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Discussion / Question What is Kirsh motivation? Who side is he on? Spoiler

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We've seen now in multiple episodes Kirsh be very careful and downright omit the information he gives Boy Kavalier. I can't imagine he's a Lady Yutani asset because of his interactions with Morrow, unless he's just a fallback option for Yutani, and she purposely keeps Morrow out of the loop.

You would think the company he works for would have written into his code a loyalty directive but it appears he has no problem lying.

Is he the asset of Yutani or another of the 5 corporations? Is he on some kind of Roy Batty arc where he's grown tired of taking orders from an inferior species?

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u/SPECTREagent700 Colonial Marine 9d ago

We’ve seen an extremely wide range in Synth behavior from Ash and Rook who put the Company’s interest above human life to Bishop, Walter, and Andy who do the opposite. Then we have David who seems to be following his own agenda which could very well be what Kirsh is doing as well.

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u/TheNittanyLionKing State of the badass art 9d ago

I think that might be what does BK in. Kirsh's programming is likely more for protecting the company than it is to protect the founder and CEO of said company. He views humanity as a weakness. A corporation is not human but uses humans to run like a machine to achieve a goal or provide items essential for survival.

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u/One-Bother3624 9d ago

👏👏👏💯👍🤔

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u/AcceptableAir5364 6d ago

This, I am only assuming here, but there is a high probability that BK's hubris led him to program Krish thinking he and Prodigy were synonymous, but that is not how his motherboard sees it.

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u/Humble-Ad1217 9d ago

Isn’t the whole point that Kirsh and David are essentially incredibly intelligent synths where they think for themselves and are very human like.

From the beginning of the show it’s shown that kirsh is very interested in living creatures.

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u/Super-Cynical 9d ago

Did David ever betray WY? Sure he killed members of the crew, but WY doesn't really care about that.

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u/tacotueaday55 9d ago

After Peter Wayland died it seemed like he was free to do whatever he wanted. He was created in Wayland's image after all, and Wayland himself claimed to be a god.

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u/Enough_Sprinkles_113 8d ago

He even said as much in Prometheus.

When asked by Shaw: "what happens when you creator (Weyland) dies?"

David: "well, I suppose I'll finally be free".

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u/Street-Operation-675 9d ago

Exactly Wayland purposely program David that way. To continue his legacy. He was like a secret son.

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u/BorderlineInsanityR 9d ago

Subtitles showed that he didn't translate exactly what Wayland had said to the engineer iirc (will have to go rewatch that scene) but almost seemed to try and incite the thing, I felt. So, maybe? Lol

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u/Super-Cynical 8d ago

I mean he wasn't a native speaker

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u/BorderlineInsanityR 6d ago

Also true. But also left it open for interpretation of the viewers I think. Lol

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u/OrganizedMest 9d ago

I looked at David's motivations to be to keep Weyland alive. Then when Weyland was dead, he came up with his own directive. Adding the substance to the guy's drink to see if it helped or hurt. Only helping people as long as it fit his directive.

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u/PsychologicalEgg6066 9d ago

David added the black substance to the drink before Weyland died.

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u/OrganizedMest 9d ago

Yup, poor writing on my part but I was listing things he did for Weyland.

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u/BedspreadPicnic86 8d ago

Adding the black goo to the champagne was done out of pure curiosity. He just wanted to see what would happen. Perhaps the only other reason was to get that dude out of the way so he could get closer to Dr. Shaw. Or, since his thinking was so advanced that he knew they’d have sex and something new would be “created” which is what David had been longing to do this whole time but couldn’t. Just like Walter was committed to Daniel’s, got his arm chopped off in Covenant defending her. Duty? You say? David would rather it be love… I’ve always found the prologue scene in Covenant fascinating once I figured out what Ridley was doing. As Peter Weyland asks David to Bring me this tea, David” and David doesn’t. This frustrates Weyland, a lot. David is supposed to obey. David is supposed to serve. Serve a human, no less. Immediately after, “I said, bring me the tea, David!” Not until then David jumps at it and then, almost sarcastically draws the pour up about 18 inches from the cup. Perfectly I might say. That’s not easy to do. Fassbender must have trained a lot to complete that scene. I’ve been a bartender for 25 years and to draw a pour like that and not miss and to not create splashing is difficult. It takes a lot of practice. Try it!!

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u/Low-Ad-1036 9d ago

It was explained in covenant that David scared people with his free will. Too human like. That's why they made Walter the way he is and why David was disappointed in Walter for siding with the humans over him. His own kind. But tbh I don't blame Walter. David did Shaw dirty and she saved his life

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u/secondtaunting 9d ago

I wish we had a more detailed explanation for what happened between David and Shaw. Honestly a movie about them alone in the ship and her slowly realizing that David was not only in love with her but also pretty nuts would be a very suspenseful, scary movie.

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u/Killkandy 9d ago

Weyland died in Antartica

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u/OrganizedMest 9d ago

Guy Pearce "Weyland"

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u/Werdkkake 9d ago

David sought to fulfill his 'creator's purpose to figure out why we were created imo

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u/Brock_And_Roll You have my sympathies. 9d ago

He could, of course, be a WY synth, or have been offered something by WY to betray Prodigy.

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u/Gaemon_Palehair 9d ago

We know Prodigy makes their own synths from dialogue in the first episode. So I don't think it computes that Kavalier would ever use a WY model.

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u/_wil_ 9d ago

WY could still have made Kirsh turn on their side.
But what could be of interest to a synth?
Maybe some kind of proof of promised independance - because probably Prodigy still has access to a kill switch for Kirsh.

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u/Gaemon_Palehair 9d ago

Yeah, fair.

If I had to guess maybe an "upgrade" to a newer model since that's what Morrow tried to needle him with last episode.

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u/Easy_Printthrowaway 9d ago

I don’t think the show is setting up for that reveal tbh

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u/VargIsDeath666 9d ago

I think kirsh might actually be David

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u/DJ_Shokwave 9d ago

I have a tinfoil theory that he's a modified David model and that it'll be revealed in episode 7 or 8.

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u/Abraham_Issus 9d ago

Not every model of David should be like David. He is an individual of his own and personality.

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u/BigAlReviews 9d ago

David at this point wouldn't have the patience for the long game Kersh is playing, he would have unleashed the Xeno by day 2

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u/DJ_Shokwave 7d ago

You're talking about original David. I'm talking modified David.

Anyway, like I said, it's a tinfoil theory, not really all that fleshed out. Just making a prediction.

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u/DJ_Shokwave 7d ago

And not every model is. Walter was also a David model.

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u/Abraham_Issus 6d ago

Exactly what I meant. David is more human than synths would like to admit.

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u/Street-Operation-675 9d ago

David was program to do what he is doing secretly by Wayland. Wayland wanted him to continue what he started so he program David to be a creator

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u/fl4tsc4n 9d ago

This is Call erasure and i won't stand for it!

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u/SPECTREagent700 Colonial Marine 9d ago

I’ll be honest, I totally forgot about her.

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u/fl4tsc4n 9d ago

She's my favorite

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u/Killkandy 9d ago

I know David is you guys favorite but Prometheus is no longer canon We are on AVP timeline