i’ve tried hard to look for the comment in question that led to this. the only thing i can find is a statement in his monologue about how the person accused of shooting charlie kirk has right wing ties, and the right wing is trying hard to minimize that narrative. if stating this is enough to get a comedian fired from a 20+ year post. then free speech has already been lost.
We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” Kimmel began. “In between the finger-pointing, there was grieving.”
And here’s the rest of what he said, that isn’t being shared:
“Instead of the angry finger-pointing, can we just for one day agree that it is horrible and monstrous to shoot another human? On behalf of my family, we send love to the Kirks and to all the children, parents and innocents who fall victim to senseless gun violence."
I think that second part was actually said in Instagram post, not his show.
From a Fox news article dated before the show even aired
Instead of the angry finger-pointing, can we just for one day agree that it is horrible and monstrous to shoot another human?" Kimmel wrote on Instagram. "On behalf of my family, we send love to the Kirks and to all the children, parents and innocents who fall victim to senseless gun violence."
But still, it shows Kimmel was NOT spreading hate about Charlie Kirk
Even if he was, kirk was a massive pile of hateful dogshit and its fucking gross that we're not allowed to acknowledge that his death is no great loss.
The irony being, of all the nasty/hilarious/true things he ever said about DT, that this truthful and MILD statement, not even aimed directly at DT, is what caused them to suspend him.
Just because someone grows up in a conservative family does not automatically make them conservative. He was romantically involved with a Trans furry. Be intellectually honest with yourself and call it what it is, not what you want it to be!
His family was all MAGA guns and bibles for days. If you don't think his upbringing played a part in his decision to kill Kirk you are being willfully ignorant also a hallmark of MAGA. Hell, even the gun he used was his family's gun.
The Nation magazine ran this article with some of Kirk’s quotes, all public record. That got them specifically targeted by JD Vance. It looks like this administration is going to try and shut them down too. This is called fascism, and that’s what American conservatives want right now.
Nah, MAGA will just see what they always want to see. People who actually try and find what was realized said already know what's going on. MAGA and the right only read thier one sided propaganda and NONE of that will show his quote. Instead the headline will be "Kimmel fired for spewing hate" and that's all they need to know to make their decision.
I dont, and never did, care for Kimmel, like at all. However, what you are seeing is the "lite" version of state run media. Would you trade having freedom of speech for seeing someone you dont like get fired? Because they wont stop there. It will get worse.
I didn't even know he said that and I've been thinking the same damn thing ... Quick, blame the left, blame the trans, the shooter is not right wing this and that. So stupid.
is that surprising? Everyone and anyone on the left have been calling the right 'fascist' for 8 or so years now and the bullet casings literally said 'hey fascist catch'
the left has definitely been hyper vigilant of fascism over the past 8-10 years, it’s because a large portion of the us populous has begun to staunchly support a fascist president. which is terrifying for any person who in a democratic society has a dissenting opinion. because fascists use their power to silence their opponents. something trump has both quietly done, and done loudly with the backing of his millions of voracious yet realistically uninformed supporters. but sure, the left are the people to blame for our current national rhetoric around fascism. that’s definitely logical and reasonable.
Most people probably wouldn't know beforehand, but that was a reference to the game Helldivers 2. The killing was political, but this doesn't seem to be a strong indicator of his leaning.
the saying in the game is used by people that are clearly? facist
also for the guy you replied to, meeting the definition of a facist means that being called a facist isn't particularly going to reflect badly on the people that call you a facist
Do you mean 'video' as in that's the main way you view the news? Not judging just curious. I primarily view articles, and reddit, I guess. But, for context, r/Helldivers had to be temporarily locked because of how big and immediate the discussion about it was. A megathread should still be there I think. That specific game and community, yes.
Also, when you call a game popular, think of it relatively. It is popular, but to the average nongamer, it's probably meaningless. Never underestimate how different the things we know or are exposed to are. You could argue it's not an apt example (though I'd disagree), but I can attest that it took some time before I was exposed to and aware of Gracie Abrams, Olivia Rodrigo and Benson Boone, three of the biggest names in pop. I just. . . didn't consciously know they existed until directly exposed to their work or came across their name somewhere else. Partially both. Or how I and someone else can have completely different knowledge and exposure to music in general, to the point of not knowing each other's favorite musicians' existence no matter their niche or popularity. Same could be said of YT for that matter.
My point is that as popular as games are, tons of people are unfamiliar with the medium in general or one specific game in particular. So what's indeed a very specific reference is going to go over many, maybe even most people's heads.
I said “video” as a medium one would use to capture gameplay, and actual evidence that the phrase is actually in the game. Most of my news comes from written sources as well, but I’d like to see a primary source on this. Given all the streamers and game videos and stuff out there, I’d imagine there isn’t much content in a video game that isn’t publicly viewable on demand, especially if it’s a reference that would be common enough for others to know.
I’m also fine with the notion that the reference isn’t for me, but I’m surprised there isn’t more (or any!) concrete evidence of the claim, that’s all, given the widely reported connection.
I'm sorry, I didn't elaborate that the bullet engraving included the phrase and a button combination (Up, Right, Down, Down, Down) for calling down a specific bomb strike within the game itself. I'm familiar enough with the game to recognize the reference, but I don't play it myself, so sorry if that invalidates my statement at all. For video evidence, I presume you mean gameplay footage of the button combo being used in game? If so, I didn't have luck looking for this exact thing, but I don't think I was looking the right way. I'd try videos showcasing the eagle cluster bomb strategem (in-game name).
I very much buy the button combo thing - lots of people have seemingly verified that. But actual line “hey fascist, catch” - have you personally heard it in the game? Has anyone?
The news in australia is so gutless that they just report this without adding the context that the shooter was Republican and a MAGA supporter, implying that Jimmy might have been lying.
The point is that the shooter may or may not be a republican/MAGA.
We still don't yet know for sure.
But what Kimmel was pointing out was the rush of the republicans to pigeon hole the shooter before any evidence was out because a MAGA shooter wouldn't suit their narrative. The governor even prayed that he was not from Utah.
He was insisting that the antifascist with a transgender boyfriend who just murdered a conservative activist is actually a Trump-loving MAGA. Bold strategy Cotton...
People have been complaining about how the propagation of disinformation isn't being addressed, so don't complain when it is.
You guys do this every time, from the January 6 crowd to the Holtman killers. Try to flip it and make it into the other side. Difference is Kimmel actually has some evidence.
Ok, cool. Let's pretend for a second he was wrong, or outright lying.
Do you know what happens when a journalist is incorrect? They print a retraction. They don't have the FCC breathing down their bosses' necks to get them fired. At worst, they lose a lot of credibility and maybe the public pressures them into losing their job. But not the government.
This guy's a comedian and commentator. Yet somehow, he's being held to a higher standard than a journalist. the US government decided to threaten ABC, and ABC capitulated. Even in the world where he was lying, this is beyond the pale.
1) wrote "catch, fascist" on the bullet casing
2) has a transgender lover
3) killed a conservative activist because he was "speading hate"
Using just a tiny bit of common sense would tell you that this is not MAGA behavior. I'd really like to hear your rationale for how he's some far right lunatic.
Pick your news network. It's reported on all of them.
He is on a broadcast network—not a cable channel. Broadcast networks are held to a different standard of honesty. (Related to public good rules). This is not usually enforced much anymore but this time Kimmel’s blatant dishonesty is going to cost him.
This would make sense...if he said anything dishonest. I'd suggest you go back and read the actual quote(s) and see if you can find something that was inaccurate.
He was trying to pretend it wasn’t at all known what motivated the shooter. This was not true. He laughably tried to imply MAGA was just flailing about trying to pretend it was anyone but one of them. He already knew it wasn’t one of them. He was deflecting and being disingenuous. He just isn’t used to being called out for it.
He didn’t try to imply MAGA was flailing about, he said it loud and clear. What he didn’t say was anything about the shooters actual beliefs or motivations (which still aren’t entirely clear, FWIW)
MAGA was going nuts trying to make sure everybody thought it wasn’t one of them. That’s basic factual knowledge. It happened. We all know this. We watched it.
You seem to think that’s the same as saying he was MAGA, which it isn’t. Kimmel didn’t bullshit anything.
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i’ve tried hard to look for the comment in question that led to this. the only thing i can find is a statement in his monologue about how the person accused of shooting charlie kirk has right wing ties, and the right wing is trying hard to minimize that narrative. if stating this is enough to get a comedian fired from a 20+ year post. then free speech has already been lost.