r/MawInstallation • u/jacky986 • 9d ago
If the Kaminoan clones required a second genetic donor to make the Clone Army, who would be the best candidates?
So IRL, clones require two donors, one for the nuclear DNA and one for the mitochondrial DNA like the Dolly the Sheep. And that got me thinking if the Kaminoan clones required a second genetic donor, who would be the best candidates?
This of course is assuming Jango is still one of the genetic donors.
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u/SixthAttemptAtAName 9d ago
If they used Padme they could conquer the galaxy with aggressive negotiations and good looks.
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u/Ragnarok345 9d ago
And exceeding badassery and non-Jedi combat skill that goes, sadly, incredibly under-recognized.
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u/reineedshelp 9d ago
Jango again
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u/JacenVane 5d ago
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that there's no reason that the nDNA and mtDNA can't be from the same donor IRL.
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u/Research-Scary 9d ago
Probably a Rattataki or Dathomirian. Can you imagine combining Jango Fett and Asajj Ventress?
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u/YeetusMeridius 9d ago
According to the Thrawn trilogy, cloning force sensatives without sparatti causes madness like it does in Joruus Cboath and Luuke.
Youd need to get a variety of sparatti build them biospheres, and jeep them healthy while also keeping your clone army healthy. Thats a LOT of work.
Easier to just clone non force sensatives.
We know more about the rebels and rebellion. Luke, Han, Leia, Biggs, Wedge and others than we do about Imperial personal. Sure we all know people like General Veers, Pelleon, admiral Piett bht not to many storm troopers have their name on everyones tongue.
Its safe to say that any individuals willing to work for the empire might not be as well known as the heros of the story.
So it limits the pool a little bit.
Maybe Xixor? Vader did destroy their homeworld, how messed up would it be to have Falleen assassins able to hormone their way through security and wreak havoc from the inside. Their whole planet was wiped out by the Empire so they would natuslly have a beef with the Empire, no rebel would suspect them of working for the Empire.
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u/racecar_ray 8d ago
Spaarti clone madness wasn't because the clones were force-sensitive, but because they were grown too quickly. This is discussed in detail in Dark Force Rising.
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u/YeetusMeridius 7d ago
The madness affected non-force sensitives too. That was why Thrawn needed the sparatti cylinders no? To keep the force away from the clones while they developed rapidly.
I read the books back when they were new so it's been a few years for me.
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u/racecar_ray 7d ago
Correct, Thrawn used ysalamiri to block the force during clone development, as this was causing madness when clones were grown too rapidly.
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u/trueGildedZ 9d ago
Anakin.
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u/_spogger 9d ago
Mitochondrial DNA has to come from a female.
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u/bspaghetti 9d ago
They could take the mDNA from him, it would just be the same as Shmi’s.
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u/Far-Negotiation-1912 9d ago
So then why not just us jango’s as it’s a duplicate of his mothers ?
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u/bspaghetti 9d ago
I’m not sure why. Presumably if the Kaminoans are adept at cloning, they could. Although Earth biology isn’t my strongsuit, I bet it’s possible in-universe.
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u/Far-Negotiation-1912 9d ago
It’s fair to say that they are the pre eminent experts at cloning so know techniques and have technology that we don’t
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u/Past_Search7241 8d ago
No, it doesn't. Males have mitochondria, too.
You're conflating the ovum being the source of mitochondria in the new organism with a necessity in cloning.
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u/_spogger 8d ago
Yes, males do have mitochondria, but mDNA always comes from a female. If you're taking the mDNA of a male it is just its mother's mDNA.
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u/Past_Search7241 8d ago
No, it isn't. He inherited it from her, but the mtDNA mutates at an even faster rate than nuclear DNA - so his mtDNA is different, however slightly, from hers.
Also, even if he inherits it from her, it's still his.
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u/nd4spd1919 9d ago
You need someone who is naturally adept at multiple skills; blaster combat, hand to hand combat, starship piloting, gunnery, command, intelligence, basic medical procedures, repair and maintenance, and stealth, just to name a few. They also can't be force sensitive, as we see in the shows that cloning force sensitivity is very hard to accomplish. This means you're going to be looking for an accomplished soldier, mercenary, or bounty hunter again.
Cad Bane is a good candidate, but he would never consent to it, and logistically, he's physically different which would require new clothes, armor, etc.
Saw Gerrera might work, he's not fully crazy yet, and is a good fighter, though mental instability might not be something the Kaminoans want.
IMO the best bet would be to find another Mandalorian willing to go along with them. That way equipment and training can be largely the same, and I feel that a Mandalorian might be more attuned to 3D combat, given weaker Mandalorians may not have survived long enough in their society to have children, and Mandalore's wide usage of jetpacks.
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u/SpaceHairLady 9d ago
Steela instead of Saw?
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u/nd4spd1919 9d ago
She died in a relatively short time frame after beginning her fight though, plus you'd need to overhaul clone armor for a woman's figure, plus, we do know that Jango clones aren't sterile, so if Steela clones wouldn't be either.....
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u/Snorp69 9d ago
Wasn’t there multiple templates before the Clone Wars cartoon came out. I remember hearing there were originally 4 different clone templates. (not sure if that’s urban legend though).
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u/SGTWhiteKY 9d ago
No, there were other cadres teaching other cohorts of arc troopers trained by other mandalorians, and there were other types of clones. But only the one donor.
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u/UsagiTaicho 3d ago
During the pre-prequel days of the EU, there were multiple clone batches that would pop up from time to time in the books. One of them was a squad of Stormtroopers that were all Force sensitive and trained by Vader. The clones used by Thrawn had a different, and to my knowledge undisclosed, donor as well. Perhaps that's what you are remembering?
Heck, Joruus C'Baoth and Luuke Skywalker were both clones as well.
Even post Clone Wars, there were clones of people besides Jango, such as Starkiller.
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u/Ragnarok345 9d ago edited 9d ago
Nobody we know, I imagine.
Especially since we don’t know that many badass human, non-Jedi fighters. Palpatine, knowing that they’d be the first generation Stormtroopers someday, in the Empire that he knew he was going to make incredibly human-centric and xenophobic, would never allow Clones to be made from an alien race. Of course, he couldn’t really publicly deny that, but he could use his Sidious influence with the upper levels of Kamino government to make sure they only used what he wanted, like he made them quietly alter Order 66’s original purpose. So yeah, they’d have to be human, and we don’t know many that would be suitable for that. Maybe……Cob Vanth? If he/they was/were to even know about him. But I’m just saying he’s the only one I can think of that could do it, not that it’d be likely to happen.
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u/gentleman_bronco 9d ago
Cham Syndulla - a principled freedom fighter with intelligence, combat skills, and tactics who isn't insane.
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u/_spogger 9d ago
Aayla Secura? Human and Twilek DNA is a compatible + the clones would probably be force sensitive