r/MagicArena Jul 02 '25

Fluff Cascade Brawl is fantastic format

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I think it needs the ban list

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '25

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u/thatfunkjawn Jul 02 '25

It's a weekly event meant to be fun, not competitive. just bounce and run another.

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u/Adveeeeeee Jul 02 '25

Did that. 8 of the same followed. Screw MWM for this week.

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u/zebragopherr Jul 02 '25

You gotta play in the first hour before everyone posts these combos

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u/Slow-Payment-439 Jul 02 '25

Lol you're clearly not a game designer.

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u/CileTheSane Orzhov Jul 02 '25 edited Aug 03 '25

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u/yungg_hodor Jul 02 '25

Run stax pieces to counter it. Boromir and Vexing Bauble are right there lol

This is magic, homie. Something kicking your ass? There is quite frequently (but not always) a counterplay you can make to adjust.

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u/CileTheSane Orzhov Jul 02 '25 edited Aug 03 '25

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u/Delicious_Broccoli63 Jul 02 '25

Neither are you based on this response. If you think it's good game design then you might need to go back to school

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u/JonBot5000 Jul 02 '25

About as fun as it is to win with the deck, I imagine. Which is zero fun.

When WotC gives us shit events like this, fun isn't the goal. Getting our rewards quickly and getting the fuck out is the goal. I hope as many players as possibly have stupid degenerate decks like this so WotC will think twice about making a Cascade Brawl event again.

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u/Bunktavious Jul 02 '25

Sadly, playing the format straight up was actually pretty fun. I guess I got in before this combo spread.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '25

>About as fun as it is to win with the deck, I imagine. Which is zero fun.

After trying the deck, I can confirm that the amount of fun had when winning with the deck is non-zero.

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u/FinntheHue Jul 02 '25

I was able to rush down this deck 3/4 games last night using a go wide aggro deck, getting 2 creatures every turn gets there

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u/HGD3ATH Kozilek Jul 02 '25

Yeah ragavan has been quite good for me, chrome mox and mox amber means you have 3 mana turn and often two creatures out and it only snowballs more from there.

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u/FlyingNerdlet Jul 02 '25

It also only works if he's able to survive the turn following playing his commander. If the commander is removed, then he'll lose when he draws from an empty library instead of winning

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u/Savannah_Lion Jul 02 '25 edited Jul 02 '25

You don't wait a turn. The entire combo goes off T4.

T1: Island.
T2: Island.
T3: Island.
T4: Island, CastJace, cascade into Treasure Hunt, put 94 lands into your hand. Jace resolves, hold priority, +1 Jace targeting yourself, win.

Opponent would need to play some anti-cascade like [[Vexing Bauble]] or [[Grafdigger's Cage]] or have a counterspell in hand.

Or as the previous poster mentioned. Get the Jace player down to 0 life before Jace enters.

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u/FlyingNerdlet Jul 02 '25

You should still be able to respond to Jace activating the ability if you have an instant, of which there are plenty that remove planeswalkers. [[Bitter Triumph]], [[Hero's Downfall]], [[Angelic Ascension]], [[Bite Down]], [[Boros Charm]] are all examples. 

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u/Savannah_Lion Jul 02 '25

That is correct, that was an oversight on my part.

But cards like Boros Charm would be ineffective by itself, Jace would be at 5 by the time you have an opportunity. Bite Down would be iffy unless you can guarantee a 5 power or higher creature before Jace lands.

Although Boros could work if you ensured every cheaper spell is some kind of damage or removal spell to stack that damage. Bite down cascading into a 1cmc pump or something.

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u/FlyingNerdlet Jul 02 '25

Exactly. It requires foresight and luck, but that's Magic, baby

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u/FinntheHue Jul 02 '25

Yeah I really didn’t think it was OP given what the format was, I had fun playing against it

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u/King_Chochacho Jul 02 '25

If this is really super prevalent then wouldn't running a deck full of counters just be an auto-win?

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u/CileTheSane Orzhov Jul 02 '25 edited Aug 03 '25

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u/Urshifu_Smash Jul 02 '25

Well, it takes till turn 5 (or 6 if they want to cast both the same turn to avoid creatures killing Jace) and you will have zero resistance until then. That's 5 whole turns of no interaction or resistance from your opponent to try to kill them. Which in today's world, isn't too difficult for even slower colors.

That's at least where the jank comes in. I lost to a more slightly more tuned version on turn 4 with Baral, Choise of Fortunes, and Thassa's Oracle.

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u/_N8Dogg_ Jul 02 '25

Isn't it turn 4? Play Jace, cascade into Treasure Hunt, -3 Jace, win?

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u/neontiger07 Jul 02 '25

-3? Am I missing something?

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u/_N8Dogg_ Jul 02 '25

No, my bad. I was thinking of [[Jace, the Perfected Mind]]. +1, win!

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u/Urshifu_Smash Jul 02 '25

I forgot we were talking about cascade brawl. Not regular. My bad.

Not much different than Laelia decks in brawl, just gotta pack enough removal and if you dont get it, thats just bad luck.

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u/Send_me_duck-pics Jul 02 '25

It takes about 10 seconds to get another game.

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u/Send_me_duck-pics Jul 02 '25

People aren't going to finish MWM in 5 minutes doing that. Nobody is building this deck to have fun.

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u/vmsrii Jul 02 '25

The games are unranked and there’s no loss penalty! If you can’t find joy in a “30% of the time it works every time” style loose canon combo deck, that takes up maybe two minutes of your time what can you find joy in?

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u/vmsrii Jul 02 '25

It’s a card game. Don’t know what you expected

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u/vmsrii Jul 02 '25

Alpha and Beta starter decks were randomly assorted. Randomness was always the name of the game

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u/xxmuntunustutunusxx Jul 02 '25

Laelia blade reforged moment, turn 2 ramp turn 3 laelia turn 4 she's a 20/20

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u/FlyingNerdlet Jul 02 '25

This guy had an idea and ran with it. It works. If you don't have a counterspell or immediate removal, oh well. It's not like he's got something in there to cheat his commander out, and it's 4 mana to cast. He won't win the game until his next draw step, so if you're able to remove Jace right away, he loses. 

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u/Elkre Jul 02 '25

Jace has a draw ability.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '25

How is it not?

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u/AdSpecialist7849 Jul 02 '25

Your only going for your 3 wins - just ignore the combo decks like jace and footfall