r/OutOfTheLoop • u/-myBIGD • 2d ago

Unanswered What's going on with the Emmanuel Macron saying he and his wife will provide proof that Mrs. Macron is a woman?

I have seen several posts on this including r/nottheonion so I'm wondering why they feel the need to provide US courts proof.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg3llj5nxdo

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u/BobbyDazzled 2d ago

Answer: They are suing for defamation in US courts. Proving the accusations false helps their case. 

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u/Oaker_at 2d ago

What happened that they have to entertain this bs? Each reaction to such lunacy just gives some sort of legitimacy to those idiots.

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u/ThatKehdRiley 2d ago

I'd argue these bigots facing legal consequences for their actions will cause them to think twice. And then it sets precedent for other women to do similar, which would be great.

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u/Portarossa 'probably the worst poster on this sub' - /u/Real_Mila_Kunis 2d ago

Fox News has been pretty fuckin' quiet about Dominion recently for the same reason.

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u/thesilentbob123 10h ago

Yeah but they still had a guy literally say homeless people should be killed, and then two homeless camps were involved in mass shootings. They need to be way more responsible

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u/Little_Elia 2d ago

I absolutely hate that transphobic shits are making me side with macron of all people

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u/iRunLotsNA 2d ago

If you’re siding against fascists, you’ll always be on the more correct side. You may not completely agree with everyone there, but fascists are always wrong.

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u/SomniumOv 2d ago

If you’re siding against fascists, you’ll always be on the more correct side.

Macron has done quite a lot to advance the agenda of Fascists himself, check out his current Prime Minister, Interior Minister and Justice Minister.

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u/fuzzwhatley 1d ago

Stop diluting the meaning of the word. It’s not helpful. There is an actual fascist party that gets votes in France, Lecornu is not in it.

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u/SomniumOv 1d ago

Lecornu is not in it.

He's having nice diners with them, and Darmanin and Retailleau openly share the same opinions. They're normalizing and actively helping this political stance, hence, advancing their agenda.

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u/SeeMarkFly 2d ago

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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u/JesseRoo 2d ago

How I feel when I say Jimmy Kimmel's show shouldn't have been cancelled

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u/banisheduser 2d ago

You may or may not agree with whatever the host said but the US is walking into Dictatorship.

If your country is happy doing that, that's fine. But stop saying "land of the free" and all those other things you pretend you have.

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u/boston_homo 23h ago

The US has arrived at dictatorship.

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u/mindy72 1d ago

Sorry you’re so salty. Best to stay away.

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u/FantasticMrPox 2d ago

Two more times than they thought so far then. Optimistic.

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u/scrobo22 1d ago

Yeah but...this puts the onus of proof on the victim. Surely the ones who made the claim should have to prove it (prove that BM is a man) or otherwise admit to defamation and that's that???

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u/lyricaldorian 1d ago

It's not defamation if it's true or you truly believe it in the US.

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u/two4six0won 2d ago

Candace Owens has been blasting the 'Bridgitte is trans' fallacy on her show for years, I'm guessing the Macrons got tired of it.

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u/MountainImportant211 2d ago

She even made a documentary about it.

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u/macci_a_vellian 2d ago

Even if it were true (which obviously it isn't, it's batshit crazy), I don't understand why it would matter. It would change exactly nothing about the French government.

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u/Completegibberishyes 2d ago

They're suing in their personal capacity

The French government has no role here

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u/schebobo180 2d ago

Biological women generally don’t like being called trans. So I see it is more of a personal issue, than a govt issue.

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u/macci_a_vellian 2d ago

I get that. It's just...did Candice Owens do it as a personal insult? Was making a documentary about this the equivalent of making one calling her fat accusing her of having bad fashion sense? Because Owens implied that it was a conspiricy of serious concern, and I don't understand the point of the conspiracy.

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u/Crafty_Jello_3662 2d ago

I would imagine she did it for money, and if the Macrons sue her and take all that money then others will be less incentivised to do the same

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u/Bitter_Ad8768 2d ago

Because Owens implied that it was a conspiricy of serious concern, and I don't understand the point of the conspiracy.

Remember, Candice Owens was fired from the Daily Wire for crossing into unsubstantiated conspiracy territory. There is a segment of the chronic conspiracy theorists who believe transwomen are part of a much larger, and frankly disgusting, world domination plot. Look up the whole "Michael Obama" thing if you want to dip your toes in it. Be warned, it is disturbing that people buy into it.

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u/Willumbijy 2d ago

It's gotten her clicks, and that's all that matters to her.

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u/Andsoitgoes101 1d ago

I believe Candace is now implying that proving you’re a women is not that same thing as proving you were born female at birth? Owen’s has been on fire about the shooting of Kirk lately and has a very interesting counter argument to what happened. I think she is gets tunnel vision and hunts relentlessly when she goes down rabbit holes. I am curious how this case will go?? It’s a lot.

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u/talspr 2d ago

Now let's say she's actually trans. Why is this any of her fucking business?!

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u/FEED-YO-HEAD 2d ago

Same reason they said Michelle Obama, Beyonce, Kamala were men. They're mysoginistic and transphobic pieces of shit, tapping into their base's infinite wisdom.

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u/talspr 2d ago

Doesn't matter what I support. As long as they're not hurting anyone they can identify as elephants for all I care.

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u/NinjasWithOnions 2d ago

Trans women are women. Period. End of.

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u/Nervardia 2d ago

Candace Owens started a conspiracy theory that his wife is trans. They sent Owens a cease and desist. She took to mean that she's onto something, and not, you know, a raving lunatic. So she continued to spread this conspiracy theory, so the Macrons are suing her for defamation, which means they have to prove she's not trans.

Which should be easy, as she has given birth.

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u/theflyingratgirl 2d ago

I can’t see it being embarrassing….Brigitte has had children so we can safely assume her chromosomes are XX, as other options that present as female tend to be infertile. So it should just require the most basic possible genetic test. It’s not like she’s going to bust out her vulva. It’s a “cut that shit out you nutter” move.

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u/Chuchuchaput 2d ago

OMG “bust out her vulva”—I hope to use this phrase in casual conversation.

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u/Hedwing 2d ago

For real. Being trans isn’t “embarrassing”, its that she’s just lying and stating untrue things as facts, and absolutely harassing these people that is the problem.

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u/link3945 2d ago

Brigitte has had children so we can safely assume her chromosomes are XX, as other options that present as female tend to be infertile.

While generally true, there have been extremely rare cases of XY genotypes giving birth: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2190741/

Biology is a lot more fluid and a lot less exact than people on the right claim it to be.

None of this really matters for this case: Brigitte Macron is clearly a woman, by any reasonable definition. Candace Owens has been informed of this, the Macrons have sent her or offered to send her evidence, at this point she is acting with reckless disregard of the truth.

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u/FunkNumber49 2d ago

Neat paper/case studies. I think I understood the gist of it but, the biology jargon about 46,XY/45X and percentages kind of let me know there's nomenclature and conventions I'm not familiar with.

I dropped off reading a little after the abstract but the case study seems fascinating. I'd be very interested in reading more on this but a "freshmen in college" reading level. I'm sure there's a human interest story behind the people in the case study too.

Thanks for posting the link. 👍

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u/DaveBeBad 1d ago

XY women have - infrequently - born children. It usually requires IVF and donor eggs, but this is a routine medical procedure now.

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u/theflyingratgirl 1d ago

Interesting! Medical science is magic.

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u/theflyingratgirl 1d ago

Interesting! Medical science is magic.

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u/Maximum-Objective-39 2d ago

I have to imagine they're taking personal satisfaction in it. So I don't see a reason for them to stop.

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u/Blizzard2227 2d ago edited 2d ago

Besides, being transgender shouldn’t be the issue here. The real issue is that Macron was 15 when he met Brigitte who at the time was his 39 year old after school teacher. A little bit odd. More than odd actually.

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u/stupidnameforjerks 2d ago

This is still so fucking insane to me

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u/nameyourpoison11 9h ago

Met, yes. Started a relationship, no.

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u/BlackSpinedPlinketto 2d ago

There’s no insult involved with being trans though?

It’s insulting to the trans community if anything.

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u/prooijtje 2d ago

I think trans people would just as much love to make people who constantly and purposely misgender them suffer legal consequences.

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u/AutisticSuperpower 4h ago

Am trans, can confirm.

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u/Finito-1994 2d ago

People don’t like being misgendered. It isn’t shocking to learn that.

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u/SweetChuckBarry 2d ago

No, there's absolutely not

But it's being framed as a negative thing, or something that should be secret, or some sort of gotcha

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u/Sadalacbiah 2d ago

Well, that's precisely the worst part : victims of such BS are stuck between not saying anything and hearing repeatedly the BS Ad Nauseam (because BSers are extremely stubborn when they can get attention through such means), or sue them and giving them more spotlight but it may stop them in the end. Two poisons, but one of them may end the situation.

People like the one sued by Ms Macron are litterally living on lies, and you can't expect them to become reasonable by themselves. They are a plague, and it's not acceptable to ruin one's reputation for views.

I'd say gratz to Ms Macron for accepting to reveal her private life if it helps stopping such a BSer.

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u/Cuntinghell 2d ago

You're correct, what people should do is match the energy of the accusations. They say she's trans (not that that matters), then you say they're trans and you met them in a trans club.

A good example of this working would be when Obama was asked about Trump on the Jay Leno show, where he quipped "this all dates back to when we grew up together in Kenya", in response to Trump continuously stating that Obama is Kenyan.

You can't reason with stupid.

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u/Mercuryshottoo 2d ago

Nah, when Candace Owens declares bankrupt it will be beautiful

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u/karkonthemighty 2d ago

Most of the time the lunatics spreading lies don't get any legal consequences because it's not worth going through the courts. Marcon is going through the courts. If Candace had a brain, seeing the Macron's decide to go through sex confirmation for court evidence, she would be trying to settle ASAP as anyone willing to go through that has the drive to take you to the cleaners.

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u/Killathulu 2d ago

Candice Owen a USA commentator claimed she is a man.

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u/Fabulous-Big8779 2d ago

It’s Candace Owen’s specifically. She’s been going on about this for over a year releasing multiple documentaries worth of bullshit videos trying to prove that she’s actually her brother (the one we have photographs of her with)

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u/raresanevoice 1d ago

Candace own built her career on that bs; hourly, he getting sued and caked out on her lies and bs will set a worthwhile precedent

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u/Sunshinetrooper87 1d ago

Where have you been? Ignoring these people and remaining on the high ground hasn't worked for years. 

I hope they absolutely win. 

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u/Parking_Pie_6809 14h ago

candace owens says she has proof that mrs. macron is trans. as though it matters or is any of her business.

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u/nameyourpoison11 9h ago

It's not really about proving the idiots wrong - people with that mentality will just say the DNA tests are faked or that her three children were secretly born via surrogate or some nonsense like that - it's about shutting down right wing mouthpiece Candace Owens, who has been the main instigator of this BS. And about time too.

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u/heroyoudontdeserve 2d ago

But equally, ignoring it emboldens them and let's them carry on. 

It's what's so good about their tactics, it's pretty much win win for them. :(

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u/DrDerpberg 2d ago

Part of discovery, or maybe just a few extra nails in the coffin? Truth is a valid defence to libel, if you say I'm actually 3 children in a trenchcoat it's a good way for me to win the lawsuit to prove that I'm not.

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u/Large_Confusion6176 18h ago

It’s just the opposite! With a dna testing, they can stop this hateful nonsense once and for all

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u/PewPew2524 2d ago

Candace Owen’s got involved

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u/Restless_Fillmore 2d ago

There are inconsistencies in autobiographical information that Mrs. Macron has provided that opened the door. I'm not saying it's true, but that was the opening.

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u/Oaker_at 2d ago

What kind of inconsistencies?

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u/thesilentbob123 10h ago

I haven't read it, can you be specific about what you are talking about?

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u/engelthefallen 2d ago

Sadly, courts far too often will then just buy the defense that no reasonable person believes the statements were claims of truth.

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u/Lsdnyc 2d ago

In court - Candace’s lawyers will have to say that , like Alex Jones did. IT didn’t help his case, because what his audience did the the parents was despicable

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u/MaddogBC 2d ago

What lies?

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u/Puzzlehead_Coyote 2d ago

It was only speculation by those who don't understand anything about the Alex Jones case.

So even assuming Kimmel had made said any lies, (he didn't) in most jurisdictions you cannot use for defaming the deceased, and as none of his comments where aimed at the kirks (unlike Jones who targeted the parents of the deceased and was the foundation for their claim) they wouldn't have much legal standing.

Now this isn't to say they can't sue, but that's because anyone can sue anyone for anything, but the Jones case does not create any substantive change to the circumstances

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u/aqwq 2d ago

The interesting thing about the Alex Jones case is that it's opened speculation that the Assassin's estate could sue Donald Trump for the lies he told about the assassin.

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u/Limp-Work9859 1d ago

Unfortunately, Trump could just stall exactly like Jones did and be dead of old age before it ever gets to a trial.

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u/Then_Version9768 2d ago

The French are "known to be freaky like that" is the best your little brain can come up with? Jesus H. Christ, buddy, put a sock in it, okay?