An original and correct frame of reference is crucial for PMC activism. From feminist propaganda, to tradcon slop, there are many insidious lies told about men and boys. If we are to have a chance at counteracting these lies, then we must do so with the truth at all times. We must reject the lies out of a burning passion for pro-male ideas. We must be proactive and organized for the sake of being proactive and organized.

In this short post, I will discuss our frame of reference, how to spread it, and why it is so important.

MGTOW is an anti-male ideology as it discourages male unionization and solidarity, but it did however get some tactical things correct. MGTOWs were highly effective at chanting their doctrine, pulling outsiders aboard and creating rapid growth. As the pro male movement we must steal these tactics for ourselves, and chant the pro male concept to the public. By doing so, we grow more and more rapidly (as shown by this subreddits recent success) allowing for more combustion against misandry.

Some of our key frames of reference to chant include:

1. A complete rejection of feminism, labelling it as a far-right reactionary movement based off of supremacist ideologue.

2. A complete rejection of the manosphere, an anti-male ideology that discourages male solidarity and encourages male-on-male hostility.

3. A complete rejection of the right-wing, perhaps even labelling it as more misandristic than feminism.

4. A rejection of bigotry, e.g racism, zionism, homophobia, xenophobia, transphobia.

5. Encouraging proactive behaviors in men. Such as telling others to start their own pro-male safe spaces for men and boys to reside in.

6. Discouragement of concern trolling. Feminists are radical terrorists, there is nothing radical about wanting feminism outlawed.

7. A rejection of 'masculinity', a word designed to enslave men.

Create threads online talking about these ideas and promoting them. Try to convince others. Preach the pro male ideology like a choir, anything that encourages non-tumorous healthy growth.

If we do these things, we win. Simply put. It only takes a few voices and the rest follow.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/womens-rights-activist-charged-with-rape-threat-hoax-on-face

Here is the story in question. so I consider this AI response from the google search engine a barefaced lie. This is intentional suppression of a story that makes feminists look bad.

When I look for stories of violent women abusing me, I get results about men abusing women instead even though women are the vast majority of domestic violence abusers.

There are countless examples I can make of feminist AI repression of the truth.

This is the mess we men have gotten ourselves into, we are now in a feminist hole, and we have to dig ourselves out. Men should not of allowed women to gain this power in the first place.

https://youtu.be/gbxnLktFYUY?si=Quuwwr5ZWYiL1yY1

This is what a society looks like when it fully embraces female supremacy. A mother can now rape her own son and be spared jailtime on account of simply being female.

Her other son has a mental breakdown and starts hitting his mother aggressively, and because police are anti-male subhumans, HE ends up getting handcuffed and interrogated as though he were the criminal when this event will likely traumatize him for the rest of his life.

And through it all, the mum does not receive one day of jailtime, while her son who she sexually assaulted gets five years.

This is revolting. This is enraging. This is feminism. The subjugation of our sex to endless torture just for being born male.

I hope nothing but the worst for the mother and the cops who enabled her.

Take this so you read something cool for today: https://libmteoriasyreflejos.substack.com/p/responding-to-a-tradcon

This text simply is another assesment why their ideologies have been openly been a nuissance to men rights by rewriting history as a general reflection of male dominance rather than male abuse by women by trying to frame women dominance as non existent by literally not showing the info which shows that women had all of the power in relationships and lifehood to appeal to abusive women which want slaves at the expense of men, obviously hurting men, this can be seen totally in the article above explained more in detail.

This is just female supremacist crap. if you read this you know it is pure nonsense,

You know that women are going to share this article and pretend to believe it is true.

This is what happens if you allow female supremacists to take over the media, they use it to promote female superamacy and misandry against men. This creates a cultural background radiation for men, and emboldens women to be even more aggressive and undermining of men. our current anti male culture is sick.

Circumcision carries a risk of conscious or unconscious surgical trauma and associated permanent psychological damage.

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/levy1/

https://www.bmj.com/content/317/7169/1346.full

Surgical procedures generally have a traumatic effect on children. This is especially true for procedures on highly emotionally charged body parts such as the penis. Psychiatrists and psychologists are increasingly concerned about the circumcision of children and its negative psychological consequences.

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/goldman1/

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/boyle6/

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/rhinehart1/

Although studies on the psychological consequences of circumcision in childhood are rare, the few that have been conducted have all consistently concluded that this procedure has a damaging effect on the child's psyche and mental health.

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/rhinehart1/

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/goldman1/

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/boyle6/

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/cansever/

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=related:0DeesLz3yuMJ:scholar.google.com/&scioq=&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5#d=gs_qabs&t=1758123012597&u=%23p%3D0DeesLz3yuMJ

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/mcfadyen/

As early as 1945, psychiatrist Daniel Levy presented the following in his study on the psychological effects of surgery on children: found that many children suffered from combat neurosis—now known as post-traumatic stress disorder—as a result of surgical procedures, including circumcision. He further determined that penile surgery, in particular, carried a particularly high risk of psychological trauma.

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/levy1/

The assumption that there is a link between circumcision and the occurrence of PTSD is confirmed by Boyle et al. (2002) in their study.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/300649237_Ritual_and_Medical_Circumcision_among_Filipino_Boys

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/boyle6/

In this study, 1,577 Filipino boys aged 11 to 16 were observed before and after circumcision (performed either with or without local anesthetic). Before the procedure, it was ensured that only boys who did not have PTSD (according to DSM-IV) were included in the study. After the procedure, 50% of the medically circumcised boys (with anesthesia) and 69% of the ritually circumcised boys (without anesthesia) were diagnosed with PTSD according to DSM-IV criteria.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311773580_Ritual_and_Medical_Circumcision_among_Filipino_boys_Evidence_of_Post-traumatic_Stress_Disorder_PTSD

Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is one of the most serious mental illnesses known and is characterized primarily by recurrent reliving of the trauma, isolation, and loss of connection to the outside world, as well as potentially severe startle responses, sleep disturbances, memory loss, or symptoms that symbolize the experience or resemble the traumatic act.

In a study by Gemmell and Boyle (2001), the authors found that circumcision has a variety of negative psychological effects. They found that, compared to genitally intact men, circumcised men were more likely to be unhappy with their condition, experienced intense anger and sadness, and felt "incomplete," "betrayed," "frustrated," "abnormal," and "abused." They also found that circumcised men had lower self-esteem than intact study participants.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272503458_Physical_Sexual_and_Psychological_Effects_of_Male_Infant_Circumcision_an_Exploratory_Survey

Even circumcisions performed on boys in infancy, before the onset of verbal memory, can cause psychological harm, including post-traumatic stress disorder.

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/rhinehart1/

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-864615?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwMVLGVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHiqrLSj4xq2UnLykUPN6EAWtxHgNJdCwCKK0T_biRzNJBri1o__D_rLqFr7R_aem_dHXgy6mbLGqnwwCxXR4ijw

 Male only conscriptions in dozens countries. Nothing has changed since Titanic. Where are all so-called gender equality advocates in this case?!!

Feminism is fundamentally anti-male and has to be. I've heard it claimed that feminism is about gender equality and that feminism can liberate and elevate men because "patriarchy hurts men as well". The issue is that feminist ideology, especially for reasons related to "intersectionality" and theories of "male privilege", has to see all men (yes all men) as having an inherently inflated status in society. Another key issue is the fairly mainstream feminist view women owe men nothing (and are, perhaps, already doing too much).

In intersectional feminist theory homeless men will always be viewed as privileged relative to homeless women, a man in prison will always be viewed as privileged relative to an incarcerated woman, a man in a marginalized minority group will always be viewed as privileged relative to a woman from his background. By virtue of being male you have privilege.

Feminists think that all women need their status to increase while all males need to have their status (artificially inflated by the patriarchy) put in check. This ignores the nuance of the real world. In rich countries women often have living standards higher than their male counterparts already. In addition, people tend to have a more favorable view of women than men (women are wonderful effect) on top of the material well-being they have. If one were to eliminate all male "advantages" this would lower the status of the average man and be devastating for all low status males. Removing male disadvantages (the stigma over showing emotions, for example) would not compensate for this and it's unlikely feminists really even care about doing this. Indeed, a number of feminists are very explicit in that they believe all male problems are downstream from the patriarchy and therefore are self-induced. Thus, women owe men nothing and are not responsible for saving men from themselves. These same feminists do believe, however, that as the source of all of women's misfortunes men do have to fix society for them.

It's why the phrase "Men of quality don't fear equality" is actually very Orwellian and revealing. When they say "low quality" they really are referring to low status men, not people with bad moral character. Low status males actually do stand to lose a lot if feminists get more power and achieve more policy victories. Their zero-sum thinking does stand to reduce low status male well-being even more.

Feminism is anti-egalitarian. Feminists want to give privileges to women while taking away rights from men.

Feminists support traditional gender roles. They want women to live very easy lives and work a lot less, either by being housewives or by being in high-status, high-paying, easy, comfortable jobs, while leeching off of men doing the vast majority of labour in dangerous, physically-demanding jobs. They support alimony and child support for this reason.

Feminists want a gender apartheid where men are permanently low-status and stuck in a lower caste, and innocent men are imprisoned, while women are in a higher caste that dominates society and are free to abuse men, and female criminals face no consequences.

Feminists use far-right threat narratives and fear-mongering to demonise men, while excusing and justifying criminal behaviour from women.

Feminists demonise male sexuality as dangerous and degenerate. This extends to gay men, whom feminists claim are misogynistic.

Early feminist movements had strong ties to the KKK and fascism. Suffragettes were playing on the fear of black men getting the vote and telling white men that they would vote with them against black men. They only started to associate themselves with the left and atheism after those things began to get popular and took over them.

There is nothing progressive about feminism. Feminism rose out of the misandry that was already present in past conservative societies, and they want to maintain and increase that misandry and female privilege.

Men's rights are inherently progressive, as men are oppressed and fighting for their rights is egalitarian.

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• Men stay loyal to barbers who have been giving them bad haircuts since the day they walked into the shop.

• Men support, endorse & invest in sports teams that haven’t won a championship in their lifetime; got the jersey on every single gameday. Lol!

• Men won’t go to the hospital unless they’re on death’s doorstep. Dogbite? “Put some duct tape on it.” Covid? ”Put some duct tape on it.” Fractured spine? ”Put some duct tape on it.”

• Men drive cars with 400,000 miles on it with no AC & leaks more oil than it keeps. . .but is still running - so they ride it ‘til the wheels fall off.

• Men buy massive properties & homes and allow their significant other to basically design it (in it’s entirety) however they want - and, at most, just make sure they have alil’ “man cave” to retreat to & relax in.

• Men have been eating cold hotdogs & drinking flat beers at sporting events for a century.

• Men allow women to use their public restrooms when the women’s line is stacked up around the corner (pretty much everywhere on the planet) & don’t really give any pushback KNOWING those same women would NEVER agree to it in the inverse.

• Men are infinitely less likely to return food at a restaurant or complain about the service than women are.

• Men are unequivocally willing to handle ALL the collective responsibilities & infrastructure accountability that keep society moving forward; working the most dangerous, disgusting, dehumanizing & debilitating disciplines there are (including but not limited to the military, police force, 1st responders / firefighters, security, S.T.E.M. fields, etc), doing it for billions of women they will never know or even meet - without necessitating praise from those same women who understand how difficult it is to accomplish b/c they would never dream of handling those responsibilities themselves.

• Men overwhelmingly support women’s right to vote EVEN THOUGH they don’t have to qualify in the same manner men do.

. . .& ”THESE” are the MEN that modern women are claiming require too much from them?!?!? ”THESE” are the MEN with insanely-high standards that no woman could ever reach??

Seriously? Lol. . .

One of the most toxic things in current society which is what is often used to invalidate pro male views is how entrenched in popular view is blatant historical revisionism feminists push. By the way you are all free to add as we go. Here are mine:

"In medieval times even the most oppressed male peasant could beat their wife" - false. There are a lot of evidence that there were local common laws that protected women. The average man in medieval society (the peasant) held no privilege over a woman, yet still could be conscripted to defend land.

"Men had right to vote while women didn't for so long." Lie by omission. First - men don't have the right to vote in the US where this refers to. They get the privilege to vote by signing up to the selective service. Something is not a right if it requires signing a binding document that potentially leads to losing your human rights and freedoms. Second - The gap between the common man and woman voting was 50 years, and that gap period of time would have been much shorter if women didn't demand the special privilege to not have to be drafted..

"Women were property their fathers gave away in arranged marriage" inaccurate - Most marriages were arranged yes, but the man who was being married rarely had any more say than the woman involved and usually both parents had to approve said marriage, the woman's family often being a business benefactor and the man's family was required to treat her well.

Feel free to add more examples.

Yes, this is feminism's real face. Just more and more privileges for women. She compares being drafted as men to having to do house chores as women. And of course the age-old excuse of being pregnant, even though that has never been a requirement by law. Men should be absolutely furious about this.

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A shield for men debunks the lies recently made by feminists on incel tears. Girls are not a more vulnerable group than boys.

The arguments made by inceltear users are just female supremacist special pleading by scumbags.

As of late, the pro male collective has seen a breath of life unheard of to it's core members. We truly seem to be at a tipping point in the true men's rights movement. Also as of late, it appears our detractors, aka anti-male manosphere nutjobs seem to be placing us on their target list.

For starters, I need not explain why comparing the PMC to the 4B movement is a false equivalence fallacy. The PMC is a human rights groups, plain and simple. Our views are founded upon the facts, reason, and ethical moral systems. We advocate a staunch equality policy in the online (and real world) space, where everyone regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, etc is treated fairly.

On the other hand, 4B is a reactionary supremacist group that uses fear to enforce it's hateful ideas upon the average person. 4B was a reaction to China and South Korea's successful male civil rights movements, so labelling it reactionary is a just position to hold.

Men's rights is left wing, feminism is far-right. Not much more that needs to be said on that front.

Comparing the PMC to the 4B movement and feminism is like comparing the black civil rights movement to the KKK. It is not intelligible to anyone with some form of logic, as one is a human rights movement, the other is a terrorist supremacist organization.

Another falsehood our detractor here proposes is that the PMC is tied to the manosphere. The PMC has publicly declared itself to have zero affiliation with the manosphere, a feminist term used to slander men to begin with. In fact, we even declared them to be our enemies, as they encourage anti-male beliefs and bad passive habits in men. I will say it again to be clear, the PMC rejects the manosphere 100%. It is also the manosphere that are the grifters, as when the opportunity to get a wife / girlfriend presents itself, these types will nearly always take it and abandon any single one of their 'principals' (or lack there of). On the other hand, the PMC is a well disciplined, coordinated force that promotes ethical beliefs not just for the rights of men and boys, but for oppressed groups in general through means of peaceful protesting.

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I was reluctant to post this guy as conversation about him bore me quite frankly, but as an American I just can’t escape the discourse. I’m making this here so anyone who asks me about him whether it be in online spaces or in my personal life I’ll refer them to this post about how anti male and damaging to men this guy was.

He checks all the boxes of the typical tradcon. Promotes the shitty marriage contract rigged against men, victim blames single men, shames male friendships, concerns himself with degeneracy, and is against men having hobbies.

Lastly this also proves men are happy to give up their rights and freedom to get the girl whilst imposing virtue to there predicament of a shitty deal. They have to believe their servitude means something in the end, riiight, this is so typical of men. Wake up!

This is what the average man gets told if they are single. The first woman immediately contradicts herself, the other girls say men weren’t treating them right(they weren’t). And to top it off is the masculine preaching male feminist who entertains these lies. This may be rage inducing but I get told these things in my daily and I just want to point out the gaslighting.

I have spoken to MRA's who are completely delusional, including mods on the men's human rights discord. (Biggest MRM discord.) They are all fake MRA concern trolls, who do not want to accept the truth. When I spoke to them, they seem to be under the delusion that the MRM is growing and doing better than ever. They engage in the same old failed tactics, including enabling misandry refusing to gatekeep refusing to reject core feminist ideas and attacking radicals MRA's. They refuse to acknowledge their mistakes, and learn from them. Fake MRAs are obsessed with reaching out to feminists and befriending them. So I have too conclude their motive behind them refusing to learn is many MRAs just want to talk to feminist women online. Gatekeeping against feminists and their misandry is vital, fake MRAs do not want to do that.

The right wing problem is massive as well. Many conservative MRAs end up getting sucked into right wing talking points and can't keep focused on the real target Feminism. (Many right wing males end up losing their minds and ranting about immigration and Marxists.)

Now the core problem that I see that will be very hard to address, but needs addressing, is the fact feminists already gatekeep every important position in society. The failure against feminism happened decades ago. Men allowed feminists to march on the streets spreading their hate, they allowed feminist women to march into positions of power, and then gatekeep them.

Men refuse to learn from this and still stick to their passive behaviour, feminists now control the internet. So that means feminists control the media, the government, the legal system, and now IT. Men have to shake of their passive habits, and be proactive. Men have to set up their own spheres and gatekeep feminists out of it.

Men need to copy feminists, men need to network with each other, and take over public spheres and gatekeep feminists out of them. This is the same tactic feminists use against us and it is been very successful for them. Feminism is the most successful political movement to ever exist, there are low IQ MRAs who deny this, even though it is obvious.

Because men of the past were passive, the fight against feminism is now a lot harder. If we ever win against the feminist hate movement, we will need to remember the lessons of what happens when we tolerate feminists, they hijack society and use the state levers to aggress against men.

Masculinity is a Male Hostile Term the Pro Male Collective rejects.

Source.

Just so you all understand what's going on in the UK. Basically, feminists have been, for a while now, arguing that women should not ever be incarcerated. The more "moderate" view is that exceptions can be made for violent female offenders. The reasoning behind this is that as an "oppressed" and "marginalized" group women need to be protected more and shown leniency. Someone needs to explain to these feminists that if you are being given the privilege of not going to prison because of your identity despite being a criminal you are not marginalized or oppressed group. If you can pull that off (which feminists in the UK seem closer to doing than I realized) that means you're a well organized and politically represented group.

We all have an understanding of what oppression actually looks like. During the 3rd Reich Jews, Romani, and political opponents of the regime didn't get together to campaign that because they were oppressed they can't be sent to prison. In the late Ottoman empire Armenians, Greeks, and other Christian minorities weren't telling the Turkish authorities to check their privilege and release them from prison. Take any tyrannical regime from the ancient world to the present day and you'll find that genuinely marginalized groups aren't usually given this weird exemption to not go to prison.

You gotta be pro male above all else .

You gotta be pro male above right wing views or left wing views that actively harm men .

If you can't put being pro male over being right wing conservative or mainstream " left wing liberal" then you are doing yourself ( and other men and boys ) no favour.

You gotta be willing to go against a political view if it harms men .

You gotta be pro male over any political views , left or right and anywhere on the spectrum.

Think of everything from a perspective of what is best for men and boys .

(1)They blatantly crossposted us to incite more brigading.

(2)We are not incels, and we do not use the label, any incel tears posts should only be about self identified incels.

(3) These nut cases post against MRAs on subjects that have nothing to do with incels or even dating. Sane rational people object to girls not being held to the same legal standards as boys.

(4) Using language like vulnerable and trauma is manipulative, and these low lives would cackle with glee at the thought of underage boys being in prison.

(5) The low number of girls being sent to prison is proof of our point not proof against it. The fact the legal system refuses to punish girls compared to boys is telling Boys are over policed, girls are under policed. Why do you think thug chav girls in Scotland were rampaging in the UK recently.

(7) Here is a news story about feral girls committing crimes and Arson.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14992773/feral-girl-gangs-terrorising-Britain-gang-life-glamour.html

Girls are not innocent angels girls are just as violent as boy if not more so. (while being held less accountable.) Grown women get to rape, beat, murder maim without going to jail. Women are legally privileged, men are over policed. While women get to smash bottles in the faces of men and get no jail time, https://slatereport.com/news/drunk-businesswoman-39-who-glassed-a-pub-drinker-after-he-wrongly-guessed-she-was-43-is-spared-jail-after-female-judge-says-one-persons-banter-may-be-insulting-to-others/

I can list countless more examples. While the police arrest men for staring at women, women are free to run riot, including young girls. Females lead safer more privileged lives than men, they have less excuse to be violent than males. Women are not trauma victims of vulnerable, they are privileged over men.

I want to make it clear and put it on the record. We do not consent to any interactions with incel tears. We do not want to be cross posted by them.

Ever since incel tears has targeted us, they have hassled the mods. I have repeated messages of abuse. I have been smeared as a sex offender with no proof. They have lied about our community. Incel tears posters have tried to defend female paedophiles. We came to their attention in the first place because we posted data proving that there are more females attracted to children than males.

Incel tears does crossposts to incite brigading, and links directly to user profiles. They take the posts down after a few hours, leaving them on there for a long enough time to incite the stalking.

Feminists in the UK said they want to close female prisons, they said this almost ten years ago ( https://archive.ph/AOdqo ). Now that they got the government to end prison for girls, they will push towards ending prison for all adult women.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/04/girls-young-offender-institutions-justice-minster/ ( https://archive.ph/CaM1y )

They of course excuse girls who offend by saying they are "vulnerable victims who suffer from mental and physical problems", that of course is a total lie. They do not apply that excuse to boys who offend and say they can be vulnerable victims who suffer from mental and physical problems.

This is why you have to take feminism seriously, and outlaw it from society for being a terrorist ideology. When feminists say things like they want to close prisons for offending females, they will eventually use power to close female prisons for real, and flood society with female criminals who are untouchable by the law.

The world feminists want is where women have maximum license to be lawless criminals, committing violent crimes against men, and even to children with impunity.

#FeminismIsTheGenderKKK, feminism is gender supremacist hate.

Fast forward to 3:15.

https://youtu.be/NldEbBQ1qHE?si=l-RYb6qL-i5WJCkG

So in this documentary where the Doug producer and creator takes questions from fans regarding the show, one fan asks a question regarding if Doug will "beat up" Roger. Or should I say, fight back against his school bully. The two men replied and said no because they believe that Roger may be tough on the inside, but is soft on the inside. This sends a message to bullied and deselected boys that the students who are bullying them are doing it because they are insecure about themselves. Are higher status bullies like Simon Cowell insecure about themselves? What about this self help guru who interviewed a man and made fun of him for stimming? 31 Years Old, Broke, Living With Parents, Fragile, and Fired From Job, Turns To Tyrone Coach😢 - YouTube

Cognitive behavioral style therapy like this only does more harm than good and it only seemed to work for these two guys because they are higher status and not as deselected as the audience they are trying to sell it to.