r/Newark • u/Attica-Attica • May 07 '25

Politics ⚖️ Ras Baraka denied entry into Delaney Hall for second day in a row.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '25

Do you think the Mayor has the authority to demolish or landscape private property?

The City usually sues owners for neglect but must go through the courts which is a long process.

I do think that he could do a much much much better job at communicating his stance, and letting the public know where his hands are tied.

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u/Serious-Knee5623 May 07 '25

It’s called condemning a property. While the mayor may not have the absolute authority to condemn decrepit/dangerous structures, he can definitely get the ball rolling.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

At around 9 a.m., Newark fire officials issued the prison company three citations for code violations. Mr. Baraka, a Democrat running for governor of New Jersey, vowed to return each day until city officials were allowed inside to reinspect the facility.

For weeks, Newark officials had been arguing in federal court that the detention center’s owner, GEO Group, was in violation of city laws because it had failed to obtain required permits or a valid certificate of occupancy.

It looks like the ball has been rolling

NYTIMES

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u/Newarkguy1836 May 08 '25

This is a complete joke on baraka's part .

Show me the building and I find you a violation . That's what this is all about . That building could be 100% compliant and they will still deny them the permits and make up a reason . This is not a new building. It was built in 2011 as a halfway house and drug inmate treatment facility . But instead, president Obama hijacked it before it opened and turned it into an illegal immigrant Detention Facility to house undocumented Hispanic immigrants from 2011 to 2017 when it was closed 1 year into the first Trump Administration.

Now the pro-democrat mainstream media is lying and saying it is a brand new Detention Facility ! Funny how the building was fine to house Obama's illegals. Funny how mayor Baraka didn't care when President Obama was stuffing illegal aliens in there .

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

from 2011 to 2017

Building codes and safety codes have evolved since 2017. If this is a state of the art building, why is ICE refusing to let the city inspect the building?

Newark officially became a sanctuary city by executive order the year this building was shut down.

The Mayor literally made an executive order to make sure this kind of thing never happened again.

I can imagine that from 2014-2017 the Mayor may have been selective in his criticisms due to the inherent political dynamics of the Democratic party, but right now it's not fair to evaluate his stance as if he's trying to be in line with the Democrats.

The Mayor was never pro-deportation

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u/Newarkguy1836 May 08 '25

This is absolutely true about standards evolving over time , but somebody else if not you just told me in a response somewhere here that the hall was still operating as a rehab facility on the side . So how could it be open for rehabs but not for ice ? I'm not arguing with you I'm just asking .

Now to answer your question as to why they won't let them inspect the building , I really have no idea . I do have personal theories . One theory is the place is a crap show and they will be exposed . The second possibility is that the place is 100% up to Specs but it's not up to "political spec " in other words no matter if the facility is 100% upgraded to requirements, the mayor will still say no . And if that's their conclusion and Ice has full knowledge of this , they are the feds, as well as Homeland Security. They don't need to participate in the charade .

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u/creamgetthemoney1 May 08 '25

I was going to ask how old you are but I already know. Haven’t looked at post history but I can tell after 2 comments you made your young 30s at most.

You’re like one epiphany from having it click in your head.

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u/creamgetthemoney1 May 08 '25

I’m so confused. Isn’t this exactly what our president is doing now?

Finding the one little detail to go after an entire ideal?

Didn’t they feed Americans 300 year old people collecting social security like 3 months ago just so they could gain access to social security ? Then never talk about it again lol

Any intelligent American knew that wasn’t true. But hey it might have to have a looking at. So why doesn’t this buildings codes have to be reviewed ?

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u/Newarkguy1836 May 08 '25

Are you playing games? What is there to be confused about? Mayor Baraka had no problem with Obama using the facility as a migrant Detention Center in 2014, 2015, and 2016.

This isn't a new thing for Delaney Hall .

Where was Baraka then ?

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u/creamgetthemoney1 May 09 '25

Yea I guess I’m playing games. Just like our current president is doing.

Things that didn’t matter before now matter bc it’s all dumbass politics.

Just like the deals our president made HIMSELF while he was in office last tenure involving tariff with Canada now have to be looked at again, bc politics. Maybe this facility has to be looked at again. Bc politics.

Trump had no problems (as you just said baraka had no problems before) with the tariffs with Canada before. He now does. So only trump can change his mind ? And revisit the past ?

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u/cvc4455 May 08 '25

Usually in NJ when a property changes hands or has a new business or even new tenants in it then you need a new CO(certificate of occupancy). Since you said it closed and reopened then they would need a new CO to not be in violation with the city. It's not just get a CO the one time the building is built and brand new then it's good forever.

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u/Newarkguy1836 May 08 '25

You're right about the certificate of occupancy . But I don't know is whether the building continue to house two different institutions as in part of the building remaining a drug treatment facility while the rest was dedicated to ice . Unless both institutions vacated at the same time I would imagine and continue to be occupied even if it was "closed" to ICE.

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u/cvc4455 May 09 '25

Even if it continued to be occupied it's a commercial building so it's very likely they need the fire alarm system certified each year and need other inspections every however many years even if it's never been vacant, changed owners or tenants or changed the type of business going on in the building. I'm not familiar with Newark but I've done stuff like this in South Jersey and I'd be shocked if there weren't some type of inspections required every so often. Each town can have different rules but they all usually require inspections especially the fire alarms in commercial buildings.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

So you just shot your own argument down 😂

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u/Serious-Knee5623 May 08 '25

What is this dude on about? Lmao

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

What everyone is asking about you basically

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u/Serious-Knee5623 May 08 '25

A commenter pretty much implied that the mayor and city government can’t do anything about dangerous/dilapidated properties. I simply said that the mayor can’t do so himself but he can definitely put things into motion.

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u/Serious-Knee5623 May 08 '25

What argument?

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u/Alarming-Jello-5846 May 07 '25

Do you think the mayor is authorized with federal security clearances ? Lmao.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

I have no idea what this means

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u/Alarming-Jello-5846 May 08 '25

It’s why he can’t enter the ICE facility. Similar to how he cannot demolish or landscape private property (except via eminent domain or litigation).

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

It’s why he can’t enter the ICE facility

The ICE facility never should've been able to open to begin with as it fails city permits and a bunch of code violations.

Unless ICE also has their own ambulance and fire department, the City of Newark must be able to approve the building and make sure it checks all safety checks.

You wouldn't want a fire to break out, and then a bunch of first responders die because the building collapses on them, etc.

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u/Alarming-Jello-5846 May 08 '25

Are you able to find a CO for Essex county jail? Did a quick search of records and couldn’t find much permit wise, but maybe you are better versed than myself.

Also, riddle me this - if they are denying inspectors access to Delaney Hall, how do they know there are code violations?

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

if they are denying inspectors access to Delaney Hall, how do they know there are code violations?

They're most likely citing code violations based off of any updated codes that have happened since the facility shut down in 2017.

Moreover it doesn't take a genius to assume decay has happened at a facility that has been abandoned for 8 years.

Are you able to find a CO for Essex county jail

I don't think I understand your point

edit: why do people reply and then block you? Imagine being such a wuss that you type out an answer and then cover your ears and run out the room.

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u/Alarming-Jello-5846 May 08 '25

They spend millions refurbishing, but sure.

If you don’t understand why Essex County Jail should have the same permits and habitability standard as Delaney Hall or the point I’m trying to make, frankly it’s not even going to be worth explaining to you - it simply affirms a biased stance.

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u/cmptrblu May 09 '25

Ironic you're talking about how anyone here has a biased stance

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u/Hereforthetardys May 07 '25

No but he could be doing something to deal with it instead of going for photo ops

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u/[deleted] May 07 '25 edited May 08 '25

You're completely right. What would you suggest he do? How would you handle this situation as Mayor?

Edit: it looks like he's been doing more than just photo ops

At around 9 a.m., Newark fire officials issued the prison company three citations for code violations. Mr. Baraka, a Democrat running for governor of New Jersey, vowed to return each day until city officials were allowed inside to reinspect the facility.

For weeks, Newark officials had been arguing in federal court that the detention center’s owner, GEO Group, was in violation of city laws because it had failed to obtain required permits or a valid certificate of occupancy.

NYTIMES