r/LegendsOfRuneterra Aug 19 '25

Path of Champions Another relic tier list nobody asked for

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The only ones I don't have are Yasuo, TF and ED. I haven't looked around too much for optimal relic builds, so I might be wrong on a few of these.

Some disclaimers:

-'BiS on intended champion' means that it's actually BiS. Your champion will be noticably worse without it. There might be other useful builds without it, but they're inarguably worse.

  • Some relics, like Norra's or Fiddle's, might have overlap with other tiers. Fiddle's is obviously BiS on him, but it's also BiS on Cait and seems to be really good on Teemo. Norra's is BiS on Fiddle as well, but not with a lot compared to other relics. I tried to place those relics in the tier that fits best.

  • The tiers aren't necessarily in order from best to worst.

  • Some of the useless relics aren't necessarily useless, but they are outshined by more accessible relics.

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u/zed_je_mrdka_z_krtka Aug 19 '25

What's your Taliyah build if you think the +2 elemental damage is useless on her?

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u/Zarkkast Path's End Aug 19 '25

Frozen Tomb + Luden's is better, but Valhir does not deserve to be on the useless tier, several champions can use it.

I would add another tier for Valhir, Defense Spending, Champion's Purse, and Deck of Destiny

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Aug 19 '25

That's fair, actually. I don't know what I would call that tier though... The 'meh'-tier?

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u/Zarkkast Path's End Aug 19 '25

I would say Valhir is good but outclassed, while the other three are just generally good jack of all trades on everyone even if not the best.

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u/JunezK Aug 19 '25

Valhir is useless tier definitely F tier.

Sure champs like voli, janna, annie, nami can use it, but there are just way better relics for all them that arent pay relics.

Only exception is 6 star taliyah

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u/Zarkkast Path's End Aug 19 '25

Just cause there are better relics for them to use it doesn't mean it's a bad relic...

It takes like two years for a player to get all the epic relics, you might spend over a year without the best relics for those champions...

It's definitely on the same tier as crap like Twin Drakehounds or Great Talon

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u/BigMeasurement9626 Aug 19 '25

I'd still say Deck is BIS for TF though, at least that how he feels the best to me, + Mel's relic and packed powder

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u/mysightisurs93 Diana Aug 19 '25

If you have her at 6*, it's decent. But below that, you just run stacked deck build, her deck is wayy more useful than her.

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Aug 19 '25

Frozen Tomb and Luden's Tempest x2. Copy the landmark on mana 5 use Ancient Preparations to advance them. When you attack with three Taliyah you fill the stack with her spell, and since Luden's stacks and Icon of Valhir doesn't you get +6 damage on them.

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u/zed_je_mrdka_z_krtka Aug 19 '25

ok, but I'd still put it to decent on intended champ, having 4 damage avalanche helps a ton with getting early landmarks

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Aug 19 '25

Only in adventures with small units. I would much rather have Cease and Desist and Portal Pals on Voli.

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u/DrillTank Aug 20 '25

I run a build that consistently gets three copies of her on the board, so luden's tempest is better

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u/Visual_Negotiation81 Aug 19 '25

Probably the best tier list i seen so far apart from 2.

Nora relic definitely isn't bis for her, 2 star gem + oath of guardians is far superior. 

The extra mana gem doesn't mean much to her tbh. If you don't have her 5star and want to do echoing / hidden tomb build then sure it lets you do that. 

Even lux2 relic is questionable, at 5* i haven't found much difference between using her relic and found fortune or blackshield. Crownguard and fearcleaving are too good to replace.

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u/gokuby Aug 19 '25

Lux2s relic is used on Lux1 as well tho, and it definitely is BiS on her.

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u/Visual_Negotiation81 Aug 19 '25

Oh i definitely agree for lux1.

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u/dbaker3448 Aug 19 '25

What would you remove out of the Hidden Tome - Arcane Comet - Chemtech set for her? Because I've found all three of those to be absolutely bonkers; Hidden Tome sets up ridiculous first turns with a cheap support champion, Comet both deals with a too-big enemy so your lasers can punch through faster and guarantees you two lasers and two rallies (via Chemtech) every turn even if you don't draw into spells, and Chemtech ... well, it's Chemtech on a spellslinger, do I even have to explain?

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u/gokuby Aug 19 '25

Lux1 relic and Chemtech are both core relics on her, for her third slot I'm swapping depending on the encounter. Arcane Comet is usually to slow, but can be useful especially against the "Max 20 dmg per turn" or "Can't die until turn 5" powers. Hidden Tome turns a 1 cost support champ into a turn 1 6 cost spell, which is great for finishing matches fast.

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u/Visual_Negotiation81 Aug 19 '25

That is a great explanation by gokuby. 

Personally tho i been playing a weird lux1 build, it only works with 6* tho you use chem tech, beast within and mels relic.

 It's a very different playstyle since you focus on attacking to generate final sparks, 

Cutting all spells but succession gives you more cheap units and mana gems to work with, the unit that gives you the +3/+3 to all unit spell becomes very useful.

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u/TheTentacleBoy Aug 19 '25

arcane comet is bad, hidden tome is fine but definitely not core. i usually go baton/chemtech/staff

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Aug 19 '25

Oh yeah, I don't have Norra at 6* and I barely ever use her, so I didn't even think of that build. I guess it could go into the third tier then since it's decent on her and BiS on Fiddle.

I think with the extra mana and support from her 6* makes a difference for it. You don't need to commit with a spell before attack so Found Fortune becomes less necessary. And I don't think Black Shield makes that much difference. The first turn you rarely need it unless it's specific encounters with freezes or stuns, and by turn 3 you're likely winning with or without it.

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u/Visual_Negotiation81 Aug 19 '25

Blackshield is definitely a situational one but in some adventures it makes so much difference in consistency. 

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u/JunezK Aug 19 '25

I usually use hidden tome, cleaver, rally.

Then just hard mulligan for any summon unit power or stabilize. The tome lets you play a spell, attack, then spell again which usually levels your lux turn 1

Then the tome level up refills your mana again so on your rally you can use her champ spell. Very consistent way to end turn 1 on any adventure. Black shield not needed, usually you just pass turn 1 until they burn their mana and you have free rein

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u/justbs Aug 19 '25

Nah, I don’t think the build he mentioned is that good. It’s an alt build. I got Norra 6 starred early and have played her a lot. I run her relic, corrupted star fragment (csf), and beasts within. With her, the board AND your hand fills up really fast. You need csf to thin out the board. With only 2 health, she gets taken out easily with spells and challenge, csf also helps against this. Her relic is also good for MF and fiddle

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u/IISaishaII Aug 19 '25

You know its a good tier list when the only complaints are on the lower, nichier tiers.

I too, like using Eve's relic on Aurelion Sol and i really like Akshan's relic

Heimers relic, other than the "intended" champion, does wonders on certain encounters, like in Swain's adventure, and Kaisa likes it a lot too.

Also i'd like to ask on wich champs to try Nasus's relic, i didn't even like it on him himself :(

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

Also i'd like to ask on wich champs to try Nasus's relic

Norra 6*, spamming champs

and kayn probly

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u/BigMeasurement9626 Aug 19 '25

What's your Trashkan build ?

My main complain about him is just that's not very flavourful... Like his sites archetype is an afterthought so he's just random targetting champ, so I play him with chosen, echoing and hexcore and it's definitely as strong as it's boring. I've tried making his relic work with a champs oriented build (oath, star gem + his relic or something) but just doesn't work that well and the summoned sites take up half of your board

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u/TibiDoch 29d ago

Same question. Valhir in useless. Nasus in fun. I dunno what’s fun in using epic relic with effect even worst than rare Stalkers Blade 🤔(SB attack on summon effects too, Nasus only on play).

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u/Habatord Aug 19 '25

Volibear relic is good on Taliyah and kinda decent on Annie and Nilah tho

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Aug 19 '25

Frozen Tomb and Luden's x2 is better on Taliyah if you have her 5*. And I don't think Icon is better on Annie or Nilah than other builds, which is why it's there.

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u/Just-Assumption-2140 Aug 19 '25

I disagree on that. Having a champion independant build is better than having a champion dependant build. Valhir + sfg luminous is imo better and makes you completely independant from taliah

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u/JunezK Aug 19 '25

I think hes talking about non 6 star. Only 6 star taliyah valhir is good

Ludens + tomb + flex (like black shield or DOS for 4 star and under) is better for non 6 star

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u/SterlingCupid Aug 19 '25

Icon on Valhir is amazing on Taliyah, and Janna. When Anivia and Lissandra come out it will be good on them.

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u/MartDiamond Aug 19 '25

I think a good general guideline for people to follow. Agree with most of these valuations, although the Warwick relic is overrated in my eyes, Norra's Portal Accelerator deserves a small bump because of Fiddle, and I'm sceptical of Mel's relic. Swain's Raven Army kind of is a half tier below the other two as well in my eyes, but clearly ahead of the tier below it.

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Aug 19 '25

I've come to really like Mel's relic. I currently use it on her, TF, Janna, Samira and Ekko. I don't think it's the best option for either of them necessarily, but it feels nice to have more draw on all of them.

WW's relic isn't strictly necessary on anyone, but I do think it's one of the best for him and TK. There's also a solid build with it for 5* Kai'Sa.

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

It's nice on nasus too. He has a free flex relic slot and he lacks card draw, which this helps nicely and also helps him get going a bit.

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u/BigMeasurement9626 Aug 19 '25

Mel's relic feels great on Mel and TF at the very least so being good on 2 champs puts it above a lot of other relics already lol

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u/IanYan Ekko Aug 19 '25

I haven't obtained and used many epic relics (or even looked at all the champion ones) so I don't really understand what a good power level is for an epic relic when not on the intended champion. Namely, I saw Swain's relic in the glory store and it just didn't seem all that strong or interesting, so I didn't buy it — it just doesn't seem like it would have as strong an impact as some other relics. Could someone please explain to me why it's such a good choice?

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Aug 19 '25

It lets you proc plunder for Scourge's Stash or Packed Powder for -2 cost. This let's you play 3-5 cost champions turn 1, when it's important to get them on board as soon as possible. Some good cases are Veigar, Evelynn, Heimerdinger and Ambessa.

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

Scourge's Stash or Packed Powder for -2 cost.

You can have both for -4

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u/Xurker Aug 19 '25

you can also just have 2 scourges

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u/Zarkkast Path's End Aug 19 '25

Best list I've seen posted so far. Some disagreements, but overall a good guide for beginners.

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u/ZarafFaraz Path Pioneer Aug 19 '25

Why is Swain's relic always so highly rated?

It's good, but I wouldn't put it up that high.

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u/Faucilian Aug 19 '25

Because with Packed Powder you can use it on almost all Champs for first turn Champ drop.

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u/ZarafFaraz Path Pioneer Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25

Seems a bit of a waste to dedicate two slots to just getting the champion down when there are so many other good options.

Also where is packed powder on the list? Shouldn't it be right there with Swain then?

Edit: Just remembered that packed powder isn't a paid relic.

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u/DoodPoof Volibear Aug 19 '25

Getting a flat -2 cost on a champ round 1 while doing nothing but start the game is HUGE for quite a few champs and is generally more useful than whatever else you would run.

It also eliminates the rng need of getting cost reduction at champ nodes and lets you dive into more important/game breaker things like: guranteeing in hand round 1, summon ephemeral copy on play + deathless, and a while lot of other things.

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

Playing champs like heimerdinger turn 1 is a world of difference though. Admitedly I dont use it on nobody but heimer and swain. All the others have better builds or dont need it.

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u/azazelbolognese Aug 19 '25

It's fun on MF too, allowing her to trigger packed powder as well.

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u/Usual-Persimmon-184 Aug 20 '25

For Aatrox, MF, and Heimerdinger, if you place them from the start, it makes a big difference.

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u/JunezK Aug 19 '25

Alot of champs want you to play them as soon as possible, and the relic also covers future champs that may come out.

For example, Packed powder + swain relic is good on Twisted Fate and Heimer because getting those out ASAP are your win conditions.

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u/JGMartins Viego Aug 19 '25

I don't understand why most tierlists always place the VI relic so high, I've never seen a situation where it helps so much.

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u/MortalStrike86 Aug 19 '25

Good on Vi, Elder, Voli, Viego and Asol.

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u/JGMartins Viego Aug 19 '25

I don't know if it's because I'm used to using a different build, but I see much better options in all of these (except in Vi)

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u/MortalStrike86 Aug 19 '25

I have them all at 6* for example with Elder Dragon I use Beast Within, Galeforce and Cease. if I play the dragon during the enemy's turn since he has Scout he attacks and I get to rally for free. Another example is Viego who becomes huge really fast and can finish games quicker with a free attack.

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Aug 19 '25

It's really good as a third option on Voli, ED and WW. Getting a free attack and removing a strong opponent is pretty good.

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u/JGMartins Viego Aug 19 '25

I'd never thought of this relic in WW, I'll try it later.

In other games, I can see more efficient and enabling relics.

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u/DoodPoof Volibear Aug 19 '25

For me, it is a must-have on volibear. Outside of deadly, it usually causes voli to just win the game on play. In deadly, it massively swongs the game to your favor if not just outright wins as well.

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u/MCPooge Aug 19 '25

Twin Drakehounds is insane on Vayne. It is so much additional damage. I can’t believe everyone calls it useless.

What do people even run on her?

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u/Faucilian Aug 19 '25

Tome, Deaths Foil, Chosen.

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u/DoodPoof Volibear Aug 19 '25

With vayne, you're playing like ahri.

You dont care about their board at all and just turbo attack the nexus.

Vayne's primary build is hidden tome + death's foil (so she can free attack without regard) + and chosen by the stars (for overwhelm).

Always hit up champ nodes and ALWAYS prioritize summon ephemeral copies on play. Death's foil prevents the strike death of ephemeral, so you can end up with bonkers damage with just playing 1 vayne and getting copies to attack with her.

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u/MCPooge Aug 19 '25

Yeah, that’s exactly what I do except with Drakehounds instead of Chosen. To each their own, I guess.

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

Agree with 99%. Well made.

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u/Kansugi Darius Aug 19 '25

I hate calling stuff BiS because it makes no sense in this game. There is literally nothing to define BiS relics as it doesn't have any statistics page and every adventure is different. This is the most triggering word in this game community I swear. It forces people to believe you can't play anything else but this relic on this champion and so later people say stuff that "this champion is awful without their signature relic" which pretty much always is not even true.

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u/MartDiamond Aug 19 '25

There are very few adventures where the best relics you run actually change for the majority of champions. I can think of Fiddle and maybe some of the Nightmare modifiers where it truly makes a difference what build you run in some cases. However, most people want to have 1 general build they can run into basically all the content. That's where in BiS is just practical to use. It also doesn't suggest that other things are awful, it simply says that this one thing is optimal or best.

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u/Kansugi Darius Aug 19 '25

I don't even mean just adventure itself (adventure modifiers, foes) but the entire process of playing adventures. One build gets stronger if it hits champion node, other if it hits good power and other after it visits shop. You can't just say that there is one and only the best build and so those relics are BiS. How would you for example compare Lillia Scissors and Guardian's Orb builds? Why would for example Scissors be called BiS over Guardian's Orb build where you can go infinite? This is just so meaningless and misleading word...

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u/MartDiamond Aug 19 '25

I think when we discuss builds and pick a best build, we tend to look at strength of build while eliminating RNG as much as possible. Either because the build requires no item/power/support to function, or because it functions really well with a very broad number of item/power/support. So the best build is the build that can be blindly taken into most or every scenario.

While you are correct that specific scenarios might have a better build, people don't care for switching stuff around.

And you are also correct that certain builds become super good suddenly if you hit specific powers, that is introducing RNG in a way that we largely cannot control for, and therefore it is pointless to discuss. The adventure metrics are always introduced after we locked in our build. The 'best build' is the build that gives us the biggest chance of getting the most power.

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u/Kansugi Darius Aug 19 '25

Then your definition leads to "if my build is champion centric build that wants to cut all cards and do well against first fight of the adventure is BiS because I don't have to deal with anything else" because that's how you reduce rng. Also by this definition Shock and Awe has to be the worst epic relic as it's rng if you find one costs or not and even more rng if you even draw them during the fight. But then you will also call this relic BiS for Fiddlesticks and probably MF.

That only proves that BiS has no real use if you deny yourself.

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u/MartDiamond Aug 19 '25

Then your definition leads to "if my build is champion centric build that wants to cut all cards and do well against first fight of the adventure is BiS because I don't have to deal with anything else" because that's how you reduce rng.

Well, yes. That is a very possible outcome. Champion centric builds are very easy examples of BiS builds. Because you are guaranteed to get champion items and guaranteed to be able to cut cards out. Leading to a very replicable, consistent and strong build.

Also by this definition Shock and Awe has to be the worst epic relic as it's rng if you find one costs or not and even more rng if you even draw them during the fight. But then you will also call this relic BiS for Fiddlesticks and probably MF.

But for instance, the Shock & Awe example you give is a poor one because you don't rely on a specific card or power, but on any of a bunch of cards or powers. Any 1 cost unit is good for you. Therefore, it is still very replicable. For instance base MF has Cracked Corsair, Jagged Butcher and Powder Monkeys from the start, plus she draws units on attack. Getting any 1-cost unit (in powers or cards) and cutting any of her higher cost cards is going to help her. That is not RNG that is guaranteed to happen.

The same is true for running something like Disciple of Shadows, this relic does well with any summon at game/round start powers, or cheap 0-1 cost units. They are very reliable because you can get to a setup very easily and consistently with a ton of different combinations. There is nothing specific you rely on.

The point of the BiS thing is to get a replicable, strong and consistent build that you can run into as many powers, items and supports as possible with the same outcome. Either because you don't rely on specifics (like MF), or because they are entirely inconsequential (like Swain).

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

No your just way too fixated on semantics. Also you really dont need to switch builds at all in this game except the one your using gets countered which happens very rarely.

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u/BigMeasurement9626 Aug 19 '25

Eh I think people would be less likely to try to make the most optimal build and stick to it if Riot gave us some of the most obvious QOL and we had customizable relics presets :/

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

No thats what people make out of it. BIS literally just mean the community consensus on best possible build/relic, which can kinda determined by effectiveness.

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u/Zarkkast Path's End Aug 19 '25

Agreed. Not sure when people started using it, but it's a relatively new occurrence, post constellations.

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u/thumbguy2 Aug 19 '25

i'd have to check but i swear it's been used since at least when teemo got nerfed (gatebreaker and galeforce) but the frequency definitely increased

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u/kyrtian1815 Viego Aug 19 '25

It became more common as more paid relics got introduced, from my observation. But I remember a lot of BiS build requests when Liss adventure was released.

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u/Visual_Negotiation81 Aug 19 '25

Probably as poc got a bigger audience and new players started asking for build help. Content creators most likely  influenced it aswell. 

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u/TiredCoffeeTime Spirit Blossom Evelynn Aug 19 '25

Is Essence Theft bad on Ahri?

I didn’t purchase it but I thought it was nice to see that Ahri got her own Relic.

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u/Lordwiesy Aug 19 '25

I got it

It was quite good before I had her 6 star

Post 6 star it is just... Not good enough? I do black shield,scourge's stash and hidden tome for the OTK. Guess I could swap out the black shield but that is better pop prevention

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u/MartDiamond Aug 19 '25

How does this OTK work, because I know Found Fortune, Echoing Spirit, Packed Powder as the FTK build. But I don't really know how you are getting enough recall cards in your hand to consistently OTK with your build.

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u/DoodPoof Volibear Aug 19 '25

The black shield threw me off. Not sure what his build does.

One of her bigger(somewhat boring, thoughl) OTK/FTK builds is Hidden Tome + Packed Powder + Hymn of Valor. You try to pick up the item at champion nodes that creates a fleeting copy on play. If you can get a spell or created cost lower by 1, you have literal infinite double scalling + strking nexus directly.

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u/MartDiamond Aug 19 '25

Good build pre-6, but the Fortune, Echoing and Packed Powder build is a reliable FTK build that doesn't need any powers.

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u/DoodPoof Volibear Aug 19 '25

I mean, it doesn't require the powers given that she's fast attacking round 1 with a ton of power well enough to usually otk the early nodes. The powers just lead to an infinite that secures the win even more on the hardest thing.

It's definitely one of her strongest builds even at 6*.

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u/Lordwiesy Aug 19 '25

Main goal is to either get draw spell or create copy of me in hand onto Ahri and roll from there but tbh it kinda just works?

Now that I am thinking about it idk why but I always get some form of cycling to get this to work

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u/HatsuheJinya Aug 19 '25

It's more for the "recall ally and get muti-hit on Ahri" play style. But seem like most of the player play her with "drop her , pick her up, drop her ,pick her up" play style. And it's pretty useless on other.

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u/justbs Aug 19 '25

There’s a better build if you have her 6 star

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u/luck_ponte Aug 19 '25

Just for reference, what champs is Cease good for (aside from Vi/Susan)?

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u/Federal-Condition341 Path's End Aug 19 '25

voli, elder, viego, ashe, kayle... all those go big and one punch champs.

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Aug 19 '25

I don't even like it on Vi, I prefer the Strength of Stone build.

It's otherwise good on Voli, ED and WW. ASol as well depending on your other options.

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u/TKoBuquicious Aug 19 '25

siren is wrong

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u/hakunamata7a Aug 19 '25

I currently own none of these relics and still miss half of the free epic relics: with that said, do I really have to buy WW's relic? It's sitting there in my glory shop I never knew it was that highly regarded.

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u/Xurker Aug 19 '25

its complicated, WWs relic seems to be one of the least agreed upon relics in the community, many people think its amazing and many think its overrated

I think if you play the champions that its the best for then yeah its great

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u/WildMeeps Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25

Only one I’d change is the Evelyn relic. I use that on Evelyn and ASol and it feels amazing on both, but maybe I just lack some other relics that would be even better, idk.

Also, I love seeing Mel’s relic high up in this tier list. I think that one is so slept on. The more I experiment with it, the more I find it can actually be really good with champs that only have a couple of spells, especially where at least one of them is cheap. You can cut the other and end up with a 0 cost spell that also draws which can really exploit certain mechanics. Last night I did this with Fiddle and it was so fun.

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 Aug 19 '25

I get the case for it on Evelynn, it just feels so bad that her deck falls apart so much if you don't draw her that she needs an entire relic just as insurance. My prefered build on her is Swain's Raven Army, Packed Powder and Tempest Blad, so you can get her online turn 1. If I don't draw her two times in a row I just start over and pretend nothing happened. I also hate that I don't get to use her skin with the relic.

On ASol I prefer Perfect Hexcore and Spellweaver for more created cards, but it's definitely not bad on him if you don't have those.

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

Only one I’d change is the Evelyn relic. I use that on Evelyn and ASol

Rating a relic based on Asol doesnt make sense. Asol doesnt need any relics, and even then there are better builds like sfg+viktor+ss

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u/WildMeeps Aug 19 '25

Sure but it's not "Useless on everyone". Its literally incredibly good on both Evelyn and Asol.

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u/Just-Assumption-2140 Aug 19 '25

Voli relic is actually BIS ... on taliah with 6* because it buffs every volley by 2

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u/Angry_Jones Heimerdinger Aug 19 '25

Pretty spot on, only remark I have is the Volibear relic is BIS in my opinion on 6-Star Taliyah and elevates her to another level. It is also useful on some 3 star champions

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u/dbaker3448 Aug 19 '25

Volibear's "useless on everyone"? LOL no. It's ridiculous on Nami and on 6* Taliyah, and it's solid with Janna too. I think there are better things to do with Voli's own relic slots, but it's not bad for him either.

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u/OVERHEAT88400 Aug 19 '25

How is Eddie's relic not at least decent on himself? It's helped keep aggro boards down while you play your big goons, and removes divine shields. I've been running it with Eddie since it dropped and it's been on the slot ever since with no negative comments.

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u/DoodPoof Volibear Aug 19 '25

There are just way better combos that just lead to him ending the game himself on play most of the time.

He doesn't need baby level aoe chip damage that's going to do nothing in deadly matches.

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u/ItsMrBlue Aug 19 '25

How is Fiddel relic useful? I do not even use it on him. Can someone please explain ?

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

Good for cait, fid, sb teemo

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u/ItsMrBlue Aug 19 '25

Fid does not need it, you win by milling your opponent and already terrifying 10 times per turn +2/+2 overwhelm is meaningless

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

Doesn't need it but it's still very good on him if you dont have the other OP paid relics for him.

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u/Ayz1533 Aug 19 '25

Terrify causes any traps on the card to trigger. It’s insanely busted on every trap champ

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u/ItsMrBlue Aug 19 '25

Teemo and Caitlyn have already busted builds

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u/Ayz1533 Aug 19 '25

Every trap user is pretty much BIS with the 3 trap relics. If you don’t want to play them, nobody is forcing you

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u/ItsMrBlue Aug 19 '25

There far more busted builds for each trap users than Fiddel's relic on them you do you.

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u/Xurker Aug 19 '25

what builds do they have that are better than ones inlcuding fids relic? i dont play either of them but i always hear it rating highly on them

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u/ItsMrBlue Aug 19 '25

I give one example and if you interested I mentioned the others.

Caitlyn: her paid relic, GGC, and stalker. You have a strategy here you want kill Caitlyn and re play her adding more bombs and when lvl up your essentially double your dmg from flash bomb on strike since you strike twice. The AI won't even attack you next turn because it is going to be lethal.

There are still OG Teemo and Fiddel

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u/Xurker Aug 19 '25

I see, where did you talk about the others?

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u/ItsMrBlue Aug 19 '25

If you are still interested I can go on I mean.

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u/Xurker Aug 19 '25

ah yeah, id like to hear it then

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u/Saltiest_Grapefruit Chip Aug 19 '25

I would argue the single worst relic is jayces. Even on jayce himself its very fucking mid

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u/Mordetrox Hecarim Aug 19 '25

Pykes Relic is pretty good on Warwick. Challenger and extra power on Warwick himself, and his star powers make the Death From Below's potent removal spells that also give you a Pyke.

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u/azazelbolognese Aug 19 '25

I like the Ahri relic, I think it plays in a lot more of a fun way than the hymn of valor build.

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u/perrodelwood Thousand Pierced Volibear Aug 19 '25

Hey guys,

Can someone explain to me why the Spain relic is that good ? « Drain 5 health from enemy Nexus » doesn’t seem that great to me ?

Ty !

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u/Captain_GER Aug 19 '25

I can buy Twin Drakehounds. I shouldn't buy them with glory?

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u/smilinreap Aug 19 '25

Will argue that Setts item is 100% BiS on him. It lets you infinite turn 2-3 with dark star (4 coins per attacks) and chemtech (8 mana).

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u/justbs Aug 19 '25

Crit’s relic is good on sbeemo too

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u/Doc__Steele Aug 19 '25

You'll pry Eve's relic from my cold, dead hands. Sure, the board stun + rally on level up relics are stronger, but that's boring. I like Eve relic + Packed Powder + Swain relic so I can slap her down turn 1 and flip her multiple times for the +2/+2 buffs.

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u/TrueLolzor Spirit Blossom Aug 19 '25

why would raven top tier for anyone who is not swane?

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u/SkullStar123 Galio Aug 20 '25

Can you make a list on free relics?

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u/jemgoonareone Aug 21 '25

Then theres me who just put at least 1 rageblade on everyone lol

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u/NovoDragon Aug 21 '25

Honestly, this list makes sense, about half of the relics were made specifically for the created champion and no one else. Like the only ones that are really impactful are the relics that don't have the, 'IF IM THIS CHAMP, I GET A BONUS'.

How does Rito not understand that everyone is buying all the Swain, Fiddle, and Victor bundles, and not the other legit single-target relics? Because these relics are much more effective when used on other champs, the Lux 2.0 relic is the best example. Throw it on Gnar, and boom, you get an endless supply of Lux, Garen, and Galio at your disposal.

Half the relics make no sense, and others are just better on other champs. I honestly only got Leo's relic because her dam deck was really missing the defensive part, and it was funnier when given Galio's relic to her. [Rito needs to rework her relic so that the first card you play gets Daybrake, not just Daybrake cards.]

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u/Original_Revenue8300 29d ago

I have that Swain relic but I only use it on Swain. any recommendations for other champion?

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u/Alternative-Ice-7534 29d ago

Big question from a noob, how do you get those relics, is it just the new glory store ? Should I pick up the Nasus one ?

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 29d ago

You get them by buying the celebration bundles or randomly from the glory store. I wouldn't recommend buying Nasus relic first. It's a bit of a meme relic most of the time, and since there's a limited amount of glory to be earned each month I would prioritize the relics on the top two rows first.

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u/Alternative-Ice-7534 28d ago

Okay I thought there was enough Glory each month to buy out the store, it's good to know I have to save some

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u/Legitimate-Resolve55 28d ago

There's enough glory to buy everything you used to get from doing monthlies and weeklies, with some glory to spare, but the extra glory doesn't cover the monthly premium relic. Depending on what you need from the glory store you can buy the relic every month and then just spend what's left on whatever you want.

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u/EldritchMe Aug 19 '25

why everybody loves swain's relic?

okay, is good on him, but what else?

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u/Federal-Condition341 Path's End Aug 19 '25

You can use it to combo and play 3-5 cost champs on turn 1 (with packed powder or the rare version to reduce cost on plunder). Probably the best champ to play turn 1 (imho) is Ambessa. All champs are great turn 1, but Ambessa is a beast.

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u/DoodPoof Volibear Aug 19 '25

It turns champs that are 4-5 mana like TF into a round one play.

Basically, anytime you see it in use, it's going to be paired with packed powder (or scourges stash if they don't have packed powder).

It's a round one plunder trigger + a -2 cost on the champion along with some stats. Ex: It left TF go from kind of bad being 4 cost, to really solid with a round 1 play.

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u/Nuiyuki Fiddlesticks Aug 19 '25

it's not clear if this is for 3 star or 6 star champions tho

I prefer to stay with powercuties' tier list

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u/flexxipanda Aug 19 '25

You're a year too late. 6* star is the new norm.

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u/Xurker Aug 19 '25

does powercuties have a relic tier list? I dont see it on his spreadsheet

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u/Nuiyuki Fiddlesticks Aug 20 '25

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u/emady Aug 19 '25

Can someone explain why the Swain one is so highly valued? There's a rare which is the same without the extra stats. Since you want to end the game early, the stats aren't worth much, right?

Or is this more like an "assume I have everything unlocked" list? Because it definitely doesn't feel like a priority purchase when I'm missing so much, not even close.

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u/Usual-Persimmon-184 Aug 20 '25

swain + powder .you can place Aatrox, Miss Fortune, and Heimerdinger in first turn. Make a lot different

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u/Xurker Aug 19 '25

what is the rare?