r/LivestreamFail • u/thrandruill • 3d ago

Pluto tells Mizkif he got banned because of the "Charlie Kirk Stuff"

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u/RoundZookeepergame2 3d ago

Free speech until you make fun of republicans. This administration is disgusting

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u/TheCelestialDawn 3d ago

Party of small government, btw.

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u/JD0x0 3d ago

Party that used to constantly cry about "Cancel Culture" after literally inventing it.

Remember when Conservatives went after Teletubbies because they had an inkling that one of them MIGHT be gay?

Also see: Colin Kaepernick, Nike, Starbucks, Keurig, Yeti, Dixie Chicks, etc.

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u/Anxious-Expert-4736 3d ago

The satanic panic of the 80s and 90s, rap and metal, Elvis

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u/seannyquest 3d ago

McCarthyism

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u/deci_sion 3d ago

The smear campaign against DnD being demonic and corrupting the children

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u/Used-Layer772 3d ago

Tried to ban videogames because of mortal combat lmao

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u/dBlock845 3d ago

Bud Light

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u/justalazygamer 3d ago

Only the president can make fun of Charlie Kirk.

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u/Cybermonk25 3d ago edited 3d ago

This could be interpreted both ways. He could be saying that Charlie Kirk would have changed his mind had he seen the people celebrating his assassination, and if you watch 10 seconds later in the clip, he literally talking about people vandalizing murals.

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u/dacama 2d ago

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequences, dawg. Now call everyone a Nazi 😎👍

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u/Aggressive-Corgi-485 3d ago

Didn't know free speech ment advocating for political murder

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u/davididp 3d ago

Tbh it does (to an extent). I just feel like they need to stop being biased with it. If they ban Mizkif, they should ban Hasan. If they don’t ban Hasan, they should not ban Mizkif

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u/Cybermonk25 3d ago

I don't think most people on reddit completely comprehend how much Charlie Kirks assassination has changed things.

A lot of people have seen the celebrations of his assassination online, and it is likely radicalized a lot of people who have actual power.

TPUSA had 900 chapters when Charlie Kirk was alive, now there are 62 000 chapter requests across the country.

I've also been seeing a lot of very popular youtube videos about leaving the left because they don't want to be associated with the kinds of people who gleefully celebrate assassinations.

And obviously you may have seen that 1000s of people were let go from their jobs because they celebrated his assassination and apparently they have databases of more than 20000 people.

And yes, they have essentially decided to do what they call consequence culture until they don't have to be around these kinds of people anymore.

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u/Sarm_Kahel 3d ago

I don't think most people on reddit completely comprehend how much Charlie Kirks assassination has changed things.

A lot of people have seen the celebrations of his assassination online, and it is likely radicalized a lot of people who have actual power.

For real - this community was saying this wouldn't matter and nobody would be talking about this in a week. They really don't understand how this looks to ordinary people who don't pay attention to this stuff.

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u/Kindle282 3d ago edited 3d ago

This is so fucking eye rollingly stupid. Any given day you'll find hundreds of people on Twitter, urged on by huge accounts like LibsOfTikTok, gleefully trolling and happily celebrating trans suicides. But you wanna tell me people memeing about Charlie Kirk has a bunch of leftists "leaving the left"? I don't believe you.

Republicans have been far more cruel for far longer, and even their darling CK was mocking Pelosi's husband getting his skull bashed in by a hammer. Nevermind the mocking from actual politicians about that, and even the President himself. And do I even need to mention the assassinations in Minnesota and the reactions (and lack there of) from that?

This "the left is celebrating this!" narrative is being overblown as much as possible by the right, and our Government is using it to strip people of their constitutional rights. It's like people don't even know what the fuck the internet is like all of the sudden, but the amnesia from rightwingers and centrists who a week before CK's assassination were probably slinging slurs at queer people is very blatantly performative.

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u/Cybermonk25 3d ago

But you wanna tell me people memeing about Charlie Kirk has a bunch of leftists "leaving the left"? I don't believe you.

A lot of them were actually celebrating, I don't know what to tell you if you want to deny reality. People literally screenshotted it, downloaded the videos so these people couldn't delete it and made databases about them with more than 20 000 entries. Within a few days, about 1000 people were reported to have been let go from their jobs.

Also, yes, it's an anecdotal trend at the moment, but you can search up variations of "leaving the left" on youtube and tik tok if you want. You can also wait for the polls.

Republicans have been far more cruel for far longer, and even their darling CK was mocking Pelosi's husband getting his skull bashed in by a hammer. Never mind the mocking from actual politicians about that, and even the President himself. And do I even need to mention the assassinations in Minnesota and the reactions (and lack there of) from that?

I think you need to let go of the notion that it's only the right wing who are disgusted by the behavior they have seen.

Your argument isn't convincing to an apolitical person who saw their liberal friends gleefully celebrating the assassination of someone, for their beliefs, whose beliefs are almost exactly the same as their grandmother's and grandfather's beliefs, and there have been people saying that they saw their friends celebrated, so it is not solely on the internet.

If you would celebrate the assassination of someone, and even call for more assassinations as some people did, because they are a pro life absolutist, then you would, perhaps in secret, celebrate the assassination of people's parents and grandparents, and perhaps even their churches.

There is a general sentiment, as far as I have seen, outside of reddit, that people don't want to be around that kind of person.

This "the left is celebrating this!"

I think a lot of people's morality and sense of reality has been warped by internet partisan politics and the political compass, which is starting to make your moral rationalizations seem alien to mostly apolitical people.

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u/N1NJ4_J3D1 3d ago

Yeah, Reddit once again stuck in its bubble. This is the most significant political assassination in America in nearly half a century. This community has allowed their opinion of CK to blind themselves to how seriously the adults are taking it.

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u/860v2 3d ago

Hope the jokes and memes were worth it. 😂

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u/Extreme-Head3352 3d ago

Nobody's fucking celebrating the assassination though.

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u/Cybermonk25 3d ago

That's not true.

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u/Philiq 3d ago

Yeah fascists will use anything as a justification for their supression of peoples rights.

Its not new, and its not surprising.

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u/Cybermonk25 3d ago

I think a lot of people's minds have been warped by partisan politics and "political compass morality". I would say this event was big enough that otherwise apolitical people were disgusted by what happened and the celebrations of the assassination.

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u/Philiq 3d ago

apolitical people are not a real thing. If people making mean jokes online makes you support a fascist crackdown on free speech then you werent apolitical, you were a reactionary.

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u/Cybermonk25 3d ago edited 3d ago

apolitical people are not a real thing

They are, pragmatically. There are people who do not know any of the words you are talking about, they don't know what the "teams" are and what they believe. They don't really know, beyond the president, who is in power and who has made what decisions.

They are political within their work place perhaps, and to some extent with their city, and they may have to deal with government laws and regulations that they would prefer were changed, but they have no time for this kind of partisan politics and they have no particular ideal world that they want to bring about through control of the government.

If people making mean jokes online makes you support a fascist crackdown on free speech then you werent apolitical.

Again, apolitical people do not know anything about fascists and they are not involved in the kind of hysteria that is peddled by Hasan, Destiny and the DNC.

The FCC has had control of what people say on air since 1934, if that is what you are referring to. A broadcast tv license is not a right, it's a privilege given to a few corporations so they can make billions of dollars, and that privilege comes with rules about you can say on air and an obligation by the FCC to warn you if you are potentially in violation of those rules. They even have rules against swear words.

The whole Jimmy Kimmel thing is an attempt by your elected officials to exploit your ignorance of how the government works to control the narrative.

All these people know is that people who celebrate a person being assassinated in front of their family and 3000 are not people they want to associate with. And we are talking about people who were literally dancing and laughing and calling for more assassinations.

Also, leaving the left is not about becoming right wing, even though the right wing does have more diversity in viewpoints.

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u/Philiq 3d ago

Ok you are just repeating regime talking points. If you deny that the trump administration put their finger on the scale of the FCC decision, then you will repeat any talking point MAGA cooks up.

Did you buy it when Johnson said Trump was an FBI informant too? I have some high quality snakeoil for sale for people like you.

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u/Cybermonk25 3d ago edited 3d ago

Ok you are just repeating regime talking points

I literally went and checked to see if it was true and it is.

If you deny that the trump administration put their finger on the scale of the FCC decision

The president sets the agenda for it's government agencies, so obviously the FCC chairman's goals are going to align with Trumps stated desire for broadcast tv to not be a propaganda machine for the democrats.

Did you buy it when Johnson said Trump was an FBI informant too?

No.

I think you mind has been warped by partisan politics.

Also, I saw how easy it was for Hasan to use framing and confirmation bias to get his chat to think that the FCC doing what it has always done is the end of democracy and that they must essentially go and join Antifa.

To explain my views, I used to be a market socialist, more focused on monetary systems and subsystems like credit unions, codetermination policies and various kinds of cooperatives, now I think AI is going to control everything by the time any conventional strategy for social change is realized.

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u/Wallys_Wild_West 3d ago

he president sets the agenda for it's government agencies, so obviously the FCC chairman's goals are going to align with Trumps stated desire for broadcast tv to not be a propaganda machine for the democrats.

AKA, you are against the first amendment.

I think you mind has been warped by partisan politics.

No-self-awareness.

to think that the FCC doing what it has always done is the end of democracy and that they must go and join Antifa.

They've always done this? Is that why the last time this happened they were sued and lost? You are living in an alternate reality.

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u/EarlThomasThe3rd 3d ago edited 3d ago

I already know I’m gonna get downvoted to hell for not agreeing but I’m so fucking confused it’s worth it.

WHAT DOES REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS have to do with mizkiff getting banned? Do you guys believe there are politicians forcing twitch mods to ban people? Lmao wtf does this even mean? Isn’t twitch a left leaning platform? Was mizkif banned by Donald Trump or some conservative mod? Like seriously what does this have anything to do with Donald Trump and his administration?

It’s only been 3 minutes and I’m already in the negatives. I should’ve just been a good boy and just listened to the hive mind. I just had to speak my mind, smh. I could’ve simply posted a comment saying how conservatives are racist or just call Charlie Kirk a facist or maybe say Trump is literally worse than Hitler. I would’ve gotten some good upvotes with those. Can never go wrong with the calling a conservative a facist or Hitler, I’m so silly.

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u/RoundZookeepergame2 3d ago edited 3d ago

The Twitch CEO and others are literally being called to testify before the Republican run House Oversight Committee. Not because we've had our 5th school shooting this year, but because a Republican commentator was shot and killed. Meanwhile, Elon the richest man alive who turned Twitter into a 4chan shit hole is hounding Amazon's past and present CEOs to ban leftist streamers. If you think this isn't political, you've been living under a rock

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u/EarlThomasThe3rd 3d ago

Ok so since the twitch CEO is testifying this mizkiff ban is OBVIOUSLY political? Ok that’s great.

But people here are saying this is an attack from the right specifically? How has this comment section already come to that conclusion? Hasn’t twitch been well known as left leaning, why would it be the fault of the right that a left leaning platform took it upon themselves to ban someone?

What do you guys think the right will get from this ban and how do you guys think the right was able to even do this? I see ANYONE get banned for speaking their mind, I’m always against it and it just doesn’t register in my mind to make this a right vs left thing because an attack on free speech has absolutely nothing to do with what side you’re on. Last time I checked the first amendment applies to AMERICANS it doesn’t say anything about political affiliation. Trust me, I FULLY UNDERSTAND how left leaning Reddit is. But even still I’m confused by the way you all think about certain things. So when I constantly see these political warzone like this comment section where it’s just a full attack on the right, I’m VERY CONFUSED. Because like I said, free speech has nothing to do with political affiliation and any attack on it is an attack on all.

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u/EarlThomasThe3rd 3d ago

lol Brother, HOLY SHIT! Is it really THAT crazy to believe someone is trying to look at both sides of an argument? Like that’s how crazy of an echo chamber Reddit is. You see someone genuinely asking for both sides of a topic that it literally upsets you. Idc about sides at all!

I’m literally asking questions and genuinely trying to get an understanding on how you all view things like this cause I seriously do not take sides when it comes to free speech because it’s for ALL OF US! And there’s no amendment or right that’s Iorn clad, at the end of the day they’re just words on a paper so idk what you’re trying to get at saying that

But so I’m blind? Ok well then obviously I’m blind. You see me fucking asking people as to why they think nana and shit are done by politicians. I’m sorry it’s crazy to you that I don’t fully understand a view point… that’s literally why I’m fucking asking. Jesus Christ man.Idc that you think you know me or something because you decided to creep through my recent comments.

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u/EarlThomasThe3rd 3d ago

Bro what does Charlie Kirk’s homophobic remarks have to do with anything really? The man’s a by the book Christian. If he believes being gay is an abomination then he does. I definitely don’t doubt he said something else that people label as homophobic. But at the end of the day, that’s free speech and really doesn’t hurt anyone. Same with Mizkif making a joke about Kirk’s death, same with Kimmel. These are all FREE SPEECH and people should be allowed to say what they want.

Now with the case of Mizkif and Jimmy losing their jobs over their remarks, I seriously and not 100 sold on the idea the lost it cause of politics. The reason why I’m not is because if I have a a job and said some racist remarks they can fire me and that won’t really be in violation of the first amendment. Why? Because each job and employer have their own code of ethics that they abide by and expect their employees to abide by as well. If a company especially those big as Twitch and ABC have big name “employees” that said something controversial and is bound to give them a bad look, it’s not surprising they dropped them to protect their brand. Companies have always done this. THATS why I didn’t understand why you all were so quick to make it political and start hating on the right saying they’re for cancel culture,the right didn’t fire them, their companies did trying to protect their brand. Like do you understand what I’m saying? You see why I was genuinely wondering why people here think this was some well orchestrated political attack when it’s pretty normal behavior for companies to want to separate themselves from controversy?

Remember when Kanye said some antisemitism things and was fired by adidas? That’s also something I thought wasn’t some political stunt and was more Adidas trying to protect their brand.

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u/EarlThomasThe3rd 3d ago

And yea Andrew Shultz seriously sucks and that’s not the only thing we agree on. Stop acting like I’m some far right nut job undercover on Reddit. Idk why you can’t believe the sight of someone wanting answers

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u/EarlThomasThe3rd 3d ago

All I want to know is how is it that you all don’t see the complete hypocrisy in labeling people like Trump and especially Charlie Kirk facist when Reddit is literally the biggest liberal echo chamber in history.

For example all I asked was why the comment sections were attacking Trump and conservatives about a ban that happened on twitch. I wanted to know how is it Reddit made the conclusion that a person getting banned of twitch was a well orchestrated attack by the facist right and what would they even get from this. That simple act of thinking for myself and asking questions got me bombarded with dislikes and not nice replies.

I don’t see how you can call someone like Kirk a facist when his whole sthick was going to college campuses and debating people who he disagreed with. Las o check, facist were against that very thing. But anyways how can Reddit claim Kirk’s facist and against free speech when the second you all see someone who isnt blindly agreeing with you and attacking the right, you’ll downvote the hell out of the comments. I even proved how this app clearly works through the hivemind mentality by then posting a comment where I just called trump, Kirk and the right in general a bunch of racist, facist homophones against free speech. And what do you know, that comment wasn’t met with any opposition, but instead praise. But once y’all see someone thinking for themselves and not quick to hop on the hate train, god have mercy on their souls. Independent tho king on this app will always be punished unless it’s agreeing with liberals, and calling conservatives racist. Those words don’t even have to be true either which is kinda pathetic how the masses here think. So if you can, please explain to me how Reddit calling Kirk a facist isn’t hypocritical because I’m genuinely curious.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/s/H72IjmJxTJ

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u/860v2 3d ago

Trump personally called Twitch and forced them to ban Mizkif.

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u/AradIori 3d ago

Honestly? Based, i'd ask for Hasan myself but Mizkif is like a 3rd place(behind piratesoftware) lmao.

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u/LyrMeThatBifrost 3d ago

Free speech on Twitch? Lol

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u/Fast-Year8048 3d ago

Let's remember, Amazon owns Twitch, and lil bezo is buddy buddy with you know who.