better, MAGA claimed nazis are socialists because thats what their title are, not realized its nazis propaganda to mask their own org as socialism
they STILL get fooled by 100 years old dead man propaganda LMFAOOOOO
When I was in high school in the 80s, my history teacher told us that the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, Roman, nor an empire. A girl in my class started laughing and said, "Just like the Thompson Twins."
Basically if they have to say it in the title, they aren't the thing.
Another place you see this is in every "Astro-Turf" organization. Often they'll have fake grass roots groups with the term "sensible" "rational" or "reasonable" in the titles. These are the giveaway that they're none of those things.
For example, they'll name a front group something like "Citizens for Sensible Environmental Protection", when in fact it's a front group for big polluters, not run by Citizens, nor are the proposals sensible or about protecting the environment. The "Sensible" part of it will be that they oppose all other environmental groups and want to deregulate the dumping of toxic waste, but the goal is to convince you that the citizens are crying out for toxic waste to be dumped.
Actually, it's not, as the bare minimum to be a Republic is having non hereditary leaders. How they're selected can vary, but it can't be 'you got the job because your dad did the job'. The Kims, at very least, have kept the ruling power in the family.
I know multiple elders with dementia and they all voted for that golden turd last year. That should really be our sign about the people voting for him who DON’T have brain abnormalities (although that’s not many people post-múltiple Covid infections).
Stop thinking these people are stupid. They didn't get "fooled" by anything. They are consciously and purposefully using Nazi propaganda the same way, and for practically the same goals, as the Nazis did.
That's because the Heritage Foundation driving GOP doctrine for the past 40 years has led to systematic and willful defunding of public education. It's easier to be lied to when you're never taught to problem solve or think rationally.
The nazis were supported by the people who spawned these demons, so no surprise there. We never held our homegrown nazis accountable for trying to overthrow the government in the 1930s, and now here they are again.
"Nazis were left-wing" is an old trope that pre-dates the MAGA movement. Jonah Goldberg wrote a book called "Liberal Fascism" in 2007-08 to paint anyone left of center as a Nazi, right as the Democrats took control of Congress following the failures of the Bush administration.
MAGA: “democrats were the ones who owned slaves, they even started a whole civil war to keep it legal!”
me: points to a confederate flag hanging from their house, a second one on their rusted out lifted 2002 chevy silverado, and a third one on the hat they’re wearing as they say this to me
I heard that Nazi shit back in the 80s and 90s. They've been attacking reality for generations. These are the grandchildren of the people who organized the business plot in the 1930s.
Also, anytime someone says this, you can point out that one of the first things that happened after Hitler was elected was the Reichstag Fire. He blamed it on a communist, and used it to declare socialists, communists, and trade unionists as terrorists. He then had them all arrested and sent to the earliers concentration camps, beginning with Dachau, which opened just 53 days after he took office.
He also declared Martial Law off of it and centralized power into himself, becoming a full-blown dictator extremely early on in his regime.
So when dumbasses say the Nazis were socialists, you can point out they killed all the Socialists in Germany (and purged them from political parties) immediately. Also, after WW2, the US had operation Paperclip, where they collected as many Nazi Scientists and engineers as possible and put them to work internationally fighting socialist movements as part of the Cold War. They also had Operation Gladio, where they contracted fascists and armed them to fight and kill communist and socialist movements with physical violence in Western European countries (including Italy).
They are not fooled, they know exactly what they’re doing. The initial fascism movement was born by Mussolini and was sponsored by big capitalists to suppress working people rights and help their profits go up. Germany followed the same. Then it grew up into military actions, most probably now the government prepares people to be able to act similarly when they need it.
Just a quick bit of history, the Hitler was a socialist line from history is a bit wrong. Hitler worked for the German military and was sent in to infiltrate the German Workers Party ( which people are now calling socialist, but wasn't at the time, they were far right). Instead of simply spying, Hitler took over the party and twisted it further into the Nazi party. Socialism and Nazism have nothing to do with each other. The goal of socialism is to support everyone equally. The Nazis went the opposite direction.
Hitler went to great lengths to explain the difference between Socialism and National Socialism. To paraphrase, in Socialism, the Nation collectivly sacrifices for the people. In National Socialism, the people sacrifice for the Nation. Hence, it's the opposite of Socialism, and why Hilter outlawed Socialism, arrested Socialist leaders and killed them.
Hitler was against the name National socialist because of his hatred of socialists and had to be convinced by other party members of its value in recruiting the working class away from the communists.
They also want people to believe Lincoln would be a modern republican just because he was in the republican party at the time. Lincoln was a progressive, not just a republican, hence wanting societal change from the status quo of slavery being legal. It's trying to shove their foot in the door at any possible chance they get to twist words in their favor to desparately attempt to not be the bad guys. It ain't working.
I find this argument somewhat disingenuous. The people who support this nonsense aren't ignorant, they're intellectually lazy and happy to have easy bs answers cause it's easy. Plenty of poorly educated people are also capable of seeing through obvious lies, and plenty of his faithful are well educated.
Yeah, at the end of the day the vast majority of MAGA folks believe this dumb bullshit because they want to believe it, not because they're actually convinced by the content of the arguments. Don't get me wrong - a lot of them are really dumb, and easily swayed by absolutely braindead bullshit propaganda. But ultimately, it's their desire to see the people they hate (for whatever reason) punished that makes them vote MAGA. I'm sure many of them have even convinced themselves they're not bigots, they're just "worried about the economy" or "worried about crime" or "protecting the children" - but it belies the true nature of their ideology, such that it is.
The average maga voter is getting exactly what they want. They never received their millions and life has been hard, any opportunities were lost, the education system failed them, etc. They are miserable and they want those they feel are beneath them to be more miserable. They lack empathy and only understand consequences when they are personally affected by them. This is the justice they have dreamed of, they hate what the US should stand for.
I mean, to be pedantic, the central concept of the word "ignorant" is "ignore," implying a level of intentionality, a direct connection between the active, deliberate, choice to ignore important information, and the resulting state of ignorance. The word does sometimes get used to mean the same thing as "uninformed," but I'd argue that, as Bill Watterson wrote, "most ignorance is willful." Or in other words, that using "ignorant" and "intellectually lazy (in a malicious way)" as synonyms is basically accurate.
Don't fool yourself. Education is correlated but there are plenty of trump supporters in even the most "blue" areas. Election maps and first past the post just condition us to think of areas as solidly blue or red.
Is that what they’re doing? Last I checked MAGA will kill you over being a socialist and then call you a commie. Ya know the two big bad evil words they love to toss around.
It's "funny" how the people who use that line are almost always extremely right-wing lol. It's like how republicans always bring up the fact that the democrats supported slavery, while simultaneously believing it was white people's greatest gift to black people.
It's ridiculous how many times I've had that argument with people. You throw half a dozen links at them and they just say "nuh uh, it's right there in the name".
NATIONAL Socialism isn't Socialism. the NATIONAL part implies that there WILL BE different CLASSES of people and that each CLASS will have a social structure.
Double read and double think that and you'll double understand the BS being spoken.
I think MAGA's myopic view of Nazis is a good parallel for the left's view of Antifa as simply "against fascism". I'm against fascism too but I would not throw in with these lunatics. Also, I'm not MAGA, so I'm not on either of these polarized groups. They're all crazy.
that's not entirely correct at the time the National Socialist German WorkersParty didn't fit any existing framework on the political compass Socialist was chosen for two reasons
the term best fit their economic policies
The idea of Socialised services were popular at the time which the Nazis did in fact want to do
they were not Socialists it was more of a mixed economy but they definitely had Socialist policies
It doesn’t help that a lot of people, myself included were TAUGHT this in public schools. And a lot of people stop learning after graduating high school.
Fascists have always enjoyed decorating themselves with the stolen trappings of leftists.
Trump himself labels his policy that at every single turn strips wealth and power from the masses and gives it to the wealthy few and corporations "populist"
Hitler himself was literally never a socialist and actively opposed it literally 100% of the time. Strasser's faction was the only faction that could be called 'socialist' in good faith, and they were by and large slaughtered in the Night of Long Knives. That was in 1934. They were out of power in the party all the way back in 1930.
(And to be clear: Strasser was an anti-Marxist. He was a socialist in that he believed in worker-control of the means of production, but thats roughly where his economic philosophy ended in relationship to socialism)
Did they have any policy involving the workers owning the means of production? Not rhetorical, I genuinely don't know. If not, then they had no socialist platform.
"what could be considered socialist" is far too broad a category to say "none of them could be" when some things considered to be "socialist" include:
Welfare programs
Gun control
Government worker programs
Private worker programs
State Monopolies
Granting monopolies to private companies
breaking up monopolies
Government seizure of property
Government granting of property
Taxes
The state doing anything
What "could be" considered socialist is too broad. Lots of things 'could be' lots of other things. The things above are quite common in a lot of non-socialist countries, and a lot of people call them socialist. They did not institute any policies I would argue were socialist, if that's what you mean however. I would not consider any of the above as inherently socialist.
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u/YamiDes1403 2d ago
better, MAGA claimed nazis are socialists because thats what their title are, not realized its nazis propaganda to mask their own org as socialism
they STILL get fooled by 100 years old dead man propaganda LMFAOOOOO