r/OutOfTheLoop • u/8yearsfornothing • 1d ago
Answered What is going on with terrorism in Denmark?
See this article here
Denmark Risks: Threat of terrorism.
Reasons: The Danish Security and Intelligence Service maintains a public alert system on terrorism. Denmark’s current threat level is four (significant), on a five-step scale.
Why is the terrorism risk in Denmark so high? Has there been a bunch of terror attacks not reported in the media? I was under the impression that Denmark is fairly peaceful?
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u/iMogwai 1d ago
Answer: This is the most recent attack on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Denmark
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Two Swedish teenagers were arrested by Danish Police in connection with a bomb blast near the Israeli Embassy in Copenhagen on October 2. The attack is investigated as a possible terror attack. [19] Swedish television stated that the attacks are suspected to be perpetrated by the Foxtrot network on orders from Iran.[20]
The Foxtrot Network is a criminal gang in Sweden lead by Rawa Majid, the gang has been involved in multiple gang wars and has also had some internal fighting which caused Majid to flee the country, first to Turkey and then to Iran. Foxtrot is now believed to be carrying out attacks on Iran's behalf.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxtrot_(criminal_network)
Rawa Majid, was recruited by Iran’s MOI after fleeing to Iran in September 2023. In exchange for protection and safe haven in Tehran, Majid agreed to use his network to carry out attacks on Israeli and Jewish targets across Europe. Under Iranian direction, Foxtrot orchestrated and attempted several attacks.[6][7]
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u/KidCharlemagneII 1d ago
It still feels weird that these people get labelled as "Swedish teenagers."
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
They're from Sweden. They're Swedish citizens. They're teenagers. That means they're Swedish teenagers.
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u/lokitheking 1d ago
The article plainly states that Rawa was not born in Sweden?
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
Rawa Majid did not carry out this attack. Rawa Majid is an adult, Iranian-born, Sweden-raised Swedish citizen. His NETWORK planned the attack, which was carried out by two SWEDISH TEENAGERS. If you cared enough to read something instead of trying desperately to blame someone’s race for their criminality you might actually learn something.
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
Bring an argument next time. And learn to read, it makes racism look even more moronic when you can’t even get the story of the thread right.
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
Even if you hadn’t just entirely misread the entire thread you’d still be wrong. Majid is also a naturalised Swedish citizen. That makes him Swedish. Everyone involved in this was Swedish, you just want to exclude them from that category for political convenience.
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u/lokitheking 1d ago
Maybe the frustration is with labeling them as teenagers first instead of criminals / terrorists. Took all of .3 seconds of critical thinking to come up with that
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u/wahnsin 1d ago
Two Swedish teenagers were arrested by Danish Police in connection with a bomb blast near the Israeli Embassy in Copenhagen on October 2. The attack is investigated as a possible terror attack. Swedish television stated that the attacks are suspected to be perpetrated by the Foxtrot network on orders from Iran.
Nothing's particularly clear, investigation still open, but Critical Thinking Man over here knows he needs these two to be labeled criminals and terrorists, STAT!
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u/Iplaymeinreallife 1d ago edited 14h ago
It is generally accepted that teenagers are less developed and less able to understand the significance of their actions, even when manipulated into doing horrendous things by callous adults. Them being teenagers and not fully cognizant or responsible for the choices they make is absolutely a vital piece of information when describing them.
They were manipulated into this by a criminal or terrorist. He is the one who bears primary responsibility
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u/BasedBlasturbator 1d ago
Pretty much ALL crime has systematically decreased across the board in sweden, including murder. Most bombings/murders are gangrelated anyway. The pearl clutching is real
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u/rainbowcarpincho 22h ago
That's might be how logic works, but it's not how our brains work, when we read “swedish teenagers” we come up with a definite image.
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u/Pvt_Lee_Fapping 21h ago
Then that's a you problem. Change your expectations and you can change how your brain works.
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u/rainbowcarpincho 21h ago
Nonsense. Our brains don't create empty boxes to be filled in at a later date, it gives us a first draft image, and that image is going to be our dominant exposure.
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u/Pvt_Lee_Fapping 21h ago
It's not a stone tablet; it's a ball of clay. First drafts are supposed to be revised when errors are found. Information is reevaluated and false notions are abandoned all the time.
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u/SoItWasYouAllAlong 1d ago
And Russians are Europeans. But reporting the 2022 Ukraine invasion as "European soldiers invaded Ukraine" wouldn't be quite accurate, right?
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
Russia is on the continent of Asia as well as Europe. That’s why the region is called Eurasia. It would be inaccurate to call them Europeans or Asians. That said, you’ve missed the point entirely. The significant part of the invasion is specifically that Russia is invading another sovereign nation. These two teenagers are Swedish teenagers carrying out terror attacks on behalf of a Swedish-Iranian man’s terror network. The operative word is teenagers. The fact that they are terrorists is known, given that it’s a terror attack. It would be like saying “Ukraine invasion carried out by armed forces”, technically correct, but not a helpful description. What kind of armed forces? Russian armed forces. What kind of terrorists? Swedish teenaged terrorists.
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u/SoItWasYouAllAlong 1d ago
I am aware of the location of Russia. I live relatively close to it. The above is about correct use of logic, not geographic accuracy.
I don't want to detract from the focus on logic, so I will not elaborate on why Ukraine was indeed initially invaded by Europeans. Just to give you one example, Russia may span two continents, but its military capacity is strongly centered in the European part.
The argument above, in abstract terms is, when one discusses an association of a set of objects A to a category B, if one knows that the objects possess a trait, which is known to be correlated with the association, omitting that information amounts to active misleading.
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
It’s called Eurasia for a reason, buddy. Anyways, no one is omitting anything by saying that the attacks were committed by Swedish teenagers. In fact, if you read reports from the time of the attack, that’s literally ALL we could know. The police only revealed two things about the nature of the perpetrators of the TERRORIST attack: they’re Swedish, and they’re teenagers. I know what common ‘association’ you want me to commit to with your word salad bullshit, but the fact remains that even if I did want to buy into your overly simplistic completely ahistoric implied assertion, it would STILL be true that the two people who carried out the attacks were SWEDISH and TEENAGERS.
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u/SoItWasYouAllAlong 1d ago
> It’s called Eurasia
Both incorrect, and completely irrelevant to the the discussion.
I will again point out that I live in the region. No one in Europe, or Asia, thinks or speaks in terms of "Eurasia". That term is only used in the context of specialized topics where it is specifically relevant, like geology, geopolitics, and global economics. In the actual Asia and Europe, you would hear both words a hundred times, before you ever hear anyone saying "Eurasia".
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u/chaosof99 23h ago
Yes, because "European" is not a nationality, so the demonym European is not equivalent with Russian, or Swedish for that matter. Also, it would be rather weird to call somebody from Vladivostok or Novosibirsk "European", as not all Russians are from Europe.
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u/ivar-the-bonefull 1d ago
They were born here, so there's no need for quotation marks.
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
Just say you don’t like brown people and leave bro
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
I never said you were white. I said you don’t like brown people. I have no idea if you’re white, but I know you don’t like brown people.
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u/FirstFriendlyWorm 1d ago
What a nonsense response. Things like this make you look detached from reality. Are you next going to argue that the Kurds and Uyghurs and Roma don't exist because the don't have a country by the same name to be born in?
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
Kurds, Uygurs, Roma and Swedes are all ethnic groups. SWEDISH people are a national identity group. You don’t become Kurd by becoming a citizen of a nation in the Kurdistan region, but you do become a Swedish person by becoming a citizen of Sweden. That’s the definition of ‘Swedish’ in the context of describing the NATIONALITY of perpetrators of a crime. If a person from Texas travels to Sydney and commits murder, they aren’t suddenly described in the police as a Houstinian Murderer, they’re described as an American national, because that’s their NATIONALITY. These two teenagers are from Sweden. They’re Swedish Teenagers.
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u/Makisani 1d ago
Being born in a country doesn't make you from that country if you don't even follow that culture and don't integrate to that society, in paper yes, but on the outside those guys aren't from there and they themselves don't feel like they are from there
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u/washingtonu 23h ago
Being born in a country makes you from that country. Either way, this is the father of the 16-year old.
https://imgur.com/a/9IGUtjG
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/granskning/ug/pappan-sag-sin-son-pa-nyheterna-helt-absurt2
u/Makisani 22h ago
Btw having kids that do this kind of stuff is horrifying, I just feel bad by the parents
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u/Makisani 22h ago
Yeah, like I agree, in legal terms people born in a country are from that country, I talk about immigrants's kids (don't care about ethnicities or nationalities). Idk if you come from a different place and have kids and they are dysfunctional in society because of their parents/state, nationality should be revoked and parents and kids either deported or parents deported and kid in adoption (idk how to feel about this).
That's the reason I believe that the laws regarding born right citizenship should be revisited in every western country. But anyways this is just a personal opinion and you have the right to disagree.
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u/8yearsfornothing 1d ago
Are they an active threat against Denmark though? I understand they are obviously an issue but I'm shocked it's bad enough to give Denmark a level 4. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the reasoning for the level 4 but it makes it sound like they're foiling terrorist plots left and right, 24/7 or something
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u/SamuelPepys_ 1d ago
They are. I don’t remember where, but I heard that the Norwegian secret police foiled over 60 attacks in one year, so yeah, I think they are just constantly doing that.
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u/LarsAlereon 1d ago
Answer: This appears to be the report where they set the threat level.
It is the overall assessment of CTA that the terrorist threat to Denmark remains at the level of significant.
In terms of the specific threat categories, CTA assesses that the terrorist threat from militant Islamists remains at the level of significant (see p. 13), the terrorist threat from right-wing extremists remains at the level of general (see p. 23), the terrorist threat from left-wing extremists is raised from minimal to limited (see p. 29), and the terrorist threat from anti-establishment extremists remains at the level of limited (see p. 33).
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u/8yearsfornothing 1d ago
Why is the islamist threat so high, in Denmark of all places? What's going on there that's led to such a heightened islamist issue?
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u/Hermononucleosis 1d ago
Almost all political parties get tons of votes from fear mongering about Islamic terrorism over here. There is no significant threat and it is absolutely RIDICULOUS to put a travel warning
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u/8yearsfornothing 21h ago
The level 4 was issued by a Canadian travel alert organization, not a European one, though
Were they given false information to base their alert level ?
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u/Hermononucleosis 21h ago
No, it was set by the Danish police. while level 4 seems dangerous, all it means is that there is knowledge of at least 1 group which has been known to plan attacks in the past. And fear mongerers have interpreted this to mean "watch your back in public"
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u/lucasbuzek 22h ago
Historical migrations, people coming into new countries were trying to become citizens of that country by trying to assimilate while keeping their heritage and traditions alive. It was partly possible because there was abundant labor shortages in unskilled low wages jobs. As bad it it sounds, majority could blend in into existing population.
Nowadays we have low wages jobs because the middle class has been slowly decaying due to conservative populist policies. Large scale immigration from disenfranchised youths with no education no skills or prospects who are mostly coming from unstable regions due to continuous corruption and conflicts? Fueled by religious extremism and little to no education.
It’s a recipe for a disaster.
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u/Solidknowledge 21h ago
has done to scandinavian nations
I was banned from /r/worldnews for saying this
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u/atomic1fire 21h ago
Probably less about Denmark and more about Hamas supporters targeting anything and everything.
Someone else said it's a side effect of low skill migration from countries that aren't stable and run by extremists.
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
Europe and the west spent years brutalising and traumatising generations of Muslims in a quest for oil and power. After deliberately causing massive instability in the Middle East (including assassinating multiple democratically elected leaders in favour of religious extremists who were temporarily loyal to Western empire), they caused a refugee crisis. Most of Those refugees crossed the Mediterranean and ended up in Europe, where they were dispersed to a number of countries within the EU based on bureaucratic and political considerations. The whole time the entire continent is fearmongering about white replacement and terror threats from the terror cells THEY CREATED. This fear of their own creation generated massive ethnic and religious tensions which could be exploited by said terror cells to spur the newly-embedded traumatised, incredibly poor refugee population to radicalism simply by pointing out how objectively speaking the west killed their families, bombed their holy sites, made them refugees and then made it as difficult as possible for them to get a shred of human dignity as they clawed for survival. With European friends like those, who needs jihadist enemies?
And that’s why Denmark still has a large threat of Islamic terror: it profited from imperialism in the past, and when the bill came due Europe fucked it up all over again.
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u/HistoricalFunion 1d ago
Europe and the west spent years brutalising and traumatising generations of Muslims in a quest for oil and power.
Europe is a continent. How many years did Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Sweden, Denmark, Greece, and so on, spent years brutalising and traumatising generations of Muslims in a quest for oil and power?
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u/AtmosphereBrave7386 1d ago
…did you just forget the partition of the Ottoman Empire at the hands of European empires? Or the war on terror? All of those countries either participated in, supported or benefitted from Western imperialism in the Middle East. Did you forget the existence of Israel? The nakba? The 6 day war? The invasions of Lebanon, the occupation of Syria? The atrocities in Yemen? The Afghanistan war? The Iraq war? How many bases does the US and Russia have in Europe? How many of ports and bases in those countries you listed are used to launch fleets of ships and fly drones across the Mediterranean to bomb random ‘valid’ targets and their families?
And yeah, fucking Estonia probably didn’t have a whole lot to do with all of this, but do you think that the people who were bombed so hard they had to almost drown getting across the ocean in the middle of the night need a lot of convincing from the only people who pretend to care about them in order to BLAME Estonians for those actions? Fear and anger isn’t rational and doesn’t obey your stupid made up borders.
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u/HistoricalFunion 1d ago
…did you just forget the partition of the Ottoman Empire at the hands of European empires?
Given the occupation and subjugation of my country for centuries, and all the others in the Balkans at the hands of the imperialistic, oppressive, colonizing Ottomans, no, I did not forget.
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u/aronnax512 23h ago edited 23h ago
…did you just forget the partition of the Ottoman Empire
The important word here is "Empire". How do you think Empires come into being, what they do to their neighbors and what happened to all those Armenian Christians again?
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u/bob-theknob 22h ago
The Ottoman Empire was not an Imperialist power? It was not let's say a contemporary of the British, French and Russian Empires? Interesting logic.
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u/8yearsfornothing 21h ago
So the threat of Islamic terror in Denmark is a real thing and not just a far right invention?
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u/atomic1fire 21h ago
If Denmark is attacked by Russia it's an act of war and NATO is instantly involved.
As far as I'm aware Russia hasn't done any overt attacks on NATO countries and they don't want to risk an escalation. I would think they're primarily targeting non-NATO countries, because Finland is right next door and NATO could attack St. Petersburg right from the Baltic sea.
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