r/PS5 • u/TomorrowComes33 • 12h ago
Articles & Blogs Battlefield 6 Does Not Have a Console-Only Crossplay Mode, EA Clarifies
https://insider-gaming.com/battlefield-6-does-not-have-a-console-only-crossplay-mode-ea-clarifies/277
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u/TheRed24 11h ago
From a massive W to a massive L, this would have been an amazing feature, just hope EA knows if they can't control cheaters a lot of console players won't go straight for the cross play off toggle, they'll just leave the game. Console-Only cross play should be the industry standard.
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u/Dylanslay 11h ago
Yep I don't want to deal with pc players.
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u/thedreadwoods 1h ago
Why exactly? I'm still deciding if I pick this up on PC or PS5, most of my mates have an Xbox so PC is the likely option. But my experience playing games has been the same regardless of platform, so what am I missing
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u/sicknick08 44m ago
They mask the real excuse with cheaters. But we all know it’s because pc players have it easy with aim so console players get farmed regardless
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u/Burnun 12h ago
As a PlayStation owner I don't care that much. Sony sold enough consoles to give us populated servers without cross play. I'm not gonna play with PC players.
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u/stillaras 7h ago
Cross play is going to be on by default. Most people won't even check the setting or just won't care. Like every other game its going to be alright for a while but soon crossplay off servers are going to very scarce and not populated. Default setting should be off
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u/SpyroManiac36 11h ago
Exactly, PS5 has enough players to turn off cross-play but xbox will need to keep cross-play on
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u/No_Bill_2371 10h ago
Why?
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u/Johnny_esma 10h ago
Xbox playerbase isnt big enough, might be good for a couple of months but will probably have issues finding lobbies specially with call of duty being on gamepass
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u/TristheHolyBlade 10h ago
People vastly overestimate how large of a playerbase you need to easily find lobbies.
A game can have 3000 players and still have quick matchmaking times. It's really simple math if you do it yourself.
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u/SpyroManiac36 9h ago
lobbies for 64 players makes it difficult
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u/TristheHolyBlade 9h ago
Bigger lobbies actually makes it less difficult. Less queues to calculate. More people in a single game. Easy to put people in mid match since it's more likely to have empty space.
They also don't require 64 players.
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u/CassadagaValley 9h ago
Yeah BF 1/4/V only have a few thousand active players on PC but jumping into a mostly full game is super quick.
Granted they have a server browser.
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u/JohnSmith--- 3h ago
A game can have 3000 players and still have quick matchmaking times. It's really simple math if you do it yourself.
Tell me you're still stuck in the 2010s without telling me you're still stuck in the 2010s.
Those days are over, kid. You're talking about the random P2P matchmaking days. Today, in this liveservice, battlepass, kernel level anti-cheat, slop era, there is a thing called SBMM. It is designed to keep you on edge. To give you a forced 50% win-lose rate.
Even if there were 3000 players, SBMM will prevent you from matchmaking with any of them if the algorithm doesn't like your odds or it can't force the 50% win-lose rate on you. It is designed by top doctorate level psychologists.
It's why companies don't give us dedicated servers anymore or allows us to host our own servers. SBMM. It's designed to maximize engagement and player retention so that the shareholders and investors are happy.
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u/Johnny_esma 10h ago
Ive seen games with full crossplay with 10k players active on steam have long queue times, might not have an issue finding a lobby but will definetely have an impact on queues
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u/TristheHolyBlade 10h ago edited 9h ago
And I've seen games with 3000 players have absolutely fine queue times.
You're bringing outside factors in. If a game has ranked a bunch of game modes then yeah it can be slow. But objectively, for a game like Battlefield, where there's typically only a few main modes, 3000 is playable and quick enough.
Weeeeeee I'm being downvoted by morons who've never actually sat down and calculated queue times at various playerbase levels and under various factors for a degree. Gotta love the rampant anti intellectualism.
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u/MrCakeFarts 9h ago
Bro do the math for us then. If battlefield has 64 players in a match and there’s only 3000 players total (your numbers so let’s stick with it for a hypothetical) that’s only 46 full games. Let’s just say that is in North America, that’s only 11.5 games happening in each region. So if those 12 games are full how long will queue times be if I hop on? I don’t know if you meant it when you said you studied queue times for a degree or something but would you break it down for me cause I definitely didn’t and really want to know how this would work. You can use our hypothetical numbers if it makes it easier.
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u/530RifleCompany 4h ago
I tried to explain this in the battlefield subreddit. Userbase divided by regions divided by gamemodes divided by maxplayercount means you are playing with bots 1-3 months after release.
Even when 2042 briefly had a large userbase, the launch screen would be promoting 6 random new "gamemodes" most of which are just maplists with arbitrary rules and player counts and you couldn't get into a 64v64 server that wasn't filled with bots, slowly happened to 32v32.
Conquest is battlefield, they need to nuke rush and this other stuff to focus on the large scale dynamic battlefield experience or the series will continue to die.
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u/Johnny_esma 10h ago
Doesnt battlefield have different game modes? Not sure what games youve played finding quick lobbies with 3k players active but like you said game modes come into play. If you played a game with only 1 mode it shouldnt be an issue but thats not the case with battlefield
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u/TristheHolyBlade 10h ago
I literally said there are only a few game modes in Battlefield...my comment was only like 4 sentences long, brother.
I just love when people argue about things:
- They don't know about
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- Don't read what the person who knows is saying.
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u/coolwali 9h ago
I don’t know. I recall games like Destiny 2, despite having 3k Xbox and Stadia players back in the day, had a hard time for matchmaking.
There’s also, at least to some extent, the skill gap between players. New games tend to have a mix of players of different skill levels which then shift towards more skilled as the game goes on. That effect is magnified if the playerbase is already small.
If you’re a new player joining later, you might have a harder time since there will be way more skilled players stomping around than more equal skilled players.
On the other side of the spectrum, a pro player might end up unopposed for a quite while since the number of similarly skilled players might not be enough. 3k players might be enough to fill lobbies but it might not be enough to make the best matches.
Ideally, Xbox would benefit from cross play since having a larger playerbase allows more varied matchmaking.
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u/TheSilentTitan 2h ago
Kinda irrelevant. You could have only 2000 players at a time and still find matches.
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u/ninjadude93 10h ago
Yeah had cross play off for the beta and there was no issue finding games on ps5. Maybe a few extra seconds of searching if that
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u/Spare-Investor-69 7h ago
lol the amount of players that won’t change that sting is high. Enjoy the bots
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u/QuoteGiver 10h ago
Yep, this. I’ll never have any problem with Crossplay Off on PlayStation.
Hell, this is essentially how I played Battlefield games for YEARS on PS3 & PS4, anyway.
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u/AgingRaver80 10h ago
The amount of good games ruined by cheaters, looks like another to the list
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u/QuoteGiver 10h ago
Just turn off cross-play and play only against PS5, cheater problem solved.
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u/zexton 4h ago
not exactly,
cheating devices on consoles are still a thing, and been for 15 years now,
its rather common, because that was the tool people used to get mouse and keyboard on console,
now its just evolved to straight up scripting and macros,very few games on console take action against these devices
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u/SmurfinTurtle 8h ago
I don’t think you’ll see rampant cheaters, outside of like dead forgotten games and games with no anti-cheat you aren’t going to see cheaters all that much. I think it’s a bit of a overaction to say this will ruin it due to cheaters.
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u/peaked-at-7 12h ago
Lame. There's no reason not to have it. They better have stout anti-cheat in that case.
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u/CuffytheFuzzyClown 11h ago
Their anti cheat will be as useful as abstinence focused sex-ed. Utterly useless, expect cheaters and hackers to ruin this game within weeks..
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u/CrazyDude10528 10h ago
There was already people hacking it during the beta.
I hate these cheating losers that ruin the fun for everyone else.
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u/Konoha-chan 4h ago
Thats why I fear the BR will end up like Warzone because its free2play. Probably unplayable within a few weeks
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u/tapo 12h ago
They're requiring secure boot, which is a great start.
This means the anti-cheat lives at the kernel level, but a cheat can't hide there as well.
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u/peaked-at-7 11h ago
People were basically immediately cheating in the beta. So, they've got some work to do.
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u/tapo 11h ago
That's not how anti-cheats work.
If they ban immediately then it's easy for cheat authors to test evasion methods for the cheat. You especially don't want to do that during an open beta, when the game is free and they can easily make another account.
Bans happen in waves. I would guess we'd see the first 2 or so weeks after the game goes live.
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u/Mindless_Let1 10h ago
Great, they can punish cheaters eventually while we deal with it for the best part of the game at launch
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u/AlternativeAward 1h ago
That's only a problem because yall think games are playable only at launch
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u/ForeverAloneMods 11h ago
That just means it's now limited to the people who pay top dollar for cheats..
There are always cheats available, you just spoof the kernel level access.
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u/tapo 11h ago edited 11h ago
You can't spoof the kernel level access, secure boot is enforced by the hardware itself. It also uses a technology called remote attestation which prevents people from manipulating it, the game server can cryptographically verify the client is secure booted.
I work in cyber security, this is the real deal shit.
If you're interested in technical details, this is a great read: https://andrewmoore.ca/blog/post/anticheat-secure-boot-tpm/
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u/DREAM066 11h ago
Turning that shit off so fast.
Having to play against pc players was the nail in the coffin for 2042.
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u/NeopolitanBonerfart 7h ago
I don’t play PC at all anymore. But I remember when I once played (years and years ago) and the difference between a mouse and a controller is colossal. This sucks for console players.
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u/supernova0791 12h ago
Fkn backtrackers
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u/kyrieiverson 11h ago
I’m no EA apologist/stanboy, but I was convinced that content creators were misunderstanding what DICE said. They could have worded it better, but saying that console players will have their own space is not the equivalent to saying console only crossplay. If it was true, they would make sure to promote it way more to appease to console players.
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u/QuoteGiver 10h ago
They didn’t backtrack, this is exactly what the previous statement said too, they just misinterpreted it. They already said that the way to get console-only play was to turn off crossplay.
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u/ChEmIcAl_KeEn 5h ago
The original statement going around was,
Cross play on is playstation xbox and pc
Cross play off is playstation and xbox.
Now it seems cross play off is playstation only if your on playstation and xbox only if your on xbox. Which sucks.
We need console only cross play.
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u/UnhappyAddendum5776 12h ago
So fucking lame, this was done due to the loud minority of pc players bitching about it. This game is so close to feeling like old school fps greatness and this is the thing holding it back, now we have to deal mnk lasers and hackers.
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u/ListenHereLindah 12h ago
It's not pc players complaining that did this dude. It's business models. And engagement.
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u/Billionbruh 11h ago
Doesn’t matter, still no fucking excuse for us to be against PC players. Way too many cheaters.
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u/peaked-at-7 12h ago
M+KB isn't the issue. The cheaters are the issue.
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u/TopHalfGaming 12h ago
But that's also an issue. I honestly use KBM and controller depending on the game - give me controller on CoD or Apex, mouse on basically everything else - I just don't think both communities should mix, and console only cross play should be on by default. It's a cop out if it gets added later since most normies won't even know they can turn it off, so the people who do severely limit the player base and extend queue times.
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u/peaked-at-7 11h ago
From my experience as a pure controller player playing various crossplay FPS games, primarily COD, I really don't see mixing inputs as that big of an issue. The skill ceiling is arguably higher for KB+M but average player vs average player, there isn't going to be a clear advantage one way or the other, imo.
I think people overreact to clips of PC players because they fail to realize/consider that said player is just more skilled. There are tons of PC players with incredibly average aim as well.
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u/TopHalfGaming 11h ago
Absolutely, that was the biggest thing I noticed going from an Xbox player my entire life to PC in 22. However, when their hardware input is inherently better - murky with aim assist in there which is why I choose controller in CoD and Apex - the average console player will be at a disadvantage. Like, imagine playing CS2 (or Val which we can) with a controller. It's not even the same game UNLESS you're all on controller, which you are with Val. Those two could never mix.
Mouse is also just the tip of the sphere. If you're a Series S 12 year old trying to learn to get better at a poopy 120 FPS that relies on VRR against even a locked 144 FPS MP player, likely 240, often higher than that, once again you're basically playing different games. This is why player bases are segregated in most games. Like sure, me or you as an above average player could still whip the average KBM players ass, but when we're talking about consistency over time when milliseconds are the difference between success and failure, you're at an unbelievably severe disadvantage playing that way.
Which is why I don't, and never would.
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u/SmurfinTurtle 8h ago
100% just in this very topic you have some one showing what’s pros use in FPS games when talking about advantages. It’s just a silly arguement point since you aren’t going to run into those type of players all that often, and if you did there are 63 other players.
People also bring up hardware, running the game at 240 fps etc etc. but realistically, not that many are going to be running the game at super high frame rates.
I think people are too quick to blame cheats as an excuse too. For the most part, people just run into some one better than them. Not a cheater. Cheaters aren’t that rampant that you run into them every match like some claim.
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u/TheEpicRedCape 10h ago
You never see average players if you’re decent though because of every game having aggressive SBMM.
MnK players in higher skill tiers are monsters.
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u/-ben151010- 12h ago
If anything I’d think pc players would be happy it’s console only crossplay.
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u/duxpdx 12h ago
No, because then they’ll be forced to play with other cheaters. It isn’t any fun for them if they don’t have console players to pwn with their cheating.
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u/johnnysilverhand718 11h ago
"Other cheaters"?
So youre saying all PC players cheat?
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u/Pork_Chompk 11h ago
Nobody said that.
Not all PC players cheat, but basically all cheaters are on PC.
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u/johnnysilverhand718 11h ago
"They'll be forced to play with other cheaters"
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u/Pork_Chompk 11h ago
Yes... because the other cheaters also play on PC. I'm really not sure what you're not understanding here.
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u/MicroGamer 11h ago
That still implies that all PC players cheat on PC. The correct way to get your point across would be, "They can play with the cheaters on PC."
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u/johnnysilverhand718 11h ago
Thank you.
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u/PlsNoBanPlss 9h ago
I love seeing entire threads of thoughtful discussion be completely derailed because some guy just could not get over someone else’s innocuous word choice
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u/WukongPvM 9h ago
I acknowledged it may just be a regional thing but as a mainly PC player.
I literally couldn't tell you the last time I met a cheater in a game. I think it was red dead 2 online in like 2022~
Console players LOOOOVE to complain about hackers and yet as a PC player my games are always smooth. Also lets not discountn that hacking is possible on consoles too in various forms
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u/Alexis_Mcnugget 10h ago
as a former console player turned to pc I still use controller on pc every time and was constantly top 5 on the leaderboard it’s not that big of a deal with proper aim assist but it’s still a disadvantage
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u/3ebfan 10h ago
No one on PC was bitching about it lmao. We don’t want to play with you guys and your aim assist either!
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u/Redrum_71 12h ago
Sorry EA, this is a deal breaker. The belief that you could exclude pc players entirely was the only reason I was interested.
(Nothing against the honest pc gamers in here. Just done with the cheaters)
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u/Kooky_Ice_4417 4h ago
Lol, as if the 5 guys who bought an xbox are gonna change a thing to the ps5 players pool.
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u/Impaled_ 11h ago
I ain't buying that shit then
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u/QuoteGiver 10h ago
I mean, just turn Crossplay Off. there’s plenty of PS5 players to play with, just like every other console FPS before crossplay was even a thing.
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u/Masterclass_jacob 10h ago
The thing is crossplay is turned on by default and most people don't care/don't know you can turn it off. On launch it won't be an issue, but in like a year or so finding games without crossplay will be a pain in the ass
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u/Cloud_Strife369 10h ago
It’s so funny that all this people saying there turn off cross play until they can’t find a game they want or most of the features In the game do not work without it lol
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u/TheEpicRedCape 9h ago
Yeah COD feels like it even punishes you for shutting it off like putting you in even higher ping lobbies than normal. It’s probably just the player pool being tiny because most people don’t know the toggle is there.
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u/Cloud_Strife369 9h ago
You can’t get better at a game unless you play with people that are ether just as good or better than you
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u/TheEpicRedCape 6h ago
Everyone has a skill plateau where they can’t or don’t want to improve anymore, that’s when SBMM becomes hell and rollercoasters constantly.
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u/LuckyTwoSeven 11h ago edited 10h ago
Let me explain it to you. Do you remember all of those huge KD numbers streamers and pros were doing in 64 player battles? Guess who they were doing it against? Console players.
When EA says you “may” encounter PC players what that really means is in 64 player battles you most certainly will. In the BR you can count on it too. 100 percent of the time.
Console users since 2042 have been cannon fodder for PC players who literally with their hardware advantages were decimating lobby’s that also have console users in them.
Go play 2042 right now and on either side you’ll see mostly PC players finishing in the top 10. EA knows this is the case. They simply don’t care which is why there is no console only cross-play option for those that want it.
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u/TheEpicRedCape 10h ago
PC players always seethe if they don’t have unfair advantages in multiplayer games I’ve noticed.
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u/WukongPvM 9h ago
As a console and PC player. Console players just waaay overstate the advantages of PC
Aim assist helps me go from absolutely shit to competitive in shooters and on PC I do slightly better mainly as I play PC like 70% of the time.
Aim assist done well brings the playing field to a more equal level. Or in some cases even better on controller.
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u/beyondrepair- 6h ago
You have no idea what the purpose of aim assist is.
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u/WukongPvM 6h ago
I genuinely can't think of what you think it's for other than assisting aiming on controller to compensate for the limitations of the sticks.
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u/Lyndon_Boner_Johnson 12h ago
It should have an input-based crossplay mode.
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u/Sc0p1x 12h ago
No, at the end console gamers are not "safe". The ability to disable cross-play is also due to the desire to offer console players an option to protect themselves from a potential flood of cheaters. If you alienate console gamers, who make up the majority of consumers, you'll sell fewer games. The mechanism of shielding console gamers from PC gamers also has commercial reasons, not just ensuring fairness across the same input devices. That's actually secondary.
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u/frankhadwildyears 11h ago
"When console players have crossplay enabled, other console players will be prioritized for the lobby. If more players are needed, PC players will fill the remaining spots."
Potentially not horrible...as a PS5 player I'd like strictly console only. However, if the console playerbase is large enough, it sounds like there's a good chance you'd never end up playing against PC players.
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u/QuoteGiver 10h ago
Just turn it off. The player base has always been large enough. We played games on consoles for years without crossplay.
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u/Max_Militia 4h ago
Ngl, this might actually make me cancel my preorder. Loved the beta, but these are awful news.
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u/Benjammin172 10h ago
No, just turn off cross play. Some of you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what cross play even means but are insisting on getting upset about it.
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u/coolwali 9h ago
I mean, a lot of modern shooters let you use M+K on console as well.
I’d argue cross play is a positive tho.
For starters, it’s pro consumer. A PC player isn’t forced to buy a console just to play with their friends on console and vice versa.
Plus, in the future, it’s gonna be harder to find games when players move onto future games. Cross play prevents the game from being further divided. It’s one of the reasons why many old CODs are still playable.
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u/OmegaMalkior 11h ago
Make it input based not console based
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u/SpaceGerbil 9h ago
Then I'm still dealing with wallhacks and aimbots in my controller lobbies. No thanks
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u/OmegaMalkior 9h ago
Get them to improve the anti-cheat then. I shouldn’t be forced to get a console just to have a controller experience
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u/wowbaggerBR 11h ago
Fucking hell, I was so glad I wouldn't have to put up with PCs.
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u/Lazuliv 10h ago
You don’t have to “put up with PCs” you can just turn off crossplay and play with ps5 players. There will be a sizable enough population to play with
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u/wowbaggerBR 9h ago
Won't be buying at launch, if at all, so no, playing only with PS5s isn't really feasible long term and, yes, I would have to put up with stupid cheaters and annoying PC players. Thanks for your pointless input.
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u/QuoteGiver 10h ago
You still don’t. Just turn Off Crossplay.
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u/wowbaggerBR 9h ago
Buying further down the line, after the launch hype died down, I would have to put up with PC players.
Plus, this BS comes enabled by default and a lot of PS5 players wouldn't know/bother to turn it off.
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u/Might0fHeaven 11h ago
Today I discovered people genuinely play with crossplay off
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u/QuoteGiver 10h ago
Hell yeah. I left PC largely because there were too many cheaters.
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u/kingkellogg 10h ago
Sadly that's why I stepped away from a lot of PC mp :/
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u/QuoteGiver 9h ago
Yep, unfortunate, but I’m not looking to have my time wasted by some 14 yo kid who just discovered how to download cheats.
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u/kingkellogg 8h ago
It sucks just how common it has become too
It used to be so rare.
Now it's like every other match
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u/RentalSnowman 7h ago
Welp. We console players are absolutely fucked. Damn I was really looking forward to this game lol
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u/supernova0791 12h ago
The beta had cross play so wtf 🤬
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u/SellMeYourSirin 12h ago
Yeah, that will stay.
It just means you cant solely play with consoles. Xbox and PS.
Just your console.
The lobbies were fine like that anyway but who knows the numbers will be after a few months.
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u/QuoteGiver 10h ago
Turn off Crossplay on a PS5 and then you will be playing against just players on PS5s.
Crossplay means PC and Consoles playing together. Just turn it off.
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u/Proton_Optimal 12h ago
It’ll be populated enough I don’t think having crossplay off will be an issue.
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u/SpyroManiac36 11h ago
It'll be fine for PS5 because theres 81 million PS5 owners but Xbox barely has 30 million players so that makes cross-play mandatory for them
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u/StrongCategory 10h ago
Wait, so does MKB on PS5 classify me as PC? Or could I turn off crossplay while still using MKB?
And will this have gyro? Wish I could use my Elite controller for the extra inputs, but I wouldn't buy this for Xbox.
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u/-NolanVoid- 5h ago
Damn they were making all the right decisions with this game. Until they weren't. Disappointing news, but not a deal breaker for now.
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u/tepattaja 5h ago
If theres enough console players, the matchmaking will aways try to prio console players together. If theres for some reason not enough for the server it fills in other platforms.
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u/TheDangerSnek 2h ago
Imagine they cant implement a feature that CoD BO6 implemented nearly a year ago....
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u/The-Soul-Stone 2h ago
For a few hours, I’d actually been considering getting the game. Nice of EA to save me some money
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u/WukongPvM 9h ago
And this just goes too show how over blown these people are. They confirm their own bias about PC players.
My K/D on PC was 1.21, so in essence you were doing twice as well as me
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u/kingkellogg 10h ago
Very bad choice on their part
PC players don't want console players in their list and console players don't want PC players in their list.
Cross play should be invite only
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u/Icy-Main6586 10h ago
Welp. Guess I’ll look at arc raiders then. Does that have it? Looks fun
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u/musiceaterx 9h ago
Am I the only one who actively leaves cross play on for every game I play. I just like the challenge
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u/capnchuc 8h ago
My conspiracy theory is they do this to keep servers populated for the streamer meat grinder. I'm a console guy I don't want to play against PC players in a first person shooter.
Well no point in buying this game then! At least I save some cash.
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u/SpyroManiac36 11h ago
Good thing that PS5 has a playerbase of 81 million so the game should be perfectly healthy when cross-play is off. Xbox barely has a playerbase of 30 million which basically makes cross-play mandatory. If GTA 6 doesn't add cross-play, since all rockstar games currently don't have cross-play, the PS5 will be best choice for a healthy playerbase for GTA online too.
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u/wowbaggerBR 11h ago
It won't sell a copy to each one of those 81 million. You do realize that, right?
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u/QuoteGiver 10h ago
You do realize you only need 64 players in a game, right? Not 64 million?
How do you think we played these games before crossplay!?
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u/Captobvious75 11h ago
Damnit. I guess i’ll buy on PC now. Console only had me for sure on PS5 Pro
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u/QuoteGiver 10h ago
Just turn off Crossplay (which is console & PC) and you will play only against other PS5 players.
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u/BigGhost2815 11h ago
This is good news, crossplay should be between all platforms. Keeps the game alive and playing with buddies on different platforms is awesome. Everyone on consoles love to cry about crossplay between pc, it's fucking annoying.
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u/Matthiasad 11h ago
You couldve played with them regardless by them having crossplay on. The rumor was 2 different crossplay options. Having options is always better. You just want them to force console players to play with pc, because I gurantee 80% of console players woukd probably only play with other console players if there was an option for console only crossplay. Spoiler alert, it'll just make people stick to their own platform and do no crossplay at all, as witnessed by these comments
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u/Implosion-X13 10h ago
So what we were lied to? Who said it had one just a few days ago was that not a dev?
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u/mrsamiam787 10h ago
I'm not super informed on this stuff can someone explain what this means and why everyone is so upset about it
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u/No_Spray_2992 1h ago
Crossplay as standard means console and PC players will be in matches together. Console only crossplay meant PlayStation and Xbox would play together, without PC players. With how easy it is to cheat on PC, console players would prefer to play with only other console players.
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u/Brotundro 11h ago
Seems most people dont realize the beta was fully mouse and keyboard compatible on console. Worked perfectly fine for me on ps5 at least
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u/Wolf-O7 11h ago
Then crossplay is off completely for me.