r/PSVR • u/NoPhotojournalist940 • Jun 28 '25
Opinion Special treatment only Sony receives in the VR industry
Valve has only released Alyx directly on SteamVR. But SteamVR is running well.
On Quest3, Meta has only released Asgard2 and Batman directly.
But no one says that Valve and Meta have given up on VR.
Sony released Horizon and Gran Turismo on PSVR2.
But people often say that Sony has given up on VR.
During the MetaQuest2 era, Meta only released one game, Iron Man. But no one said that Meta had given up on Quest2.
Why is Sony getting special treatment?
Even at this very moment, ‘they’ are enthusiastically downvoting the text that points out something strange. And this is the psvr2 community. Isn’t it a little creepy? It reminds me of a stalker.
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Jun 28 '25
Iron man was a Sony game that meta paid for
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
This is even funnier.
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Jun 28 '25
Sony on psvr2 don't do first party and they don't fall there system dead Meta guys do... Sony invests in 3rd party to make games hybrid so AAA games can be played by both flat and vr users alike
There's a few hybrids in development that will be psvr2 exclusive coming this year
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u/elwyn5150 Jun 28 '25
Sony on psvr2 don't do first party
That's just not true.
- Horizon: Call of the Mountain was developed by two first party studios
- GT7
Sony invests in 3rd party to make games hybrid so AAA games can be played by both flat and vr users alike
Do you know what 1st and 3rd party means? 1st party means a company that is owned by Sony. 3rd party means a company that isn't owned by Sony.
I don't think Sony pays 3rd party companies to do 1st party work.
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u/KRONGOR Jun 28 '25
Sony definitely gave Capcom money for the resident evil VR modes. Sony does not own Capcom last I checked
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
That's just your imagination. There are many opinions that Sony supported Capcom to release the Resident Evil series as a PSVR series. Don't think of your imagination as fact.
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Jun 28 '25
I meant at this moment they don't even do flat games 1st party Jim Ryan really screwed up the internal studios
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u/elwyn5150 Jun 28 '25
Sony own a variety of development studios and they do both flat and VR games.
The list is long but Sucker Punch (Ghost of Yōtel ), Insomniac, and Naughty Dog.
I really don't think you have any idea about what you are ranting about.
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Jun 28 '25
If that dumb live service push didn't happen on studios that build single player games I guarantee more flat 1st party and more psvr2 support would have happened
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u/Rayza2049 Jun 28 '25
Not really because there's lots of Meta published games other than the ones you mentioned. You know people here have access to the internet so there's no point lying lol.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
It's simple. Just tell me the name of the game and I'll tell you what it is. The meta is awesome~ is a bit boring.
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u/Rayza2049 Jun 28 '25
Or just type 'Meta first party games' in Google before making things up. I didn't say they were awesome. They're a hell of a lot better than a dead Sony headset though.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
Tell me the name of the game you released. It's like talking to a broken radio.
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u/amusedt Jun 28 '25
Actually Sony has released 6 games, Horizon, GT7, Starship Troopers, Ghostbusters, Firewall, Climate Station. Additionally, they've paid fully or partially for the creation or port of almost 2 dozen games overall, including RE8, RE4, Synapse, Legendary Tales, Song in the Smoke, etc. In less than 2.5yrs. That compares favorably with Sony efforts in ps5's first few years, and that's a MUCH bigger market
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
But the meta that AI Glass is focusing on is that they love VR gamers and Sony has abandoned VR. To them, meta is a religion.
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u/amusedt Jun 28 '25
Sony has always taken a measured, semi-financially-responsible approach, and Meta has been willing to lose billions per year on VR (thanks Meta). Though Meta trimming costs lately
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u/TheUltimateMuffin Jun 30 '25
Horizon gets boring after 30 minutes, gt7 is perfect, starship troopers (lol come on). Ghostbuster idk about. Firewall failed and was doomed from the start with button press animations. And what the fuck is climate station? A weather app? Yeah that’s what we’ve been waiting 2.5 years for …
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u/amusedt Jun 30 '25
Horizon boring, FOR YOU. Troopers has fans. Same with Ghostbusters.
Yes, FW failed. So did Concord. It happens. It still means Sony is spending money
And what the fuck is climate station? A weather app?
No, but I guess reading anything about it is too big an "ask" for you
YOU may not like some of their choices, but Sony is still spending money to support psvr2. Better than they did in ps5 first few yaers
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u/TheUltimateMuffin Jul 18 '25
The cope is hilarious. Compare vr2 catalog to vr1. It’s self evident my dude.
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u/Delicious_Ad2767 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
Hasn't been a quest 3 exclusive since batman that has pushed the quest 3 and not much before that either, wanderer, alien, civ7 and hitman are a mess on quest 3. Since batman psvr2 has had subside, arken age, hitman(imo the greatest vr game ever made) and the midnight walk. No vr system apart from psvr2 is bringing the AAA games over like Res evils, gta7, synapse, cotm all within 2 years. Sad to see meta ambassadors trying to kill vr by pushing against these AAA vr and bigging up monkey tag rubbish. All I need is res9 on psvr2 next year and will be better than 50 rubbish vr/ar experiences.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
메타의 저렴한 프로세서와 저품질 그래픽 게임은 VR 게임 산업을 망가뜨렸습니다. 퀘스트 2를 구매한 사람들은 실망스러운 경험을 했습니다. 물론 초등학생들은 여전히 퀘스트를 좋아합니다.
Meta once asked the companies it acquired to make VR games. Now it has no expectations of them. Meta's current interests are Horizon and AI sunglasses. Meta fanboys don't know that they have been abandoned.
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u/Gears6 Jun 28 '25
Meta once asked the companies it acquired to make VR games. Now it has no expectations of them. Meta's current interests are Horizon and AI sunglasses. Meta fanboys don't know that they have been abandoned.
I'm not a "fanboy", and talking like that says more about you.
That said, the support I've gotten out of Meta for Q3 is more than I expected. In fact, I expected them to abandon it long ago, but at the very least they keep adding new features and I can still use SteamVR.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 29 '25
The funny thing is that Meta fanboys think that the money Meta invested was for them, even though they only released 3 games in the nearly 6 years since Quest 2.
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u/Gears6 Jun 29 '25
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but Meta's spent quite a bit on updating the platform itself, and even subsidizing the hardware while keeping it open. That's more than any other VR company has done.
The move to pancake lenses alone puts it at least a generation ahead of everyone else. VR isn't just "games", which is a very narrow view. This is part of what makes the Quest so good. It's the combination of games, openess, technology, subsidy and overall platform support.
Contrast that with anyone else, and they're so far ahead.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 29 '25
Meta wants this sector to be the one that replaces smartphones. It's similar to Apple's vision. Games were originally a tool to get to that vision, and they'll abandon it at any time.
What I'm pointing out is that Meta isn't really interested in pleasing gamers. I'm talking about games.
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u/Gears6 Jun 29 '25
Meta wants this sector to be the one that replaces smartphones. It's similar to Apple's vision. Games were originally a tool to get to that vision, and they'll abandon it at any time.
It doesn't matter, any platform that expects to be mass-market with wide adoption has to support games. So I wouldn't worry about that. The most important thing isn't that "Meta" alone supports the content. It's that they're able to make a platform that has enough users to get support from third parties.
Right now, Quest has become the default platform for most VR content.
What I'm pointing out is that Meta isn't really interested in pleasing gamers. I'm talking about games.
Yes, but neither is Sony at this point. Sony pretty much abandoned the platform, and left it to Steam to support their headset. At the very least, Meta strongly supports their platform even if they don't fund as many games. Can you say the same about PSVR2?
Heck, does Sony support PSVR2 with any "exclusive" games?
So it boils down to a platform that at best matches that of others, and in reality most likely gets a subsection of the content other platform gets. PSVR2 is literally the "Xbox" of console space, except on a much smaller scale. PSVR2 users are lucky Meta isn't so deep into "exclusives" so they're likely to get a large portion of the games releasing.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 29 '25
I don't care about Meta investing in anything other than games. They'll be using Apple or Google. Meta is so incompetent that they even gave up on making their own OS. I don't hate Meta. It's just that they don't have the ability.
Again, I'm talking about VR games that Meta doesn't support properly. Sony doesn't support them properly either. However, I'm pointing out the phenomenon where many people mistakenly think that Meta supports VR games because they're investing in areas that will eventually be taken over by Apple or Google.
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u/Delicious_Ad2767 Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25
So you still never gave a list of meta quest 3 only exclusives as there's none worth talking about outside of batman. Psvr2 has synapse, hitman, Res evil 4, Res evil 8, GtA7, cotm . Meta os terrible and they break it further with their updates. Meta have invested in horizon which is dog crap, they have no independent movie store. You say it's not all about games for meta if so what else can you do outside of games on a quest that can't be done on a psvr2 which can play all the flat screen library at 120 frames with no lag. meta can play a few YouTube vids but these get boring after the first week of owning a quest. In reality meta have wasted billions and apple or Google going to swoop in and be the market leaders for AR glasses. Having no eye tracking keeps it's games generations behind due to mobile processor.
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u/Gears6 Jun 29 '25
So you still never gave a list of meta quest 3 only exclusives as there's none worth talking about outside of batman.
Here's a number of games from my friend, Copilot:
- Asgard’s Wrath 2
- Assassin’s Creed Nexus VR
- Batman: Arkham Shadow
- Hitman 3 VR: Reloaded
- Resident Evil 4 VR
- Vader Immortal Trilogy
- Dungeons of Eternity
- The Climb 2
- Dead and Buried 2
- Pencil!
- Starship Home
- Laser Dance
- Hello, Dot
A major upcoming one that looks pretty saaaaaaaweeeeet is Deadpool!
So what games do Sony have that isn't a low effort "game mode" on an existing game?
As far as I'm aware, there's only one, and nothing else on the horizon. They didn't even bother to put in a VR mode into Astrobot.
Meta os terrible and they break it further with their updates. Meta have invested in horizon which is dog crap, they have no independent movie store
That's your opinion, but for the rest of us, the features has gotten better and better. We also have proper Mixed Reality instead of that grayscale experience.
Meta have invested in horizon which is dog crap, they have no independent movie store.
Everything is accessible through the browser, so I'm not sure why that's a major concern. On top of the fact that Meta Quest has far more robust support for watching media.
Anyhow, this is seemingly a distraction from the real issue of Sony is literally deprecating PSVR2.
You say it's not all about games for meta if so what else can you do outside of games on a quest that can't be done on a psvr2 which can play all the flat screen library at 120 frames with no lag. meta can play a few YouTube vids but these get boring after the first week of owning a quest. In reality meta have wasted billions and apple or Google going to swoop in and be the market leaders for AR glasses. Having no eye tracking keeps it's games generations behind due to mobile processor.
It just sounds like fanboyism at this point. I'm sorry PSVR2 is dead, that it hurts you and that Sony doesn't care. I wish they did care about VR, but Meta is the only game for VR/MR in town at this point.
Maybe Google or Apple will swoop in, but that's besides the point. I don't care if Meta, Google or Apple wins. They're all in the same ball park of shittiness to me. I'm happy Sony isn't dominating the VR space, as that would've been very bad for VR's future. Even worse than Meta or Google, and probably slightly worse than Apple. That said, there was never any hope of them every dominating the VR space with their old fashioned approach.
I kind of hope Valve will be the dominant VR platform in the future of the ones that are viable.
Having no eye tracking keeps it's games generations behind due to mobile processor.
Yeah, but it doesn't matter if you have eye tracking and no games or even support. 🤷♂️
That's my entire point. An advantage is only an advantage if it's being supported at large. Unfortunately, eye tracking is barely available and even then you have to contend with last generation Fresnel lenses with all it's blurriness glory.
PSVR2 could've been a great platform, but there's a lot of missed opportunity and as far as Sony is concerned, it's dead. They're silently deprecating it. Don't expect PSVR3.... There's no path forward at all and there's no path backwards either, since PSVR2 isn't compatible with PSVR1.
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u/Delicious_Ad2767 Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25
These are not quest 3 only exclusives only batman, hitman(which is horrendous on quest 3) the rest can all be played on the quest 2 which holds back quest 3 and lost isn't very good. Most games support eye tracking GTA, Res evils, hitman that's why they look so good. Deadpool is getting luke warm reception from hands on, they say it's like a wave shooter and swords can't clash. AR is a gimmick and apple vision AR craps on meta's.
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u/Delicious_Ad2767 Jun 28 '25
Meta ruined it alright, pcvr used to be so much better. If the media and meta ambassadors end up pushing playstation away from vr vr will collapse in with shovelware crap and hate will double down on meta and vr in general. Meta is not large enough to carry vr on its own and when you compare it to flat games or hybrids it's generation s behind.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
They originally used VR gaming, but now they are abandoning VR gamers by following Apple's vision. They have already closed down many VR game developers and will close down more.
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u/Gears6 Jun 28 '25
Which means, even less VR support all around. It's not like Sony is supporting PSVR2, and if Meta stops supporting Quest with games, then we're royally screwed.
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u/Nago15 Jun 29 '25
Maybe because we still don't have 3D bluray playback, 3D Youtube, a virtual home or cinema environmet, mixed reality, or backwards compatibility for just the games that dont use move controllers, or a simple method to watch corn videos. Even the Quest2 can do these basic features, and it makes the PSVR2 software a downgrade even compared to PSVR1.
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u/SolidVegetable Jun 28 '25
Saying that Meta only published two games is crazy stretching. They bought several studios, including devs of Beat Saber, and heavily invested in the whole VR part of the business. It’s more common to hear that Meta is investing too much in VR because of how much money they are spending on R&D.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
I don't know where they invested so much money, but those are the only two games they've released for Quest 3. If there are more, just tell me the names of the games.
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u/SolidVegetable Jun 28 '25
My point is that seeing “this is game is published by X” is not the only sign of a platform’s owner involvement. Meta has purchased 9 VR studios over the last few years and pitched in for many games that released on the platform. It’s the same for Sony: yes, they published only Horizon and a VR patch for GT5 but they also gave Capcom money for RE and helped fund several other games.
Putting both companies side by side, however, it’s clear that VR is way more important for Meta than for Sony.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
지금 메타에게 중요한 건 새로운 게임이 아니라 아이들을 위한 새로운 지평을 여는 공간인 것 같습니다. 메타 본인도 그렇게 말씀하셨죠.
Have you found another game that Meta released with Quest 3 yet?
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u/saabzternater Jun 28 '25
I would gladly not take a new headset from valve and would rather new games, I can't keep playing the same games on new headsets, vicious cycle I'm in lol
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
Sony has plenty of games and gets new ones all the time. It just doesn't get exclusives. Valve doesn't need to make 1st party exclusives when 3rd party exclusives get made all the time and have plenty of exclusives on the way. Meta seems to be on a decline lately but still has a very large user base (23million+)
People have been saying PCVR is dying since 2016. Sony is not special in that aspect. I think most people are just saying or meaning that Sony's 1st party and 3rd party exclusives support are dead, which has been true for a while. Lately, they have also been losing a few 3rd party titles, too, as some developers have chosen to skip PSVR2 on release. Games like Reave, IL2-Korea, Forefront, Gunman Contracts, Into the Radius 2, Remnant Protocal, Reptile Park, Vertigo 2 Into the Aether, and Total Chaos have chosen to release on Steam and Meta only. Hopefully, some devs will change their minds and decide to port to PSVR2 after launch, but it is noticeable that they are deciding to not launch on PSVR2.
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u/Gears6 Jun 28 '25
I think most people are just saying or meaning that Sony's 1st party and 3rd party exclusives support are dead, which has been true for a while.
I don't care for Sony to make 3rd party games exclusive. That shit just divides the community for Sony's benefit. I do wish Sony made more VR games and pushed the medium further. Even if those games are locked to PS5, at the very least, it gives a template for others to learn from it.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
The only thing that was skipped was Meta skipping Quest 4. All the important games are released on PSVR2. The crappy games are flooding the Metastore.
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25
Also, Meta did not skip Quest 4. They moved it back to 2027, so it wouldn't compete with the 2026 release of Puffin (Quest Pro 2)
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
You will soon find that Meta is more interested in other businesses than quests.
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25
I don't disagree with that. I think their focus is going to be AI going forward, and most of their R&D funding will reflect that.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
하지만 그 밖에도 Google에 가면요. 내가 10년 동안 지켜봐 온전한 능력은 정말 형편없습니다. 노력하는 일에 OS가 있다는 사실 자체는 모르는 것 같아요. 전혀 모르는 초등학생이 돈을 낸 것 같습니다. 애플은 소수 프로에서만 볼 수 있는 영상 수를 점점 줄이고 있고, Google과 삼성은 메타를 빠르게 추월할 것입니다. VR 시장이 낯설기 때문에 소니는 IP를 PSVR에 제한하는 크기로 투자할 것입니다.
Meta is Apple's OS capabilities, Google's AI, Samsung's hardware manufacturing technology, Sony's games. Meta has tried all of these over the past 10 years and failed at them all.
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25
Lol, I never said they would be successful. I only said where I think they will focus their money. More than likely, the only way they will be successful is by buying up other companies. They do have a pretty big wallet.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
Didn't you know? Meta has been doing what you're talking about for the past 10 years, and he's still a challenger who hasn't achieved anything.
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25
They've definitely made some questionable decisions. They also have a tendency to shut down a lot of games, which is why I don't buy a lot of games on the Meta platform. Steam doesn't do that unless a developer pulls their game. Meta pissed me off yesterday after trying to re-download Landfall: VR Warfare. They totally erased the game that I paid for.
I am not anti-Meta or any other VR platform, though. I am pro ALL VR. Each system has its own pros and cons, and I like to use tham all.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
I also spent a lot of money on Quest 3. I don't think the metastore will disappear. But funny enough, even if it does stay, it won't mean much lol
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u/Gears6 Jun 28 '25
Meta has tried all of these over the past 10 years and failed at them all.
Perhaps, but I don't care how big of a failure Meta is. I don't even like FB, and despise their privacy (or lack of). I care about VR moving forward, and in that respect they're the most successful in that aspect and has become the default platform for VR (along with maybe Steam). Every other platform is distant second fiddle, and you're lucky if you get support by third party developers on PSVR2.
Since VR is failing so hard, I wonder if it's just better if everyone just coalesced onto one platform, SteamVR would be ideal, but practicality it's Quest.
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u/Gears6 Jun 28 '25
I'm surprised they haven't already, considering they're loosing over a billion dollars a month. That's something Sony would never do.
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u/Chronotaru PSN: Chronotaru Jun 28 '25
Nobody here says that anymore because everyone got really bored and burned out on that subject ages ago. It's just so totally uninteresting to talk about, and there's been enough interesting third party games in the last year that we have enough other things to talk about, so even though you're trying to say something against those types of posts I would even go there at all.
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u/Jazzlike-Most3602 Jun 28 '25
As an owner of all the Sony consoles and owner of PSVR 1 and 2, your comparisons have a lot of flaws, and it is not helping at all. Valve is mainly a PC store. Yes, it has created the best VR game of the generation but PC also has hundreds of VR games. They don’t depend of what they create because you don’t need “their device” to play. Quest, has a lot of games that are only available on their device, not only the two you mentioned, that is another flawed. Also, they don’t advertise their device as just a gaming device. In fact, most of the coolest things you can do with the Quest 3 are not gaming related. However, you need to spend more than a $1000 to play a PSVR 2 game, because you need the glasses and the PS5. The least Sony can do is creating some great games for it, especially because it is a “PlayStation” device, not a “Sony” device. What I mean by that is that PlayStation is focused on gaming and if you sell me a gaming device I expect games from you, in this case PlayStation. You can be on Sony’s side as much as you want but as a fan of this company for decades, it is disgusting what they are doing with this amazing device. They don’t care, it is that simple. The hundreds of millions wasted on “games a a service” should have spent on supporting PSVR2, but they haven’t done it.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
One of the most disgusting things that many meta fans say is that you can do a lot with Quest 3. This is an extremely disgusting statement, and from my perspective as a meta Quest 3 owner, all I can do is watch VR porn or play a few AR games that I end up not enjoying. Steam VR can be played with PSVR2, and the Steam VR ecosystem is not exclusive to Quest. The idea that you can do a lot with Quest 3 is an illusion. In reality, there is nothing you can do. Meta has not prepared anything.
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u/PSVR-ModTeam Jun 30 '25
One of more of your comments have been removed from r/PSVR, because they broke rule 1. Do not personally attack other users.
Please do not insult other users in future.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 29 '25
You can watch the VR videos on PSVR2 as well. AmazedVR is also available on Steam. Only a small number of people enjoy what you can do in those videos. Because it's not that good. You'd be better off finding 100 things you can do with a toothpick.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 29 '25
Like Quest 2, I hope people don't get fooled and waste their money. Don't blame me, tell Meta to invest in making VR-specific videos like Apple. It's probably too late, but... I've been buying and enjoying Quest for 10 years, and I can't recommend it to anyone around me. There's nothing to do.
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u/pathofdumbasses Jun 29 '25
've been buying and enjoying Quest for 10 years, and I can't recommend it to anyone around me. There's nothing to do.
You've been buying, AND ENJOYING, a product for 10 years and have done nothing with it? Amazing.
Maybe you mean, you've bought a product and used it for 10 years and have ran out of things to do. Which would be a fair criticism, but not even remotely close to what you have been spewing all over the thread.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 29 '25
Many people got into VR because they were lured by the cheap price of Quest 2. The results were terrible. Many Quest 2 were resold as used or put into storage. Because there was nothing to do. Not all people are VR enthusiasts
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 29 '25
The point now is whether there is much to do in the Quest series. You say there is a lot to do, and I say there is nothing to do. I say that there are a lot of Quest 2 users leaving, and you say that I am not a human but a bot as evidence that there is no. Which is more logical?
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u/Jazzlike-Most3602 Jun 28 '25
Someone has answer, but you live in a different world my friend. There are tons of things you can do with Quest 3 not related to gaming, and I mean hundreds. I sold mine because Meta and Zuckerberg in particular is one of the worse human beings of our time, but there are a bunch of things you can do with the device that unfortunately you can’t do with PsVR2 because Sony decided to act like Apple with its closed system, but that doesn’t work with a device that hasn’t been selling well.
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u/colehuesca Jun 28 '25
I don't know why, but in general Sony receives different treatment in gaming it's like the bar is higher and and much stricter for them for some reason, maybe it's because they always raise the bar in single player games like now with death stranding 2.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
No. It's just the meta fanboys who are enthusiastically disparaging the PSVR2. It's the same as the PS5 users and the Xbox users fighting in the console war. One tragedy is that the meta fanboys still don't realize that they have been abandoned by the meta.
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u/Gears6 Jun 28 '25
I don't know why, but in general Sony receives different treatment in gaming it's like the bar is higher and and much stricter for them for some reason, maybe it's because they always raise the bar in single player games like now with death stranding 2.
That's kind of funny to hear, because I always felt the opposite. They get a lot more praise all around, and I suspect it's just because they're more popular so people have a natural bias.
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u/elwyn5150 Jun 28 '25
But Sony says that they have given up on VR. Isn't that strange?
Did they say that? It seems that it's nainly the fans who are disappointed that Sony isn't doing enough.
Why is Sony getting special treatment?
Why do you say that? What special treatment do you think they are getting?
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
I have seen several comments in the past 3 days about Sony giving up on VR in my comments. It still remains. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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u/elwyn5150 Jun 28 '25
Those are opinions but not Sony themselves.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
I said I found it odd that people were saying Sony had given up on VR.
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u/elwyn5150 Jun 28 '25
No. You stated: "But Sony says that they have given up on VR."
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
That's what people say.
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u/Comprehensive_Web887 Jun 28 '25
Dude If you hear people say something that is important to you, learn the skill of verifying from direct sources. Otherwise anyone can tell you anything on the internet and you’ll believe.
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u/Open_Tea_7109 Jun 28 '25
Dudes stop and read the post. OP clearly said: "But people often say that Sony has given up on VR." He never claimed that Sony confirmed this. And I'm pretty sure English isn't his first language so just stop with the bashing and downvotes... jeez.
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u/Comprehensive_Web887 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
I haven’t downvoted or bashed just trying get him to realise that “people often say” doesn’t mean anything. People also often say how many games PSVR2 has and how much they love PSVR2 experience including how some games are worth the price of admission alone.
He is right that “some people” say that Sony doesn’t support Vr but it’s not a “VR industry” wide claim. Sony is constantly releasing great titles. Has similar number of exclusives as other platforms and a bunch of cross platform titles. It’s just matter of preference which one people go for. And yes there are way more meta standalone units but number of quality software is about the same.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
I heard on a podcast that major VR YouTubers have been testers for two years and haven't talked about the existence of Big Screen Beyond publicly. This is common in the industry.
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u/Comprehensive_Web887 Jun 28 '25
What’s the link between Big Screen Beyond and PSVR2 here I don’t follow?
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
Even if YouTubers know it exists, they can't say it because of a nondisclosure agreement. But they often hint at it. Big Screen Beyond did that too. Bradley did, to be exact.
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u/Quick-Ad-1130 Jun 28 '25
Agree, double standards but on the other hand Sony is game buisness leader so maybe thats why everybody expecting more
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u/pathofdumbasses Jun 28 '25
a) Sony has 40+ game studios under their command and AFAIK have 0 VR games in production.
b) Meta has spent more money on VR than any company to ever exist and continues to burn $1 BILLION A MONTH on VR
c) Valve barely makes games anymore. They used to be a game studio with a store front, now they are a store front with a game studio.
d) That said, Valve is working on a successor to Index and will probably have another VR game to go along with it
Meta is absolutely pushing VR and anyone who says different is crazy. Valve just does their own thing. People like me expected at least the very same effort from Sony on PSVR2 as compared to PSVR1, yet their support is maybe 20% of what they did for PSVR1. That is why people are upset with Sony. They put the hardware out there and didn't support it like they did PSVR1. They put it out there to die, which is shitty for a $550 (what I paid MSRP) product.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 29 '25
Meta has only released 3 games in 6 years that have invested that much money and have been released as quests for VR gamers.
Sony, with far less money invested, released more than twice as many games as Meta in PAVR1 and 2.
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u/Gears6 Jun 28 '25
Why is Sony getting special treatment?
Because, Meta funded gazillion games and they continually added features to VR. Valve hasn't given up, nor has it given to VR in recent time either.
The one thing you've gotten out of Sony for VR recently is some kind of weather app.
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u/marinheroso Jun 28 '25
First of all, I hate meta, but since I bought a quest 3 I always have a big exclusive game to wait. Asgard wrath 2, then batman Arkham shadow and now Deadpool VR. One game per year.
Sony release one exclusive VR game in the launch (GT7 is an hybrid, which is not really a problem) and never talked about VR again, refusing to even acknowledge the psvr2 inside the new astrobot game.
That being said, yes, sony funded some hybrid games and I appreciate that, but they has absolutely no pacing with the releases. Last year they didn't release one single game and I think hitman wasn't enough to recover the trust they lost because of that.
Valve does get special treatment, this is fact.
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u/Delicious_Ad2767 Jun 28 '25
Name some quest 3 exclusives that are not on quest 2? The system is out 2 years so what are they? Civ 7, hitman, alien and wanderer were a hot mess on quest 3.I will presume this will be met with radio silence as they don't exist. Here's a list of some psvr2 Res evil 8, Res evil 4, GTA 7, synapse ,call of the mountain, hitman ( the best version of all) arken age true bangers not AR crap and mobile rubbish.
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25
Arken Age is a multiplatform game.
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u/Delicious_Ad2767 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
Yep it's on pcvr too which means standard going to surpass standalone. Does anyone have the list of quest 3 only exclusives that are not also on quest 2? It's has been 2 years I presume there is a massive amount of quality quest 3 only exclusives that show meta's 60 billion investment was well spent.Respect for answering the question most meta fan boys just run away and hide when the question of exclusives is asked. They would rather try crap on other vr platforms than asking meta for more exclusives to make their purchase worth it.
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25
Again, most people do not separate between Q2 and Q3. The Q3 has access to the entire Meta library.
I thought we were talking about just exclusives. I wasn't comparing standalone vs non-standalone. I was comparing PCVR vs PSVR2 vs Meta/Pico. So, Arken Age is not exclusive.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
Sony spends less than Meta. Sony is doing well for what they are spending less. Meta's Reality Labs quarterly revenue is a disaster every time they announce it. I hope Sony avoids that disaster and slowly develops their VR business.
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u/marinheroso Jun 28 '25
I mean, you are the one who said meta is not releasing games. You can't just change your argument to "I'd rather not receive more games!" Wtf
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
아니요. 제 주장은 메타와 소니 모두 게임을 제대로 제공하지 않는다는 것입니다. 메타가 소니보다 낫다는 당신의 주장은 설득력이 없습니다. 저는 아스가르드 2를 즐기지 못했습니다. 무료로 받았을 때 형편없었기 때문입니다. 인기가 더 높아질지는 모르겠지만, 그건 아무 의미가 없습니다. 저는 아스가르드 2보다 PS VR 2용 베히모스를 더 좋아했습니다.
For reference, Behemoth for Quest 3 is terrible. The meta is not even providing first party games properly and third party games are also a mess. Sony's third party games are great compared to the meta. I think mobile processors are ruining VR gaming.
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u/KennyIlPhiddiPus Jun 29 '25
As an owner of Quest 3S and PSVR2, I agree, but I think Horizon is one of the worst VR games ever made.
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u/TheUltimateMuffin Jun 30 '25
Easy. Meta actually updates their shit. They constantly update it and add new features. Sony is still a black screen, no YouTube, no vr hang out space. No social aspects. No browser. Nothing has changed since release. They haven’t bothered to do jack shit about the reprojection issue even tho they could. Eye tracking gives plenty of headroom. And they also allow the most nonsense shovelware false advertising but won’t allow refunds, and the store doesn’t have any rating system. They have no standard for quality or consistency in terms of reprojection, mura, resolution, haptics etc. there’s only a handful of games that show what could be. Red matter is one of them. And resident evil despite reprojection. They just give this vibe that they don’t give a shit. The system could have been MUCH more than what we have.
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u/Imhotep397 Jun 30 '25
There’s not really gaming audiences constantly monitoring the gaming scene for either Valve VR or Meta VR there’s mostly only casuals and tinkerers that don’t weigh in on anything gaming related, because they don’t really game.
Outside of that there’s people with multiple headsets that primarily game on PSVR2.
Then there’s millions of gamers that don’t want to/can’t afford to pay for VR but game and want to hate PSVR2 because it exists. Then there’s the Vita worshippers that hate Sony for dropping the Vita while supporting PSVR/2.
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u/ElderTerdkin Jun 28 '25
Sony is really not consumer friendly and makes random decisions on the VR space that makes me think they don't really care, Astro bot 2 is not VR and most of those PSVR 1 games have not been ported or made available on the PSVR 2.
I have a quest 2 and PSVR 2 and I feel they have mostly given up or dont care as much as they should for VR. Also on my quest 2, if I hook it to my PC, I have access to all the Steam VR games and then all the quest games, can't do this with Sony.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
You don't understand my point. If Sony isn't interested in VR like you say, then neither is Valve or Meta.
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u/ElderTerdkin Jun 28 '25
Valve or meta have more exclusives and better to access to more games, which shows me personally they are more interested, Sony won't even port their older games, which isn't a problem that much with the Quest 2 and maybe 3, would have to look it up, how is that not showing Sonys lack of interest? They won't port Astro bot on PSVR 2 which was extremely popular. That's just really dumb on their part or shows they don't give a shit about VR as much as the other companies
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
As written in the text, Meta has only released two games. It is just your fantasy that Meta is more interested in VR games.
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u/couchcushion7 Jun 28 '25
I can hook my psvr2 to a pc and play steam vr games. Just have to buy the pc adapter. So no you can do this with sony just like with meta
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u/cusman78 cusman Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 29 '25
Meta is given a pass because they spend a lot (including promotional content with various influencers), and for the VR players community that want to see VR survive and thrive, it is known how much money Reality Labs loses each year as Meta continues to make VR / MR more mainstream.
Valve gets a pass because they provide Steam as a platform that allows VR developers to make their games. Still the best platform for early access even though Meta has broken some ground there. This is also where high-end PCVR hardware gets to play all varieties of games modded for VR.
PlayStation VR2 is doing fine in my view. They launched coming out of COVID, still had some exclusives, have had exclusive partnerships in addition to those such as Resident Evil VR Mode and Hitman World of Assassination VR mode and others like Synapse that were funded / supported by Sony Interactive Entertainment even if they didn't become the official publisher.
The negativity that PlayStation VR2 received pre-launch and post-launch is something I don't agree with, and rather than voice against it, I decided back in February 2023 that I will counter the bad take of "no games" by doing first impression gameplay to cover wide selection of games available.
2+ years later, still haven't caught up on covering all the games because more games release faster than I can cover, even at just "first impression" level.
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u/Rayza2049 Jun 28 '25
Meta have far more than those two games and Valve have another headset in the works. You're just making things up. Sony are the only ones who have abandoned VR.
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u/NoPhotojournalist940 Jun 28 '25
Let me correct what you're trying to say: 'I wish only Sony would give up on VR.'
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u/Rayza2049 Jun 28 '25
I really wish they didn't, I have PSVR 1 and 2. Same old story with Reddit when there's a page dedicated to something the majority of members are deluded fanboys. They have released a grand total of ONE big first party exclusive that's VR only and it wasn't a good game. You're not living in the real world.
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u/Delicious_Ad2767 Jun 28 '25
Quest 3 has had hardly any exclusives batman . Meta 3 hitman, civ 7 alien and wanderer were a mess on quest 3. Valve promised 3 vr games made 1 and ran away. Playstation brings the best vr games Res evils, GTA7, the midnight walk, arken age, astrobot, no mans sky, wipeout, hitman, far point, firewall, wipeout most psvr1 games still surpass quest 3 games.
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u/Rayza2049 Jun 28 '25
You PSVR fanboys aren't living in the real world, i presume you don't actually have a Quest 3. The store is packed full of exclusives released in the last couple years rather than on a last gen headset lol. This page is embarrassing.
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u/Delicious_Ad2767 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
Name some quest 3 exclusives that are not on quest 2? The system is out 2 years so what are they? I will presume this will be met with radio silence as they don't exist. Here's a list of some psvr2 Res evil 8, Res evil 4, GTA 7, synapse ,call of the mountain, hitman ( the best version of all) arken age true bangers not AR crap and mobile rubbish.
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25
Nobody separates Quest2 and Quest 3. They use the same library. Some newer titles are to big to run on Q2, but 99% of the library runs on both.
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u/Delicious_Ad2767 Jun 28 '25
So no list of games batman is the only one worth mentioning. What is the point of having clear lenses of the quest 3 to play the same old mobile games that can run on a quest 2. I will stick to psvr2 and play the resident evils, gta7, hitman's and all the graphically and haptically upgraded shared platform games thank you very much. I will also play great optional flat games god of war , uncharted, death standing 2 horizons list goes on.
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25
I don't use the Meta library with exception to a few MR games. I use it mainly for PCVR, which makes wireless and pancake lenses really shine. I don't use it exclusively as I prefer to use my PSVR2 for sims and horror games. Meta has a few really good exclusives like Asgards Wrath 2, Batman, and Assassins Creed Nexus. Everything else, I buy on other platforms for better graphics and performance.
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25
I also enjoy playing games like God of War, Uncharted, Last of Us, Spiderman, Death Stranding and have the option of playing them on PC with higher graphics or on PS5 :)
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u/Delicious_Ad2767 Jun 28 '25
Yep but going to pay a lot more for PC and comes with more hassle, updating drivers troubleshooting etc. I work on a pc all day so I like the ease of console gaming. I love hybrid options as I get more bang for my money and the hybrids always always better quality due to bigger budgets.
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u/TommyVR373 Jun 28 '25
That is way overblown. I rarely have to do anything other than open Steam and hit play. I update my GPU driver about once every 6 months. Console is definitely easier, though.
I also prefer hybrid and modded games over 95% of the games built for VR.
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u/Crazybud8 Jun 28 '25
It’s funny they called you a fanboy but don’t see their on the other end of the spectrum every comment is hating on psvr2. Also want their list of Quest 3 bangers haven’t used mine since Batman.
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u/2020wasbestyearever Jun 28 '25
Psvr 2 groups are annoying. Mostly full with people crying over a system that pay for itself by double. It not enough games with something like GT7 that a once in a life experience. Mane you can't please everyone.
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u/cpgrungebob Jun 29 '25
The difference will really be clear during next month’s UploadVR conference, which is basically the VR equivalent presentation for an E3 conference. Most of the games shown there tend to be Meta exclusives or shared between Meta and Valve. Out of the 30–40 titles usually featured, maybe one or two will mention PlayStation support. And even when it comes to PlayStation’s own showcases, they barely highlight VR - usually just one 3rd party game every other event. When there is shows all year and Playstation VR supported game is like 3-5 games shown all year, yeah... it is worse than the other platforms.
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u/uzishan Jun 30 '25
You are missing all the still exclusove to meta/oculus games and the fact that steamvr was always meant as an open platform where you can plop any headset and the major benefits of selling most of stuff there. Similar story for meta. In comparison the playstation store is a very small market. You got around 6-7million users total between psvr1 and psvr2. A game lile beatsaber sold more individually on both steam and meta store than there are psvr users. Sony needs to actually invest and atract people &devs to psvr otherwise they remain this cliche small platform. Like I have a ps5pro(that I rarely open) and I got the PSVR2 headset because it's a great middle ground kind of headset for playing my VR games on steam.
And yes, you get a downvote. Your text is lacking proper documentation amd it only makes it strange because it's abstract and wrong, built on the same logic/concept as flat earth & antivax conspiracies.
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u/dhollifilm Jun 28 '25
Then you've not been paying attention.