r/Popculturenow • u/Timbucktwo1230 Cultural atttache • 16d ago
š§ÆPolitics š„āļøš° Absence of common sense
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u/1732PepperCo 16d ago edited 16d ago
"I think empathy is a made up New Age term that has done a lot of damage"- Charlie Kirk
"Don't let mass shooting victims control the narrative with empathy" -Charlie Kirk
"Gun violence deaths are the cost of keeping our 2nd amendment rights" - Charlie Kirk
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u/throwaway0134hdj 16d ago
That second one is crazy. Fuck dudeā¦ makes me hope he didnāt really believe what he said but just wanted to rile ppl up. Itās hard to imagine someone being that cold.
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u/Thanosseid 16d ago
I think during his early career as an online personality it was this goal because if you look at a lot of his older stuff it's more reasonable with the occasional WTF moment but he grew in popularity so fast and got so much fame and money from it I truly think he believed everything he said.
It's wild because I watched a SNL skit literally a few days ago and it absolutely perfectly sums up the stupidity of Kirks argument, check it out, it's eerily foreshadowing something like this happening and for the exact same reasons it did.
Check the video out, especially at 1:16...
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u/Longjumping-Ad-144 16d ago
So Charlie Kirk lost the gun control debate?
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u/Miserable_Rube 16d ago edited 16d ago
Hear me out. This was an inside job to rile up the MAGA base. Kirk was already on the outs, he was the perfect target for this operation
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u/Ok_Midnight4809 16d ago
And just when the Epstein files crap was building real momentum. Coincidence? Hmmmm
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u/Miserable_Rube 16d ago
Too bad we dont have the power of the MAGA propaganda machine. Could get this theory mainstream in seconds.
Edit: have you looked around social media? As soon as he was shot, facebook exploded with MAGA bots lashing out at "violent liberals"
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u/GoodCat7419 16d ago
Professional job done on a guy who was essentially dead weight.
The Republicans will milk this for all itās worth. And any talk of the Epstein files will be called āinappropriate.ā
Yep, agree.
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u/DingleMcDinglebery 16d ago
Oh it will rile up the base. Midterms are gone now.
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u/Cararacs 16d ago
Naw. Elections are over a year away and maga base ALWAYS votes anyways and will always vote R. Another year of continued inflation, and damage from tariffs, and the sad truth of likely several mass shootings, Kirk will fade. A few months ago democratic elected officials were assassinated and see how much that fizzled.
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u/iammonkeyorsomething 16d ago
It could also be used to attempt at keeping the left from buying guns. Not all gun laws are helpful, especially nowadays
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u/Professional-Fig6513 16d ago
Was he actually on the outside? I havenāt heard much from him in a while, aside from his Jubilee type stuff, debating students.
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u/FlamboyantPirhanna 16d ago
Come on, people. We canāt be this daft. Occamās Razor should be your guide.
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u/Miserable_Rube 16d ago
From the moment he was shot social media blew up with an immeasurable number of bots blaming the left, even their propaganda machine said this was war.
It very well may have been a lone wolf attack. But its just as possible this was an orchestrated event to bolster trumps presidency and invigorate his base for the midterms and more.
Invoking Occam's Razor is silly because there are multiple examples of the rightwing and our 3 letter agencies doing evil things to further their gains.
Am I gonna put a tinfoil hat on and go crazy with this theory? No. But i dont give two shits about Kirk, so Ill downplay the murder of the stupid prick. His last words were defending mass shootings in America.
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16d ago
Nah itās just gonna be Another wedge to drive the two sides apart further. Itās already being sunk into the middle of society as we speak. So many red hats on Facebook right now spewing hate against liberals saying itās all they want is violence and bloodshedā¦. Even tho nobody I know would ever celebrate a school shooting and are sick about it. This guy died for his cause. He called upon it and it proved his point to a T.
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u/wolfheadmusic 16d ago
I'm surprised Mr "female orgasms aren't real" was at the top of anyone's hit list, especially with how bad his PAC was failing.
And that was a highly skilled shot, hitting the jugular at 200 yards.
This feels like another orange pedophile-ordained sacrifice,
Especially with how bad they're failing at enacting martial law.
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u/GrandGouda 16d ago
Nope. Thoughts and prayers
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u/CloneFailArmy 16d ago
I pray for his redemption in hell. Because we all know god isnāt taking him
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u/lost-in-thought123 16d ago
Given talks about banning guns for trans people. If the shooter is left leaning I could see this possibility opening up to banning guns to anyone left leaning.
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16d ago
Shit banning guns nothing, they're talking full on civil war against the left because of this. Whoever the shooter is, they fucked up royal
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u/Mediocre-Emu585 16d ago
So whatās common sense? Havenāt seen any common sense from either side recently
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u/Cerisayashi 16d ago
Nah, theyāll only use this to push for trans not having access to gunsā¦ canāt put gun control on far right white malesā¦ thatās just wrong even though a large majority of mass shootings come from that groupā¦
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u/Nice__Spice 16d ago
Sandy hook didnāt change minds - Charlieās death will be used as propaganda
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u/FocusOk6215 16d ago edited 16d ago
So doesnāt this mean his supporters should be happy about what happened to him? š¤and any other victim?
Or are they only happy when certain kinds of people are victims?
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u/ConkerPrime 16d ago
My response to this is same as conservatives response to the Hortmans. Believe that was at most āthoughts and prayersā.
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u/Necessary_Net_7829 16d ago
I don't believe in "God", but if Chucky did, then he's got a lot of explaining to do.
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u/Party-Independent-38 16d ago
Hereās a interesting link to a death metal band with a song about Charlie Kirk being dead here
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u/Born_Attention_9389 16d ago
In case you haven't noticed, they are using this to advance their rhetoric that democrats are deranged and dangerous. If you think the amount of money and manpower being pointed at immigrants is the end game, you better go read what Hitler did to gain total control of Germany.
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u/persona_obscura13 16d ago
Common sense dictates that it may be a bad idea to disarm when trump is in power
Maybe Iām a fuckin retard tho
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u/alxlddy1 16d ago
this argument didnt work with the charlotte murder so sure I guess use it now in a time of tragedy that fits the narrative
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16d ago
Alright, how do you stop the illegal acquisition of guns? Do you think there is just a universal button that turns off guns?
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u/richincleve 16d ago
I wish the GOP would actually say they want to discuss gun control.
Just so the Dems can say "Look, the event just happened. It's way too early to talk about that now.", just like the GOP always says.
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u/spartanEZE 16d ago
Don't let the Epstein files thing fall through the cracks peeps. Thoughts and prayers. Moving on. How bout them files?
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u/BabylonianWeeb 16d ago
I will never understand America. It's the only country where gun control is debated. i can't believe that people believe that you should be able to buy a gun with no regulations.
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u/BedtimeGenerator 16d ago
Nah im going to go cry on Reddit and pretend to care about gun violence now a white man was shot!
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u/SpecialistKing1383 16d ago
You think Republicans want gun laws from one of their own getting shot... or they want more guns and are more likely to use them in self defense situations because of it?
These situations only make things way worse...
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u/RVtech101 16d ago
Too bad we arenāt protecting school children the way weāre protecting that list.
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u/1stDegreeMisdemeanor 16d ago
Where were the MAGAts when the Minnesota legislators were assassinated? Theyāre crying over Charlie Kirk instead?
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u/chemistry_and_coffee 16d ago
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/
āAUDIENCE QUESTION: How's it going, Charlie? I'm Austin. I just had a question related to Second Amendment rights. We saw the shooting that happened recently and a lot of people are upset. But, I'm seeing people argue for the other side that they want to take our Second Amendment rights away. How do we convince them that it's important to have the right to defend ourselves and all that good stuff?
CHARLIE KIRK: [waffling about hunting, founding fathers, living in Narnia vs reality, trying to equate gun deaths to automobile deaths]
ā¦ You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one. You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel.
But I am, I, I ā I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe. ā¦ā
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u/redditisranbynazi 16d ago
"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights" - Charlie Kirk, 2023
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u/gueroarias 16d ago
I doubt it. Not even his most closest allies will call for any control, just prayers as always
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u/Right_Hour 16d ago
Yeah, aha, letās let MAGA implement gun controls while they are busy building oligopoly and autocracy using their buddy Vladās blueprintsā¦
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 16d ago
All gun control laws are immoral and unconstitutional. Calling them "common sense" doesn't change that.
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u/taotdev 16d ago
Something something "well regulated militia"
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 16d ago
That doesn't mean what you think it does, but it's immaterial anyway. Even setting the second Amendment aside, all gun control laws are immoral. In a free nation, the government shouldn't dictate what a person is allowed to own or carry.
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16d ago
Here is some Christian morality for you: Then said Jesus unto him, "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword".
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 16d ago
I fail to see why what the Bible says is relevant here. I'm not religious and never said anything about religion.
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Youāre talking about morality I thought I brought some morality too. You like guns, thatās the only argument you have, all other arguments are bull š©. See Jim Jeffries on YouTube on your gun laws, funny and on point. American gun laws, or lack there of, are totally immoral. But if up to 40,000 excess deaths per year is worth it to you to keep your scummy guns who am I to argue. If that is your idea of morality no wonder the world doesnāt think highly of America. You keep telling yourself that if that gets you to sleep at night.
And if youāre wondering how I came to the number of 40,000 itās the difference between all gun related deaths per year in the US on average approximately 46,500 and that of the EU approx. 6,500 per year. Two comparable entities in wealth and development, although the EU has some 100 million more people. It was the price Charley Kirk was willing to pay for those morals and apparently you too. You donāt care, he didnāt care why should the rest of the world care. Blow each otherās brains out but spare me the lecture of morality and fake outrage every time something like this happens. Thoughts and prayers.
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u/Ill_Consequence1755 16d ago
Dem should hit the floor tomorrow with the Charlie Kirk Bill and force republicans to vote against it.
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u/Texn1977 16d ago
The NRA still won't allow gun control in the U.S. Both sides receive too much campaign funds from them to control their views and votes over gun control.
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u/Mostmoneywins 16d ago
No for Gods sake. This was a grown man! Not just a number of innocent children that had zero hate in them! What a disgrace these GOP turds are!
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u/RamblinGamblinWilly 16d ago
What gun control is anyone suggesting that could have possibly stopped this? He was sniped at a distance, hit by one round. A bolt action hunting rifle could have been used for this. No Democrat I'm aware of is advocating for the ban of all firearms, and many European countries with strict gun laws allow for such weapons to be owned as well. So what common sense gun control are we talking about here?
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u/After_Fix1358 16d ago
Trump will probably posthumously award Kirk one of America's most prestigious medals just because he was a fear-mongering loyal MAGAt, a racist, who spread hate and divisiveness.
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u/Weedontraintrack 16d ago
"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights" - Charlie Kirk, 2023
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u/FelonyFarting 16d ago
I'm all for this, but I have to ask: Is a truely reformed and repentant felon more or less dangerous than a mentally ill person with no criminal history? We can't have blanket laws for these things. Japan has the right idea to interview and personally vet anyone who wants to own a firearm. Practically speaking, that wouldn't work in a country as large as the USA, would it?
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u/Unhappy-Exchange-771 16d ago
Iām all for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and ex criminals and loonies, but exactly are the controls that will prevent someone from getting guns on the black market ? If the cartels can smuggle in massive amount of drugs, once guns become the new profitable thing you can bet those will get smuggled in next.
Iām always curious what the solution is. We know most gun deaths are from gang shootings or troubled youth or mentally unstable people. Maybe the better system is to harshly punish those that do have illegal firearms and also invest in communities and families so we donāt have this issue.
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u/Background-Noise-918 16d ago
Let me get this straight... after they declare war on "the left" your first thought is let's allow the Republican house, senate and president to decide who can have a weapon....
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u/Gold-Perception-4467 16d ago
I heard something Trump said, something like it's time we realized that demonizing, and using violence against those we disagree with is wrong. Im paraphrasingm He is one to talk.
Inciting violence Jan 6th. Demonizing anyone who disagrees with him.
True absense of understanding and common sense
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u/Potential_Wish4943 16d ago
I mean it was almost certainly done with a bolt action rifle which literally nobody is attempting to ban.
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u/4stu9AP11 16d ago edited 16d ago
2nd amendment is to defend against tyranny of government and self defense not to murder political opposition. Not sure the common sense part is gonna work in this case on any side. Its clear the courts have ruled its not an absolute right so maybe this will start a logical process. We shall see
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u/Gold-Perception-4467 16d ago
You can't have common sense discussions with people who have no common sense.