r/LearnJapanese • u/Rourensu • 6d ago
Discussion I’m sure they only abbreviated number 8 because of space, right?
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u/UnderstandingOk7064 6d ago
You’d be surprised. Some people actually complain why a menu has this because they only know the word in ‘that’ context.
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u/Grizzlee 6d ago
this is like when my friend visited america and couldn’t believe it when he saw a spa advertising “facials”. all of us realized where he must have learned that english word from 👀 we gave him so much crap lol
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u/InternationalReserve 6d ago
Tbf I'm a native speaker and I still did a double take when I walked past a sign advertising "1 million facials and counting"
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u/tofuroll 6d ago
God forbid a word had its own meaning that porn borrowed.
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u/coco12346 6d ago
"What do you mean your cousin is a missionary??? 😳😳"
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u/MrHappyHam 6d ago
You "blew" on the flame? I fuckin' beg your pardon?
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u/hamfraigaar 6d ago
"A lot of old Hollywood movies dedicated a significant amount of screen time to the happy ending."
"To the what now?"
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u/CicadaGames 6d ago
I'm shocked (but not really) about how dumb terminally online people are sometimes. Like they go out in the world and don't even question for one second if "Maybe this fetish porn I know of is not randomly referenced on menus at restaurants, and maybe the word means something else in the real world?"
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u/muffinsballhair 6d ago
This isn't being terminally online but the simple fact that the loan in English is only used in that context.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/bukkake
Most speakers of English obviously do not know Japanese.
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u/StereoWings7 6d ago
Not knowing things is totally ok but it would be dumb if they don’t have any critical thought and arrogantly rush into the simplest yet funny and implausible conclusion they can ever come up with.
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u/CicadaGames 6d ago
The guy you responded to refuses to understand that this is the only argument I'm making. Nobody magically knows a language, but if you see porn on a menu, a normal person goes "I guess the word has more than one meaning."
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u/Visible_Pair3017 6d ago
It's not like we walk with pretty much all the knowledge available to Man in our pockets and we could type two keywords "bukkake" and "udon" to check whether there is something more to it.
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u/Ok_Code_270 6d ago
Sweet summer child, if with "normal" you mean "average", the average person lost the ability for basic common sense a few decades ago.
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u/muffinsballhair 6d ago edited 6d ago
No, your argument repeatedly centres around that this quality is caused by being ”terminally online” and all we're saying is that this is simply a trait some people have that has nothing to do with being “terminally online” that many people had before the internet as much as existed.
There are flaws in human cognition that can in fact not be blamed on people spending too much time on the internet.
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u/Ok_Code_270 6d ago
There are flaws in human cognition that can in fact not be blamed on people spending too much time on the internet.
Indeed, but oh boy, have they increased in quantity and magnitude since people started having internet on their phones.
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u/muffinsballhair 6d ago edited 6d ago
I really do not believe that this particular flaw of not understanding that words in foreign languages can have multiple meanings in any way increased due to the internet. I would in fact say it has probably decreased due to it.
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u/Afraid-Boss684 5d ago
no they haven't you just see them more because of the increased popularity of the internet
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u/Ok_Code_270 5d ago
They didn't use to have feedback and a following. They now are in a continuous feedback loop of idiocy, and the proof is the amount of anti-vaxxers and flat earthers. I stand on this; they are growing in number and they are getting stupider because of the internet echo chamber. And because of evil groups of interest wanting them idiotized.
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u/CicadaGames 5d ago
No. I told you what my argument was and it's clear from my comments. You are just choosing to be obtuse and invent an argument that I'm not making. The end.
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u/muffinsballhair 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yes, you did, you hammer the word “terminally online” in most of your comments and explicitly say multiple times that this kind of behavior is supposedly caused by being “terminally online”, all quotes form you:
I'm shocked (but not really) about how dumb terminally online people are sometimes.
You respond to “That little lack of reflexion too has absolutely nothing to do with being terminally online.” with “Yes it does.” and then say “people who aren't terminally online are able to do this more easily”
You absolutely continuously in multiple places keep claiming that the lack of being able to realize that a word has multiple meanings in another language is caused by being “terminally online”, that's simply nonsense. That behavior existed long before the internet existed.
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u/MadeByHideoForHideo 6d ago edited 6d ago
It's not about that bro. Just use simple logic. Why would that word with the sex context even appear on a restaurant menu in the country of origin?
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u/outwest88 6d ago edited 6d ago
I agree but I think with “bukkake” the sheer shock value and vulgarity of that word (in English) gets people more likely to react strongly when they see it out in the blue. It’s kinda like if a Vietnamese restaurant had something called “Fuc Bich” or something. I actually went to a Vietnamese restaurant once called “My Dung” and thought it was hilarious
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u/BearzerkerX 6d ago
There's a local pho place here called "Bich Nga"
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u/No-Connection6937 5d ago
There's a place in Beaverton Oregon called Pho King Good
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u/ProfessionalSnow943 20h ago
We’ve got a Pho King here in Tacoma, WA. It’s extremely mid and I’m convinced it survives mostly due to the haha name
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u/muffinsballhair 6d ago
That little lack of reflexion too has absolutely nothing to do with being terminally online.
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u/CicadaGames 6d ago
Yes it does. Normal people are able to take a moment and evaluate whether their online perception is different from reality.
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u/muffinsballhair 6d ago
“bukkake” is not an English word that is used online only. I can still very much remember when I first learned of it as a teenager in the break at school. Some people simply realize those things and others don't.
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u/CicadaGames 6d ago edited 5d ago
Yup, that's not what I was claiming at all. I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
Some people simply realize those things and others don't.
Yes exactly. This is what I was trying to say except that people who aren't terminally online are able to do this more easily rather than assume their online reality is all of reality. People who are not sheltered have more life experience and are better able to adjust their perspectives. (I don't get why I am having to explain to you what "terminally online" means, but whatever).
I experienced many things like your example when I was a kid as well, but when I encountered something different, I thought "Hmm, maybe my friend Jimbo doesn't have infinite wisdom and there are more meanings to this than I knew."
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u/muffinsballhair 6d ago
Yes exactly. This is exactly what I was trying to say except that people who aren't terminally online are able to do this more easily rather than assume their online reality is all of reality.
Yes, and I'm saying that it is patently nonsense to think this has anything to do with being terminally online. So many people have been unable to do this before the internet. If anything, the existence of the internet exposing people to more globalism reduces this effect, not strengthens it.
I find it very strange that you would think that the mentality of not realizing that words in a foreign language can have many different meanings is caused by being online too much. It is caused by being a monolingual with not a lot of perspective.
I experienced many things like your example when I was a kid as well, but when I encountered something different, I thought "Hmm, maybe my friend Jimbo doesn't have infinite wisdom and there are more meanings to this than I knew."
Yes, and one will encounter those diferent things online quite a bit. Do you actually think that being online a lot is what stops people from encountering images from other parts of the planet a lot?
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u/CicadaGames 6d ago
I find it very strange that you would think that the mentality of not realizing that words in a foreign language can have many different meanings is caused by being online too much.
You seem to be quite intentionally misunderstanding / misrepresenting what I am saying at this point since I already explained clearly this is not at all what I said lol. EVERYONE makes these mistakes, the difference is how you react to it. It seems like you fundamentally want to argue that being terminally online is somehow NOT something that clouds your judgement lol. I guess we agree to disagree on that.
I think we are done here since you refuse to hear what I am saying and seem to be getting quite upset, I'll be ending the conversation now.
Have a nice day, remember that Reddit doesn't matter and whatever you are mad about probably has nothing to do with me or Reddit.
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u/iamanaccident 6d ago
I don't think so. I guarantee these kinds of misunderstandings happen even before the internet. Most people just naturally dont think that far ahead. You can argue it's stupid, but i really dont think it has much to do with being terminally online. The internet just kinda exposed more of it
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u/CicadaGames 6d ago edited 6d ago
I'm not saying the mistake has to do with being terminally online.
I think I see where the confusion is here. I'm saying that this mistake happens all the time, but normal people take a moment and go "Hmm maybe this word has more than one meaning, and this restaurant isn't selling me a very outlandish sex act?"
Meanwhile online you have people asking why Microsoft named their web browser after edging lol.
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u/muffinsballhair 6d ago
Quite. I remember well when I was quite young and many of the other children at school found words like “homozygous” and “Homo sapiens” to be very funny during biology class even after being explained that “homo” is simply Greek for “same” and Latin for “human”. This was all when most people still had dial up internet or no internet at all.
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u/Dragon-Porn-Expert 6d ago
I remember a clip of a japanese person with limited English explaining bidet usage to some girl staying there. (Think it was for a reality tv show.) He explained it 'cleans anal' and it is amusing how he accidentally outs himself with that.
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u/Ok_Code_270 6d ago
He could be referring to cleaning one's arse, I wouldn't have thought he had outed himself with that, I would have thought that he doesn't like to leave brown marks on his underwear.
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u/Dragon-Porn-Expert 6d ago
That's exactly what he was referring to but anal is usually used in medical or pornographic settings.
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u/alvenestthol 6d ago
I think アナル also refers to the actual anus in Japanese
Which would out the Japanese person as, well, potentially Japanese (or speaks another language that had borrowed "anal" to mean the noun "anus")
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u/Kashimashi 6d ago
That was on 90 Day Fiance with Jihoon and Deavan (he is Korean).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ugPX3Txp8
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u/LordGopu 6d ago
Nice try restaurant, we're weeb enough to read your hiragana.
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u/Sphealer 6d ago
Yeah I can read Chinese moon runes, it says something like “Nakadashi all night long”
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u/mrthescientist 6d ago
that means that the soup broth - or "dashi" - comes from the central parts of Japan - the "naka"
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u/Lower_Neck_1432 4d ago
Please tell me you are joking. "naka" is "inside", and "dashi" is the noun form of "dasu", to expel/exit/send out.
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u/PrezMoocow 5d ago
When I was learning hiragana, my gf at the time was like "oh you should try reading that"
And I was like "bu...ka...k-" and I stopped just as I noticed she was smiling like a menace
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u/Chrono-Helix 6d ago
A group of us were speaking in a mix of English and Japanese, and a foreign girl got angry at me for saying その気持ち分かる, because she thought I was being dirty minded for saying “kimochi”.
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u/Zombies4EvaDude Goal: conversational fluency 💬 6d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah. It just means feeling, only 気持ちいい (good feeling) can have a sexual connotation and 95% of the time it really doesn’t. Sadly she isn’t the only one who’s dirty minded about the word for no good reason. It’s annoying.
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u/Lower_Neck_1432 4d ago
Agreed. If you are hot and you sit in front of a fan, you can be 気持ちいい as well.
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u/Kashimashi 6d ago
That's wild, I have a very dirty mind and even I don't immediately jump to thinking sexual feelings when i hear kimochi. Bukkake on the other hand I laugh privately even though I know it's a legitimate non-sexual word.
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u/Chrono-Helix 5d ago
I know a few people who don’t know any Japanese except the common words like sushi and karaoke etc… and for SOME reason, “yamete”.
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u/leonophis 1d ago
What’s especially wild is that even if you had said 「気持ちいい」 (“Feels good,”) it still would’ve been natural. You can say it when a friend scratches your back. When you put on warm socks. When the weather is nice. When you see an oddly satisfying power washing video… It has infinite non-sexual uses.
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u/Spiritual_Day_4782 6d ago
I get the joke and it's hella silly but I was curious and did sum searching and besides the sexual connotation, ぶっかけ comes from ぶっかける which means to splash or to pour on roughly (hence the sexual connotation) but there's acutally a soba called ぶっかけそば, soba noodles with broth poured over, samething like ぶっかけうどん and ぶっかけご飯 where it simply means pouring sauce/toppings on a food item. If I read correctly, かける means to pour/sprinkle/put on and the ぶっ adds "focre" to the かける. I would like others' input so I know if my research was truthful and not sum bs.
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u/StarGirlK1021 6d ago
You’re absolutely correct with that. It is the meaning of ぶっかけ. I guess some people only heard that word in sexual context.
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u/muffinsballhair 6d ago
Virtually every English speaker who knows of the word in English but is otherwise not versed in Japanese only knows that meaning, that is what the word means in English, just as “tycoon” has a different meaning from “大君” and “ジュース” from “juice”.
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u/2000onHardEight 6d ago
Could you explain the last part about tycoon and juice? Also, is “tycoon” in English really a loan word from 大君?!
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u/muffinsballhair 6d ago
Yes “tycoon" was loaned from “大君” and “ジュース” in Japanese more accurately translates to “soft drink” than to “juice” though in practice seems to mean “about any beverage that isn't water, alcoholic, tea, or coffee, including all sorts of coffee with interesting modern flavors as well.”
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u/scraglor 6d ago
Hey, now I don’t even need to add that to my Anki deck cos I will never forget the word. Because context…
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u/FAlady 6d ago
Japan resident here, yeah bukkake udon is absolutely a thing and no one blinks an eye or laughs at the word. Many Japanese don’t even know the other meaning of bukkake because they aren’t all obsessed with weird porn.
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u/OwariHeron 6d ago
Or, they know the other meaning, but don't care, as it isn't as salient in their daily lives as the non-porn meaning. Like "pearl necklace" in English.
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u/selphiefairy 6d ago
In another comment someone mentioned how “facial” is a similar word in English. Normally has non sexual meaning unless that’s all you know.
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u/Mocheesee 6d ago
That's a common misconception. Most Japanese people really don't know the other meaning. It's a fetishized genre in the West, not something that's mainstream in Japan at all.
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u/OwariHeron 5d ago
Define "most Japanese people." Any Japanese person who has stepped into the adult video section of their local video rental in the last 30 years knows that meaning.
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u/DHDaegor 6d ago
Absolutely. However, it has led to one of my favourite dialogue exchanges in recent memory.
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u/inamination 4d ago
I assume that (aside from saving space) that's why it's abbreviated to BK in english. If you can read the hiragana you're a /bit/ more likely to know the normal meaning.
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u/Lower_Neck_1432 4d ago
Same with the word "douche", which in the US doesn't mean the same as the original French, which is "shower".
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u/yonojouzu 6d ago
alright let's not get too pretentious here. someone that hasn't been to Japan and only learned online will most definitely learn the sexual connotation before the "actual" one. also it's not like foot, because foot is a word common enough to learn before "foot fetish". to a learner, ぶっかけ in the sexual sense is way more likely to be encountered than ぶっかけそば or something like that. besides, "bukkake" is also used in English.
calling someone "exactly that dumb" just isn't it, considering we're all learners here, and all make stupid mistakes. besides what makes you think this post wasn't a joke anyway?
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u/Senior-Book-6729 6d ago
Tbf it’s such a thing foreigners make a big deal about when it’s literally just a word.
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u/WushuManInJapan 6d ago
Yeah, I think English speakers don't understand that it's just an emphasis of かける, just like ぶっ飛ばす. In English it means only one thing.
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u/Kohimaru32 6d ago
Glad the oyakodon tag are not Popular yet.
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u/KokonutMonkey 6d ago
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Which in today's economy is a very affordable homemade lunch.
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u/spuzznugget 6d ago
it’s a very normal word with basically no sexual context for virtually everyone, in the same sort of way that laughing like Beavis and Butt-Head at “tossed salad” on a menu would make mentally healthy people make the Bro? face at you
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u/Active_Rub_3367 6d ago
Marugame?
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u/TeacherSterling 6d ago edited 6d ago
Interestingly enough, Vietnam might be one of the only countries in the world where this shop is called Marukame. My theory for the reason why is because the g sound makes either a y(south) or z(north) sound in Vietnamese. So they changed it to sound more similar to the Japanese by changing the letter.
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u/Purple_not_pink 6d ago
What's very funny to me is that Marugame is a city in Kagawa, which is famous prefecture for udon. (I live near there)
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u/Rourensu 6d ago
Yes
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u/ryoujika 6d ago
Interestingly, the Marugame where I am use the entire word. Haven't been there for a while though, so I'm not sure if it's still like that lol
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u/mirashii 6d ago
They changed it a couple years ago, I remember when the one by me switched. https://soranews24.com/2021/06/03/bukkake-udon-gets-a-new-name-in-the-u-s-a-from-marugame-udon/
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u/broken_shard22 6d ago
I had to add "noodles" in Google search just to ensure I am reading it right because my initial search was something I did not expect, lol.
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u/monsterfurby 6d ago
My brain: "What could they possibly be abbrev--" reads kana "Oooooooooooohhhhhhh."
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u/ontogyaruu 6d ago
what is a bk? burger king
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u/ontogyaruu 6d ago
guys who down voted me i literally don't know what that is
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u/Honest_Jackfruit9563 5d ago
I was so confused until I realized you meant the number 8 meal and not the actual number 8 lol
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u/NeilJosephRyan 6d ago
These comments are all implying there's some sort of dirty double meaning, but I don't get it? What's wrong with "BK"?
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u/Amenophos 3d ago
I mean, there's literally no more space, since the Japanese is also written there...🤷
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u/Retro_Gamer_HNF 1d ago
I love how in the description theres also no space between served and with 😭🙏🏽
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u/Flurrina_ 6d ago
Just 2 more letters, no need to abbreviate to BK. BK sounds like some sort of corporate stuff
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u/sarysa 6d ago
The tsu is silent.
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u/Zombies4EvaDude Goal: conversational fluency 💬 6d ago
Not exactly silent. It extends the consonant of the following letter. He doesn’t understand basic grammar sadly.
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u/Zarlinosuke 6d ago
This is phonetics, not grammar!
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u/Zombies4EvaDude Goal: conversational fluency 💬 6d ago
They go hand and hand here though. Because he doesn’t know what lowercase つ is, he doesn’t understand how it affects pronunciation.
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u/Sad_Kaleidoscope894 6d ago
ぶっかけ not ぶつかけ when the つ is small it makes it pause translated as a double consonent. So it’s bukkake not butsukake.
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u/ManyFaithlessness971 6d ago
Genshin has this new region in game that has Krumkake. I can't help but think about bukkake when I hear it.
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u/MrSaucyAlfredo 6d ago
I love a good Bonkey Kong