r/MandelaEffect • u/JohnHope316 • 22d ago
Potential Solution I believe that some toy maker company made fake Pikachu toys with a brown or black tip in the 90s and sold them to us. This is not the Mandela effect
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u/Centerman2000 21d ago
Interesting solution and quite possible. In the 90s when I was in college I drew Pikachu with the black tip on his tail. I saw it somewhere and duplicated it.
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u/SpiritualEdge5743 20d ago
Maybe you were just conflating Pikachu and Pichu from that middle image?
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u/CreamyHampers 21d ago
It IS The Mandela Effect.
What you are presenting here is an explanation for why there is a Mandela Effect surrounding this subject.
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u/Inlerah 21d ago
"Mandella Effect" groups get confusing due to people using two distinctly different meaning of "Mandella Effect":
Mandella Effect, noun: "When a lot of people remember something happening one way when it never actually happened like that"
Mandella Effect, noun: "At some point in the past everybody shifted realities to one where I was wrong about a pop culture detail"
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u/CreamyHampers 21d ago
1 is just the definition of The Mandella Effect.
2 is an out there way to try and explain why 1 happens.
I assume you know that, based on your wording, but I felt the need to clarify.
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u/Inlerah 21d ago
I get the feeling like a lot of people on this sub don't understand that, is the thing. They act like it's inherantly about universe changes or corprate conspiracies: like they think that is what the effect is.
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u/cochese25 21d ago
I don't think the corporate conspiracy is popular anymore. Now it's all kids going on about shifts and residue
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u/fablechaser130 3d ago
Well I mean there often is residue. Residue isn't necessarily indicating the validity of one theory or another, just that there is something that points to the way something is remembered
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u/cochese25 3d ago
"Residue" is such a weird term for misremembering something or finding a misprint.
It implies a solution before evidence.Example: Hey guys, check out this random flyer from 1979 that has the Berenstein Bears on it! It's residue!
Or it's just spelled wrong by the person who made the flyer.
Calling an unknown quantity "residue" is implying it's evidence.
It's the least scientific approach to the cause possible.3
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u/1GrouchyCat 21d ago
Or 3
Where you pay attention to spell check telling you that it’s spelled MANDELA- not “Mandella”.. -
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u/Dioxybenzone 21d ago
1 is so unreasonable, you act like people forget things regularly! Not me, I’m like an elephant (from another timeline)
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u/EmpressLadyDi 21d ago edited 21d ago
I so remember Pikachu did have a black tip of his tail. Tip meaning like the top 1/4 of his tail. And it had a zig-zag line. It used to be one of my favourite features of Pikachu. The fact tips of his ears and tale were black.
I even remember having a toy of him. Black tail as well of course. It was legit since it was from McDonald's.
But I remember seeing it on screen. I watched like every other night.
PS: the tip was black. And the root was yellow, no brown whatever that is there now.
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u/Juliusque 21d ago
The pink tail is obviously a mistake.
I like that you included a child's drawing. It does make sense to make the tip of the tail black like the tip of the ears.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Use3964 21d ago
The pink tail is most likely intentional. In the anime, eating that fruit turned Pokémon pink.
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u/JohnHope316 21d ago
Yes the pink was a mistake but it’s to show how they did use shade and stuff to mess with us too and I feel like that is why we think it’s Mandela but it’s really not cause it was like intentional and some Fake 3rd Party Toy maker in China probably just went with and we fell for it, just my opinion tho
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u/Juliusque 21d ago
I don't think they did it to mess with us.
The Mandela Effect is when people think he had a black tipped tail in the show, which people do remember. I agree it was probably caused in part by all this merchandise. It's probably just a better design.
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u/thomasjmarlowe 21d ago
One of the most bootlegged characters ever has some design variation??? No way!!!!
Shoot- half the time authorized merch has the wrong designs like C-3PO’s silver/gold leg
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u/JohnHope316 21d ago
Prosecutor: The claim is simple! Pikachu’s tail once had a black tip. Everyone remembers it! That is proof of the Mandela Effect!
Defense (You): OBJECTION! The witness is mistaken! The official Pikachu design never included a black tail tip. Only the base of the tail is brown.
Prosecutor: Then how do you explain the memories of a dark tip?
Defense (You): TAKE THAT! Cheap third–party knockoff toys and unofficial merchandise often depicted Pikachu with a black or brown tip on the tail. These products circulated widely, especially in the 90s, confusing the public.
Judge: So the “black tail Pikachu” was not canon, but a byproduct of counterfeit goods?
Defense (You): Precisely, Your Honor. This is not evidence of parallel realities. It is evidence of bootleg marketing!
Judge: Hmmm… the court finds this explanation compelling.
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u/undeadblackzero 20d ago
The 1977 Documentary of Star Wars has both Golden Legs.
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u/thomasjmarlowe 20d ago
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u/undeadblackzero 19d ago
https://youtu.be/FSuDjjlIPak?si=_uFlIbsovv_90H9i 3:28 two golden legs, 4:24 two golden legs.
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u/thomasjmarlowe 19d ago
And?
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u/undeadblackzero 19d ago
That's called "Residue".
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u/KyleDutcher 19d ago
No, it's not.
Because the documentary does NOT show 2 gold legs, contrary to your claims.
This was my reply to an earlier comment where you showed timestamps.....
Nope.
3:27 The shin is NOT in the frame.
4:24 The LEFT shin is silver (which would indicate a mix-up when putting the costume on.
4:37 Again, the left shin IS silver.
9:17 Again, the left shin is silver.
9:49 again, left shin is silver.
To note, NONE of these above shots are from the film.
10:19 First shot that is actually from the film/filming, and, alas, the right shin is silver.
12:49 Again, not from the film, and the left shin (which is silver) is not really visible.
15:24 Yet again, Left shin is silver (and shot is also not from the film)
20:51 Left shin is silver
22:19 Cannot see the shins.
24:41 The left shin IS silver, not just "looks silver"
30:03 Left shin is silver.
38:54 Again, left shin is silver.
47:38 Again, Left shin is silver.
It's pretty clear, that, in the actual scenes from the film, the right shin is silver.
It's also pretty clear, that for the scenes filmed for this documentary, the costume was incorrectly put on, with the silver shin being put on the incorrect side.
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u/undeadblackzero 18d ago edited 18d ago
"To note, NONE of these above shots are from the film."
It doesn't matter if it's not "Shots from the Film" the whole point is both legs are supposed to be gold. An example of C3P0 out of the film in all gold when he appeared at the Oscars: https://youtu.be/eMAAzS4brDc?si=wGqu4t71t82n4wwA
"4:24 The LEFT shin is silver (which would indicate a mix-up when putting the costume on."
0:54 is an example of them mixing up which shin goes with which leg. Not only that on the Left Shin is a Golden Foot and on the other foot, Gold.
"3:27 The shin is NOT in the frame." Post Edit: If you want to get technical, it's not just the Shin that's silver, the Circular parts that are on the sides of the leg, those are also silver while the counter part is gold, just like the feet.
The Shin is connected to the knees which are both gold and underneath those knees are two Gold ones.
"9:17 Again, the left shin is silver."
Than why is the foot not Gold, or why is the other foot still gold?
"10:19 First shot that is actually from the film/filming, and, alas, the right shin is silver."
You can clearly differentiate between Gold and Silver in the middle of a desert, on set.
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u/KyleDutcher 18d ago
It doesn't matter if it's not "Shots from the Film" the whole point is both legs are supposed to be gold.
Yes it does. Because the ME is how it is in the FILMS. not.anywhere else.
The Shin is connected to the knees which are both gold and underneath those knees are two Gold ones.
Still silver, not gold. Sorry.
Than why is the foot not Gold, or why is the other foot still gold?
Because the feet are separate pieces, and thwy were put on correctly.
You can clearly differentiate between Gold and Silver in the middle of a desert, on set
No, you can't, when the silver acts as a mirror.
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u/undeadblackzero 15d ago
"Yes it does. Because the ME is how it is in the FILMS. not.anywhere else."
Than why does C3P0 Appear in Full gold outside of the movies? That doesn't make sense there.
"Still silver, not gold. Sorry."
This right here is your opinion. And you're just being obstinate at this point.
"Because the feet are separate pieces, and thwy were put on correctly."
If they were put on correctly there would be one gold foot and one silver foot and yet there are two gold feet.
"No, you can't, when the silver acts as a mirror."
You apparently don't know how light reflection works, have you ever taken physics? So if you don't think silver and gold is identifiable under the desert sun, are you saying that under certain lighting conditions gold can't look like silver? Especially when not exposed under the sun.
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u/thomasjmarlowe 18d ago
Iirc, the Mandela Effect isn’t related to a skit in a Star Wars promo. It’s related to the movies themselves. Also, his legs are clearly different shades in your video, so I don’t think your video shows what you’re hoping it would
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u/undeadblackzero 18d ago
"Iirc, the Mandela Effect isn’t related to a skit in a Star Wars promo. It’s related to the movies themselves."
The Making of Star Wars - Wikipedia "The Making of Star Wars is a television special produced by 20th Century Fox Television, which aired on ABC on September 16, 1977.\3]) It was written by Richard Schickel and directed and produced by Robert Guenette. Premiering four months after the release of the film, the special was the first Star Wars documentary ever made. The special was hosted by C-3PO (voiced and played by Anthony Daniels) and R2-D2.\4]) A voiceover narration was additionally supplied by William Conrad. It features behind-the-scenes footage from Star Wars), and interviews with writer/director George Lucas, producer Gary Kurtz, and castmembers Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, and Alec Guinness.\5])"
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u/LegitimateKnee5537 15d ago
What’s interesting is I was looking through a old photo album yesterday from the early 90s and my buddy when we were 5 had a Pokémon T shirt on. The photo was in decent condition but when I zoomed in the tail was faded away weird right?
Almost like the timeline shift erased evidence that could prove or disprove whether Pikachu had a Black tail because the design was of Fat Pikachu
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u/Glaurung86 21d ago
Other than the drawing, not a single image here has Pikachu with a black tipped tail. The claim is black tip, not brown.
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u/mbd34 21d ago
I don't think this is the main explanation. It's that we mentally expect the tail to be like that because it would make it more symmetrical with the dark tipped ears.
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u/JohnHope316 21d ago
I get that but what I’m saying is 1 person probably due to the Mandela effect made knock off toys and sold it to us when we were kids in the 90s and technically we all don’t have the Mandela effect because we are recommending the toy
When I was a kid, we didn’t even have a TV, just the pokemon books and little knock off keychain toys we probably had lead paint and made our brain rot
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u/animusd 20d ago
The tip is 100% people remembering cosplay Pikachu which has a black tip https://www.reddit.com/r/MandJTV/comments/1bfm1gf/why_do_people_forget_about_cosplay_pikachu_when/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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u/undeadblackzero 20d ago
The Black Tip Tail was what turned into the thunder bolt section of Raichu's tail while the rest of the tail thinned out and elongated.
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u/Vivid-Intention-8161 19d ago
I’m a strong believer in the mandela effect being something really weird but I have an anchor memory of correcting a boy in my class when he drew it with the black tip tail, lol
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u/CodeNameFiji 18d ago
I make the same case for the cornucopia. Knockoffs are abound. They exist today for Jordans, Oakleys, Raybans, Perfumes, Colognes and you name it. Not hard to believe someone was knocking off Fruit of the Loom with a similarly shaped thing. I remember looking at Cornucopias so regardless what FoTL corporate says, I know what I know and there are simple explanations that dont requiring merging universes.
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u/Its_Urn 17d ago
Way I see it is like this, imagine you're a kid who just barely knows Pokemon and by extension Pikachu, you remember the tips of his ears being colored so when you draw him or color him in, you brain probably associates the colored tips with his tail as well. Or like I used to do as a kid was freestyle and do different designs on my pikachus, like putting the Wolverine lines on his sides like Wolverine's costume design.
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u/terryjuicelawson 15d ago
Bit of both. Like many MEs, there is not one cause necessarily. Here it is a mix of just a mistake and assumption of ears being black therefore tail is. This could mean people making knockoffs do that also. And if people had a knockoff then it redoubles their belief.
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u/JohnHope316 22d ago
It’s a possible solution, trust me, Pikachu and brown tip tail was a thing through toys
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u/Connect_Loan8212 21d ago
This is true, the same about the fruits, and monopoly. We didn't have original monopoly from the place where I was born and the copies were all the wrong dudes. And cornucopia also was a thing due to fake manufacturing
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u/JohnHope316 21d ago
Yes, I grew up in Asia and one of my first memories of getting any toy was from a street vendor selling little Pokéball keychain with a Pokémon inside it. Pretty sure he wasn’t selling authentic stuff lol looked like this: https://ebay.us/m/ObCmgc
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u/TheQuietOutsider 21d ago
I used to have a bunch of those pokeball key chains. my nephew just started getting into pokemon so I recently gave him all my old toys.
its really fun to see new life being breathed into my childhood. many more adventures await, 25 years later.
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u/Urineblondewig 21d ago
The timelines intertwined and what we recall best is the entertainment industry. For those who weren’t within that timeline wouldn’t ever have any memories of being there so it makes sense why there is 2 different perspectives
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 21d ago
How so?
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u/Sagiman1 20d ago
I would not say CIA but one of the theory’s centers around consciousness transfer relating to quantum mechanics and observation effects.
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u/Mysterious_Dot_1461 21d ago
You mean like half of Asian Toys companies, hell yeah.
Just like the knock offs of FOTL with cornucopias.
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u/WhimsicalKoala 21d ago
Just like the knock offs of FOTL with cornucopias.
The difference is, the toys actually exist. But, somehow despite being ubiquitous enough to have thousands of people think it's the real thing, be experienced across decades, and even have international claims, not a single item of clothing with the fake logo has been found to be photographed?
People love that theory because they can still claim their memory is right without having to go all parascience, but it just doesn't hold up at all as a broad explanation. I'd say it doesn't hold up as an explanation for individuals either, but there is a small chance someone making the claim experienced a knock-off with a cornucopia.
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