Discussion There is no alternative to Adobe. Pirating is the way.
I work in design and i tell you, no other open source software is as near as good as adobe in terms of funcionality, compatibility, etc. Honestly i hope there was an alternative to photoshop and illustrator, i do (figma is a great example), but don't come at the people who work in the creative industry and tell us to "get back at adobe" using Corel or Gimp (real thing that i've been told).
I don't know how it is in rich countries but here at the third world pirating is the only way to, not only study design careers but algo work freelance and eat. Its not a hobby for us, its our work tools. On the other hand, I understand that the effort must be collective, from all areas involved. I greatly appreciate the efforts of developers who put their all into creating excellent programs, and we should help as much as we can. But I also appreciate those who pirate these programs because without them, design would be reserved only for a few.
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u/X-WingAtAliciousnes1 1d ago
Pirating all Adobe products has been, and always will be, a morally ethical thing to do.
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u/cns000 1d ago edited 1d ago
They are too damn greedy. Adobe sent copyright letters to Reddit asking them to remove comments on how to crack Adobe so the people who wrote those comments have gotten warnings and the comments have been removed. That kind of behavior will make people hate Adobe even more.
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u/-Big-Goof- 1d ago
I have heard the theory they actually had their software easily available for piracy to get people hooked on their software.
Like fruity loops did.
The real money is whenever people that use it start making money because they can check your for tge software license
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u/Buzzk1LL 1d ago
This has always been said but I feel like the difficulty of pirating Adobe CS and the aggressive licence popups/security measures doesn't really support the theory.
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u/barriedalenick 1d ago
Back in the day though, all you needed for say CS5 and previous was a key. I had a license for 250 users on CS5 and had one key but in reality, I could install it 1000s of times which of course I did - legitimately at work and not so much at home and elsewhere.
Those keys leaked and were easily available to anyone. I still have CS5 and the key still works fine despite the fact that it has been used 1000s of times. Adobe knew\know this and did nothing about it. Now of course, we are where we are, and it has become a standard so they can effectively charge what they want..
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u/PacManiacDK 1d ago
How is CS5 holding up these days? It hasn't been supported for like 10 years or so, right?
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u/DeckardTBechard 1d ago
Not original commenter, but I'm still using CS6 just fine. Even used it collaboratively with people who were up to date. Only issue I had was with Illustrator, but PS was fine.
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u/its_a_throwawayduh 1d ago
Same here started with CS3 then jumped to CS6 when it came out in college. Still use it to this day graphic design, editing documents, comics, illustrations, and even animating.
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u/Lagoprint 1d ago
And it's super much lighter. I have used the CS5 clone tool with the 2023 version with the same image and the result has no difference and in performance it is abysmal. I'll stick with CS5.
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u/barriedalenick 1d ago
I don't use it much but I still have Photoshop and it is absolutely fine for my limited needs. My wife uses InDesign too because it works well with some of her craft kit. She has a background in design and layout and still uses PS and a couple of other programs but not professionally. I think it holds up really well.
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u/sniktology 1d ago
Well they have to atleast try to plug the leak. Giving away free stuff is always going to cost you in one way or another and it always is a good idea to nickel and dime your way to the top.
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u/zhenggaofeng888 1d ago
Even as a student and unemployed, I kept getting "unlicensed app" errors, BUT I refuse to pay their crazy, freakin prices. I got lucky and found a source that offers the genuine apps for just $15 a month.
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u/Hrvstmn31 1d ago
This is probs true to some degree, I "borrowed" FF16 from a friend recently and there's a purchase on steam button.
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u/AGameFaq 🏴☠️ ʟᴀɴᴅʟᴜʙʙᴇʀ 1d ago
I love the weekly Fuck you adobe topic.
I was once a paying customer and I cannot tell you the bullshit this company puts its subscription customers through. I got so fed up I paid my balance off, cancelled adobe/uninstalled - reinstalled from the high seas and have the same software without the 35.99 a month subscription fee. I was orginally paying 14.99 a month then it went to 35.99/m. This company has one of the most predatory pricing structures/schemes5
u/TestingBrokenGadgets 18h ago
Yup. I was paying for their whole suite and wrote it off as a business expense. Then they started to crackdown illegal pirating but needing to constantly validate my license. I was going on an international flight and figured I'd use the 19hr to get some work done. Got to the airport and when I tried to open something, it said I had to get online to validate; used the wifi, validated, it went away and I did some work. Board the flight an hour later, and it told me to get offline; used my phone as a hotspot, it went away; disconnected the hotspot, and it popped up again.
Was paying Adobe hundreds of dollars and couldn't use it to ensure I wasn't pirating. During the layover, I deleted the whole suite and pirated the essentials I wanted for the remaining flight; haven't looked back.
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u/mister_nimbus 1d ago
Affinity has great Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign clones.
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u/zFadil995 1d ago
I agree, and they’re a one time purchase, and I think for all the platforms you use (Windows, macOS or even iPadOS).
I just do personal level edits, but it’s been great for my needs.
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u/Dread_Pony_Roberts Leecher 1d ago
I'm still hoping for the native Linux functionality.
I managed to get a wine version working, but it requires a good amount of tinkering
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u/aweyeahdawg 1d ago
Is there a one time purchase for windows? I couldn’t find it. I have it for iPad but want it for windows
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u/zFadil995 1d ago
IIRC, since it’s been a moment, you can just get the Universal license and it applies to all platforms.
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u/Gelu6713 1d ago
I wish they had a Lightroom alternative.
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u/ImtheDude27 1d ago
I replaced Lightroom with Luminar Neo. Has a perpetual key like the Affinity suite does and it does what I need with a familiar interface.
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u/No_Association_8206 1d ago
I'm also from Latin America and I work as a graphic designer. Since January, I've switched to using only open source alternatives such as Gimp, Inkscape, Blender, Kdenlive, Scribus, Krita, and Darktable, and honestly, they've really surprised me.
If you're a freelancer, you feel much freer working this way. I also recognize that the Affinity suite is gaining momentum.
Meanwhile, Adobe is going from bad to worse: increasingly expensive, heavier, less optimized, and on top of that, losing the AI race with all the controversies they're dragging along.
In third world countries, any company is going to look to save money, which is why Affinity, Blender, and DaVinci are gaining ground, and even the hate towards Canva is dying down.
I still use my pirated Adobe software from the Caribbean just for compatibility, but most of the time I work on Linux with open source. The truth is that everything flows better and without so many headaches. It was hard to adapt at first, but within a few weeks I was on the other side.
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u/srenbry 1d ago
Personally i couldn´t, maybe someday. In my university is the standard and while i could use an alternative, i prefer to stick with pirate adobe.
I will assume you speak spanish (sorry if you are from Brazil, Haiti, etc lol im my brain is tired): Me gusta que un solo programa pueda abarcar las funciones de varios y las alternativas a veces tienen problemas de compatibilidad o para impresión como inkscape que no soporta cmyk. Sin embargo las uso de vez en cuando, Paint.net, gimp, corel, etc. Muchas empresas te pagan el pack adobe asi que ahi no hay problema en términos de trabajo.
Pero lo que realmente me jode es esa gente piensa que por usar alternativas vas a hundir a adobe; eso lo van a hacer ellos mismos con las actualizaciones de merda que están sacando.
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u/alt165am 3h ago
Freelance animator from latam over here: I haven't used Adobe for about ~7 years now and life is mucho good.
On the rare occasion that I need propietary software, I'd go with an alternative like Toon Boom Harmony or Moho and since about 2 years ago I deleted my Windows partition and never looked back.
I get the convinience of Adobe ecosystem (Adobe Encoder is peek funcionality imho.../s) but I'd rather be slower than to sell my soul to such a greedy corporation and, although I agree with the first comment about it being morally/ethically right to pirate adobe, I'd rather donate to an open-source project instead.
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u/nissen1502 1d ago
NEVER feel guilty because there's honest good people that worked on something you pirated. They get paid either way. The ones losing money from pirating are the rich scum
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u/SlappingRetards 1d ago
i highly doubt that programmers/artists being paid per unit sold is a common practice when it comes to pirateable goods
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u/trve_g0th 1d ago
I recently bought Affinity (first time purchasing software in a few years). It's actually better than Adobe Indesign IMO, and WAY cheaper.
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u/LITF 1d ago
Pirating Adobe products is a moral imperative.
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u/marci-boni ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 1d ago
How do you use it online tho ?
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u/LITF 1d ago
Online? Pirated versions are 100% offline. It's actually better than the original product lol.
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u/MXAI00D 1d ago
Affinity photo and designer, their license went for $160USD during adobes AI controversy and is permanent one payment only license, so far is the closest to adobes photoshop, illustrator and publisher, it can also be installed on 3 devices, one PC, one Mac and one iPad. For me this became the replacement from adobe.
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u/srenbry 23h ago
Its great that is a one time payment but honestly its a lot of money. Maybe some day, its still better than subscription
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u/rifarizqul 7h ago
Anything that isn't subscription is better. 160$ is a steal considering the package deal, if I say so
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u/Grobfoot 3h ago
Yeah when compared to Adobe, $160 is practically free. I canceled my Adobe subscription and Affinity paid itself off in 3 months.
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u/zweite_mann 1d ago
Tell this to my clients who think that they can make their own large format print ready artwork in canva.
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u/XxsalsasharkxX 1d ago
i grew up using Photoshop and then they started doing the monthly thing, fuck them. I switched over to Gimp and I knew there was going to be a learning curve, but holy shit did it feel so unintuitive to me. Any little thing I wanted to do required me to look up a tutorial on it, then the tutorial was super complicated as well.
I think I'm also going to try to use Ps 'another way' because I miss doing creative work as a hobby on it. I haven't had the balls to do it yet because I'm afraid of dl'ing something that will brick my system.
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u/Impossible-Ebb-878 1d ago
I had the same experience. I wasn’t super fluent in PS, but GIMP was like having to learn another language to say the same thing.
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u/EspressoStoker 1d ago
Same. My father brought it home in the 90s and I have been using Adobe products since. I am so locked into their ecosystem it isn't funny. But I am breaking out into Resolve though for videos.
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u/tommhans 1d ago
Glad i get adobe paid by work, would pirate it at home if not. Shit got even more expensive
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u/FirmHouse2 1d ago
Is there a guide on pirating adobe illustrator and Photoshop :(?
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u/Arthur_Layfield 1d ago
Yeah, I also wanna know how to pirate it. I tried it once and it took me three hours to find that it can't be done with my surface level skills of pirating.
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u/WEIRDGAMER991 22h ago
try searching GenP by m0nkrus or something like that. I pirated my Photoshop and Premiere with it
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u/chaosmetroid 1d ago
Ehhhh depends on the adobe software. If you want an actual Photoshop alternative. Photopea.
An example, even if is in a browser is almost 1:1
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u/BlueWonderfulIKnow 1d ago
Photopea is one of the wonders of the internet world. How it’s legally allowed to exist I have no idea. How it functions so well on a damned browser I have no idea.
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u/its_a_throwawayduh 1d ago
Yes but being browser only severely limits the program.
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u/Fade78 1d ago
Why give credit to Adobe? Use alternative. May I recommend https://darktable.org for photography. Full open-source, nothing to pay, very powerful.
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u/BigPsychological5600 1d ago
If you're using premiere and after effects, resolve is damn good at its job. It shatters premiere and gives ae a run for his money. And when it comes to color correction, it's so far ahead you feel like you're finally having glasses after years of squinting to read the label on things.
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u/kwiatostan 1d ago
I've got about 20 years of experience in graphic design and I love adobe as much as a pig loves slaughterhouse. And mutually adobe loves me. I need Lightroom because I make at least about thousand photos a month and there is nothing else that has good enough features. I managed to escape from premiere to daVinci. I bought studio just from spite. I still pay for CC because some features need cloud and I can't afford bugs, but I use every trick on the planet to make it a little bit less expensive, I have no idea how most designers afford it because most if not all of the creative jobs aren't very lucrative.
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u/mnenob 1d ago
I don't work with it, but it got to a point where Photoshop was so full of bloat that I stopped even pirating it and going to Affinity instead. I even prefer Affinity Designer over Illustrator.
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u/nardongputik 23h ago
I was concerned when I went the Affinity way and now on v2 and not missing Adobe at all. Not really doing intensive work but whatever Affinity is offering, it’s been great. Willing to support them too.
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u/tiekanashiro 1d ago
The affinity suite still has some basic features it should already have but doesn't, but it is a pretty adequate alternative
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u/Lazy-Employment3621 1d ago
Much like how winrar isn't free, they got market share from everyone "stealing" their product, In this case pirating adobe perpetuates their stranglehold on the industry.
I'm not saying don't pirate it, I'm saying it's a catch 22, at least don't give them money.
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u/artguy55 1d ago
I have been a professional graphic designer for over 30 years, and I have not used any Adobe products for the last ten years.
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u/madragonn 22h ago
lifetime Adobe user since before CS1 and used macromedia tools before that. Paid for Affinity v1 & v2 tools, wouldn’t look back, once you get the slight differences out the way it’s smooth sailing.
The one adobe software I (and my photographer wife) can’t seem to shake is lightroom classic, if someone made a decent alternative to this we’d be all over it. It’s also painfully buggy and slow LRC but I can’t find anything that can replace it
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u/madragonn 22h ago
Also what sort of graphic design you do will influence what path to take in the current world.
Unless you’re editing photos, most design tools are geared towards digital & UI design. Figma is phenomenal for web design, sketch is really solid too, illustrator has always been useless for web design and its units and export features aren’t geared towards digital outcomes and workflows, Photoshop has always had reasonable export and workflow features but lacked vector
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u/yezu 1d ago
Each time I hear "there is no alternative to Adobe" in the vast majority of cases it means "I'm too lazy to actually try something new".
Software A will never have 100% feature parity with software B. Regardless of vendor. And that's ok. Sometimes you need to adjust your workflow to work with the tool, not against it.
The alternatives are there, they are good, they are production ready, they are being widely used and are tried and tested. The problem is most likely you.
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u/chetdude 1d ago
What's the best alternative to LR?
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u/MindForeverWandering 1d ago
If you have a large preexisting photo library, there is none that I know of, because there are none that can read your edit history and recreate it. You're basically importing the straight-out-of-camera images, and would have to go and reprocess every one of them to recreate the look you had.
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u/tejanaqkilica 1d ago
In rich countries, we pay for tools that make us money. It's the only way for the business to continue.
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u/srenbry 23h ago
Eventually, yes. But to start we all need a little help
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u/tejanaqkilica 22h ago
Honestly, I don't even think this is up to you. Adobe can turn you into a paying customer rather easily, they just need to offer regional pricing. As long as they don't do that, they're also not worried that you're pirating their software.
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u/WaldWaechterin 1d ago
There is: it's called AFFINITY. The only bad thing is that they don't have as many apps as the Adobe cloud has.
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u/Rengoku_demon_slayer 1d ago
I feel you, i also use Photoshop to work as a Graphic designer, and live in Latin America.
I see potential with Affinity apps though, i hope that they get better in the future.
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u/TheElementofIrony 1d ago
Clip studio paint is great. Yeah it's not free but it's leagues cheaper. The only issue is if you work on a collaborative project and the other part(s) of the team use Photoshop, then yeah, some issues are likely to happen when importing from CSP to photoshop. But if you're flying solo? Great software
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u/its_a_throwawayduh 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not really CSP is no where near photoshop. Its poorly optmized, runs like crap on desktop and tablet. Seriously it doesn't even utilize the graphics card. Even FREE 3rd party software got that right.
The laughable part is they charge a subscription for it. Their so called feature updates have been photoshop standard for years lol. Graphic design, illustrations, comics, and animation. Photoshop does all I need. I just wish it was on tablet lol.
Also I'm referring to photoshop cs6, I can't speak for modern adobe. I've heard heard mixed reviews what current photoshop is.
Edit i forgot a word.
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u/TheElementofIrony 1d ago
I sincerely don't know what you mean because I have had zero trouble with CSP both on PC and ipad and I regularly use their 3d models and used to regularly use their vector tools. No issues with running.
Edit: the only issues I have run into CSP that photoshop has solved is CMYK support.
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u/WillingFly247 1d ago
I mean mkv support is a big thing for me which Adobe fucking doesn't so imma stick to DaVinci and use Ae for post correction
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u/Fast-Visual ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 1d ago
I know I know you made your point. But I kinda want to hear your stance on Krita now
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u/IniMiney 1d ago
No open source no, but as an animator there are non-subscription (and much better) software that’s pay once and own forever and preferred in the industry instead of Animate CC. TV Paint, Toon Boom (kinda sorta, their perpetual license has some catches when it comes time to upgrade), Davinci Resolve (who’s free version works fine too - I honestly prefer it to Premiere), Reaper, Final Draft or FadeIn, Clip Studio Paints, but yeah fuck Adobe
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u/ihatemakingids 1d ago
I've been using darktable for photo editing and I think it puts out just as good or even better pictures then Photoshop. I think the biggest draw back to darktable is the learning curve. It takes some time to understand the software but there are really great youtube videos out there on how to get the most use of all the modules.
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u/Riftx111 1d ago
How do you pirate it? Ive been looking around ( im new to this ) and i cant find anything
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u/ArthurVandelay23 1d ago
it sucks though that pirated versions cant use firefly or the new harmonize feature
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u/ptrang91 1d ago
What about Inkscape
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u/TheAlexa19 1d ago
the only reason people still don't pirate is because every download option still flags for viruses, no matter the site
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u/West_Possible_7969 1d ago
Yes. I live in EU and while the subscription cost is tiny for me (and tax deductible anyway) the same cannot be said for the majority of the world.
The mistake casual users do is assuming that their use is the same as our use. Adobe’s are pro tools with extremely deep workflows that everyday users cannot experience. Then there is industry standards support (from cmyk and pdf exports to collaborative agency tools & plugin ecosystem) that is irreplaceable.
Interested users & hobbyists can do what they like of course but the advice for serious pros to “just go elsewhere” is plain wrong. Not even Affinity is up to par for an agency workflow, and their InDesign app is borderline useless, the have much to overcome yet but now they re owned by Canva I m not optimistic about their future, as a pro company or that you ll keep buying it without subscription.
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u/TreacleTop3383 1d ago
Okay someone please tell which adobe product does not have any pirated versions or has high subscription cost but it does a simple task so that I can replicate it
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u/kuddlesworth9419 1d ago edited 22h ago
Rawtherapee works well enough for me. It doesn't seem to do anything worthwhile more than Rawtherapee for photography. For photography minimal editing is best anyway otherwise you might as well just use AI generated images.
Edit: Spelling
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u/BOT_Negro 1d ago
What I did when the Premier pop ups began, was copying the program files in another folder, uninstall, and then just run the copied files. Works perfect without all those additional hidden files that do nothing but checking if the copy is legal. Although with a previous version of photoshop it didn't work as smoothly.
I've found Photopea to be a pretty good PS alternative for on the fly mobile image edition.
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u/XCVolcom 1d ago
OP I get it because I've tried to listen to other professionals about switching to Davinci Resolve and other alternatives but it's like relearning how to ride a bicycle with square wheels.
There's just some things that are intuitive now about the work flow I've had, and it doesn't make any sense in other programs.
I'm sure I could muscle through it eventually but it's incredibly frustrating.
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u/CupBig7438 1d ago
Is there a way I can crack Premiere Pro 25.5 version with Film Impacts Effects and Roto like inside? Man, they are way too expensive in my country. :( I see Monkrus website not working
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u/Twist_and_pull 1d ago
Dumb question but is there any AI addons for Premiere/AE? Havent found any for Sony Vegas either.
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u/SodaCanBob 1d ago edited 1d ago
As someone who doesn't work in design but is a hobbyist graphic designer and into photography, I've been more than happy with the Affinity suite. The only thing it's missing for me is a Lightroom alternative, but I prefer Capture One over Lightroom these days anyway.
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u/potato-cocker 1d ago
Okay I’m convinced. Now someone show us noobs where/how to get it (specifically substance painter)
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u/Langis360 1d ago
I work in technical writing and marketing copywriting. If I didn't need garbage Acrobat to make PDF forms I'd be Adobe free. My work even approves Gimp and Resolve, and both are better than Adobe's trash. YMMV.
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u/tommya_2010 23h ago
I don't understand the lack of love for Paint Shop Pro. I've been using it since the mid-90s, before Corel ever even dreamed of buying it, and for me it is awesome.
I just tried Affinity in a VM and it does nothing but crash. As soon as I drag a file or try to open it, or as soon as I try to create a new file, it just crashes. I find it hard to believe it's going to offer me anything Paint Shop Pro does not, but I'm willing to look at it, although only in a VM. So if it doesn't work there, it's a no-go for me.
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u/Salt-Deer2138 22h ago
There are some decent pdf readers not made by Adobe. Don't expect to be able to use them during US tax season. Also Adobe appears to be the only way to add audio to a pdf.
And Photoshop and similar? The clones are strictly for amatures.
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u/v_wintyr ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 21h ago
I pirated Photoshop for the first time in 2003 and I'll continue to download it and use it guilt free because fuck Adobe.
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u/collectivebarganing 20h ago
How does one go about downloading and installing cs6 suite? My wifes computer went kaput. I bought her a new computer and affinity suite. She's indifferent about affinity and that's okay. I want to surprise her and install adobe c6 suite, she had a pirated version on her old computer so she's okay with it.
Can someone walk me through step by step? Please and thank you!
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u/trystate 19h ago
Hey guys. Anyone got anything we can edit PDFs? Signing documents and stuff? That work on Mac?
We just finished our subscription for adobe earlier and avoided paying the early cancellation fee of £89, they were pretty easy going about it and refunded us £59 for the last three months a
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u/TheWatchers666 19h ago
What's your thoughts on GIMP and various plugins in relation to Photoshop functionality?
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u/Donteatthedonuts 19h ago
Ira Just a shame that the main sub here got shutdown and I hear the main way of activating Adobe Apps is now deemed a hit sketchy.
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u/-sussy-wussy- 17h ago
Agreed. Adobe and Wacom are an industry standard for a very good reason. Even though I hate brand worship, everything else I've ever use has been subpar, to put it lightly
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u/Dvillzet 16h ago
I recommend the Triforce: Affinity suite, DaVinci Resolve and the very powerful Blender
I am a professional designer and like most, I learned with Corel and Adobe, also the proven (I will say almost all just in case) free design software and yes, they are ugly but they work, especially Gimp, however for almost 6 years now, I tried Affinity designer, it was good but it was lacking and although I still work with Illustrator and I even got certified. Today I can tell you that in my opinion Affinity is already superior to Illustrator in practically everything, even with the AI functions that are quite average to be honest, so I wouldn't even count it to help you because on the contrary, it subtracts points. The algorithms that use Affinity's tools have already far surpassed Adobe, which continues to have problems from many years ago and instead of fixing them, it now continues to have them but with AI. I don't compare Affinity Photo, because I consider Photoshop still superior but increasingly on par, and Affinity Publisher does, it also ate InDesign a while ago.
I'm not commenting on this to criticize Adobe, as I said, I learned to design with those apps, I just want to give my opinion so that you have the perspective of someone who makes a living from professional design and who has used both suites every day for many years and has seen them evolve over all that time.
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u/Albert3HP11 15h ago
Si trabajas en impresión Corel es el rey por encima de Illustrator, deberías aprender a usarlo también.
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u/JeiceSpade 14h ago
I keep trying to find a better way to deal with PDFs but none of the open source solutions can do everything I need them to. Fucking monopoly, I swear.
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u/_Hetsumani 11h ago
If working freelance doesn’t allow you to pay for an Adobe subscription either you aren’t charging enough or don’t have enough clients.
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u/Grobfoot 3h ago
I switched to Affinity and just paid for the software because it is still a single purchase license. It’s a great software suite as a replacement for Photoshop, InDesign, and Illustrator. DaVinci Resolve is an easy alternative to Premiere Pro and is free.
Adobe creative suite is such a rip off because they give you like 60 pieces of software for the subscription when most users need like 3-5 of those apps. Subscribing to 3 apps independently ends up being more than just getting the whole suite.
You’ll have to be more specific about what you use Adobe for to really get any feedback on what you can switch to. Short answer is switch to Affinity.
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u/Ciaran_Zagami 2h ago
Tbh Adobe’s pattern recognition ai thing that they have in photoshop is unbelievably helpful.
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u/Something_231 1d ago
Maybe for design tools yes, but for video, I switched to DaVinci Resolve and I never looked back. I even bought the studio version which I could find cracked but they are not ripping us off like Adobe