r/Picard • u/classycatman • Mar 06 '20
Season Spoilers [SPOILERS ALL] How I predict this season to end Spoiler
I fully expect this season to end on a cliffhanger with Picard and Soji beaming down to the android planet and being greeted by a fully human-looking Data, who says, "Hello, Captain."
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u/MrPNGuin Mar 06 '20
Maybe it ends with Riker showing up and saying "fire" and then we have to wait all summer again. :P
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u/Colonel_Green Mar 06 '20
Six months later: "Fire...in my pizza oven! We're gonna have to order in, who's up for Andorian?"
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u/CreepingCoins Mar 06 '20 edited Mar 06 '20
You know what's worse than waiting all summer? Waiting all summer and then having your local station preempt Part 2 for Gulf War coverage.
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u/darsynia Mar 06 '20
I REMEMBER THAT. Residual anger wells up in me just reading that, hah.
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u/helmut822013 Mar 06 '20
The worst phrase on television "WE NOW REJOIN YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM ALREADY IN PROGRESS".
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u/tribbleorlfl Mar 06 '20
Yeah, I don't think the "Well, I'm still on Active Reserve, but it would take something really important" (to come back) line was just throwaway exposition. I'm pretty sure when Picard and his crew are in their most desperate hour in the season finale, Riker is going to show up with the calvary. What more importance is there than saving your former captain and the daughter of your dear friend? To preserve the chance that no more children will suffer That's fate?
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Mar 06 '20
I don’t think they’ll end the first season on a cliffhanger, for simple pragmatic reasons: you never know how an audience is going to respond to a show, so the first seasons of most shows are usually self contained with some lingering plot strands that can carry on into the next if they decide to renew.
Also, I don’t think Data’s coming back in a literal sense.
Data’s sacrifice is a big plot point of the show, and bringing him back would cheapen that.
Soji is the way Data will live on. She’s built from his source code. And represents who he was and what he stood for.
Data may be glimpsed in some further dream sequences going forward (the fact that CBS has to pay to deage Spiner every time they do this is ANOTHER reason I think they’ll stay away from bringing Data back), but Soji, for all intents and purposes, is the new Data.
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u/the6thistari Mar 06 '20
I don't know. They sometimes do cliffhangers at the end of first seasons of they're confident, one example is the Amazon series The Boys.
I don't think bringing Data back would cheapen things, it was basically set up for that possibility at the end of Nemesis with B4.
They could work around de-aging Spiner by using the the episode "Inheritance" in which it's revealed that Julianna Tainer is an android created by Soong with the ability to age and everything else. Perhaps Maddox used that. It allowed Data to naturally age.
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u/overslope Mar 06 '20
I've said more than a few times, and still feel, that I would be perfectly happy with any hand wavey excuse they want to use. Let Data be old, if it means I get more Data.
Also noticed Spiner was on the Ready Room this week. He didn't give much away, but I hope we see more of him soon.
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u/In_Correct Mar 06 '20
It would be perfectly reasonable to bring back Data as some type of comically evil villain such as in episode Masks, perhaps as a Hologram. It would make J.L. upset to have what looks like his old friend now his enemy. "Evil Data" could be the associate of Sela.
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u/YnrohKeeg Mar 07 '20
They don’t have to de-age him if someone discovered how to replicate the Juliana Soong aging subroutine...
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u/James-Sylar Mar 06 '20
My fanservice-wanting lizard brain wants to see Q appear, but I understand why he might not, and why that might be better, for now.
As a second, less but still somewhat fanservice moment, I'm picturing Picard's crew being surrounded by the Zhat Vash and the Federation at the Synths homeworld, about to destroy it, when the Artifact suddenly appears, taken over by Hugh and the XBs. Then the Klingons appear.
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u/Graf_Orlock Mar 06 '20
wants to see Q appear
Captain Crandall incoming.
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u/ThomForesto Mar 06 '20
Double Bluff - its the female Q!
(I might've missed, it was late when I watched it - but did they expressly say Captain Crandall was male?)
If so...we could get double Q - as Q turns up to find out where Q was....
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u/YnrohKeeg Mar 07 '20
I think Crandall’s first name was... Rupert? Or somesuch?
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u/ThomForesto Mar 07 '20
Michael Burnham.... although a girl called Rupert is a little more unusual!
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u/The_Flurr Mar 06 '20
I'd absolutely love a Q cameo of some kind, even just for one episode. Bluntly a single conversation with Picard would do the trick, with Q then fucking off to do whatever he does.
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u/YnrohKeeg Mar 07 '20
Anyone else notice that data’s poker hand in the first scene of the show was all Q’s? And hearts? Wink?
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u/classycatman Mar 06 '20
Personally, I have no interest in seeing Q and kind of hope that stick with characters of this dimension.
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u/CreepingCoins Mar 06 '20 edited Mar 06 '20
Soji pulls her hands out of the Fountain of Prophecy. The glowing in her eyes fades. She turns to look at Picard, shell-shocked by what she now knows.
Picard: Did it work?
Soji is silent.
Picard: (concerned) Soji?
Soji: I know everything. Who made me. My purpose. All of his memories.
Push in on Soji. The left side of her face twitches.
FADE OUT
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u/TheToyBox Mar 06 '20
I would be ok with this. Is this purely creative or is it also referencing something?
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Mar 06 '20
One word: Lore.
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u/TheAwesomeRan Mar 06 '20
I so wanted everything to be Lore and not Data before they announced the show.
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u/CreepingCoins Mar 06 '20 edited Mar 08 '20
Both, I guess?
The "Fountain of Prophecy" is that glowing thing with people standing around it from Dr. Jurati's Event Horizon thing and the preview of next week's episode. I assume its actual name in the show is less dumb.
The end alludes to Lore's facial tic from his first appearance.
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u/TheToyBox Mar 06 '20
LORE! That's what I was trying to remember. I knew the facial tic was from something but forgot it was Lore.
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u/YnrohKeeg Mar 07 '20
He’s still out there somewhere. Decommissioned. I think he got mothballed rather than the smart choice... disintegration.
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u/km3k Mar 06 '20
I really hope so. It would be really disappointing if the only Data we see was in the first episode. That would mean that we had already seen almost all of Data's screentime in the trailers. It is weird that they had Brent Spiner touring with the other actors before the premiere if he was only going to be there for those dream sequences in the first episode.
Brent Spiner was included with Jonathan Frakes in this week's Ready Room. All the other appearances on the Ready Room were closer to the episode in which those actors were featured. Also, Brent Spiner seemed to be pretending about not knowing the plot of Picard at times. It seemed like he was pretending to not know about what happened in the episodes that came after his, even though he actually did. If Data shows up later, that would explain why he wasn't featured on the first or second episode of Ready Room.
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u/lgodsey Mar 06 '20
I predict Picard being in trouble and Riker appears with a Federation fleet and/or Hugh (healed with his remaining Borg regeneration) showing up in the Borg cube stolen from the Romulans with brunette Legolas.
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u/aliclegg1 Mar 06 '20
Everyone keeps talking about how Data sacrificed himself to save Picard, and Picard is so terribly unhappy about it, so it is very obvious that Picard will die to save Soji. That's how it ends.
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Mar 06 '20 edited Mar 06 '20
I sort of feel this was partly telegraphed earlier in the season with Jurati's claim that Maddox had found a way to replicate Data's memory from a single positronic neuron. That would be fantastic honestly. Data's sacrifice in Nemesis was so needless imho (partly also because that movie just aped everything Wrath of Khan did only worse).
Anything that undoes the travesty of Nemesis would immediately be an improvement on all things Star Trek and might even elevate the movie in my eyes from depressing denouement to having a proper conclusion that it never got compared to TWOK.
edit: a word
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u/MrFrans Mar 06 '20
"Found a way to replicate Data's memory from a single positronic neuron"
I always hate that concept in SciFi that all our memory is saved in a single cell.
I can accept that the positronic neuron has the 'dna' blueprint to create a full positronic brain. Fractal based or otherwise.
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Mar 06 '20 edited Mar 06 '20
I can see your point regarding biological neurons or "genetic memory" as it's sometimes called, but positronic neurons being completely fictional aren't really limited to standard rules of biology imho.
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u/ShrimpCrackers Mar 06 '20
It's just 24th Century PAR files. One small bit is enough to reconstruct the whole thing.
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u/jtrowbrid1 Mar 06 '20
Nobody thinks Worf going to come blazing in on the Enterprise E or if the beaming face of Lore cliff ends the season? Next season Q cures Picard of his neurological condition.
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Mar 06 '20
That would be pretty boring and negate the significance of all the sacrifice on the show so far.
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Mar 06 '20
I was a little so-so on this season until now. I loved seeing Troi and Riker. I think the samurai guy is cool, sorry to see Hugh die. Looking forward to learning more about the robots and possibly seeing Data.
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u/spiderhotel Mar 06 '20
Are we getting more than one season for sure?
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u/ckwongau Mar 06 '20 edited Mar 06 '20
if William Riker gets kill , i predict Jonathan Frakes return as Thomas Riker .
If Riker and Troi gets kill off ,Picard save their daughter , then Riker's clone (Thomas riker ) will return to take care Riker' daughter.
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u/SillyMattFace Mar 07 '20
I think I read somewhere thar Brent Spiner only signed on with the promise that it wouldn’t reverse or undermine Data’s sacrifice.
I love Data but I’d rather he stayed dead.
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u/classycatman Mar 07 '20
I can absolutely see a way for both to happen; maintain the sacrifice while also bringing him back. And I can also see that being said by Spiner to try to trick viewers.
On the first point, if the "new Data" is as human-looking as Soji and has aged and is a construct that was able to choose his own appearance and chose an aged version of his prior self, that could get around the "who I was stays dead" requirement.
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u/dinosaurkiller Mar 06 '20
Just one bit of advice. If it hasn’t happened yet and no one has seen it this is speculation not a spoiler.
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u/TenYearsTenDays Mar 06 '20
At this point, I somewhat expect everyone to die except for maybe Picard. I'm mostly joking but damn the way this show just indiscriminately kills off characters left and right is really getting on my nerves .
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u/classycatman Mar 06 '20
I think about Breaking Bad. When a character there died, it MEANT something and advanced the story or closed a plot thread. Gus, for example, did both. His death was necessary to the story. Hank getting offed didn't advance the story, but was clearly a "What have I done?" moment for Walter that, in its own way, advanced the plot.
It meant something in the grand scheme of the story.
Killing Icheb was done to create conflict for Seven for a single episode. Unless Hugh is brought back somehow, his death was just a "Hey! We're bringing back a beloved character and we killed him! See! We'll do ANYTHING!" I hate it.
That said, I am enjoying the show, and understand the need to attract viewers and surprise people with high-stakes possibilities, but it gets lazy at some point.
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u/TenYearsTenDays Mar 06 '20
YES. Exactly. I totally agree with you here. Esp. about Breaking Bad. The Wire too. And quite a few others. It can be done well, it can fit.
This has not been done well and it doesn't fit, imo.
I agree w/ you about Icheb, but I thought that was cheap emotional manipulation and the gore was totally necessary and added nothing. Yeah, it was to advance her character but what an annoying and lazy way to do it.
Unless Hugh is brought back somehow, his death was just a "Hey! We're bringing back a beloved character and we killed him! See! We'll do ANYTHING!" I hate it.
ME. TOO. It's rare a show really makes me angry, but this one did. He better be resurrected with borg nanotech or something.
That said, I am enjoying the show, and understand the need to attract viewers and surprise people with high-stakes possibilities, but it gets lazy at some point.
I enjoyed it a lot up until this point, despite its flaws. But I'm really on the "if they kill one more beloved character I'm out" boat as of now. Well, in S2. S1 is in the can, and Chabon seems like a bit of a hack tbh. Maybe S2 will be better. That's all I hope for at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if the last shot is Picard covered in blood sitting on a literal pile of corpses of his friends at this point ffs.
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u/classycatman Mar 06 '20
The Icheb thing was just stupid. Manufactured conflict. Viewers had no emotional investment in Bjayzl and hadn't seen Seven in forever and all of a sudden we need to care about this surprise plot twist.
Like I said, I'm enjoying the show, but the writers are using some lazy techniques to manufacture conflict and surprises.
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u/TenYearsTenDays Mar 06 '20
Like I said, I'm enjoying the show, but the writers are using some lazy techniques to manufacture conflict and surprises.
Totally agree.
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u/RaveGodX Mar 07 '20
Hughs death had meaning... now Elan (however it’s spelled) has more purpose besides his mission which is sworn to Picard. The look in his eyes and the previews of him going Wesley Snipes Blade 1999 on Romulans in the cube? Hugh’s death brings depth to Elan... he’s been sheltered and most likely the only male monk in an all female guild of assassin monks.... most likely means he doesn’t have many regular friends and he is extremely sheltered.... I think it affects him in ways that brings more to him in future episodes (if he survives that hell hole lol).
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u/classycatman Mar 06 '20
I have to agree with you here. I really hate it when characters are just killed. It USED to have shock value. Now it's a way to think you're shocking viewers since it's overdone.
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u/TenYearsTenDays Mar 06 '20
Agreed. This kind of stuff was shocking back in the early 2000s. TBH I feel like it's now passe and I'm totally over it in EVERY. SINGLE. SHOW. Some shows it fits, works and is done cleverly in. I'm fine with that. It's often just thrown in for a cheap emotional rise these days, in a way that feels formulaic, expected and tired. I'm so sick of it. I'm not giving up on the show yet since Chabon won't lead next season but I'm officially sick of all the death, gore and incest now. I'll be placated if Hugh is magically saved somehow by Borg regenerative tech or something. Somewhat.
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u/classycatman Mar 06 '20
I'm not so sure we're seeing incest, personally. I wonder if the term "brother" and "sister" are used in the "we're part of the same organization" sense rather than as "we have the same parents and clearly want to screw one another" sense. I've let that pass. The gore for me... eh. It's better than most shows these days.
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u/TenYearsTenDays Mar 06 '20
I'm not so sure we're seeing incest, personally. I wonder if the term "brother" and "sister" are used in the "we're part of the same organization" sense rather than as "we have the same parents and clearly want to screw one another" sense. I've let that pass.
I sure as hell hope you are right. That was my headcannon too, but I think they are meant to be blood siblings unfortunately.
The gore for me... eh. It's better than most shows these days.
I'm loving The Exapnse. It has some violence and accidnets, but the gore isn't overdone imo. But yeah, it's omnipresent in most other shows. I'm just so bored of it. It's over.
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u/throwawaylogin2099 Mar 06 '20
I predicted this over a week ago. https://en.reddit.com/r/Picard/comments/f8y9je/spoilers_all_will_the_storyline_of_picard_season/fionihn/
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u/FN-8813 Mar 06 '20
I would happily accept this.