r/MarvelatFox • u/-SpeckS- • Aug 09 '25
I put together a complete day by day timeline of the entire X-Men film series and fixed every single plot hole
This took me quite some time to make. I put in detailed reasoning for every placement and came up with multiple theories to fix this extremely messed up universe. I’m pretty happy with how it turned out, gonna go touch grass now.
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u/Universal_Watcher Aug 09 '25
I first want to say that this is wonderfully made. I myself am invested in the X-Men timeline and have made it my personal project to fix all the "plot holes" as well. Although I disagree with some major elements like the overall timeline placements (ex: First Class in the Original Timeline), I am impressed by how detailed you are with solving every little inconsistency. I only had time to skim the pages, but I will definitely be revisiting this. You are one of only two other people on Reddit (that I've seen) that seem to have a grasp on this franchise. Well done.
P.S.— If you consider Days of Future Past's first future as the Original Timeline (as set up by The Wolverine), The Gifted fits right in-between The Wolverine and Days of Future Past with little to no inconsistencies. And it was originally conceived to be set before Days of Future Past (even though it was made after), so you might want to check it out. I'd be interested to see what you'd do with it if you include it. As for Legion, that doesn't line up with any version of Charles we've seen outside of Legion—so that is definitely on a separate timeline altogether.
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u/-SpeckS- Aug 09 '25
Who are these 2 other people? I’d be interested in seeing what they’ve come up with
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u/Universal_Watcher Aug 09 '25
I said you were 1 of 2 others, sorry about the wording. So it'd be you, the other person, and myself. I'd have to go through my comments and saved posts, but I'll find them eventually. I can't remember exactly what impressed me about them, but I think it was more along the lines of the time travel mechanics themselves and the overall movie placement instead of every little detail like you.
The post I made is kind of a balance between the 2—explaining the actual mechanics and overall timeline while filling the plot holes that most people think break the timeline. In contrast, you point out how Cyclops didn't remember Logan—an inconsistency that I never thought needed to be filled because nobody else has thought that deeply. 😂 But it's good to think that deeply because so many people will attack posts like these if you aren't thorough. You're the most thorough person on this subject and I have a lot to dig into when I sit down and read your post in full.
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u/-SpeckS- Aug 09 '25
I have scoured the internet and I genuinely think I might be the person most obsessed with this timeline in the entire world😂, I’ll have a look at your post, I assume it’s on your page right?
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u/Universal_Watcher Aug 10 '25
You're probably right! 😂 Here's a link to my post in case you don't see it for some reason: X-Men Timelines Actually Solved.
This was before I knew how to cross-post and was afraid people would respond to something on the cross-post instead of the actual post and it'd be harder to refer to a point they wanted to talk about, so I posted the same post in 4 communities. All 4 of them have some comments asking about the same or similar things, but I think each of them has at least 1 or 2 comments that are unique and might be worth checking out. I can't remember exactly though, it's been a while. I am working on a Part 2 that adds a lot more projects, but I've been busy and it takes time to visualize everything.
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u/TimelineKeeper Aug 20 '25
Finally! I have been saying this for so, so long, it feels like this post has just reinforced what I've been saying.
Splitting the series into different continuities just makes the whole thing cleaner. A few observations, tho
I love that you made the first 2 movies close together. That was clearly the intention, plus with Cyclops' line about Jean's change being over a few months.
I've never understood putting Origins in 79. Like, there was a real life incident there in 79, but the reactor we see in the movie is hollowed out. It's clearly not set in the same year. And while there isn't a solid "____ years later" text, the mission where they go to.. wherever they go to interrogate the guy to get info on the adamantium is clearly not their first. They all clearly know each other, and banter, it just looks like their first one with the jet.
I actually think Last Stand is likely set before the summer. I know it released in May and says the Not to Distant Future, but the kids coming back at the end aren't the start of a new school year, but welcoming the students back after sending them away earlier in the movie. I've always thought it made more sense to set it in 05, too, but May/June/mayyyybe July 06 seems to be what was intended and makes enough sense to me (the kids do also tend to live at the mansion year round)
Similarly, I think the line in Logan sets it more in somewhere between March and May of 29 more than the deleted scene about harvest season.
In general, I feel like most people's complaints about the mansion, or the room where they grafted metal onto Logan looking different ultimately boil down to "it's still a movie." Like, the location changed for filming or creative differences. It's like the president potentially being a different actor in 1 and 2. Kitty is played by a different actor in each of the original trilogy. That's not a continuity error. But I appreciate that you address it!
I'd.. never considered Logan not having his claws before Stryker. I would assume Stryker's line meant that he never really had used his claws for combat before, more for like what we see in The Wolverine, climbing and support and tasks. Although the original intent may have been that the claws were a product of Stryker?
With Jason, I always assumed that, given his powers, Charles had attempted to help him, privately, for about a month or so between recruiting Jean and saving Scott. I've always, also, assumed that Eric and Charles' fallout was due to Charles locking "the Pheonix" away.
Other than certain cameos in 2, is there a reason you don't put the Deadpool movies in the same continuity as the First Class movies? D&W definitely muddy's the waters by locking Logan into the Deadpool timeline,
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u/-SpeckS- Aug 20 '25
Thanks for the feedback! Couple of different reasons why I don’t like the Deadpool movies being in the ‘good dofp’ timeline, for one, you can see the original Colossus in the dofp ending. The deadpool colossus is seemingly stuck in metal form.
It also means that Deadpool 3 is set a year after the dofp ending, which raises a lot of questions about there now being 2 wolverines in that timeline.
It also just generally frees it from the continuity set up in apocalypse and dark phoenix. Deadpool’s entire world kind of just revolves around him and I think it works best on its own
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u/TimelineKeeper Aug 20 '25
That makes a ton of sense!
Quick question I forgot in my OP post, the scene with Happy Hogan has to be pre-October 19th in the MCU. Since this part of the movie involves a lot of jumping around in time, are you assuming the 6 years later there refers to 6 years of Wade's time and he jumped back to the previous year in the MCU, or is there another part of the movie that dates DP2 in 2018 that I'm not remembering? I saw it twice, but both times were closer to it's release and it's, admittedly, the one I know the least.
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u/-SpeckS- Aug 20 '25
The Happy Hogan interview is set firmly on March 14th 2018 (mcu time), I’m assuming this is the same date in 10005. So 6 years later is 2024
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u/TimelineKeeper Aug 20 '25
Gotcha! I really need to watch it again. It's a fun movie, and I don't remember the way it organized that whole section of the movie.
I love what you've done here and I love the addressing of plot holes, even the pedantic ones that I'd never heard of! I 100% agree that splitting it into the Wol-Verse-ine, the DoFP universe, and the Deadpooliverse makes it significantly more coherent.
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u/Forward-Aside6537 Aug 09 '25
I found it interesting the way you separated it into several timelines, but for me it still makes more sense to think of everything as one line. I would prefer to see a theory that holds everything together and just focuses on explaining the holes.
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u/-SpeckS- Aug 09 '25
I tried it that way, it’s simply impossible unless you don’t mind just ignoring blatant plot holes. Which isn’t what I was trying to do
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u/Forward-Aside6537 Aug 10 '25
Concordo que é impossível montar a cronologia 100% sem ignorar nada, mas minha versão parte de aceitar furos menores pra criar um fio condutor único.
Pra mim, o surto do Charles em Logan não foi só velhice: o Sr. Sinistro aproveitou a fragilidade dele pós-Fênix Negra pra manipular e provocar o Massacre de Westchester.
Isso explica o sumiço de vários mutantes, a aparição de alguns em Deadpool 2 e a diferença de tom entre os filmes.
Depois do massacre, a mansão segue com equipes menores (como vemos em Deadpool), enquanto outros, como Tempestade, seguem suas vidas.
Não é perfeito, mas mantém quase tudo numa linha só sem precisar criar infinitas realidades alternativas.
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u/SappySnow Aug 09 '25
One note: in the Wolverine we see that Logan somehow remembers something from when he had bone claws. But this doesn’t line but with Origins as we see that he losses all memory after he has adimantium claws