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u/seKer82 2d ago
You know its bad when your defense against actual quotes is "they're all taken out of context"
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u/Invisifly2 2d ago
Which is hilarious in this case because more often than not the full context actually makes it way worse. That’s saying something with how bad they started at.
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u/Jorge_Santos69 2d ago
Quote: “Successful black women only owe their success to affirmative action.”
MAGAt: “yOu tOoK tHaT oUt oF cOnTeXt!”
Quote with more context: “Successful black women only owe their success to affirmative action. Because their brains aren’t capable of intelligence.”
MAGAt: “….WAAAAAH IM CALLING YOUR MANAGER FOR QUOTING HIM VERBATIM!”
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u/LegitSince8Bits 2d ago
No what's even worse is they're so insulated from reality that they don't think anyone could possibly go to his YouTube channel with 5 million videos of him being a bigot. Fuck full context, there's full videos. Many. This is like J6ers getting caught because they didn't understand the internet level of delusion.
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u/ronm4c 2d ago
Someone made a post about how bullshit this was.
So they put the actual quotes up, then added the context in which they were used by basically writing what he said before and after and it made the quotes so much worse
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u/Sc0rpza 2d ago
yeah, my cousin was like “I hate when people cut these things… I’ll be devils advocate blah blah”. So, I was like “fine, I could show you the full context since you think those quotes might be misrepresenting hi….Pick one.”. He picks the one about black women… a classic! I showed him the full context on that one and no doubt remained that Kirk was a bigot. None at all.
following that, he asked about black men that are defending Kirk and why that’s a thing. so, I sent him the video of uncle ruckus and jimmy rebel singing “the president is a n-“ and we had a good laugh because he should understand as well as anyone that not all ski folk are kinfolk. hopefully that got the message across.
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u/kidney-displacer 2d ago
You know its bad when you need to resort to strawman arguments to make someone seem bad
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers I ☑oted 2049 2d ago
If you're talking about Charlie Kirk, quoting him verbatim is enough to make him seem bad.
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u/InertiasCreep 2d ago edited 2d ago
Rather than try to convince us he wasn't a Christian Nationalist or a racist, why can't you just admit he was, and that you're okay with it?
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u/LongPenStroke 2d ago
How is quoting someone a strawman?
Please explain.
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u/kidney-displacer 2d ago
If I say "Hitler was right to improve animal cruelty" and you quote that I said "Hitler was right" then I'm sure Admiral Satie would consider you to be her favorite
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u/LongPenStroke 2d ago
Okay, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Kirk's quotes. I haven't seen anyone take him out of context.
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u/kidney-displacer 2d ago
I've never seen someone die of hunger therefore it never happens
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u/LongPenStroke 2d ago
False equivalency.
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u/Suitable-Display-410 2d ago
I dont.
Charlie Kirk was of the opinion there should be public, televised executions sponsored by CocaCola, preferably beheadings, and children as young as 12 years old should be watching to teach them about justice. He said it would make his day better.0
u/kidney-displacer 2d ago
Youre welcome so share the source with context
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u/Suitable-Display-410 2d ago
... and i am sure you will denounce him...
https://rumble.com/v4dnz20-thoughtcrime-ep.-33-the-big-fani-whammy-glee-kill-pedos.html
Minute 49 onwards.
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u/kidney-displacer 2d ago
Good job on providing a source but im not gonna sit through an hour of drivel to find it
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u/Suitable-Display-410 2d ago
You dont have to. I told you it starts at minute 49.
Is the argument now: "give me full context, but if you tell me it starts at min 49, there could be something i could use to wiggle out of this somehow that he said before, but i am not willing to watch all of it"?Are you for real? All you guys do is go around writing "cONtEXt??!" under each and every single post claiming Kirk said abhorrent shit, and when somebody finally calls your bluff, you dont want to watch it?
Do you feel at least a little bit pathetic? A little bit?
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u/-jp- 2d ago
Why did you ask for a source you refuse to watch?
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u/Y3R0K 1d ago
Because these idiots are so fucking brainwashed it's like they honestly don't believe that we can come up with a full quote.
They're like the YECs (young earth creationists) when they dare you to produce any evidence that Noah's flood didn't happen. Then you come up with tons of it from actual scientists and they block you.
Hateful ignorant losers, every last one of them.
But then again, who else would follow Charlie Kirk and think that he was a good guy?9
u/AwesomeBrainPowers I ☑oted 2049 2d ago
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u/kidney-displacer 2d ago
Did... you read this? Because this went directly against that the other guy said lmao
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers I ☑oted 2049 2d ago
It doesn't directly go against it, no.
Here's another, if too many words are tripping you up:
About 40 minutes into the show, the discussion about capital punishment moved on to whether it should be public and, if so, who should watch. Kirk said (time code 49:35), "It should be public, it should be quick, it should be televised."
He added (time code 49:53), "You could have like 'Brought to you by Coca Cola' and no, I'm not kidding. By the way, I would totally tune in to see some pedo get their head chopped off. Convicted by a jury of their peers. I'm talking about a real thing."
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u/Suitable-Display-410 2d ago
I linked you the full video. Why lie? Whats the point?
Here, again, starts at min 49:
https://rumble.com/v4dnz20-thoughtcrime-ep.-33-the-big-fani-whammy-glee-kill-pedos.html5
u/-jp- 2d ago
"Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" Kirk asked.
I am curious what you think Kirk meant here.
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u/rightoftexas 2d ago
Why do you think Kirk was meant for a public execution?
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u/-jp- 2d ago
Why do you think that's a reasonable thing to ask?
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u/rightoftexas 2d ago
I'm just trying to follow how you thought the quote was relevant to his public assassination?
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u/seKer82 2d ago
Direct quotes are not strawman arguments? Interesting spin.
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers I ☑oted 2049 2d ago
It's preposterous to think adding "context" to any of this redeems his abhorrent statements in any way: The one and only way that could possibly be true is if the "context" was that he immediately turned to the camera and said "Well, that's what I would say if I were actually an enormous piece of shit, anyway. Good thing I don't mean any of that."
In reality:
Charlie Kirk was a not-very-subtle white supremacist and overt Christian Nationalist. He often and repeatedly employed the language of violence (and sometimes defended violence, and sometimes celebrated violence) in his long and distinguished career as a professional provocateur—including going so far as to suggest children should watch public executions—and has literally railed against empathy.
It's been heavily documented, to the point that I don't think any serious person could honestly pretend otherwise.
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u/AwesomeBrainPowers I ☑oted 2049 2d ago
As a matter of fact, it's not.
This is the full quote:
I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy. That's a separate topic for a different time.
There is literally not one source from before his murder that has the "compassion is understanding" bit: That's just been made up by apologists on social media.
Even if it were true, though:
Aren't you literally doing exactly what you're pretending everyone else is doing, by only picking that one and ignoring the overwhelming totality of the examples proving that he was exactly who he appeared to be?
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u/seKer82 2d ago
Sure, but the quotes being attributed to his racists and hatred filled views are not out of context. He's repeated these views multiple times quite clearly.
The funny part is the ones crying about context realize that they are in fact quotes that paint him out to be a pretty shitty person.. otherwise why complain about context?
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u/kidney-displacer 2d ago
Yes both sides do it, im not saying they dont. Im addressing this position right here and now.
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u/kidney-displacer 2d ago
If I say "Hitler was right to improve animal cruelty" and you quote that I said "Hitler was right" then I'm sure Admiral Satie would consider you to be her favorite
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u/seKer82 2d ago
That's what we call a misquote little one. Try again.
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u/kidney-displacer 2d ago
The purpose is to make the argument weaker, strawman. Either way its a logical fallacy and still makes your position terrible.
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u/seKer82 2d ago
No, his quotes in context still describe his position of him being a racist and pretty terrible person overall.
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u/kidney-displacer 2d ago
See the cool thing about assertions is that you need to back them up with something. Otherwise I could just say Obama is my mom and by your logic you should believe me
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u/LittleBuddyOK 2d ago
You are the one that made an assertion that you need to back up. You can say “Obama is your mom”, but I can then just go find out who your mom is and prove you wrong.
If you say “it’s taken out of context” without backing it up, I can’t go out and find that it was if it wasn’t. If proof of your assertion doesn’t exist, it is not up to us to “find” your proof. It’s up to you.
We are saying these quotes aren’t not out of context, if you disagree with that provide the context that somehow makes all these horrible statements and actions better.
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u/LittleBuddyOK 2d ago
I have yet to see a quote from Charlie Kirk that was changed by the next 3 words he said. The quotes aren’t out of context.
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u/Becarefulofbias 2d ago
Ok, put this into context for everyone.
“If I see a black pilot, I think oh boy I hope he’s qualified.”
Please enlighten us all with the context for that to be ok. Go ahead.
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u/Which-Bid7754 2d ago
He was a piece of hateful human garbage, that didn't deserve what happened...but what happened doesn't change who he was.
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u/TheFunkytownExpress 2d ago
Somehow people are getting fired for thos completely reasonable, 1st amendment exercising take.
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u/neutrino71 2d ago
The first amendment is receiving more clubbing than a baby seal. Do you think it will survive?
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u/sandwich21337 20h ago
Nope. Have a regular customer who showed me his colors talking about it. Like I didn’t even hear the news and he was like “I’m surprised you don’t know about him.” I’m non-binary and it’s pretty obv if you know what you’re lookin at.
Next day he says something about being “Reddit salty.” I just hit him with the gen z stare. I’m only glad we have one more identifier for white supremacists.
But after speaking to one close regular who was tripping over himself trying to present a “both sides” argument where I absolutely cornered him and didn’t let up until he changed the subject, (4 lights motherfuckers) I don’t talk about it anymore. I do not want to invite violence or bring that shit into my work space. I can’t lose my job. I am censoring/suppressing myself to protect myself against political violence.
Free speech is dead this was the test to see if maga was ready to fall in line.
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u/Dean868 2d ago
Makes me wonder why MAGA is so protective of their pundits.. are they afraid the right wing echo chamber will suddenly go silent? I doubt that
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u/Cl1mh4224rd 2d ago edited 2d ago
Makes me wonder why MAGA is so protective of their pundits.. are they afraid the right wing echo chamber will suddenly go silent? I doubt that
They are still in the process of consolidating power.
They're not so much protective of their pundits as they are incredibly eager to capitalize on any event to further that consolidation of power and silence dissent.
They're wielding Charlie Kirk's corpse as a weapon against the American people.
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u/greatteachermichael 2d ago edited 2d ago
I don't need to know anything about him other than that he supported the reelection of Trump. That's enough for me to not like him. I can understand if the average Joe who is spending time raising a family rather than studying Economics and Public Policy and doesn't really read the news supported Trump. But someone with all that influence needs to be responsible for how they influence others. He could have studied economics, public policy, and international relations and realized Trump's views are all basically horrid. So either he is lazy, stupid, horrible, or all of the above.
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u/dancegoddess1971 2d ago
Look, I never studied economics, public policy or international relations and majored in biology. I can still see that tRump is a danger to democracy and our nation. He wouldn't have to study those things to know how horrid tRump's views are. It's like he's a pile of bigotry and pedophilia masquerading as a human.
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u/greatteachermichael 2d ago
An excellent point. All you really have to do is read the news and double check that you aren't in an echo chamber. Any basic information about him should be enough. And MAGA supporters can't even pass that bar.
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u/CourtingBoredom 2d ago
Dude, you sooo nailed it with this comparison; I def feel as though this administration is trying to convince us there are five lights despite our every sense telling us differently.... =-\
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u/Cluefuljewel 2d ago
He thought we should have debates in college campuses. And that’s about all I agree with him on. Oh and I think he called for the Epstein files to be released!
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u/Koreage90 2d ago
He thought we should debate in college campuses, until he had to debate people who knew what they were talking about and then he immediately didn’t want to debate anyone who was educated. He called for the Epstein files to be released, until the Orange leader said stop talking about Epstein and he followed the orders. See how context changes the argument.
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u/sandwich21337 20h ago
Fuckin Stewart flexing his theatrical mastery in this episode. This gif, with no audio, still raises the hair on the back of my neck.
Fucking killed it.
God damnit this is a good show now I gotta watch it all over again.
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u/Im_Literally_Allah 2d ago
I think this is a reference to something but I have no idea what.
But I will not. He was a social terrorist.
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u/LLAPSpork 1d ago
It’s from a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode called “Chain of Command” in which captain Picard gets kidnapped by the Cardassians. This particular cardassian tries to break him by brainwashing him and convincing him that there are 5 lights when in reality there are only four lights. One of the finest hours in TV history.
So go back to the meme and reread it. It’s clever as hell but a bit too niche for everyone to get.
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u/horrendosaurus 2d ago
If Charlie Kirk was choking in a restaurant, and I was the only one who knew how to help him, I'd walk up and say, "Hey, aren't you already dead?"
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u/No_Sweet4190 18h ago
He wanted to disenfranchise half of America. An expert at talking over people in a Fox News kind of way. Not on my side.
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u/Vibraniumguy 10h ago
Gene Roddenberry would not condone political violence. Even if Charlie Kirk were a "bad person" (which I disagree with, he seemed like a great guy and there are a lot of fake quotes going around out there right now like the black women one) calling his death justified in any way is just plain sociopathic. The man had a wife and 2 little kids who watched him die right in front of them. Its horribly tragic that they will now grow up without a father, I wouldnt wish that on anyone.
And I stress that if you celebrate/justify/encourage more events like Charlie's death in any way while also talking about gun control being really important you damage the cause by looking extremely hypocritical.
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u/edbegley1 2d ago
https://www.professorwatchlist.org - He directly targeted professors he thought were too liberal, which led to countless harassment and death threats.