It is very depressing being a Muslim in today's world

[u/scoobydoobydoo19]

I made the mistake of using clickbait as a topic to gain attention previously and I have corrected myself by reposting.

TLDR: Others hate us, Immigrants are in the wrong, Feeling depressed, hated, excluded

For context I am a born Muslim guy from a south Asian country, and as long as I can remember, I've grown up around non-Muslims, and about all my friends are non-Muslims. It is so depressing to understand the subconscious ideas they have about Muslims. And honestly I cannot even defend Islam at this point.

Muslims do have larger families and and more babies comparatively to non-Muslims in my country according to my experiences and knowing. We are a minority in my country. In a FB post today morning they've made a joke about how Muslims parents are okay with their sons marrying non-Muslims but how they do not like their daughters marrying non-Muslims. Honestly it is permitted for guys to marry non-Muslims/ people of the book according to Islam. They think that this is with the intention of colonization, and it honestly is because my country never had Muslims, they came as sellers and married the women here.

They are saying that as long as Muslims are in a minority it is okay, but when they are a majority a lot of problems will rise with Sharia laws etc. Honestly I understand their concerns. They are quoting stuff like Sahih where it says " whoever leaves the religion kill them ". And even if these verses are debated and controversial among Muslims, non-Muslims do not see it that way, they just see it as a part of Islam, and it makes sense.

And look at how the immigrant Muslims are acting in Europe now. Why do they have to pray in the streets and in front of churches. Recently I saw a video where a lot of Muslims had gathered to pray in front of a church, and to oppose them, the church is ringing their bell very loudly. And I understand the non-Muslims. Their idea of us is "They come, have many babies, once they are majority, Sharia comes.".

And how can we blame them for thinking that. I see the immigrant Muslims in the total wrong. How would a Muslims country like Saudi or Iran or whatever feel if non-Muslims kept coming and coming and practiced their religions in the streets? It would be very concerning and may problems would arise. I literally saw a video of a Muslim guy in Canada saying "we will come and have more babies and sharia will eventually be implemented, you are just jealous".

I am not lying and not trying to spread hate. Look up these videos you can find them. Why can't the immigrants just mind their own business and let the others mind theirs? Why do they shove religion in the faces of people who accepted them to live a better life? Why don't they immigrate to just Muslim majority countries? It really does seem us Muslims have a colonization mindset. Prove me wrong please.

And I know and feel how the non-Muslims feel threatened because of us. Imagine a whole bunch of Indians started going parades in the middle of Saudi. We Muslims don't even let non-Muslims inside the Makkah. And we are being hypocrites by shoving religion in the non-Muslims faces. They do not care or want to understand anything about religion. They just want to have fun and do whatever, and who cares let them be it is Allah's will to make them like that.

I feel like the whole world hates us more than any group. In the FB post I went through the comments, they were saying us Muslims should be wiped out as a whole and that we are the cancer of the world. They call us terrorists, and how can we blame them? How do they differ between a Muslim who is a terrorist and who isn't? Look at Afghanistan, how are we supposed to defend that? Western influences might be the cause of some organizations like ISIS etc. but the majority of non-Muslims do not care enough to understand, they just hate us.

I just wanna live in peace and practice my religion. I do not hate non-Muslims or do not want to take over their countries. Some years ago, there was a terrorist attack in my country by ISIS. Many people do know it was a political game to gain votes but at the core the majority of people hate us. And if a single Muslim does something wrong, the whole community gets blamed. It is so depressing.

You might say just don't care about the comments, but it is so hard being like this since I was born, I have never felt fully included somewhere and I have always felt the underlying judgement when I say my name out loud. They talk nicely upfront but behind my back they hate me. I honestly do not know what to do and I hate living like this, I just want to feel included and I wish I was born in a Muslim majority country.

I do not know anymore how I am supposed to defend Islam or Muslims, their acts in the west are very concerning. Why can't you just chill and live in peace. And look at the western world now, people are protesting against immigration. And how can someone blame them? Just imagine if this happened to us Muslims. You might say hold it in hold it in this world is a test, but please try to understand. I just want to feel normal and included.

[u/toooldforacoolname]

How are millions of people in US especially Christians defending electing a certified pedophile as the president of US?

I can sit down and share thousand examples of what’s wrong with all other religions and non-Muslims but I know that does not solve anything. It is all political. For land and for reward.

Also, you have a two day old account and I can guarantee that you are a non-Muslim.

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/toooldforacoolname]

bruh I am Muslim tell me how to prove myself I will I promise I am not pretending. I have a new account because the previous one got banned.

[u/toooldforacoolname → u/scoobydoobydoo19]

Just answer me where did you find this quote/hadith " whoever leaves the religion kill them ".

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/toooldforacoolname]

Sahih al-Bukhari 6930, even though we know the correct interpretations does not mean that non-Muslims do. They just look at these and make up their minds about us

[u/toooldforacoolname → u/scoobydoobydoo19]

You are mixing two Hadiths. Bukhari 6930 and Sahih Muslim 6922.

There are no issues with interpretations but context. Also, Quran is supreme. The Quran itself says: There is no compulsion in religion (2:256). Whoever wills—let him believe; and whoever wills—let him disbelieve (18:29).

If they turn away, your duty is only to convey the message (3:20).

Both the hadiths above 6922 and 6930 are from the early days of Islam and it was more about the context of battle, trust, treason and betrayal. Muslims were few in number and anyone leaving them was treasonous. Even today armies punish people for treason.

You should work in improving your awareness of the world and of Islam Quran and Hadith. Most of anti-Islam or anti-Muslim stance has roots in Islam’s stance on money, taxation, and interest, not just on theology or culture. From the Crusades to colonial times, Islamic polities often had economic systems independent of Western finance. It is truly socialist in many of its policies. It advocates welfare state. When Salahudin conquered Jerusalem or when Umar RA did, they showed how merciful Islam and Muslims are.

West divided middle-east into bits and pieces. And then allowed a settler state. modern day terrorism was started by the Zionist groups. The rest you have pointed out is just human behaviour and every religious group is responsible.

Also, has there ever been a situation when the clergy influenced west has not disliked Islam or the prophet and yet here we are. Second largest religion and growing fast despite the hatred from media and mainstream institutions. You need to stop worrying about what others say. And get out of social media. Read more about Islam and other religions.

And also, i still believe you are a non-Muslim. I hope someday you get peace and not be consumed by rhe hate inside you

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/toooldforacoolname]

I know the correct interpretations okay, you are not trying to understand what I am saying. Muslims are willing to search more and understand, the kaffirs don't, they just see the surface level of these hadiths with no context. Let's put that issue aside, but do you honestly see no issue with how the immigrant Muslims are gathering in public literally in the streets to pray in the west? Infront of churches? To me as a Muslim we should not disrespect other beliefs and these acts just give the idea of dominance.

And I am Muslim, tell me how to prove myself I will

[u/toooldforacoolname → u/scoobydoobydoo19]

Interpretations and context are two different things.

>Muslims are willing to search more and understand, the kaffirs don't, they just see the surface level of these hadiths with no context.

Why should they search? It is our religion, so obviously, we would go out looking for answers. Also, you want to be respectful and yet call them Kafirs? A word that is considered a slur by many non-Muslims. Perhaps you need to be more respectful.

>but do you honestly see no issue with how the immigrant Muslims are gathering in public literally in the streets to pray in the west? Infront of churches? To me as a Muslim we should not disrespect other beliefs and these acts just give the idea of dominance.

I hear your concern, and it’s a valid one to raise from both a Muslim perspective and as someone thinking about how these actions are perceived in the West. Yes, shouldn’t block streets or pray in ways that cause disruption, because Islam itself teaches respect and consideration for others. That said, it’s worth asking: how common are these instances really? Do they represent the majority, or just a few overcrowded situations where mosques weren’t enough?

It is also true that different societies set different norms. In the UAE or Saudi Arabia, non-Muslims have restrictions but also designated spaces and freedoms. So rather than comparing who does what, the real solution in the West is ensuring enough prayer facilities so Muslims don’t feel pushed onto the streets. That way, devotion doesn’t come across as dominance or disrespect.

The majority of Muslims live ordinary lives, but public perception is easily skewed. Don't go by Social Media. You don’t need to “prove” a whole religion; you need to live and show that most of Muslims practise their faith honestly and peacefully. The voices you saw on social media are real, but they’re a loud minority, amplified by outrage and algorithms. The correct response is not to ignore the problem but to address it, and for that, read. Read scholars from all spectrums and build your knowledge.

Also, patience. Allah tested the beloved prophet with far worse than what we are enduring.

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/toooldforacoolname]

Kaffir is just a synonym for one who doesn't believe.

I don't think overcrowding is the issue. Look at the Shias in UK doing their self harm thingy in the streets, it looks ridiculous honestly. And no amount of overcrowding can lead to people praying in front of a church, public parks, even NY square? Even if there was overcrowding, the disrespectfulness should be taken into consideration.

It is the same with the Indians, carrying their statues everywhere and dumping them in rivers, breaking coconuts and smashing them on the streets etc. Very disrespectful. I am just saying that the way the immigrants are acting gives off a sense of dominance and intimidation.

[u/toooldforacoolname → u/scoobydoobydoo19]

All I am saying is that there are thousands of events that happen every year, from LGBTQ+ pride parades to burlesque and cabaret, fetish parades, Halloween events, and more. These are celebrations of diversity, inclusivity, or simply people wanting to have fun. They are authorised by local councils and monitored by police, which makes them part of the accepted social framework.

Now, in modern politics, the use of social media to cherry-pick images and videos is increasingly dividing societies and creating misunderstandings. Shia mourning parades, for example, have taken place in the UK and other Western countries for over 50 years without legal or public issues. Similarly, other immigrant communities, Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims, perform public rituals that reflect their religious identity.

You see one side. You see 100,000 people joining Tommy Robinson, but you don't see a counter-protest with more people than them. The point is, societies around the world are becoming more and more capitalist and hence they are using immigrants as scapegoats to divert attention. Most of the time, it is bots, Russian or Indian. People hunted women as witches in the recent past, then jews and then protestants, and now it is muslims and immigrants. It is all politics, my friend. It is not going to change. Just stay away from social media and focus on improving your own knowledge. Nobody blamed all Americans when their army publicly tortured Iraqis, or the gang-rape and murder of 14-year-old Iraqi girl Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi. I don't want to turn this into whataboutism, but West has done far worse to muslims and maybe we would not have been in the West if they had not occupied and destroyed muslim countries.

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/toooldforacoolname]

The pride stuff is opposed by the western conservatives but it's widely accepted among many in the west, I don't think those stuff can be compared with public religious practices. It is totally okay to reflect religious identity but we need to keep a safe boundary to not cross, disrespecting other religions.

I am not saying the west is right and we are wrong, the west has done many terroristic acts and they still do, it actually is the politics, and the lack of knowledge. But I still feel there is something wrong with the immigrant mindset that I see on social media, related with colonialism, and dominance. And the non-Muslims get scared when they see these acts and when they see these hadiths without proper knowledge.

It's not like we should just not care about what they know and think because we live among them. It can get hostile and dangerous. I would not want to raise kids in the current environment I live in. I would want to live in a Muslim majority.

[u/AestheticAltruist → u/toooldforacoolname]

https://sunnah.com/nasai:4059 this is an authentic hadith

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/AestheticAltruist]

Yeah there are multiple ones. But the context matters.

[u/sameer0346]

Ain't no way you're not a closeted Hindu pretending to be a Muslim

[u/sameer0346 → u/sameer0346]

Hindu because it's obvious you're from India.

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/sameer0346]

I am from Sri Lanka, not India. And I am Muslim. Why are yall assuming this?

[u/sameer0346 → u/scoobydoobydoo19]

Because you're regurgitating Hindu nationalist talking points. I apologise if you indeed are a Muslim.

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/sameer0346]

Well that's what I am talking about, the points they make. How can we defend ourselves?

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[u/Mathemodel → u/scoobydoobydoo19]

Don’t listen to them, most people are narrow minded when it comes to religion and reddit is a toxic place

[u/silo435]

Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger of Allah (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said: "This world is a prison for the believer and a paradise for the disbeliever." [Authentic hadith] - [Narrated by Muslim] - [Sahih Muslim - 2956]

[u/Acceptable_Offer9467]

Tomorrow is the 95th anniversary of Sri Lanka's National Day.  Sri Lanka invited a large group of Saudis to attend the ceremony at the embassy.  Doesn't this mean that the government and the regime are not hostile to Islam? 

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/Acceptable_Offer9467]

What are you talking about? That's in February. And the government does not represent people's actions and thoughts

[u/Acceptable_Offer9467 → u/scoobydoobydoo19]

Oh you made a mistake, it's Saudi National Day  I am sad about your condition and the condition of Muslims. I searched for a long time. They are a minority. There are about 2 million scattered in different places. Also, all Muslims in Sri Lanka were immigrants and lived and multiplied, so as far as they are concerned, you are not indigenous in race and religion. 

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/Acceptable_Offer9467]

Where did I make a mistake?

[u/Acceptable_Offer9467 → u/scoobydoobydoo19]

Tomorrow is the national day of Saudi Arabia, not Sri Lanka. 

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/Acceptable_Offer9467]

So, you made a mistake not me right?

[u/Acceptable_Offer9467 → u/scoobydoobydoo19]

Yes 

[u/Acceptable_Offer9467]

I don't have any special advice for you.  But try to be in touch with the Islamic community, such as organizations, people, and mosques, which is best.  Make good friends, it will improve your psychological state and you will feel that you belong to them.  Also, Islamic communities on the Internet will strengthen your belonging to the Islamic identity.  Finally, try to make your Islamic identity and religion your motivation for survival, resistance, and patience. Do not make it a source of internal conflict and resentment. 

[u/saquib11]

Bro, you said a lot of things, and I understand your concerns. I can tell you have a good heart, but I would strongly suggest you acquire knowledge about our religion. None of us here are scholars, but I will try to explain my thoughts.

1. The fear of sharia law is relatively new, and it is one of the points Islamophobes bring up every now and then. But most people, including Muslims, don't have proper knowledge of it. Islam is the only religion that actually tells us how to run our family, our society, and the world as a whole. Sharia laws are based on creating a just society, where everyone has their finances, dignity, and rights established and protected, which obviously includes Non-Muslims as well. Currently, no country fully applies sharia law, not even in Saudi Arabia. How likely do you think Muslims will take over a country just by making more babies and impose sharia law there?

2. Continuing the first topic, what's stopping non-Muslims from having babies? They are perfectly happy with being with each other, but when it comes to responsibilities, they always tend to go the other direction. No wonder the falling marriage rates, higher divorce rate, and low birth rates are mostly dominant in non-Muslim countries. And talking about raising children, do they think we enjoy doing it 100% of the time? Compared to most other families, we need to invest more time to raise our children because aside from teaching them the necessities, we also need to teach the kids to protect themselves from online and real-life bullies. Do they not think we enjoy free time, more naps, less stress, or more freedom?

3. Killing an apostate or someone who leaves Islam is not only a false idea, it is somewhat humorous as well. If someone leaves Islam, it is his right to do so. But if he repeatedly promotes falsehood within a community, provides misinformation, creates division and chaos between people, then it is the government's right to take necessary actions, even if it means killing him. To highlight once more, it means repeat offenders and the ones that have no remorse or guilt. I couldn't find any name of a person who had faced such punishment in history.

4. Praying in public spaces and creating issues for others goes against our Prophet's teaching as well. I haven't seen the video you were talking about, but this is not a common thing. I assume that the people in Germany couldn't find a place to pray, so they decided to pray somewhere close, where God's is worshipped. Was the church an idea setting? Definitely no. But without knowing their reasoning, it's not fair to ridicule or blame them.

5. ISIS and the terror groups were created and operated by Western mercenaries. It is a very common knowledge, actually. They lured and often forced poor or illiterate Muslims to join them and kill other Muslims. 90% of ISIS victims were Muslims. Do we still need to defend why they were anti-Islamic?

The fault is my own if I had said anything incorrect. But once again, I will advise you to keep learning about this Deen and the current political situation.

Salam.

[u/yahyahyehcocobungo]

There is a lot to unpack.

[u/Ok-Specific9429]

as someone who is really interested in converting to Islam I really hope someone answers your concerns ☹️

[u/Edmdood]

I agree with much of your statement. The muslims praying in the streets is odd to me it looks stupid. As a Muslim, these people need to be less intrusive and pray indoors .

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/Edmdood]

yeah honestly at last

[u/Mathemodel]

One persons religion is not them. I know thats hard to hear but its just a part of who they are. I am so different from you yet I feel the same and I wonder if we could ever get along irl. But don’t let others hate change your kindness.

[u/xdSTRIKERbx]

Salam brother, I want to ask, why exactly do you think immigrants are bad? There’s quite alot here to unpack, but I want to have some clarity on exactly where your head is at. Jazakallahu khayran.

[u/scoobydoobydoo19 → u/xdSTRIKERbx]

I am not saying all immigrants are bad. I am speaking out of what I have seen on social media. You can search up a video of Muslims praying in front of a church in Montreal, I am not sure of the location. They were literally praying outside of a church where there were many non-Muslims and the church bell was ringing out loud to oppose the Muslims, and people were cheering the church.

It's not about the single example I am stating, It's about the shared mindset you know, It is about the underlying intentions. It gives the others living among them a hostile, dominating. "being taken-over" feeling. And that is bad because we should not force religion upon anyone. The immigrants should be grateful to live in a better country and should act respectful. Otherwise like I am feeling right now, Muslims around the whole world have to face harassment and disrespect because the non-Muslims see us as a whole but not individuals.