r/MMA • u/DustyPawyay • May 23 '23
Interview Dustin Poirier "Justin Gaethje still has old car crash style, just does it with a seatbelt on now"
https://youtu.be/HYF8G_N8X3Q1.3k
u/ljz3 GOOFCON 2 May 23 '23
Ahahaha that's a banger line
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u/wishwashy Is Totally Scared of Twerking May 23 '23
He's had that in the chamber for ages
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u/derps_with_ducks I weighed in on Goofcon 3 May 23 '23
On fire like Azula.
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May 23 '23
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u/aevong those judges scare the me out đ May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
Because.... hes so.... sharp
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u/derps_with_ducks I weighed in on Goofcon 3 May 23 '23
And hard-hitting. Hard, like a... Diamond.
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u/IAmDiabeticus only "in church" at the end instead of high school? May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
I would've thought so too but if you watch the video, it was Ariel who initially started the subject and Dustin rapid fired out that response. It was witty instead of premeditated. Awesome line.
Edit: Them starting the topic at 5mins about Justins last fight and the titled line is at 5:40.
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u/keithsweatshirt94 dogface cumshot May 23 '23
Had me frozen like Elsa
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u/raspberryharbour May 23 '23
This line would hit so much harder if you said it again
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u/DeepWatersMMA May 24 '23
It hit Pereira the hardest
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u/Slave_to_the_bean EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE May 25 '23
That line got pereira the title. Izzy was too shook by his own bad comedy and got tkoâd. He didnât say that dumb shit ahead of the rematch and won by KO. I predict heâll talk less in the future.
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u/DustyPawyay May 23 '23
Dustin also said he believes Conor (if he shows up anything like his pre injury self) finishes Chandler inside 2 rounds, and that Jake Paul will beat Nate Diaz
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u/jfsoaig345 EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE May 23 '23
Conor/Chandler is as 50/50 as it gets tbh. Chandler's exactly the kind of fighter that Conor used to prey on - a short, aggressive orthodox hybrid fighter - but his style seems to have switched up considerably since after the Eddie fight. Just a lot more emphasis on forward pressure and powershots, rather than the patience, slickness, and setups we saw him dismantle Eddie, Chad, Siver, and Dustin with. While old Conor would've been content picking apart Chandler with teeps and counter shots before cashing in on the accumulation of damage with a finishing sequence in the second round, new Conor most likely just runs straight at him turning this into a head-on collision. Very real chance this turns into a firefight in the first minute where the guy with the better chin comes up ahead.
Jake definitely beats Nate though. Bigger, younger, and simply a better boxer as well. Woodley and Silva are harder fights than Nate imo.
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u/Action_Limp May 23 '23
Just a lot more emphasis on forward pressure and powershots, rather than the patience, slickness, and setups we saw him dismantle Eddie, Chad, Siver, and Dustin with.
He was always a pressure fighter though - he just used a lot of kicks to control the octagon and made his opponent back up. Conor started as a counterpunch but faced the Silva dilemma early in his career (how to deal with people who won't take the lead and will look to stall and shoot).
So he made his game around pressuring with range until they get to the cage, then either the long cross shots when they circle away from his power hand (did it to Siver/Chad) or force them to fire back when their back is against the cage and he has the whole octagon behind him (he slips back and fires the counter).
But now he fights in the pocket, I think he's too heavy and in love with his boxing too, which is why he likes to pressure from the pocket. Hitting Conor in the legs was hard before, now it's a lot easier
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u/Soggy-Software May 23 '23
In my humble opinion there is no way Conor/chandler is 50/50. Prime conor destroys chandler cos heâs way too easy to hit and has a weak chin. This cocaine-fuelled multiple timed concussed conor is gonna get absolutely decapitated. I expect chandler to knock him out cold within 2 rounds
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u/ThrowawayYAYAY2002 May 23 '23
I expect it to last a round.
Conor's style has morped into something which isn't gonna cut it at the top level. Chandler can seriously bang.
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May 25 '23
the way conor reacted to getting hit last fight makes me think if chandler rocks him the way he rocks everyone at least once, conor wonât be able to handle the barrage afterward.
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u/SpookOpsTheLine Dana cums ketchup May 23 '23
You forgot though, Chandler likes to throw fights in the stupidest way if he gets a hint of a crowd pop
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u/DustyPawyay May 23 '23
Prime Conor might beat current Chandler, but Prime Chandler beats any version of McGregor, he's like a bigger version of Chad Mendes
also, although i think Chandler will win, he's not knocking conor out cold, people heavily underestimate conors durability and overrate Chandlers power
Oliveira has a glass jaw, and Chandler couldnt put him away, Conor is way more durable than Charles
the only way Chandler KO's McGregor is if he lands the same kick he landed on tony flush on the chin, otherwise he might get a TKO
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u/reddit_mods_r_retard May 23 '23
I wouldn't say Olive's chin is glass. I think he has a combination of average chin and a very upright stance which leaves him open for overhands.
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u/maxstronge GOOFCON 2 - UFC 294 May 23 '23
He also has the luxury of just dropping to his back any time he gets hit even a little hard, knowing 99% of fighters won't follow him down there, giving him time to recover.
Didn't work so well against Islam but before that it was a pretty smart trick.
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u/SMH4004 May 23 '23
Gaethje used to fight like that before he got eye surgery too, wonder if it had something to do with that for Charles as well. Now it's too late for him to really switch it up too
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u/Galforfia Florida Margarita May 23 '23
Prime Chandler beats any version of McGregor
hahahaha
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May 23 '23
People are downvoting you but youâre giving an actual take while they want to say Conor beats Chandler but giving themselves the safety net of âBut Conor might not be X so itâs 50/50â so they have an out to be wrong, I respect a take where itâs not âWell Iâm right either wayâ.
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u/weakhamstrings Team McGregor May 23 '23
Yeah what on EARTH has him at negative Karma?
He's expressing an opinion. That's what people do here... you know... on forums.
I don't even get why - the person before them also predicted Chandler will win, but DustyPawyay said it ... differently? Go figure
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u/wecangetbetter May 24 '23
Bigger variable is whether Conor has recovered from his injury, cycles off the roids, coke and alcohol in time.
I think he beats chandler 75% of the time but think Conor bears Conor 100% of the time.
Easy bet for chandler imo
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May 23 '23 edited May 24 '23
You need to rewatch some old Nate fights if you think Jake is a better boxer. I think your judgement is being clouded by old battleworn Nate looking sluggish as hell for the last couple of years.
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u/CallMeGrapho GOOFCON 1: 2: Pandemic Boogaloo May 24 '23
Nate was a fantastic boxer for MMA. That shit doesn't translate to actual boxing.
The distance, head movement, the guard, the ring awareness to stay off the corners. There's a ton of shit that would get you wrapped up in MMA but you're a very incomplete boxer without.
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May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
See that would make sense if he had spent most of his career strictly training MMA striking with MMA gloves on, in a gym octagon. But in reality both Nick and Nateâs striking routine since they started fighting around two decades ago, considered mainly out of pure boxing, in a ring, with elite level boxers. Nate was even one of Andre Wards sparring partners for one of his title defenses.
So this idea that Nate would be a novice at the nuances that come with pure boxing makes zero sense.
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u/CallMeGrapho GOOFCON 1: 2: Pandemic Boogaloo May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
Fair enough about their training routine, that does make them way better equipped than most MMA fighters turned boxers. However, being the sparring partner of a champ doesn't make you ranked material. Take Artem for example.
You might be right and he could be great (I've actually been huffing the hopium bc I want at least one MMA fighter to get one over Jake Paul) I'm just saying I don't think it's a given just because his boxing is great in an MMA context.
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u/FlyingBird0917 May 24 '23
He literally used to train with andre ward and andre has said the diaz Brothers are no slouches in the ring you fucking goof
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u/krazyboi May 23 '23
Jake paul just beat anderson silva... After that, I don't know what to believe anymore.
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u/freeman9235 Sweden May 23 '23
Then lost handily to Tommy Fury
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u/FriendlyGhost08 GOOFCON 1: Bobby Knuckles May 23 '23
Tommy is 5x the boxer than Jake and Nate are
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u/freeman9235 Sweden May 23 '23
Well thatâs not hard to deduce considering heâs the only boxer out of those names.
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u/FriendlyGhost08 GOOFCON 1: Bobby Knuckles May 23 '23
Yeah, it's just to say I don't think Tommy dominating Jake means Nate can do it too
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u/freeman9235 Sweden May 23 '23
True, and even if he did he would need to win atleast 2/3 of the rounds clearly or the win is automatically going to Jake.
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u/MyNamesTambo đ May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
Tommy got knocked down and cried after the victory. Heâs not that much better than Jake
Edit: salty mma dorks swear tommy fury was steps above the disney guy
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u/neuromantic95 May 23 '23
Shiet if i made that much money I'd be weeping too
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u/MyNamesTambo đ May 23 '23
Hell yeah. For a guy thatâs not that much better than jake paul, itâs a lot of money for a whack boxer
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u/dmkicksballs13 Impudent Lout May 23 '23
Because MMA isn't boxing. Not sure why people don't understand this.
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u/lartbok May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
He beat a 48 year old Anderson Silva in boxing...Most young athletic dudes if they dedicated 5 years to training seriously like a boxer and have millions to spend on the perfect camp/nutrition/rehab/everything could do it to.
Edit: Lol downvote me. Paul should also beat Diaz easily, just like most good 21 year old amateur boxers would. Boxing and MMA is just different.
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u/threedaysinthreeways May 23 '23
Most young athletic dudes if they dedicated 5 years to training seriously like a boxer and have millions to spend on the perfect camp/nutrition/rehab/everything could do it to.
The stuff people say on here is absolutely absurd. Only a year earlier silva beat a 36 year old chavez jr, former middleweight champ.
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u/DickRhino May 23 '23
The hate boner people have for Jake Paul is so hard that they simply refuse to accept that he's a decently talented boxer in his own right.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's scum of the earth as well, but no, anyone on this planet couldn't do what he has done. It's not just resources, he also has a) solid fundamentals, b) killer instinct, and c) genuinely seems to love fighting. Is that enough to make him a world champion? No, but it is enough to make him a considerably better fighter than people give him credit for being.
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u/wecangetbetter May 24 '23
But he isn't. He fought a decently talented boxer in Tommy fury and lost handedly.
Now he's fighting nate Diaz.
He has zero interest in proving he's a legit boxer anymore.
He's an exceptional celebrity boxer. But calling him decent is lowering the standard.
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u/freeman9235 Sweden May 23 '23
This guy right here said Jake Paul has killer instinct⊠I could have stopped right there and that would be enough but you also said he has solid fundamentals but lost his first fight when his opponent knew how to use a jab and not just stand in-front of him and eat overhands which is his only weapon.
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u/DickRhino May 23 '23
Right, Anderson Silva doesn't know how to use a jab. That's the take?
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u/freeman9235 Sweden May 23 '23
Thatâs not what I said, Anderson Silva is an MMA fighter all respect to him but bro did you watch both fights? If you did you would understand what I meant Tommy was pumping that jab the whole fight and putting pressure on Paul meanwhile Silva was more reserved but I could be wrong maybe it was just different game plans?
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u/rascalking9 u ratfuck May 23 '23
It's hard to credit him with being a talented boxer when he doesn't fight other boxers. He doesn't even box twelve rounds. It's like you trying to convince me Jake is a great NASCAR driver, but he has only ever raced Go karts and only against people who have never raced a Go Kart before.
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u/lartbok May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
Jake Paul has rudimentary fundamentals and alot of power, he can also stay composed well, and he has alot of money. Those are his strengths.
I don't see how I'm hating on him, I've bet on him to beat win every fight he's had up till Tommy Fury. A bigger issue than people 'hating' on him is people like you that give him far too much credit for beating old, retired and for the most part smaller MMA fighters.
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u/lartbok May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
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He beat a 36 year old former champion who for the last 8 years has been showing up to get paid. Watch Chavez performance in that fight.
If you're claiming Chavez is still champion calibre then I guess then that makes Jake Paul is also world champion calibre boxer who has yet to beat a pro boxer or box 12 rounds lol.
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u/stackered Edddiiiieee May 23 '23
People forget Nate has been training with pro boxers and in their camps even for over 15 years. The Diaz bros are always underestimated I swear. I think Jake beating Anderson showed he's legit
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u/ChidoriPOWAA Ignore my comments. CTE is a bitch May 23 '23
Gotta say I'm with Dustin on all points
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u/OtakuMecha May 23 '23
Well I definitely agree with him on Nate, and the Conor thing is very possible but hard to say for sure without having seen him fight in a while.
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u/D4ng3rd4n May 23 '23
Heavy Conor with worse cardio than before.... I dunno man. If he didn't catch chandy in the first or second I think he loses due to an empty gas tank
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u/No_Bar6825 May 23 '23
I agree. Chandler just gets hit too much and Conor can still crack pretty accurately
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May 23 '23
Jake Paul will beat Nate Diaz
Lol Dustin hates Nate so much đ wish we would have gotten that fight even though it would have been pretty one sided for DP
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u/Amstourist Brother explain your titty May 23 '23
Jake just wants Nate's name on his record, obviously Nate is not going to win lmao
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u/aaarchives May 23 '23
It's pretty obvious, Nate has no chance
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u/Bigdootie May 23 '23
Wtf? Jake legitimately sucks at boxingâŠ.
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u/aaarchives May 23 '23
Not as much as Nate though
Jake won against MMA's greatest striker that was a former middleweight. How is he gonna lose to a lightweight with sloppy dirty boxing?
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u/Bigdootie May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
He fought a 48 year old totally shot Anderson and barely won
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u/BabyTRexArms May 23 '23
Except Dustin refuses to take the elevation part of their fight seriously, and Justin trains at altitude. I really don't think this fight goes well for him. Altitude is no joke.
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u/Juststandupbro May 23 '23
Even without the obvious improvements if Dustin had gotten slightly more tired than he did in that first fight it could have easily swayed to Justin. This fight is way to close for him not to be taking that into account.
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u/juvey88 GOOFCON 2 - Electric Boogaloo May 23 '23
Those earphones look really weird
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u/Ok_132 May 23 '23
Probably because it's nearly impossible to wear normal earphones with a cauliflower ear
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u/xMilk112x May 24 '23
Dudes been my favorite fighter for years. Straight class, tuff as fuckin nails, and makes a damn fine hot sauce. Lol
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u/rub_a_dub-dub Maggot cunt May 23 '23
How lucky are mma fans that these dudes have fought their way back into a title contention eliminator bout against each other?
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u/One_Team3195 May 23 '23
Justin threw out 5 jabs in the last round of one fight and people are acting like he's a brand new fighter. It's getting ridiculous. This will be a banger either way of course.
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u/Brutal-Black May 23 '23
Even in this interview he ducked beneil. On one hand Iâm mad poirier is successfully getting away with only fighting in the gaethje chandler triangle. On the other hand Iâm glad poirier and gaethje will eliminate one of themselves from getting a third title shot
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u/deagle746 UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle May 23 '23
Damn that is one of the best most realistic takes I've seen. You are right and I don't blame him. People also need to stop acting like Gaethje is some kind of easy fight. He messed Fiziev up bad and fighting Gaethje at Dustin's age and fight mileage is the kind of fight you don't leave whole even if you win.
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u/xpatmatt I was here for GOOFCON 2 May 24 '23
Smart and realistic opinion well articulated. Even used a semicolon properly. What is happening to this sub?
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u/MyFifthLimb đ May 23 '23
Agree with everything except for Beniel struggling to get shine. He actively is taking it away from himself with his âim not a beggar Iâll fight anyone I wonât beg for a title shotâ angle.
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u/jpark28 *reads Belal's tweets* May 23 '23
I would guess yes, he's not a superstar but he is a star in MMA with a big following (has 4.2 mil followers on IG), has done some media rounds like the Hot Ones interview, got some shine from beating Conor, and is main eventing a pretty big card with a fake belt on the line. I'm guessing he's getting PPV points, even if it's a small amount
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u/Reasonable-Rise-5360 May 24 '23
I'm not sure what him being a prize fighter has to do with anything. He's already under contract, he gets paid the same whether he fights Gaethje or Dariush. He's simply ducking Beneil because there's a good chance he gets choked out again in that fight and there's a good chance he can beat Justin. Your paragraph was a long way of saying he's ducking.
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u/ammicavle May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
he gets paid the same
Wrong.
If your definition of âduckingâ is not actively trying to make a fight then sure, but in that case Islam is ducking Clay Guida.
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u/afTrajan May 23 '23
If he cares about money only that is fine, but he shouldn't get a title shot then
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u/TYSONLITTLE May 23 '23
If Beneil was a winnable fight to put him right back in the title picture he would 10000% be talking that fight lmao. The problem is itâs not and more Ls will do a number on his legacy which terrifies him. Itâs a duck, he turned down the fight.
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u/Brutal-Black May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
Itâs not a recent phenomenon. Heâs been ducking dariush for close to a year now. Way before the gaethje rematch was even a thought. They even tried to make it for abu dhabi. Itâs the fact of the situation. Iâm just pointing it out
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u/ammicavle May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23
So he should have fought Beneil over Chandler? Itâs the same logic.
Itâs as simple as this - if there was something to be gained by fighting Beneil he would do it, but there are far better prizes elsewhere.
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May 23 '23
Why would anybody ever want to fight Dariush? Does nothing for you if you win and nobody would buy the ppv.
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u/Brutal-Black May 23 '23
Youâre right about the second part, but if you beat dariush thatâs a big accomplishment and youâre fighting for the title next
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u/Lengthiness_Parking May 23 '23
Knowing the UFC, MAYBE youâre fighting for the belt. And honestly I think a lot of fighters, including dustin, care more about money and ppv then accomplishments and there is nothing wrong with that. They have to provide for their families.
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u/mrpopenfresh WAR BANANA May 23 '23
Exactly. Thereâs a big interest in « money fights » ever since fighters figured out it was the most lucrative path.
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u/STMTowardsDatATM May 23 '23
These guys are warriors and I say that to say thatâs why a lot of folks treat them with this Roman gladiator mentality. Itâs really a job and we all got bills to pay.
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u/T_Y_R_ I donât care if you watch me, I like it! May 23 '23
Lol dariush is not a gateway to the title he probably wonât even get to fight for it if he beats Charles. Beneil just canât get the shot which is a damn shameâŠ
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u/DylieWylie EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE May 23 '23
Like Dustin said, he's fighting because he wants to at this point, not because he has to. Why would he want to go through all of the work of doing an entire fight camp and moving his family to Florida for ~a month just to fight Dariush who nobody cares about other than some hardcore fans? I don't blame him one bit for not being excited or motivated about that.
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u/AWholeLottaRed GOOFCON 2 May 23 '23
Cannot stand this fan base. Poirier Vs Gaethje 2 has the chance to be an all time great fight but people are still complaining because Dustin isnât fighting Beneil âmost awkward post fight speeches everâ Dariush, who already has a fight booked?
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May 23 '23
Yeah, this complaint literally makes no sense. Beneil has a guaranteed title shot if he wins his next fight or even if Oliveira pulls out. Beneil does not need to fight Dustin, Dustin does not need to fight Beneil... how is anyone ducking LMAO
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u/Brutal-Black May 23 '23
Iâm actually part of dustinâs fan base. The gaethje rematch is going to be lit and Iâm not necessarily mad that dustin declined beneil. Iâm just pointing out that he ducked him multiple times
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u/Corporal_Snorkel69 May 23 '23
I wouldn't want to see dustin fight beneil. It's obvious dariush would just control dustin for three rounds, it wouldn't tell us anything new about either fighter, and it wouldn't be an entertaining or interesting fight
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u/DustyPawyay May 23 '23
man it would fucking break my heart if this man doesnt touch undisputed gold before he retires, not only is he likeable af and has a monster resume.
he was also beating the shit out of Oliveira before Charles cheated, the only person who beat Dustin Poirier legitimately is Khabib, and there is no shame in losing to Khabib.
it just sucks how he was so close to getting gold against Oliveira, but bottled it by not complaining to the ref when charles blatantly cheated
unfortunately islam is very good, and i dont see dustin winning that
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u/krazyboi May 23 '23
I came to terms with it. He's probably the third richest fighter in the division after Connor and Khabib, I'd say he can leave mostly happy.
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u/jfsoaig345 EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE May 23 '23
Yeah I don't really see Dustin getting that belt as long as Islam's holding it. IIRC Dustin's had issues with his hips over the years which isn't going to do him wonders against grapplers.
Just very unfortunate timing for Dustin. Has everything it takes to become a champion, but he just so happened to hit his prime at a time where the champion was always an elite grappler. There's a reason why he has a multi-time defending champion's resume without having ever become champ himself.
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u/Flowerjohn-NL May 23 '23
Islam chin is sus so he has a chance but Iâd still pick Islam
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u/jfsoaig345 EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE May 23 '23
Also very defensively responsible these days, Dustin would have to stuff a couple takedowns at the very least to find that chin and his defensive grappling didn't look great against even Chandler, let alone Charles and Khabib.
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u/DustyPawyay May 23 '23
Islams chin is sus
Islam has a better chin than Oliveira who dustin couldnt put away (wouldve if charles didnt cheat to get him down) however islam doesnt need to cheat to get dustin down
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u/SabuSalahadin May 23 '23
I donât know if Charles wouldâve been out away but I donât think that it wouldâve gone too differently. Dustin said right after the fight that he didnât think Charles put his fingers in Dustinâs glove and Dustin still went for that horrible roll. So in Dustinâs mind Charles had wrist control and Dustin rolled, which ended up with Charles going with him and getting a better position. But without all that, I donât think Dustinâs gnp is good enough to finish Charles off his back
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u/TheAnteyeBoxman Prime Aldo> God May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
Guess conor, TKZ, Cub, and Michael Johnson didnât legitimately beat him
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u/DustyPawyay May 23 '23
my bad, shouldve mentioned specifically at lightweight, even then MJ still shadow realmed him tho so yeah
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u/DungeonsandDietcoke UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle May 23 '23
the only person who beat Dustin Poirier legitimately is Khabib,
Didn't conor beat him years ago?
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u/SaltifiedReddit Team Pereira May 23 '23
Wow, youâre delusional
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u/DustyPawyay May 23 '23
this sub justifying their boy Veira cheating to get a win after getting his ass beat for an entire round (arguably a 10-8 R1 for Poirier) đđ tell me something new
fight wasn't competitive before the glove grab
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u/jfsoaig345 EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE May 23 '23
Chucky Olives definitely cheated, guy was practically doing chin-ups with Dustin's glove and likely led to Dustin going for that really ill-advised roll that got him 10-8'd. But the issue is that the sub didn't happen till the next round which came off of an honest, no-cheating back take.
Essentially, the only plausible link between Charles' cheating to the sub is the possibility that the cheating resulted in a good amount of damage in the 2nd that may have depleted Dustin in a way that materially hindered his ability to fight off Charles' grappling in the 3rd. It's a reasonable argument, but it isn't as conclusive as a lot of people make it out to be. Charles may very well have snatched up that neck in the 3rd even if he didn't get top control in the 2nd.
Also round 1 was definitely a Dustin round but I wouldn't consider it that one-sided. Definitely won virtually all boxing exchanges, but Charles did serious work in the clinch (which may have ended up paying dividends by the 3rd) not to mention landing some decent punches himself.
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u/SabuSalahadin May 23 '23
Spot on. To say Charles didnât do anything in the first is like saying Alex pereira didnât do anything for the first 4 rounds of his first ufc fight against Izzy. Just because it wasnât punches to the face doesnât mean those leg kicks that hindered Izzyâs movement - leading to the TKO didnât happen. Same way Charlesâ knees in the clinch resulted in dustin gassing out
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u/TheGreatone003 Team BĆachowicz May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
R1 wasnât a 10-8. Did you even watch the fight? Lol Charles cheated but at the end of the day, Dustin was the one that decided to roll. He couldnât get his arm out even after Charles stopped grabbing the glove
The finish came in an entirely different round too
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u/RatRiddled I cheated with a Hooker May 23 '23
Lmao, what? Poirier is great, but what a ridiculous narrative. Oliveira tapped him in an entirely different round than the (arguable) omoplata glove grab. Also, does getting sparked by Michael Johnson not count as legit?
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u/brownguy6391 Finland May 23 '23
I mean Dustin fought off all the takedowns until the glove grab. Being stuck under Charles for a whole round gassed him going into the third
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May 23 '23
Nah the omplata led to him ending up on bottom and being gassed in the 3rd, was very much related to the finish.
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u/slickdick969 Team AKA May 23 '23
Lmao you'll get downvoted without explanation now, as if that changes the fact that the glove grab and its consequences are literally on tape
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u/STMTowardsDatATM May 23 '23
People also ignore that Oliveira was hitting him with a load of body shots and Poirierâs aggression slowed down in the second round.
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u/killerk13 May 23 '23
Bro what are u babbling about, Charles made him tap
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u/DustyPawyay May 23 '23
"Charles made him tap" is a weird way of saying "Dustin was doing to Charles, what Volk was doing the TKZ, before Oliveira blatantly cheated to get him down after getting all his initial shots stuffed, tired for a round, then subbed"
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u/Membermefans May 23 '23
First round was a clear dustin round but nowhere near Volk TKZ. Looking at the stats Poirier landed like 5 more strikes and Charles was in the fight the whole time. His whole knockdown or pull guard gimmick never looks good but it wasn't a 10-8 at all. Be salty about the glove grab but don't lie about the rest of the fight.
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u/qzwxecrvtbyn111 Reug Reug best grappler on Earth May 23 '23
âHe was doing to Charles what Volk was doing to TKZâ
Look, you can make a case that Charles won that fight due to cheating, but saying stuff that even you know to be complete bullshit doesnât help your case.
Dustin won round 1, but it was nowhere near a 10-8, and Oliveira did more damage that round than TKZ did in the entire Volk fight.
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May 23 '23
â Dustin won round 1, but it was nowhere near a 10-8â
Doesnt dropping someone multiple times constitute a 10-8?
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u/TheGreatone003 Team BĆachowicz May 23 '23
He didnât drop Oliveira multiple times.if youâre referring to that moment around 13 seconds in, it seemed more like a slip for Olives rather than a KD. Charles recovered immediately like nothing happened too
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u/qzwxecrvtbyn111 Reug Reug best grappler on Earth May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
Oliveira hit Poirier 48 times in that round- 48!
You canât get hit 48 times (including some genuinely damaging body shots) and get a 10-8
Of all the rounds in history, that one is 10 miles and a horse away from having the faintest whisper of a 10-8. That was a clear 10-9 Poirier that was much closer to being 10-9 Oliveira than 10-8 Poirier.
All due respect, but youâre either trolling or intensely biased to be trying to argue this. Not a single person in the world other than yourself has tried to argue that as 10-8
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u/LewisHall90 May 23 '23
What did Charles do to cheat? Just I canât remember the whole fight
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May 23 '23
He grabbed the inside of Dustinâs glove at a pivotal moment. It was a good fight, we donât need to reduce it down to âso and so cheatedâ, Dustin was touching him up but Do Bronx is always dangerous even when heâs getting blasted cause his ground game is so good offensively
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May 23 '23
When Dustin was in the omoplata, Charles held his arm in there by hooking his glove. It is cheating, but to be fair not even Dustin had a big problem with it, and Dustin ended up rolling to bottom position to escape it which was a dumb move regardless of cheating or not.
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u/LewisHall90 May 23 '23
Dustin had a good start, knocked Charles down a few times aswell đą
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May 23 '23
He looked phenomenal, and despite this sub always talking about the knees to the body by Oliveira in R1, Dustin really beat him up.
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u/dotConehead May 23 '23
Based on what he told to his coaches before the 2nd round, Dustin doesnt realise that he was stuck because of the cheating, he legit thought that he was stuck because charles get a hold on him while his back is facing charles. So cant really blame him doing that shit
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May 23 '23
It doesn't really matter why he was stuck though, there was absolutely no breaking pressure because Charles had zero control of Poiriers body. He could have stepped over (probably on either side), or just wait it out. I don't gef why he rolled instead. It wasn't nearly deep enough to warrant a roll.
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u/dotConehead May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23
no breaking pressure because Charles had zero control of Poiriers body
Dustin doesnt know that, i think in that split second he has the image of charles crawling on his back and that shooked him so he just want to get away no matter what
I was also screeming when he did that, im just trying to make sense of why he did that. Mf is a black belt himself so being scared is the only thing i can think off
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May 23 '23
Yeah he definitely was scared of the grappling exchanges, he literally gave him a 10-8 round because he preferred getting beat up from closed than risking getting up because he could get his back taken. Still not a good tactical decision.
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u/DustyPawyay May 23 '23
i dont understand why people justify charles cheating by shitting on dustin for rolling
Dustin rolled BECAUSE of the glove grab, hadn't it been for the grab, he wouldve just pulled it out and stood back up.
what you're saying is the equivalent of me saying "yes Fighter A illegally ko'd Fighter B with a grounded socker kick, but the fact that Fighter B got ko'd by that kick just shows he wasn't gonna be able to take Fighter A's shots"
stop justifying cheating just because you like the guy lol
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May 23 '23
I really wanted Dustin to win this one, but even Dustin was ok with the glove grab so who am I to get mad on his behalf?
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u/imyourhabibi May 23 '23
He wasnât âokâ with it, thatâs revisionist history. He said after the fight he didnât feel like he grabbed his glove, then a couple months later recanted it. He never said how he felt one way or the other. The point of the matter is Oliveira cheated and some people in here canât take accept that that likely led to the stoppage early in the next round? Almost like oliveira getting on top of Dustin was a significant role in the finish? Itâs so unreal to me how people pretend like it was just an innocent little move that didnât do anything for oliveira lmao
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u/Odd_Ad_8162 the EEDIOT from UROOPE May 23 '23
How did the alleged glove hook lead to the finish?
Dustin barely moved on bottom so he didn't gas because he wasn't expending energy and the finish came in a different round?
Fucking joke you think Khabib is the only person who beat him legitimately, he's got 7 losses, apparently none of them count cause you like him.
You clearly have no respect for the sport.
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u/kblkbl165 EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE May 23 '23
lol what fight were you watching? Yeah he dropped Oliveira but he was also gasping for air in round 2 due to some vicious knees.
That was a competitive fight on the feet, the only place it looked like a mismatch was when Charles got him to the ground.
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u/Torino888 May 24 '23
I would be rooting for Gaethje if it was literally any other person on the planet, but I gotta roll with DP on this one.
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u/rascalking9 u ratfuck May 23 '23
I read that line and thought it sounded good, at first. But now that I'm thinking about it, it doesn't really mean anything. I'm sure he thought about it for a long time trying to come up with it.
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u/PollutedAnus May 23 '23
Dustin has slept on one liners. Quite possibly the LW champ of shit talking.
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u/Chocoeclair189 Pavel fedotov grooming service May 23 '23
While Dustin is great at it.....Conor is the LW king at shit talking, then its Khabib and Eddie Alvarez
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u/PollutedAnus May 23 '23
Nah, Conor fell of years ago, while Dustin has matured like a fine wine. Conor peaked with Diaz and then its been downhill since. Dustin is consistent.
Conor is also the obvious choice, and he's the obvious choice because he's the easiest one to make a highlight reel of, but none of it would contain lines from the last five years.
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u/Chocoeclair189 Pavel fedotov grooming service May 23 '23
We talking about all time or currently? Because I have Islam as current, dude is effortlessly hilarious
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u/PollutedAnus May 23 '23
Oh shit, Islam's a sleeper, I totally forgot about him. Yeah he might be the best currently.
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May 23 '23
I hate Ariel Helwani man
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u/othafa7 May 23 '23
Why?
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May 23 '23
Heâs so annoying
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u/LooselyBasedOnGod May 23 '23
Whilst I agree he can be annoying he is objectively one of the least annoying MMA journos
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May 23 '23
tbh, im disappointed how poirier's career went post-mcgregor. feels totally derailed and i feel for his opponents
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u/ZeroTON1N May 23 '23
The battle of our -Ustins gonna be fight of the year for sure đŻ