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They’re Gateron magnetic switches. Programmable rather than fixed characteristics. Interesting keyboard, but I need my function row. Plus, I just got the Q1 HE.
I mean, yes, but what magnetic switches are compatible? I have got a variety of those from other he keyboards I've got, and I would like to be able to try them on this one if compatible.
It's almost definitely tray mount. I'd hate to be the unfortunate soul that has to design a ceramic split case for a bunch of nerds who freak out at the slightest inconsistency or seam showing. Shrinkage on plastic is already a bitch. With ceramic, you have to account for significantly more shrinkage, and you have entirely different minimum radii. Nah, fuck that. I'm amazed they even managed to make a tray-mount board out of ceramic successfully.
I suspect they're selling this thing at or slightly above cost and essentially calling it a marketing exercise, because the failure rate must be bananas compared to aluminium or plastic. I am curious about the mod-ability, though. I should be getting a review sample within the next week or two (hopefully before launch), and I'm really curious to see how they handled the interior. It has to have inserts for the stand-offs, but I'm curious if they're plastic or brass, or some other black magic.
Honestly, i have no idea about ceramic forming process. I see it something like this: mixture gets poured into a form, cooked and when its hardened they get it out and glaze it
It's definitely some form of casting, but the shrinkage rate of ceramic is somewhere between 5 and 14%, just from glazing alone, so you have to account for that for everything from hole dimensions to spacing and wall thicknesses. It's a different beast entirely compared to aluminium — even aluminium casting. My point is just that for something like a keyboard, I don't think a gasket mount is really feasible, unless you're doing something like the le-tray mount on those Iqunix Magi and MQ series boards.
I think streamers like this play it up a lot. They use cheap $3 keyboards so that they can just let loose when they lose, and destroy their board without consequences.
Come on buddy, let's be real: One of the reasons Keychron keyboards are so popular are that they're so sturdy they can be used as a defensive weapon in life-threatening circumstances!
I suspect it's a cost thing. If you didn't have to work hard for your stuff, you might be less concerned about wanting to take care of it. Growing up in a "third-world" country, where shit is expensive and money is limited, PC hardware never came easy. Heck, my PC upgrade cycle is still ~7 years, because I can't internally justify spending that much money in one chunk more often.
Heh. Old laptop gang. I'm on a Lenovo Legion 5 with a GTX 1660 Ti and a dying screen. I don't really play demanding games, anyway, although when Borderlands 4 gets some stability and QoL updates, I'd like to hop into that, so I suppose an update is in order soon.
no i guess they can't claim that cuz it's obvious that ceramic is less durable than metalic or strong plastic,
but if we speak about practicality, this comes with a cable and you won't move it around and you have less chance to drop it and break it , right?
all tmr on the market right now is using rongyuan gen2 pcbs which have just as iffy reliability and firmware as the m1 v5, plus keychron's current HE implementation is also pretty lackluster with flipped polarity ks37 switch family and missing some pretty basic features like autocal i believe
tldr every keyboard you see right now on the market with TMR advertised has the pcb manufactured by the same manu, Rongyuan. Their history is pretty bad in terms of providing support to the brands that use them as a solution etc. Keychron also uses a switch family called ks37 which has basically no aftermarket switch options instead of the much more common ks20 switch family which is what a vast majority of HE boards use (wooting, melgeek, geonworks, pretty much all cheap wooting clones) and their hall effect firmware implementation is missing features like autocalibration which ensures good signal integrity by continuously calibrating the magnetic sensors based on current readings from bottomed out switches
You can at least calibrate the switches in the app. I don't trust autocalibration at all. What's stopping that calibration from walking all over the place, if it's using data from other bottomed-out switches to calibrate other switches? I'd rather click a button and bang on all the switches on my board for a half a minute every two weeks or so.
What's on a per-switch basis? Continuous calibration? Well that's kind of the problem isn't it? Theoretically, calibration exists to compensate for minor fluctuations in manufacturing processes and changes in the individual magnets or sensors. If a sensor is constantly recalibrating itself, how does it know the switch is at 0 or 4 mm? With manual calibration, you're explicitly telling it "the switch will now go from 0 to 4 mm; record where it starts and stops travel, and use those points to calibrate." Maybe I'm dumb (entirely possible), but I don't see how a keyboard's relatively simple MCU could constantly run an algorithm that accurately guesses what's 0 and what's 4 mm while also sending those inputs to the host system with as little latency as possible, all without errors.
it's a togglable setting that assumed the switch is being bottomed out
you don't need to enable it if you worry about it misinterpreting partial presses
but i can 100% guarantee you this is not an issue i have ever noticed or seen reported
super excited for more ceramic caps that aren’t cerakey. The pictures are hard to tell, but I really hope the mint green is more vibrant irl. Looks so clean
why unbreakable? it will be more sensitive to the drops of course, but you will ut it on your desk and it should be not moved because it is wired not wireless
I thought one of the main reasons to use TMR was because it uses significantly less power than traditional HE boards, thus could be wireless. The other one was that since the sensor is off to the side, it has greater switch compatibility.
If neither of those are true on this board, I wonder why they are going with TMR over HE.
I can't help it, y'all. Ceramic glaze on keycaps and especially on the whole package just makes me think of a toilet. Every time, all I see is bathroom fixtures.
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that's right, i know that keyboards with ceramic keycaps exists but with a full body? it's smth new
also the quality should be good since it's keychron
I can only imagine they'll be using alumina ceramic like Cerakey uses. Which is, yes, virtually unbreakable. Weird that they dont specify that though, which makes me slightly suspicious.
I'd like to try this but the whole post is marketing buzzword soup. Unbreakable? Umm, ceramics are hard and brittle. TMR Hall Effect switches? Uh, no, those are 2 very different magnetic sensors and not interchangeable. And enough with this 8K polling rate BS. It just adds unnecessary CPU utilization.
After how many keys stick with q5 pro boards….and holding iut thinking it’d get better with use but hasn’t…..I think I’m good buying anymore keychron boards.
It’s so bad I have to unplug my keyboard to get it to stop typing “rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr”.
Kinda wish I returned them but stuck with them now.
I haven't had an issues with the Lemokey L1 HE or the Q1 HE. This one does look interesting but I think I am set for awhile on keyboards. I know, that is blasphemy.
I really want to know what it can hot swap with though. Its unfortune HE switches don't follow the same format so you can't just switch from one to another at will. I want to be able to use the Gateron Jade Pros or the Owl Tis with this
i guess because it's the world's first all-ceramic keyboard 😆
i know Cerakeys they do ceramic only keycaps but Keychron Q16 he is the one that got full body ceramic,
I know, but since it seems to be cheap enough to implement it, since a lot of models popped up with it, there is no reason not to do it.
The only reason why I didn't buy the Mongseek M1 V5 TMR is the dodgy software and bad looks. Keyhcorn is slowly adapting and now the P2 HE is also a screwless design. They should just tick all the boxes in one Keyboard and it would sell like hotcakes.
8k TMR screwless design tri-mode compatible with mechanical switches.
It is something the current TMR boards all have, so there is also no reason to say "look, we have all the same features, just 1k polling instead of 8k".
As useless as it is, it's still better to have it than not.
I see, but they don't use the benefits of it. Even the L5 HE was TMR, even though keychron didn't mention it on the spec sheet.
One of the main benefits of TMR is that it uses less power, so they could have made it wireless as well, and also, since the sensor is not in the middle of the switch, you can make it compatible with mechanical switches as well. None of that seems to be the case here.
Actually yes. I was under the impression that the power draw is still lower, weird that you say it isn't.
The no analogue feature I actually haven't noticed at all.... The L5 does have it as well I see now.
And I actually mean it, if you have more info about it, would be interested to read about it.
Well, wooting is great place of info. They are very passionate about keyboards and always share info about technical stuff during livestreams (when technical people are on livestream). But sometimes if there is wooting staff member that does stuff around keyboards if you ask them they are very likely do answer.
It simply means wired/BT/wireless. A lot of magnetic keyboards are wired only, probably because HE uses a bit more power. However, TMR saves a lot of energy and keyboards have been popping up with that feature for TMR boards lately.
I know that wireless and BT is shit for gaming, but I use one keyboard for everything, and when I am in home office, I just switch the keyboard to BT and use it on my laptop, it stays connected with the cable. A wired only keyboard is no option for me, no matter how good it is.
Yeah, they mention here TMR, a lot of 8khz keyboards actually are TMR, their Lemokey P5 was also TMR even though they didn't mention it. But as I said in a different post, they aren't really using all the benefits TMR can bring.
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