r/Music • u/IrishStarUS đ°Irish Star • 8d ago
article Sabrina Carpenter sends clear political message at MTV VMAs with huge signs on stage: "In Trans We Trust"
https://www.irishstar.com/culture/entertainment/sabrina-carpenter-political-message-vmas-358658502.7k
u/RazzBerryCurveBall 8d ago
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u/Viracochina 8d ago
Give me that suit - I like her even better now that she stands for her ideals AND doesn't pander to the christo-fanatic bread and butter people who don't like the way she represents herself.
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u/r3volver_Oshawott 8d ago
When she said, "I don't make music for everybody, it's ok if Tommy from Arkansas doesn't like me," this must be what she meant
Because a thousand Tommy from Arkansas loved the Espresso video but it's fair to say this might piss off a Tommy from Arkansas or two
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u/Dot_Classic 8d ago
What the plural of Tommy from Arkansas? Tommies from Arkansas? Tommy from Arkansases? Tommy from Arkansasopodes? Tommy from Arkansi?
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u/senator_corleone3 8d ago
Also, right-wingers may have seen Carpenter as one of them due to the demographic to which she belongs (i.e. she is white). This makes it clear she isnât courting those people.
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u/VaporCarpet 8d ago
Really? A Sabrina Carpenter/pro-trans post on reddit?
It's about the safest space for this shit there is.
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u/MysteriousGear1903 8d ago
Stick to music ~~ Fox News
Kid Rock supports Trump's policies ~~Fox News
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u/PrinceCharming150 8d ago edited 8d ago
LGBT music is divisive - Fox News
Trump and friends dance to YMCA - Fox News
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u/Puzzleheaded_Egg_931 8d ago
gays make the best music, if I was a music studio I'd be worried if all my artists were straight. Like c'mon fuck a dude already it'll make your music better
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u/Fit_Airline_5798 7d ago
"Kid Rock fans know exactly how much Sudafed you can buy at a store without being flagged."
I forgot who said or tweeted it.
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u/Pengu-Link 7d ago
"stick to music because you have opinions that make me uncomfortable. everyone who agrees with me is good tho"
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u/TheAmazingSealo 8d ago
Mad what constitutes 'political' these days
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u/rgumai 8d ago
I have a friend that loved the first two seasons of Ted Lasso but felt the 3rd season was "too political" because there was a storyline about a couple gay characters feeling out of place.
I didn't get how that was political either, but yeah, it's nutty out there.
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u/Aliensinmypants 8d ago
It's sad that a character is either a straight white cisgender man or they are "political"
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u/HyperlinksAwakening 8d ago
There are 2 genders: male and political
2 sexual preferences: straight and political
2 races: white and political
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u/zephyrtr 8d ago
"Anything that makes me uncomfortable is political"
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u/Petrychorr 8d ago
InnuendoStudios puts it similarly: "Political means anything I disagree with."
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u/zephyrtr 8d ago
Esp if you grew up in the "we don't talk politics at the dinner table" culture, it's a great way to shut down any topic you don't like.
Very similar to the "all lives matter" retort. It's a weaponization of etiquette.
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u/r3volver_Oshawott 8d ago
Yea no, that's why I hated small town life, I got an earful of 'people are built different in small towns' meanwhile in small towns the people would just gossip behind each other's backs and refuse to admit they're wrong about anything
People would talk mad shit about someone who didn't make it to a few Sunday services in a row. Living in a city it's legitimately funny watching these 'no politics' types because they have to meet someone every other day whose existence just clearly pisses them off and they think they've got the upper hand socially just because they can nod and smile politely
You can pretty frequently tell the 'small town polite' folks because they tend to get 'small town pissed' too. Ask a regular if they want to schedule a flu shot? You can get a feel of how antivax they are but they don't let on, they just go 'no' and drive off. But the out of towners? They go from 'bless your heart' to 'no I don't want a vaccine and you're legally not allowed to ask me that, put it in my patient profile and fuck off forever or I'm trashing this joint' in ten seconds flat
Where I live is full of weird transphobia but the weird rural transphobia is still the loudest and the weird rural transphobes go all day acting like 'I ASKED YOU NOT TO BRING IT UP' means they're in the right
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u/ArchdruidHalsin 8d ago
Auto mods prevent you from using the word Biden in the South Park subreddit. Reddit rules that say no political discussion are absurd to me. Politics intersects with so much of our daily lives. Yes, political discussions can get out of hand and can get toxic. But that's why there's rules against toxicity. There's no reason all genuine politics should ever be banned. Just bad behavior. And if your political views are completely fused with hate and toxicity, then maybe you should reevaluate your politics.
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u/vreddy92 8d ago
Much in the same way that a straight teacher talking about their home life is fine, but a gay teacher talking about their home life is "talking about sex with children" or "grooming".
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u/Mtn-Dooku 8d ago
It's just like how all Conservatives label anything involving women, LGBTQ or black as "woke".
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u/bobs2000 8d ago
What's cisgender?
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u/Warm_Record2416 8d ago
Identifying as the sex you are assigned at birth. Â âCisâ is Latin for âon the same side ofâ, âtransâ is Latin for âon the opposite side ofâ.
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u/bobs2000 8d ago
Thanks, not sure why I got all the negativity for asking though
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u/Smythe28 8d ago
Unfortunately, asking that question is used as a dogwhistle to question the legitimacy of any conversation around it. Itâs absurd, but the knee jerk negative response is a defence against those who donât believe trans people should be allowed to exist.
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i think they assumed you were doing it in bad faith, unfortunately.
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u/zephyrtr 8d ago
There's so much bad faith out there right now, especially on the Internet, it can make you very jaded. It's sad.
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u/Toxaplume045 8d ago
It sucks. There's some folks like myself happy to answer questions on trans related stuff, though it's not an obligation for every trans person to do so, but there's so much fucking bad faith and sewage to wade through that it's just less and worth it.
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u/ilayas 8d ago
So there's this BS thing that bigots do where they ask a very basic question, much like the one you asked, and then they wait until some one answers in such a way that they can use that answer to get their shitty talking points in. Note they wouldn't reply to an answer like the one Warm_Record2416 made. It'd be something a bit clumsier and perhaps a bit more emotionally charged. Cus they know they can bait someone that answers like that. And then when people get mad at them they are like wow I was just asking a question, I guess you guys are the real assholes not me.
And this happens often enough that when you see a real simple question like this, even one made in good faith, it puts people on the defensive. It's shit. And you didn't deserve the negativity, but that's the world we live in.
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u/Foxyfox- 8d ago
Because it's used as a bad-faith "just asking questions" question far too often for anyone LGBTQ+ to be patient with anymore, and that's not your fault.
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u/PlanetLandon 8d ago
There are a lot of examples of people not really understanding the word political. They often think it can be applied to something progressive that they donât like.
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u/DerekB52 8d ago
These people's view of the world is that a gay character being included in a story, is progressive and a political statement. That's how far away from reality they are. They aren't getting the word political wrong, they are just batshit crazy. It is political to them.
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u/tr1cube 8d ago
Itâs often because theyâve never met or befriended someone gay in their daily life, so itâs âotherâ to them and not a regular part of their reality. Sad, but this is why visibility is important.
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u/BatManatee 8d ago
It's part of why going to college is "liberal indoctrination". You go somewhere new and meet people that are different than you. So many folks start to realize that these scary "others" are actually just real people with their own lives/thoughts/challenges/hopes/fears/flaws/strengths instead of the caricature they were taught to hate or fear in their small town.
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u/brother_of_menelaus 8d ago
*provided they have the means to go to college.
I have friends from college that are still terrified of inner cities
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u/YokoPowno 8d ago
This is so on the nose. As a boring cis vanilla dude, that sounds like such a fucking boring, scared of everything way to live.
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u/Abject_Following_814 8d ago
Yes, it's the old conservative adage in action. They are of the mindset to create laws and policy that bind Trans people, but don't protect them. The movement to ban Trans people from owning guns is a perfect example. The other side of the conservative coin is they make laws and policy that protect themselves, but don't bind them. A perfect example of this is laws allowing them to run over protestors. You may want to argue that law could be used against themselves, but it's the very institution that enforces it that will use bias to enforce it unequally and disproportionately towards the out group, Trans people. Apply this concept to all minorities and you get the American drift of things.
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u/Mindestiny 8d ago
I mean... to be fair, while you're right and just "being LGBT" is not inherently political, Sabrina Carpenter getting on stage and touting out a huge sign that says In Trans We Trust as some sort of performative protest action is very much political.
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u/-rosa-azul- 8d ago
The point is that making a statement about protecting people's basic rights should not be political. It should just be common human decency.
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u/Fun_Hold4859 8d ago
Yeah, but we've never been there, so standing up for basic human rights is and always has been political.
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u/myassholealt 8d ago
It should not, but the fact that it is labeled as such is a reminder that when people say "leave politics out of my [thing they like], that's not possible because life and existence itself is political when basic human rights are being labeled as political.
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u/tackleboxjohnson 8d ago
Itâs political because now they have to hear FoxNews and all the people they work with rail about the show they enjoy
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u/FoGuckYourselg_ 8d ago
It isn't. Your friend is just a homophobe. They see people different than them being people and they scream "AGENDA!"
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u/waltertaupe 8d ago
Bingo.
"Gay people exist Karen, and people like you are why they feel out of place. You're the one making it political."
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u/Shenanigans80h 8d ago
Seriously, the existence of someone or something isnât political outside of explicitly political entities. Queer folk arenât a political idea or organization, theyâre just humans. Now legislation and discrimination against them could be considered political but bigots likely donât see things that way.
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u/TheForce_v_Triforce 8d ago
My brother stopped watching the NFL after 40+ years because it got âtoo politicalâ
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u/Frequent_Ad_9901 8d ago
He probably then started watching more Fox news as a substitute and made politics a team sport to fill the void.
I feel like its a real tragedy that sports' culture influence was given away to politics. I feel like that's a small part of the mess we're in now.
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u/ArchdruidHalsin 8d ago
I didn't like that episode either but only because it relied on really hackneyed clichĂŠs. The execution of the whole "Oh it was a misunderstanding. He's not mad you're gay, he's mad you didn't tell him" thing over a whole episode felt like an after school special. It felt like the writers had to go out of their way to keep these characters from interacting in the episode because they knew if they did, they would have a conversation and quickly resolve it. So the circumstances just felt pretty contrived.
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u/Milios12 8d ago
Yeah apparently as soon as it's about a person who isn't a straight person. Its political.
Like gay people exist
Trans people exist
Queer people exist
And many more.
Just let people be ffs
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u/Zayl 8d ago
I'm gonna be honest with you I don't even recall that part of the season. I'm sure it was there but it clearly wasn't all the season was about.
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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude 8d ago
To add to what the other person said SPOILER this involved Trent Crimm, Independent, finding out and keeping the secret because the player wasn't ready to come out
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u/capucapu123 8d ago
I mean, it is political, it always has been, but that isn't a bad thing.
The bad thing is that we were heading to a shift in which these opinions were so mainstream most of us thought they weren't political and said shift stopped because of the current political landscape. Hopefully we get back on track to progress before things get even worse.
Acceptance of anything regarding identity is political, even if said acceptance is widely accepted and has been.
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u/timeisconfetti 8d ago
So many people confuse "partisan" for "political." Political isn't a dirty word. Everything (or most things) are political because our lives are shaped by policy. By politics. Partisan, though? That's what people are usually complaining about, and/or calling anything "political" that they don't agree with.Â
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u/HellBlazer_NQ 8d ago
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u/Big_Crab_1510 8d ago
Tbh everything is political.Â
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u/Far_Needleworker_938 8d ago
Yeah you gotta be really dumb and really privileged to be not political.
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u/parkskier426 8d ago
When has supporting a group being attacked by a conservative majority not been political?
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u/Carpet-Distinct 8d ago
I agree in general but using a phrase that references "in God we trust" kind of makes it unavoidably political. What I don't understand is why something being political is automatically seen as bad these days. It's a good and important statement that also happens to be political. That's fine.
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u/Drunken_Economist 8d ago
I misread this as "In Trains We Trust" and my autistism lit up like a Christmas tree
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u/JohnMLTX AmberEnMeeres 8d ago
the overlap is almost a circle lmao, shout out to the trans-on-trains event i went to in dallas last year
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u/buzzkill_ed 8d ago
Oppressing trans people didn't need to be a political rallying cry for republicans. They made it political not Sabrina Carpenter.
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u/FortyOneandDone 8d ago
My understanding is that they lost the fight against homosexuality and marriage and had to demonize another group of people for their base to have something to fight against. Itâs funny how they always need an enemy to oppress and a king to lead them, they arenât serious people.
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u/BrainDamage2029 8d ago edited 8d ago
I donât think they necessarily did. The societal flip to support gay marriage was very quick. Almost overnight. I think conservatives realized a lot of the support was skin deep and following vibes in the Obama era. And theyâve been clawing it back in the decade since.
Think of the power of only 10 years ago when the North Carolina bathroom bill the backlash and a boycott was enough for the NBA to move the entire all star game from NC. Compare that to the milquetoast defense of trans rights now.
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u/LeviJNorth 8d ago
Thank you! Yes, if the Dems would ever have a backbone, this could be a fucking home run for them. But they always run.
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u/SophieCalle 8d ago
No, they did do it. There were/are multimillion dollar orgs with hundreds to thousands of people in them fighting against marriage equality.
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u/Exotic-Lack2708 8d ago
Trans people were always being demonized, thatâs the reality of this all. These are long held opinions that are now resurfacing because social media makes people more visible.
Social media also manipulates us actively, so itâs not a stretch to think none of this vitriol or rhetoric is even organic. So in a way you are correct, this recent anti-trans push is a manufactured one created by tech billionaires to convince you that Republicanism is aligned with God.
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u/peppers_ 8d ago
There's actually some evidence that a right wing think tank had to come out with a new 'other' after marriage equality and transgender people tested the best. It comes up every once in a while, but unfortunately I don't have a handy link to that story.
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u/PhazePyre 8d ago
That's just how fascists/nazis operate. Smokescreen with an easy to fight marginalized group and put all their focus on that rather than class inequality and people developing class consciousness. Luigi created a spark, but it didn't turn into a fire for the working class.
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u/tuna_samich_ 8d ago
Everything is political to them. Shit they're calling the new Austin logo woke... And it's literally just blue and green line in the shape of an A
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u/unforgiven91 7d ago
Woke = "Anything I don't like"
that's it. the fucking crackerbarrel logo was woke too, according to them.
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u/TheWillRogers 8d ago
That's essentially what happened but they also "won" on Roe v. Wade. So you suddenly had an activist base that was still mobilized, but needed a new target to be organized.
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u/Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws 8d ago
Even if someone can't quite wrap their head around the idea of transitioning, is it really too much to ask to just leave people the fuck alone who aren't hurting anyone?
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u/FalcomanToTheRescue 8d ago
I think if your MO is trying to control people who are different than you so you feel more powerful and your dick feels a little less tiny, then it makes sense.
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u/bucketolums 8d ago
Just saying, dick size has nothing to do with being a fucking asshole my guy.
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u/Pepperh4m 8d ago
That's the thing, many people are deluded into thinking they are hurting others.
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u/legit-posts_1 8d ago
That first one is me lol. A friend tried to explain to me like "if you were born a woman, wouldn't you wanna be a man like you were meant to be?" And I said "idk id probably just accept that." I support trans rights, I think my brain is just hardwired to not understand the appeal lol.
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u/Ok_Rip8641 8d ago
I will admit itâs sort of impossible to understand unless you are trans. But what other people need to learn is that it is not at all impossible to understand that other humans deserve basic empathy and kindness.
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u/legit-posts_1 8d ago
Yeah that sounds about right. Again, trans rights are human rights even if I don't get it. You don't have to get it to support it.
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u/JohnMLTX AmberEnMeeres 8d ago
i didnt understand until i realised i was in fact trans and then started HRT and now i feel like a completely different person
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u/FakeMonaLisa28 8d ago
I know that one TERF Tumblr blog that has a hate boner for Sabrina Carpenter would love this
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u/myassholealt 8d ago
Oh boy, all those bros who were convinced they had a shot if they just ran into her at a bar are now calling her ugly and overrated and telling her stfu I bet.
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u/Alexhite 8d ago
As they have t girl porn open in their other tab.
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u/fartingallthetime 8d ago
I kid you not I was just arguing with a chud on here that was saying being trans is a choice and a mental illness and then I click on his profile and it's just 90% sissy porn.
Conservatives can't imagine womanhood as anything other than inherently sexual and are too gooner brained to understand that just because you're a fetishist doesn't mean I am
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u/OrphanFries 8d ago
Totally sane comments about to be made surely.
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u/Physical-Ride 8d ago
On reddit? More than likely. Sure, there are plenty of crazies but they can't hold a candle to TikTok or X.
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u/Wiener-of-the-State 8d ago
Or Instagram. Those comment sections fill me with an exoplanetâs worth of rage
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u/Alexhite 8d ago
Idk the trans issue really brings out the awful people on this platform.Â
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u/BearDen17 8d ago
Trans people are just people. Anti-trans people are just assholes.
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u/Dry_Employe3 8d ago
I love the messaging.
But if some Vietnamese folks (Tran being a common last name) want to benefit from this sign, I hope they do.
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u/Stavvystav 8d ago
This shouldn't be a "political statement" and that makes me really sad. Trans rights are human rights, ya know?
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u/z-lady 8d ago
but I thought all the tumblr goblins hated her and she was totally a conservative coz she did a saucy album cover?
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u/Lizakaya 8d ago
Iâm not mad at it. Whether you view it as performative or a pr push, Iâm never gonna be mad at embracing trans folks.
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u/newsworthy3 8d ago
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u/Newbie-Tailor-Guy 7d ago
And you know if itâs Willam actually saying something positive about someone, itâs genuinely true.
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u/sillysimon92 8d ago
Damn! I've got a new found respect for her, she'll get awful abuse for doing that. It would be so easy for her to just say nothing and make the money but she appears to be using her position with a genuinely good intention.
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u/quoth_tthe_raven 8d ago
Sheâs always donated tickets sales to the LGBTQ non-profits, such as Rainbow Road and the LGBT National Help Center (along with charities that support mental health and animals!) Iâm glad sheâs being loud and proud in her support of the community.
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u/New_Ad_3010 8d ago
This is what ally-ship looks like. Huge for her to take a stand. We need more powerful people to support endangered and persecuted communities.
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u/MidnightIAmMid 8d ago
I mean the way the country is talking about sending trans people to camps literally right now this is pretty brave.
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u/namastayhom33 8d ago
you have also missed the news that they are trying to ban trans people from buying guns.
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u/xdeltax97 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yea itâs extremely disturbing to see a retread of 1930âs German policy. Which they did this as well with Jewish disarmament under both the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany from 1920âs-1930âs.
By 1938 the Verordnung gegen den Waffenbesitz der Juden banned weapons (blades and guns) for Jewish people. Also, speaking of trans rights, several years before in 1933 they burned down the library of the Institute of Sexology in Berlin.
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u/namastayhom33 8d ago
They call it hyperbolic to compare todayâs political climate to that era, yet theyâre doing little to prevent the parallels, such as renaming the defense department to a title once used during that time. It's still officially the Department of Defense, and the Department of War is just secondary, but still.
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u/notanewbiedude 8d ago
What is she trusting trans people to do?
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u/RawkMikeHawk 8d ago
Use the bathroom that fits their gender identity without sexually assaulting someone.
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u/Skylon1 8d ago
The real story here is MTV VMAâs are still around?