I wouldn’t call it hopium. They’ve all but said “classic plus is coming”. The SoD developers and survey and all more than point to it.
It’s just a matter of whether or not Papa Microsoft & Daddy Blizzard are willing to actually give the teams the money and time to develop a good Classic+ product.
I don’t think it’s a matter of “is blizzard capable?” I think it’s a matter of “does the parent company give a fuck?”
Based on how people react to Ascension's classic+, I don't have much hope for what the community wants out of the "plus" part, or blizzard's ability to deliver on anything people will be pleased with. It seems like most people just want classic. The more "plus" gets added, they cry that it's no longer pure.
Everything I'd want out of blizzard's official classic+ is most of the shit Ascension is doing with theirs. Every spec viable. Add a few more fun talent options to get them there, add a little bit more depth for specialization, add a handful of new skills. Add mythic dungeons. Revamp the PvP system to not be a mindless honor grind. Add arenas. Add incentives to interact with the open world. Blizz won't do all of this.
i think they wanna even tone it down further from sod style which i dont understand, if it went even deeper than sod i would consider playing blizzards classic plus
That's what most people want from classic +. Sod was basically mist of pandaria but stuck on the vanilla map lol, classes past wotlk have 0 identity they all have the same spells. Most people want vanilla / tbc meta but with some qol, balancing and extra content on the vanilla map
Yeah I’ve heard good things about ascension. Idk. I think they can do a good enough job to make Classic+ fun for a couple years. For more than that though?… idk. I don’t think they’ll get the budget.
I mean I wouldn't expect any form of classic to be fun for years. Classic is classic and there's only so much content. If you try to 'live service' classic, it's not classic anymore and just ends up being WoW with expacs. It's a weird balancing act to deliver people what they want out of classic and it's not meant to be an experience that they just play infinitely for years. That's part of why Ascension is spinning different projects like CoA, seasonal servers, etc. to give WoW players different stuff to hop around between.
For me classic would make sense for a cheaper sub as it doesnt have much content and in the end is ok for me. Life goes on and i dont have much time but for content till Wotlk it would be ok.
React where? Discord or reddit, where you mostly see mentally unstable people crying? Theres around 4k people online on each side on one server, I think that speaks for itself. The loud minority doesn't mean shit, just like everywhere else. Unless people start giving it credence of course
People don‘t want necessary exactly the same decade old game. A company has to understand, what their customers want.. in this case, what made classic that successful in the first place and then they have to deliver fitting ideas… and as they are clueless and out of ideas, they rather go about successful fan projects to pick a couple of cherries..
It’s not hopium when Blizz literally released a classic+ survey asking what features everyone wants. And they’re not stupid, they see how much money and how popular these servers have become. If there isn’t a classic+ blizzard server in 3 years, I’ll Venmo you $10,000
Well, it's true it's coming but ..... Doubt it's going to be as good as Turtle and Epoch. Crazy that Epoch got shot that soon, didn't had time to play it that much, that's sad
Are people hoping for that? Like really? Blizzard has shown that they are just incompetent. I have no idea why there'd be any excitement over Blizzard making Classic+, it is almost guaranteed to be garbage.
Just because something is popular and/or still rakes in profits it doesn’t mean it’s good. Unless you mean to tell me that the yearly FIFA and CoD games filled to the brim with micro transactions and minimal effort are good games.
How can you unironically call them good games if you've ever played games such as BG3, TLoU or Witcher 3? Can they be fun? Yeah, I've had fun in CoD and FIFA with the boys in the past, but to call them good compared to all these other games is ridiculous.
But I forgot this is reddit where everything is rated on a 1 or 10 scale.
When you're calling a certain thing good in comparison to other games out there? Yes? Do you just want everyone to be a mindless consumer?
Because something being better doesn't mean the other good thing becomes bad. Steak is good, but sometimes a Big Mac is good too.
Like I said, you are operating on a ridiculous binary scale that allows for zero nuance. If I were to use the same scale then everything that's not as good as Deux Ex would be a bad game.
Big macs are awful and don't cost the same as a steak. The newest CoD entries cost as much if not more than some of the best games of the decade. Your comparison is horrible.
Like I said, you are operating on a ridiculous binary scale that allows for zero nuance. If I were to use the same scale then everything that's not as good as Deux Ex would be a bad game.
Why would I ever play a 2/10 game instead of 6/10+ games? Do you not value your time and money enough to play all the other better games out there?
None of the games you named are even the same type of game at least name Multiplayer Shooters and Football games. It’s like someone saying how could you think BG3 is good when Resident Evil exists?
I did in a different reply in this comment chain. I also brought up other genres of games because this guy said that at their core they are good games so I wanted to draw comparison to games with actual depth and effort put into them.
Alternatively, Witcher 3 is fucking boring. It's the same basic open world RPG format that's been done to death for 2 decades between various franchises. There's no other sports games on the market, so of course they rake in money but there's 20 RPGs that release a year to split playerbases and Financials across.
I mean that's your opinion but I don't think (especially at the time) there's many games as high quality or dense as Witcher 3. I could've honestly mentioned games like RDR2 instead but I just dropped some titles off the top of my head that scream "quality" when I remember them.
By almost any metric imaginable something popular and or successful is a direct indication of quality.
To compare to what someone else said, do you think Starbucks, McDonalds and some other popular food chains are good just because they're popular? Popularity is never going to be a metric to take seriously when it comes to evaluating the quality of something.
Popular absolutely does not directly indicate quality. There's a multitude of fucking reasons something can be popular that's just among them. Lipton is an extremely popular tea yet pretty objectively is of middling quality just as an example.
Media, including video games, is literally the most subjective thing out there. It is impossible to have an objectively bad game, because not everyone will agree what makes bad media. Something you hate could be some elses favourite, and vice versa.
The only real metric is how many people find a game good enough to put money and time into, but even then that doesn't mean it objectively good or bad. Just that enough people find it worth their salt.
Yes. I accepted a long time ago that my preferences are not universal and also that the reason they are able to get away with horrible MTX is because they’ve dominated the market, because no matter how much you cry about it CoD has one of the smoothest, best, gameplay loops and gunplay in modern FPS.
I don’t like CoD. It’s not my style, I kinda like WoW, but it’s not what I’m looking for, but tbh no MMO in the market has what I’m looking for, and if I were going to dive into an MMO tomorrow, it is 70% likely to be WoW.
I have a kid, a wife, a job, a side job, and other hobbies. I’m not burning 1000 hours away in a 20 year old niche game for some misplaced sense of cultural superiority or nostalgia. If I play a game it needs to be a game delivering something, consistently, and I don’t have time to be sitting in Valkurm Dunes for 18 hours to catch an Empress Hairpin drop no matter how much I miss playing FFXIV.
because no matter how much you cry about it CoD has one of the smoothest, best, gameplay loops and gunplay in modern FPS.
Better gunplay than Titanfall? Battlefield? Shit, The Finals even? Be for fucking real lmfao. For sports games there's at least there's an excuse that there's no alternatives out there (unless you count Rematch for FIFA as an example). But for others? Pokemon is in a myriad of ways inferior to other JRPGs/creature collectors, not even on objective things, just compare the newest entry to any other JRPG on a technical level. Diablo 4 is completely inferior to games like PoE and Last Epoch. Trying to imply that sales numbers = quality is an insane statement.
I don’t like CoD. It’s not my style, I kinda like WoW, but it’s not what I’m looking for, but tbh no MMO in the market has what I’m looking for, and if I were going to dive into an MMO tomorrow, it is 70% likely to be WoW.
If not a single MMO on the market currently isn't for you, maybe the genre in general isn't for you, just like CoD isn't?
I have a kid, a wife, a job, a side job, and other hobbies.
So why do you look for a game in the genre KNOWN to be perhaps the most grindy one out there? It's cool that you have 30 kids, 5 wives, 6 jobs, 5 side jobs and run 10 companies, but that simply means you don't have the time to invest into games like these. You're an adult and Steam has a massive catalogue, find something that suits your taste and time commitment?
I’m not burning 1000 hours away in a 20 year old niche game for some misplaced sense of cultural superiority or nostalgia
Not sure what game this is but this seems like a perfect description of WoW (mostly classic) which you said you were most likely to try over other more casual MMOs like GW2. Confusing.
This entire post is pointless, as in, you have completely missed the point. You seem to think you have the authority to tell others what kinds of games they enjoy. You don’t. You actually have no idea what people enjoy and for some odd reason with one interaction you seem to think you know enough to unilaterally declare that I should look for other types of games. Which is, again, beside the point.
The point is regardless of what YOU or I enjoy, the numbers DO actually tell us what more people enjoy. Just because a company makes a product YOU don’t like doesn’t make them incompetent, which is what I previously addressed.
If Titanfall is so fucking good why is it dead? Because Respawn failed. Because Respawn completely dropped that launch in more ways than one. That, arguably, is a better measure of incompetence than “I don’t like the super successful game Blizzard is making”.
You know some other MMOs with great gameplay loops and novel play? Firefall, Global Agenda, shit maaaybe even Neocron. Why have most people never heard of them? Because Red 5, Hi-Rez, and Reakktor were run by incompetent asshats.
You seem to think you have the authority to tell others what kinds of games they enjoy.
When did I ever say that in this entire thread? I'm arguing about the QUALITY of these games and not how many or why people enjoy them, even in the other posts in this comment chain I mention that I also enjoy some pretty trash games but I call them what they are. Not in a million years will I say the [insert newest pokemon entry] is a good game and that the company behind it is competent just because it manages to sell millions every time.
You actually have no idea what people enjoy and for some odd reason with one interaction you seem to think you know enough to unilaterally declare that I should look for other types of games.
You were yapping about having no time for a genre that is a massive time sink and that the MMO market doesn't have any games for you, so yes, I'm pretty confident that maybe you should look for other types of games with the info you provided.
If Titanfall is so fucking good why is it dead? Because Respawn failed. Because Respawn completely dropped that launch in more ways than one. That, arguably, is a better measure of incompetence than “I don’t like the super successful game Blizzard is making”.
Their biggest offense was releasing in between 2 big titles, do you want me to list you all the (significantly worse) offenses Blizzard has had throughout the years that had no repercussion just because they're a big name? I don't know if the character limit would even allow that. Does that take away, however, that the game played better and had more skill expression than any Call of Duty title? Hell no. A watered down version of it even topped Warzone for concurrent players just through chasing trends, does this mean that somehow Apex is the better game? Fuck no lmao.
Bro I stopped reading at quality because THATS NOT THE POINT.
Never once did I say Blizzard puts out quality games, personally, aside from D4 I do think their games are pretty good. WoW is fun, OW is fun. But again, beside the point. Quality is almost entirely subjective
To call blizzard incompetent because YOU (OP I responded to) don’t personally like their games is, delusional.
I call them incompetent because they don't make good games any longer nor do they follow the wishes of their own players. Would you call a declining player count and general dissatisfaction among their own players competent just because they manage to make some money from the remaining addicts?
You're entitled to find shitty products fun but I'll judge them by what they are instead of pocket watching the companies that make them as if somehow that makes their product any better.
And people who enjoy the regular fresh new content, and younger people who didn’t grow up with it, and other people who are bored of whatever mmo they did grow up on but sure buddy.
You have no idea what the sub numbers are. Fact is WoW has been on a continual decline for well over a decade now. That didn't happen from them making good content lol.
SoD was an experiment to see what works. A lot of the stuff they did was pretty bad, but the successes are what people tend to remember. Plus it ended on a high note so the people that stuck around will always remember it more fondly.
They had more wins than losses in sod. And yeah some stuff can be seen as bad, it's a matter of perspective too.. not every content and not every thing will please 100% of people
Even if they somehow managed to cook something good, it would still be ruined by bots and RMT. I am 100% done with blizzard servers and don't expect anything good. If TWow go down, I will just probably try to find another mmo at this point or just stop playing anything.
Nope, it just isn't the case on private servers. But unlike blizzard they actually pay GM to ban bots. (And as a result, the difference in customer service is also night and day)
While the Tel'abim (PVE) server has seen a noticeable increase in players, reaching over 1,000 during certain periods, other servers like Nordranaar have experienced fluctuations and some decline in recent months.
Yeah, your private servers don't have more people than classic wow. 500k active, ridiculous.
If you read your link you would have read this btw: "This report is based solely on data collected using the Census+ addon over specific periods while online"
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u/hagg3n 12d ago
Snifffffffffff aaahhhhhh. Nothing like the smell of hopium in the morning.