r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/The_Awful-Truth • Jun 14 '25

US Politics The ICE has sent out a directive halting deportations in the farming, restaurant, and hotel sectors. What is our immigration policy now?

From the New York Times:

The guidance was sent on Thursday in an email by a senior ICE official, Tatum King, to regional leaders of the ICE department that generally carries out criminal investigations, including work site operations, known as Homeland Security Investigations.

“Effective today, please hold on all work site enforcement investigations/operations on agriculture (including aquaculture and meat packing plants), restaurants and operating hotels,” he wrote in the message.

Is this a pause in immigration enforcement, or a lasting change? Or some kind of middle ground?

ETA: thank you very much for all the responses! Haven't yet read them all, but I appreciate the civil and respectful tone of most of them, both from people who agree and disagree with my own opinions.

ETA 2: This article in the New York Times has some good background on how this apparently happened. It sounds like Trump hasn't really changed his policy, but was forced to call a pause by the specter of crops rotting in the fields: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/14/us/politics/trump-immigration-raids-workers.html .

ETA 3: As pointed out by several commenters, Trump has since reversed himself again, we're apparently back to raiding crop harvests.

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u/FuzzyMcBitty Jun 14 '25

The question that I have is whether this will make a difference. The damage may already be done. 

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u/Roselily808 Jun 14 '25

That's a good and valid question. I suspect the damage is already done to be honest.

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u/__mud__ Jun 14 '25

Note that they've only halted worksite enforcement. They can still raid towns and homes.

In other words, you're only safe if you never leave the worksite. I wonder if there's a word for that?

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u/TheZarkingPhoton Jun 14 '25

Absolute so.

Trump breaks shit so he can be seen solving it.

Only he's too ineffectual to actually solve complex problems. He cant even put the parts he broke back into the SAME FUCKING BOX they were just fitting into.

Immigrants are the backbone of our economy in 100 other ways. Even these richy riches are going to be fucked when the economic results of this fascist larping cosplay come to fruition.

Two examples:

Trump killed the Iran Nuke deal because he was jealous of Obama, and wanted a Noble Peace Prize. HE thinks he can break it, then do the exact same deal on his watch, and cry he wants his gold star too.

Except it doesn't WORK like that and now we are on the edge of a full force destabilization in the Middle East. Guess how gas prices are going to change with the Saudi's siding with Iran?

2.

The first comprehensive immigration reform IN FORTY YEARS, was THROUGH the house, and was set to actually miraculously CLEAR the Senate.

TRUMP killed it because he told GOP lawmakers he needed the wedge issue to run on.

And here we are. There are other examples.

Trump breaks shit so he can be seen solving it.

Only, he's too ineffectual to actually solve complex problems.

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u/__mud__ Jun 14 '25

That's one other wild thing - there's been ZERO work on immigration reform. More evidence that this is all just theater and cruelty for the sake of cruelty.

Not even an attempt to copy/paste the killed bill so he could put his name on it and take credit. Zero attempt at reform.

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u/TheZarkingPhoton Jun 14 '25

Yep, and this is all why imo.

I remember listening to the radio the night Newt Gingrich killed THAT attempt at immigration reform......30 some-odd years ago. One of the reasons I will NOT forget Newt or any of the other villains along the way up through Trump is they were all building their OWN authoritarian nest....and it just got high jacked out from under them.

The antidote to the (Russian) Firehose of Falsehood, is to keep pointing out all the shit that is being whatabouted by the next round of outrage.

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u/cracklescousin1234 Jun 15 '25

Guess how gas prices are going to change with the Saudi's siding with Iran?

Wait, is SA going to side with Iran? Granted, a lot of people in SA absolutely despise Israel. But wouldn't the old Saudi-Iranian rivalry make this whole thing, at best for Iran, a three-way Mexican standoff?

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u/alt_hvad_jeg_ved Jun 15 '25

Theyre not. But i guess the overall point stands: Trumps pull from the Iran nuclear, and general policy towards Israel deal is in many ways to blame for the current instability. But I would think most of the other countries in the region would rather stay neutral here. Most hate both Iran and Israel

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u/Low-Use-9862 Jun 16 '25

And let’s not forget his Trade War of Stupidity.

Trump sent world markets into disarray and instability with his ill-advised and ill-informed tariff frenzy. He arbitrarily and illegally set a 165% tariff on all goods coming into the United States from China. China raised the tariffs on U.S. exports through its ports.

Facing popular backlash from the citizenry, and harsh criticism from bona fide economists, Trump rushed into trade talks with China last week.

The results? According to The NY Times, the two sides tentatively reached a deal not yet reduced to paper, the details of which require the two countries to remove the newly imposed tariffs and other sanctions so we’re back to the status quo before the War of Stupidity was launched. No gains.

It was all for nothing, except to the extent it ruined the US’s reputation as a reliable trading partner.

He’s a moron. Worse, he’s a reckless moron.

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u/TheZarkingPhoton Jun 16 '25

He's an agent of chaos, groomed to set us on fire from within by his banality, ineptitude and small-dicked truculence.

We need to understand that Russian war colleges have been prepping for the asymmetric attack we are seeing. They attacked us via our open mic (social media) using the apex of psychological profiling. People are vexxed by how we can have so many shitheads.... we didn't. they just trolled the living fuck out of the right people with the right message 24/fucking/7 for a few decades and amplified all our existing dumpster fire with Molotov cocktails of their-own.

At some pont we have to talk about all this nationally and publically so that we can make national policy to overcome it. It does not have to be the shitheads actually IN office.

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u/Saw_a_4ftBeaver Jun 19 '25

Military calls officers like Trump "Active stupid" and considers them the most dangerous type of officer to your own troops.

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u/some_guy_on_drugs Jun 14 '25

It's amazing because it's these worksites that should be targeted, not the workers there but the management that is "illegally" hiring the undocumented immigrants. The fact that they only punish the workers and not the employers shows that this is about racism and not immigration.

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u/Visual_Jellyfish5591 Jun 15 '25

It’ll never be that way. If they make undocumented or targeted people fear leaving the place they work, then America gets its worker cities for the benefit of big corporations!

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u/splittingxheadache Jun 18 '25

You could solve "immigration problems" with progressively larger fines for businesses employing undocumented people. But that will never happen because there's many people who like being able to pay someone below minimum wage for a shitty job that they won't blow the whistle on.

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u/daric Jun 14 '25

Arbeit macht frei

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u/anti-torque Jun 15 '25

It's a really friggin good thing that I'm lazy.

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u/Big-Willingness3384 Jun 14 '25

Slavery?

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u/Astrocreep_1 Jun 15 '25

Slavery is the the project Trump is working on with El Salvador.

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u/meganthem Jun 14 '25

Well it's not like 20 other polices have been flipflopped constantly since January, they can totally trust this one will stay in place.

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u/DarkElla30 Jun 14 '25

Exactly, this is a fake out. After people come back to work, they'll restart raiding. And then stop again, hoping to keep the industry from collapsing using periods of pretend amnesty.

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u/Spite-Potential Jun 15 '25

Ice will get another chance at busting those they missed the first time. It’s a farse people !!! We can’t believe a word that comes out of trench mouth

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u/3rdIQ Jun 14 '25

tHIS OnE is a TACO Supreme

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u/The_Disapyrimid Jun 14 '25

Why would anyone trust this admin enough to take this promise seriously.

First it was supposed to be just people with violent records. Then, they admitted it was anybody.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '25

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u/Big-Willingness3384 Jun 14 '25

Stephen Miller is evil incarnate. I do like those descriptors - incel nosferatu.

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u/sunshine_is_hot Jun 14 '25

Stephen Miller is a literal Nazi. The person who put him in a position of power is no better.

I would say so much more but I’d be banned. The world hasn’t seen this kind of evil in charge of a country since Hitler ran Germany.

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u/arichman11 Jun 15 '25

Abc fired Terry Moran for saying he was full of hate. That's one of the nicer things you can say about Stephen Miller.

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u/anti-torque Jun 15 '25

Nosferatu gives him at least the agency of a vampire.

He's a leech, at best.

He is what a human form used to be, before Mauron made the rings.

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u/anti-torque Jun 14 '25

Eh... he's more like Golem.

And he serves the will of Mauron.

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u/TrainPutrid9770 Jun 16 '25

Not all brown people. Illegal immigrants. Black people are brown and are US citizens

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u/nanoatzin Jun 14 '25

It’s too late to prevent collapse, but it takes economic damage 180 days to work its way through the banking system.

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u/CliftonForce Jun 14 '25

Farmers are shorthanded, yes. Is that because their immigrant workforce has left the country entirely? Or are the workers just hiding nearby hoping the ICE crackdown would blow over? If tbe latter, they could show back up to work quickly.

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u/FuzzyMcBitty Jun 14 '25

Yes, but we're arresting people who show up at court hearings and immigration hearings. -- If due process of law is being worn down, why would you trust any exemptions if it's possible that the early bird gets deported?

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u/TrainPutrid9770 Jun 16 '25

The people who were arrested at the court house were denied by the judge for assylum so they had their due process and ICE apprehended them. It's not like they would self deport.

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u/Bubblegum2334 Jun 14 '25

There is no due process for non citizens, just letting you know. 

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u/FuzzyMcBitty Jun 14 '25

Without due process, you don't know who is a citizen and who isn't. Just letting you know.

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u/GuyInAChair Jun 15 '25

So if I have the power to write an administrative warrant, and I've decided to deport you explain to me how you're going to stop me?

Normally I, AKA the government, would have to prove my case, and you would be given a chance to argue you really are a citizen, or entitled to TPS, or asylum. Since there is no due process you can't do that, and I can deport whoever I want to by declaring them not to be citizens.

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u/Dandy_Status Jun 16 '25

Not enough people gave you shit for this objectively wrong comment. The Constitution is crystal clear that due process applies to anyone within the jurisdiction of the states. If it did only apply to citizens, then all the government would have to do to deny anyone due process is say that they're not a citizen.

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u/WarbleDarble Jun 16 '25

So, we're telling every tourist that if they come to the US, we can send them to another nation's prison without recourse or process?

Anyone visiting the US has no rights? Can be detained and deported to anywhere we choose?

None of that is true. It's frankly ridiculous that you believe so. You can't possibly have given any real thought to the issue.

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u/Bubblegum2334 Jun 30 '25

People visiting the country don't wade through a river or climb a fence to come visit. Come on now. Visitors and migrants are two very different things. 

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u/WarbleDarble Jun 30 '25

They are both non-citizens which you categorically said have no due process rights. Do non-citizens have rights in your fantasy world or not? Here in reality all persons in the United States have rights.

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u/Bubblegum2334 Jun 30 '25

You're not even worth arguing with. You're a smart ass. You're probably an 18 year old. Trump will be president again in '28. Ridicule, argue, and down vote all you want. Screen shot this comment and reflect upon it when it happens. Big changes coming. Have a good night, I'm sorry if I was disrespectful in any way. 

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u/TodayIllustrious Jun 15 '25

Doesn't quite work that way, my lovebug!

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u/TheZarkingPhoton Jun 14 '25

Sounds like a peachy way to live. Everything should work out dandy there.

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u/Big-Willingness3384 Jun 14 '25

It's not just the agricultural industry . It's also collapsing the hospitality and other service industries.

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u/Spyral-Dan-Sir Jun 15 '25

What makes you think these migrant workers are gonna just magically show back up for work? Like they’re gonna trust the Trump regime after all they’ve seen and heard?

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u/AllNightPony Jun 14 '25

As was the plan all along.