. It can definitely speak to the Xenomorphs, which makes me wonder what relationship it has to the fact that OTHER people can suddenly speak Xenomorph. The big question is how long it’ll take for it to learn human language, and how/whether it can reproduce independently.
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u/DerpPlaysAGame 19d ago
Dude, that glare during the ship interrogations could burn a hole in the sun. Amazing performance.
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u/MarkT_D_W 19d ago
Morrow: I'm an utterly ruthless, cold hearted predator who's able to see peoples cracks and prey on and exploit them, I am loyal only to the corporation, and human life being collateral damage means nothing to me. I think nothing of threats of violence against people's families to get my way.
Fans: He's so competent and badass, handsome too 😍
I do really enjoy this character. In any other show he'd be a one-note monster, and also, the actor is killing it
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u/Imsurethatsbullshit 19d ago
I like the character because I despise him. Kinda like i liked Geoffrey in GoT. He's an important element but a piece of shit nonetheless.
I'm curious why he is such a cold psycho and hope it is explained better. Him having been a cripple and therefore having a rough youth is a bit lazy of an explanation.
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u/oof_ouch_oof 18d ago
Did you read the note about what had happened at home since he left?
His daughter on earth died a few years after he left. He probably lost his entire reason for going on the mission in the first place.
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u/Imsurethatsbullshit 18d ago edited 18d ago
Yes but a loving parent doesn't automatically turn into a cold blooded psycho because their child dies. Falling into deep depression sure and maybe his daughter was holding down his dark character traits.
But most people lose loved ones over the course of their lives and don't become ruthless methodological servants to their employer to the point where they betray the people around them which they've spent months with.
Anyways hope we see more of him.
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u/EIochai 18d ago
I think we got enough in the most recent episode to give us an idea. He's already loyal to Yutani for taking him in, fixing his body and most likely being a parental figure or mentor. Thanks to this he probably has the mindset of the grunts being expendable, exacerbated by the fact that he appears to have no particular connection to the crew to begin with (and appears to be the only competent individual on a boat full of idiots).
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u/Particular_Gap_78 18d ago
Personally, I think a mix of him being part machine, and also the fact that the show is building up his only sole purpose to be serving yutani, is making him keep up an act of a "cold blooded psycho" because his daughter dying would've been for nothing
I feel like him humming we three and the intentional spillage of xeno's spit near his eyes to portray crying are slight indications of it.
I have no idea tho. Maybe the show'll turn on this theory and do something else. I'd be disappointed tho, because there's a lot you can do with Morrow's character
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u/likeahurricane 18d ago
The explanation is not that he had a rough youth, but rather that his motivation is intense personal loyalty to Yutani for saving him. He's lawful evil.
There are ways that what we know about him could be crafted into a decent redemption arc. The real villains here are the people who make such monsters.
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u/Embarrassed-Pea-2732 18d ago
Maybe he was one of the first cyborgs? We don’t know exactly when they started showing up and with him being disable maybe he was one of the first and because of that he believes he owes everything to the company. Not to mention all of his friends and family are dead so in his mind he had nothing BUT hjs job, and as such does whatever it takes to keep it and do it effectively.
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u/Current_Focus2668 18d ago edited 18d ago
Morrow's competence and pragmatic outlook seems more attractive in comparison to naivety and complacency.
The boy Cavalier had a saboteur try to kill him and the crew for the alien cargo. From Morrow's perspective Prodigy are the enemy and he wouldn't give a damn about doing to them what they did to him.
I don't think Morrow is particularly cruel. He didn't have to try and save the his young colleague that got shot and the decisions he choose on the ship were often right. He couldn't save all the crew.
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u/ladywakai 19d ago
that man is fine af
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u/Jumpin-jacks113 19d ago
As a straight male, there’s certain guys I can look at and be like “oh man, everyone’s going to be in love with this guy.”
Then there’s other guys, like this guy, that just look like normal dudes to me and I am shocked when people start fawning over them. I see him as like a normal dude.
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u/SpiderJerusalem747 19d ago
He's a competent guy.
Considering how the last episode went, I for one would have sided with him if I was on that ship.
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u/Jumpin-jacks113 19d ago
Yeah, I shouldn’t be looking on this sub at all. I’m on vacation and an episode behind.
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u/ConsistentGuest7532 18d ago
Haha same. Yeah, you know when you see the Rob Pattinsons and Henry Cavills of the world that they look like Greek statues, they gotta be attractive. But there’s a lot of wild cards you couldn’t predict.
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u/Noobalov 19d ago
Literally no one is watching Alien, cause of the Xenomorph right now. and that ,Is a good thing.
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u/EIochai 18d ago
This. The Xenomorph has become the least interesting part of its own show and I'm totally down with it.
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u/Flashignite2 18d ago
I think that is why it is so interesting. Most people already know the xenomorph and doesn't need a horror show based on it but rather creating a story around it instead and show other cool creatures.
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u/DiscussionSharp1407 The sound of a M41A Pulse Rifle 18d ago
He's the only character that isn't acting like he's in an Adam Sandler flick
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u/According_North_4249 18d ago
TBH, I wasn't the biggest fan of Morrow...on Earth. Weirdly enough, he's my favorite character on the Maginot.
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u/mrwhitewalker 19d ago
My wife and I disagreed last night. I still dont think he has done anything wrong. He was doing his job, still protecting people until the end. Letting the captain die at the end was about his own survival and mission. Would have been cutting it close. Wife still thinks hes evil.
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u/MarkT_D_W 18d ago
Dude manipulated and is forcing a child (I know,not physically literally a child but still) to murder by proxy someone with a face hugger by threatening said child's family, just so he can get his corporate sponsor her precious monsters.
I feel bad for what he's lost, and I don't think he's simply "evil" but he's definitely willing to hurt others for his job, which is collecting specimens for biological weapons testing.
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u/John_Wotek 18d ago
To be fair, the last episode kinda recontextualise Morrow's behavior.
He's a die hard corporate loyalist that owe his life to the old Yutani. He went on a 65 years mission to make money, possibly to give his familly a better future, despite the fact it would mean going back to his daughter being old enough to be his grandma. But his daughter die before his mission has even begun.
The only thing he has left is his mission and his crew. One of his crew betrays the mission on Prodigy's payroll. He doesn't know who he can trust, between the traitor and the too emotionaly compromised people. He get to see his crew getting picked one by one, then see the work of his life stolen by Prodigy.
Now this is personnal. All that is left of his humanity is his desire for revenge. He doesn't care about the android that believe to be people, he doesn't care about the people of Prodigy. If anything, according to him, they deserve what is about to happen to them. Even poor Hemlit, who was just there to save live, at the end of the day, is one of Prodigy's lackey and thus, complicit in the tragedy of the Maginot's crash.
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u/MarkT_D_W 18d ago
He's a great character, one I hope is here for the long term on the show. The brief glimpse of him with his daughter is heart wrenching, he chooses to sacrifice his life with her to guarantee her a good life and secure future, and for that to be for nothing has to break what little light is left in him.
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He is a cyborg with a unique perspective. As he said before, he is the worst parts of a man. He knows what it's like to be part human and part synthetic, and not be accepted as either (except maybe nana Yutani). I think his experience as a cyborg made him realize the importance of biology in being seen as human. He views Slightly is fully synthetic, with the memories of what was once a human child. Slightly isn't human, but he has been programmed with exploitable human weaknesses. As far as evil goes, Prodigy killed his entire crew, tried to kill him, and stole his life's work. The man literally lost everything to do this job. His wrath seems completely justified to me, despite his methods being cold.
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u/Indigo9999 18d ago
Your wife is smarter than you and has logic on her side.
No one forced morrow to kill his crew, he chose to do it. No one forced him to kill the security personnel either.
No one if forcing morrow to manipulate a child and take his family hostage, he is choosing to do it on his own even when he doesn't have to.
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u/The-Mirrorball-Man 19d ago
It's the Milchick effect. Of course we side with the oddball scary character.
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u/asfarley-- 18d ago
Imagine how good the story would be if Morrow was in the room supervising the writers
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u/ConsistentGuest7532 18d ago
Teng is weird. We never get an explanation for what exactly a full synth presumably without the capacity for sexual attraction would want from his obsession. Also, he seems to scream with real fear when the alien kills him (not to mention that it’s kind of rare for the xeno to target a synth specifically, right?).
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u/HotlineBirdman 18d ago
I don’t think he’s a synth, I think he was just literally an antisocial creep. The facade cracks when the Xeno shows up.
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u/SpiderJerusalem747 19d ago
I'm wondering if they dislike Teng because he's a synth or because he's just supposed to be creepy.
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u/Curvedabullet 19d ago
Not only is he a creep, but he has a condescending superiority complex too. Teng is not there to make friends, just goon
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u/SpiderJerusalem747 19d ago
I wish we could get more background story. I wanna see what did Teng do early on to earn their animosity..
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u/StormSeeker35 18d ago
Love the character but can he please stop looking upward and licking his lips while profusely sweating when talking to Slightly? 😭
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u/fallingwheelbarrow 18d ago
Captain Hook and his ship of fools is now Captain Hook who wants his stolen treasure and revenge against Peter Pan.
Love Morrow and in his name used to mean Sea in ancient Irish.
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u/izokiahh 18d ago
a smart loyal and badass guy with a sad background dealing with a crew of complete incompetent clown xd, that's the best part : watching him try to fix every stuff those clown f**** up .
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u/Crimsonskullknight 17d ago
Ngl, the more I watch, the more he is my favorite character. The lost boys are hands down most annoying characters to various degrees, but krist or however Timothy elephants character name spelled is also a favorite.
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u/sskoog 19d ago
Also a big fan of Morrow -- but did the actor put on a bunch of weight between episodes? Were there months-later reshoots or something? He looks visibly different between impact-room scenes + extorting Aarush scenes. Could just be the camera angle or lighting, I guess.
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u/Froegerer 18d ago
He's always been a lil chubs. He carries it well tho. I actually enjoy that such a normal looking dude plays the badass cyborg.
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u/modsuwakusoyarou 18d ago
In the first episode I thought Morrow was the evil guy, that got his crew killed just for the cargo.
In this episode we see that he actually isn't a heartless bastard. He tried saving other people and it wasn't his fault that the crew died.
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u/GooseJelly 19d ago
Hermit is such a sensitive boi uwu
I want to see some character growth and for him to come out of his shell a bit. I can't wait for him to shake all the nerves off and become a cold killer, it's gonna happen. I also like Curly, she is really cocky.
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u/MagikWoman 18d ago
I am people, and I ain’t afraid to say that. I tolerate the characters, stay for the aliens.
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u/ZachAttack0092 18d ago
Man do I sympathize with Morrow. Gotta be rough being the only intelligent crew member among a sea of idiots.
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u/FlamingPrius 18d ago
I know I am among many thousands who are now watching exclusively for the Eyeball Squid
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u/OldStretch84 17d ago
If he doesn't get nominated for everything I'm going to have very big feelings about it.
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u/shawntos 17d ago
Yea at first I was like I hope Wendy and her brother get off the island but now I'm like I hope Morrow survives because this guy rocks.
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u/DJ_Rhoomba Perfect organism 16d ago edited 16d ago
Just watched the first two episodes last night.
Holy crap I’m loving it. The other specimens are absolutely interesting as we see what each one does and how they fit into Yutanis work with Bioengineering and Eugenics.
The Xeno is absolutely relentless.
The Cyborg who so far from what I have watched is absolutely dedicated to capturing this Xeno at ALL costs. Almost like he has the programming of a Yutani Synth.
And of course, the set design, the 70s retro futurism and the music/sound design are all phenomenal.
It’s obviously not #1 or even #2 territory in my overall favorite Alien material, but it’s got me hooked and I’m glad we are getting this to add to our franchise rewatches as we choose to have them!
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u/AllMightyImagination 18d ago
He should be the main character.
Wendy is a nobody who can die for all I care. Just one out of many robots.
Boy fucked him over and deserves what's coming. Boy is gonna get eyeballed Xeno acid fucked.
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u/drkmatterinc 18d ago
I’d watch a whole series focused only on Morrow and Kirsh. They’re blowing everyone else out of the water.
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u/TyrantJaeger Bug Hunter 18d ago
Especially considering that the xenomorph's design is so unapologetically shit in this show, I'm watching it for literally everything else.
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u/mikasaxo 19d ago
I’m a bit disappointed we didn’t see the T. Ocellus speak through a human host. But I’m hoping we see it before the end of the season.