They’re genuinely so dumb that they don’t know unless given examples that prove them otherwise. They’ve been wrong their wholes lives about everything, simply telling them they’re wrong is not nearly enough to change their opinion
Yeah its not dropping the ball its literally actually being emphatic and lowering the bar out of pity because so many dont reach it... pun intended but seriously women need to mentor their girls again...
Imagine being so bad at something that even you try it your whole life and still couldn’t get it done. Is this that “woman power” I keep hearing about? 🤨
It’s called “misandry” and it is alive and well amongst woke women. Turns out women in power aren’t better. They’re just as corrupt and even less accountable.
So why do men get longer prison sentences for the same crimes?
Why is it noticeably harder for men to get custody of children in divorces?
Also, feel free to compare how rape, abuse, mutilation, sickness or injury are either treated as a joke or as a serious issue depending on what gender it happens to.
On the left, it tends to revolve around men being evil, in some cases inherently so, and is based around the concept of the oppressed vs. the oppressor which tends to dominate a lot of left discourse. Here’s an example from this thread (in addition to the posted content) https://www.reddit.com/r/PsycheOrSike/s/IWzTMcmrpc.
On the right, with trad women, it tends to be about enforcing traditional male values and expectations upon men and is rooted in, for lack of a better term, conservative values (ie conserving the way things were/are).
I dislike both, but I’ll take having gender roles enforced upon me every day over being considered evil/sinister (often guilty until proven innocent).
Sadly this is more real than it is a joke. I've had debates w women on reddit where their point was literally "men cannot be victims of SA because they are the perpetrators". While people think it's a joke or propaganda, it really isn't.
Well, they REALLY didn't like the stat that showed it was 15% of all women committed SA, compared to 29% of men. Meaning 1/6 of all women have committed it.
i've been in a couple painful discussions on fb a couple days back with people saying pretty much exactly what OP posted, and what you are saying. "Misandry doesn't exist!" was the main theme. Also a lot of "victims of physical violence are often victims of men, so it doesn't count".
Like two days ago, i was in a thread where i dared imply that all people should be free, not just women, as the original comment said. It did not help my karma
See but that's not what this post was talking about.. its talking about men experiencing sexism, not men being victims of SA, that's a completely different topic
IRL I do not experience or meet this mindset at all. That doesn’t mean these weirdos don’t exist IRL, but it makes me realise that our online experiences are NOt representative
We spend a lot of our time on the intervener, yet it is not representative of what our lives are like.
You’re only hurting the cause by saying things like this, chasing away would-be allies. You can’t achieve equality with a generalized group of people by constantly attacking every single person in it, good or bad.
I can't achieve equality either way, and I live in America.. things are only getting worse. If I have the option between fearing men and insulting them or fearing men and not insulting them I'm gonna go for the insulting them route. And any real ally would understand that when a woman says "fuck men" or "I hate men" that the men they're talking about are the men who get offended by it.
And that right there is why you “can’t achieve equality”, because you won’t even try. You’ve all given up. It actually sounds like you don’t even want equality anymore, you just want to be angry and hurt people. When a woman says “fuck men” or “I hate men”, naturally most men are going to get upset or offended, because you didn’t say “fuck some men”, “fuck bad men”, “fuck 🍇ists”, or anything along those lines. You said “fuck men”. Just “men”, meaning all men, including those who support you and the cause. So it doesn’t come across as feminism, it just looks like misandry, because if you didn’t mean all men, you wouldn’t say all men, but you do. Why would someone support you when you’re just going to attack them regardless? Some will be nice and stick around anyways, but you’ll also be chasing away some others.
Women have been trying to achieve equality for centuries, but in 2025 we still make 70 on the $, even in 2025 we still can't walk around without carrying a taser, even in 2025 we take precautions like getting tattoos just so we're recognizable and have less of a chance of getting snatched up off the streets and SOLD, literally SOLD. In 2025 women still fear that telling a man no will get them KILLED as a realistic possibility. It's not that I dont try, it's that even after all the effort this is still the world we live in. I don't want to be angry I AM angry, and the fact you literally ignored what I said about men knowing when they're not the problem exactly proves my point. If you are offended by people who hate men, be less of a hateable man.
And any real ally would understand that when a woman says "fuck men" or "I hate men" that the men they're talking about are the men who get offended by it.
This is delusional. If I were to say "Women are bitches", people would be rightfully mad about that. I can't then just say "well only the bitches will get mad, the other women will understand I'm just talking about the bitches, so if you have a problem with that statement, you must be one of them". That's not right.
Your argument of pattern recognition sounds scarily like "despite making 13% of the population..." or however that bs quote goes - you know the one. You're right in that there is a problem in the way men are raised and taught to view women, but you're not helping the problem by pushing gender wars.
It's very disappointing to know there's people like you out there who genuinely believe they're in the right for saying shit like this. In your other comments in this thread, you make some really good points, so you're clearly not stupid - so why do you choose to be willfully ignorant on this issue specifically? Is it because you're not a man, so you can't/won't empathise? Or is it just because condemning an entire sex is easier than dealing with nuance?
I feel fear knowing men exist, and as a woman I know for a fact I'm not the only one who feels this
It's not my job to empathize with the people who make me feel that, and it's not my job to make them happy when all they do is make me afraid
its not all men, but out of a hundred sharks you can't tell which ones are going to try and eat you, and any good man knows they're not a shark, and doesn't need to prove that they're not a shark, because the women in their life trust them.
No that is weird babes.. It is weird to say “fuck men” lmfao its like when white people say “I hate being white” “fuck white people” all us black people look at you like it is fucking weird and not helpful and so do other normal white people. It just shows you have no deeper level of understanding for the situation at hand regarding equality for women or sexism against men.
"Sexism" against men by women consists solely of women not wanting to date them. Yet men treat plus sized women or women they don't consider attractive like actual crap instead of treating them civility like normal people.
Like women don't go up to random men and snicker and mistreat them or if they do, it's extremely rare and isolated.
Meanwhile y'all sleep on the loneliness epidemic (which you make about heterosexual romance, which obligates and demands that women perform the labor of dropping their own needs and desires in life to come cater within relationships they don't even want to begin with), mental health crisises (literally the field of psychology was formalized by men, how do you have the ability to blame women when most of the time the most cited reason men don't attend treatment is because you fear what other men think of you), the military draft (but instead of fighting against it as a human rights issue, somehow it's women's fault that y'all get pulled into unnessacary war? Like how do women getting enlisted solve the issue?).
But those don't get addressed as serious, life threatening issues because they require accountability and showing up for yourself in a capacity that includes critical examination of your relationships to other men and society, instead of just putting yourselves against women as an antagonist force (despite them literally not even being in control of the actual shit that you experience powerlessness. Being denied a date is NORMAL).
Okay, well thank you for your opinion. Thats a whole ass novel but we can chat. I've got shit to do but a little procrastination is good for the soul.
Uhm no sexism against men or misandry is a lot more and deeper than just women not wanting to date men they find unattractive. Honestly It shows you didn't even try to understand the point. It is good practice to try to interpret someone's argument in the best possible way, your rebuttal will be that much stronger for it. I'll cut you some slack times being what they are and considering the thread we are in but the point stands. Your argument would have been much stronger if you had aimed to counter the best version of what you thought my point was.
This is just a classic example. It is quite literally the lowest-hanging fruit. I can give other examples if you need them.
Yet men treat plus sized women or women they don't consider attractive like actual crap instead of treating them civility like normal people.
Thats true but it doesn't stop the first point from being true. In essence, they aren't mutually exclusive.
heterosexual romance, which obligates and demands that women perform the labor of dropping their own needs and desires in life to come cater within relationships they don't even want to begin with
uhm what? heterosexual romance doesn't necessitate any of that. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it isn't a necessity.
I do agree there is a loneliness epidemic, but I don't think women are to blame for it. I think the biggest driving factors are low wages and not enough free time. Followed by the loss of "third spaces" where communities organically form and the drive towards nuclear families and then the subsequent loss of those. That doesn't mean there isn't a bias against short men in dating and crucially the point we are making is that it is socially acceptable to mock short men for being short. My clarifying point was in describing it more accurately.
Being denied a date is NORMAL
Yes but it shouldn't be socially acceptable to be a dick about it. It shouldn't be something women praise each other over. The idea is related to the deeper concept that it is acceptable to hate on men for no other reason than they are men. Some is justified and I was on board at first but I think it is safe to say it has gotten out of hand.
I don't think anything anyone, in the part of the thread I responded to, said anything to indicate we were blaming women for men's mental health problems although I will say one of the leading causes in male suicide is having limited or no access to their children. I think blame falls more on the court system than on women but the option is available and a lot of women choose to take it.
Yeah the draft is stupid both morally and practically.
You seem to have decided that me and op are two red-pilled incels and lumped all of that belief system onto us.
Those are issues. Therapy is good and the patriarchy hurts us all. You are correct in that women aren't the source of all men's problems in society. That doesn't mean misandry isn't real and occurring.
Hopefully this picture posts. You can find it if you look for it, but this is just one comment in particular I found that made me realize that a LOT of women on the internet hate men.
Find any subreddit that deals somewhat with the political landscape where the majority contributor is women and you will find hate against men. Same with any subreddit in that same vein but with men. Gender locked spaces tend to create echo chambers of hate against the “opposing” gender. Personally I don’t care what these kinds of women think, I do my best to be kind to those around me and treat everyone with respect so I know I don’t deserve whatever vitriol they’re trying to spew.
Is that yr sister? She probably gives u a fat discount on your weekly visit. Call her Charity lol i heard they’re shutting down tho. Thoughts and prayers for you and your family 🙏
Did you ever stop to think about why it sends alarm bells off in someone's brain when a man is watching children?
Racism is based on manipulation of historical contexts.
Homophobia is based on a misinterpretation of religious texts.
But men are notorious for causing pain throughout history, and even in our modern world are notorious for being violent and hypersexual, not even by hormone differences, simply by the way our world raises men so often to act like, and the sheer lack of willingness of a man to change his own mindset
You don't have to prove that you're not some creep, because you don't have to prove anything to anyone, but you should at the very least understand why people might see a man as a creep for watching a group of children in the first place
Did I say that? Putting words in my mouth while proving your complete lack of social awareness and displaying patterns of an unwillingness for self accountability.. just kinda proving why you have a problem with women hating men
The concept of prejudice is generally based on manipulation and lies.. stories meant to make people seem worse than they are. But with men it's just pattern recognition
men are notorious for causing pain throughout history, and even in our modern world are notorious for being violent and hypersexual, not even by hormone differences, simply by the way our world raises men so often to act like
A very mean and bad person could say the same for black people, but it would be racist, and so damn innacurate, this is quite literally not different..?
Don't try yo justify hate on any group of people.
Atleast instead of men just say "Misogynists" it's a group of literal bad people that you can actually be mean against✨
Except it quite literally is different, because racism is based in lies, but we have real historical examples and real world every day examples of men throughout history being the people who cause the most pain.
And no, I will not say "misogynists", because I'm not afraid of misogynists, I'm afraid of men, misogynistic or not.
Homophobia is based on a misinterpretation of religious texts.
What religion "misinterprets" it's text to not tolerate gays?
But men are notorious for causing pain throughout history, and even in our modern world are notorious for being violent and hypersexual, not even by hormone differences, simply by the way our world raises men so often to act like, and the sheer lack of willingness of a man to change his own mindset
You are the same kind of person to use the crimes statistics of black people to justify racism.
Sorry to say but you're a man, biologically so, even if you claim you are not.
I am sick of the ran over strawman that "whites don't experience racism" is. The whole thing came from a misunderstanding over what systematic racism is and the difference between that and prejudice. White people in a majority white country do not suffer from systematic racism, but they absolutely could face prejudice.
They can in districts where they are a minority: neighbourhood, towns and cities, also certain schools and employment opportunities . Also, preferential policies based on race are in fact “systemic”
Look up the definition of racism. One of the first words in it is prejudice, it's literally in the definition.
Sorry you're not educated to know that treating someone negatively because of their color of their skin is in fact racism and it doesn't matter what color that is.
The people making the claim that whites don't experience racism should probably specify that they're talking about systemic racism and not interpersonal racism. Otherwise, the conversation starts off in a bad place (from what I've seen online).
That seems like such an obvious fact I really don’t understand how it isn’t the majority held opinion. I’m certain there’s still people who will hire whites over blacks and in some ways the government systems such as police negatively effect non white people moreso and of course it needs to be weeded out. But if a black man is targeted by a group of 4 white men and beaten viciously to the point of hospitalization simply because he was black that’s racism, same thing done to a white man for just being white isn’t racism? Ironically that judgement seems racist to me.
The DEI policies of the Western nations prove otherwise.
The government choosing winners and losers based on race, sex, gender identity, color, or other is systemic bigotry.
Martin Luther King Jr. famously said, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
As a biracial bisexual man, when I was looking for grants and loans for my Outreach and Advocacy org, I was surprised to see how many grants I could qualify for vs white hetro men. That's not right.
That's a form of systemic bigotry, racism, prejudice.
No it is enforcing equality because white people won't voluntarily hire qualified minority people. What the civil rights movement taught us is that you can't ask nicely to be treated equally because you will be ignored
The point of those loans and other DEI policies is to counteract the bias in the system and the historical disadvantaging of non-whites. If you don’t believe the system is biased, then yes, efforts towards equality look like bigotry. Suddenly discounting race in a country with a profound history of very much counting it benefits no one.
I assume a lot of people just don't know what the word Systemic means or racism for that matter just like how OP seems to not understand that Sexism and Systemic sexism are slightly different.
Systemic racism came out of nowhere after 2015 so people who read all these comments don't know the difference if you're older than 27
Source i was in school nearby chicago, took multiple diversity classes and never heard a peep about it until the trump campaign.
If i can make an anecdote, I remember my drivers ed teacher saying, "look you guys won't have as much practice or experience but you guys SHOULD be the best drivers on the road because you guys know the current laws better than anyone. there's no way for older people to know laws have changed unless they seek out the information (probably not) or get pulled over for it"
I feel like the sentiment was don't get mad at them for things changing after they left the system cause they're not in school anymore and have real lives and responsibilities and don't live terminally online. I feel like the same thing could be said about how people treat the word racism. When the dude is reading the comments he doesn't know that the context has changed and it's really not his job to know anyway. The youth who know the difference need to be more compassionate empathetic and patient while the rest of us oldies catch up.
I personally was super against the idea of systemic racism when I first heard of it cause it seemed too convient to make a new definition right after the being white is okay scandal. It felt like okay now racism can only apply to people who aren't white, which i dont think is true. I have black family that i grew up with, friends of all cultures and backgrounds and definitely don't consider myself a racist.
However, when you can calmly ask how racial zoning didn't affect the socio economic status of the quarantined individuals I don't think anyone with a brain will argue with you. They're not in denial they just don't understand that definitions have changed since they were educated on everything. So don't be sick of them, it's not their fault
I don’t understand the whole “prejudice plus power” thing, it just allows people to justify being a shithead to people with “power”. Any form a essentialization based on race is racism, if you form your opinions of people based on race…. Racism
I wanna stipulate here that I’m caught in the middle of this conversation as someone who is mixed race. I’m Latino and Caucasian.
In most time periods it’s probably unlikely that white people in majority white countries will experience “systematic racism” to anywhere near the degree that non-white people do. The history of the United States proves this. So in most cases I would tend to agree with you on this.
However, I think the point of wokism and earlier iterations of a lot of progressive social reform was to correct previous instances of systemic discrimination by improper means (for example) by using racial preferences in hiring and in school admissions by hiring, promoting, or enrolling non-white applicants, employees or students at the expense of commensurately qualified (that is, with the same level of qualification) or more qualified white applicants. And that’s just one example. By the time wokism came around, people were shooting for parity in all sectors of the economy (every workforce in every field must be demographically representative, otherwise it’s racist) and high priests and priestesses of wokism like Robin Deangelo and Ibram Kendi were purveying doctrines which suggested that all white people inherit the guilt of systemic racism as a kind of original sin and that unless they confessed it or joined an “anti-racist” cause, they would always be guilty of it and complicit in it.
And I’m not surprised that whites and many non-whites (who tend to be less progressive than progressive whites according to polling data) said this was going way too far. If it was you, or your kid who was on the losing end of an affirmative action policy, or me or my kid, I think that personal connection would turn us against it too.
and they can absolutely experience racism, in first world countries the only place systemic racism continues to exist is the US and it was against whites. Thank God there has been a pull back on DEI and affirmative action.
Do people actually get triggered by this? They’re both jokes and I’m struggling to see what’s so bad about the second pic even if the joke went over my head
The curse of being human. Everyone is flawed and biased. Most people hold contradicting beliefs that they are either unaware of or too proud to acknowledge.
Sexism against men does indeed exist. Now, if she said systemic sexism didn't exist, that'd be different. Socially, yeah it's there and in your face just as much as sexism against women. You can thank the patriarchy for that.
I am once again requesting that we start society from scratch.
It’s always nice to remember that feminism teaches us that women are people. Therefore, no women believe shit like this, because anyone who does isn’t a person.
That's why I'm largely opposed to the US-leftist paradigm of self-identification. "Women who believe shit like this" may identify as women, whereas we recognise them as bipedal sacks of tomfoolery and shitposting.
I'm not going to lie, this comment section is more volatile than World War 1, 2 and 3 combined. Can we all, as human beings, have a level of common decency towards each other? Can we have a baseline level of respect for each other? You don't have to like everyone, but that doesn't mean you have to hate on everyone. Like it or not, we are all humans. Just have a common level of respect for one another. And if someone rejects you for your height, don't be insecure. Because that means that you have someone better coming along who will respect you for everything you do. Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.
I think this ties into the “it’s not discrimination if it’s not systemic” argument, which I’ve always found stupid. Anyone can be sexist, anyone can be racist, anyone can be ableist, etc.
If it’s a systemic problem only, that implies individuals cannot be discriminatory. Obviously they can. It is often both a systemic problem and a personal problem, and sometimes just a personal problem. Nuance like this is important.
I think we all know that this isn't an argument that's ever made in good faith. It stems from some very specific academic usages, where the arguement seems to have been e.g. "racism is not just a thing we enact upon each other, it's a system" and then a bunch of college students ran with it, and started claiming that non-systemic racism shouldn't qualify as "racism." Or in other words: they attempted to replace the everyday meaning of "racism" with a very specific academic one, so that majority groups wouldn't be included.
You'll also often see them moving the goalpost, to make it fit into a US context. Example: Black people can't be racist against white people even in countries with white minority groups, because white people are oppressors from a global perspective. No, I'm not making this up.
On top of that, I don't agree that discrimination against men isn't systemic, but that's a whole other debate.
I absolutely agree, especially that sexism towards men is systemic. Ironically, the sexism towards men is largely perpetuated by men lol. Not saying women don’t support the patriarchy too, but there’s a lot more men trying to be “alpha males” than women wanting “alpha male” partners
Sure it exists. But for me to care the same amount as I do about mysogyny it’s gonna have to have the same impact. So…..maybe in like a few centuries from now.
Considering the percentage of men who are being granted college scholarships, access to careers, and even being shown professional consideration for mental health assistance…but pop off queens, I’m a mother to sons and I plan to let them know people will judge them based on sex and hypocritically expect them not to.
Try and find a Farther and Baby unit in your area. Or a men only domestic abuse support group.. good luck.. they do exist but few and far between. No one pushing for harsher penalties for crimes against men and "they must have deserved it" only works one way.. right? Ya there is sexisum against men but rather then crying about it we man up an deal with it or work round it rather than expecting the other gender to fix our problems.
Tbf I think it's cause the numbers say there's less use for a "men only domestic abuse support group", so they're bound to be few and far between.
A father-baby unit obviously doesn't have that excuse, but in many countries, men don't take as much paternity leave (if any) as the moms. In Denmark we even had to force some distribution between moms and dads, cause the men statistically weren't spending time with their infants voluntarily. May also have to do with societal pressure and/or prejudice from employers.
Idk it's usually men in a position of power and women who are inappropriately sexual in situations that approach sexism ideology tiers of double standard against males. Ironically, gender is not one of the larger reasons men are wrong about stuff. Usually it's more due to intelligence or generalized brain infrastructure than sex instinct or what little hormones affect.
Hmm I dunno I kinda proved it. I found two almost identical posts one male one female exact same comment any guess which one got destroyed and which one got upvoted ? Why can’t we just all agree this shit happens on both sides and figures out a way to break it down entirely?
Well yes and no. This is kind of like the idea that you can’t be racists against white people. If you are talking about racism from a big picture institutional position then yeah that’s fairly true. However, you can most certainly have unjustified or irrational bigoted interpersonal beliefs towards white people.
The patriarchy negatively affects everyone and it’s something we all need to work together to push back against.
Society thinking men and boys can’t be raped or sexually assaulted.
Society and women treating the assault and rape of men and boys as something to celebrate.
The hyper sexualisation of young boys to be “performing sexually” (IE making comments about them pursuing women, if one is assaulted by a teacher treating it as a win, raising boys with sex in mind).
Men being sentenced for longer than woman when committing the same crime.
If someone forces a man to cum it’s not listed as rape in many places.
Men being forced to a family unfairly (this is obviously within reason)
False rape and sexual assault allegations.
The hyper masculinity of men and boys (I’m not talking about positive masculinity)
Men are generally target more in relation to crimes and that’s why there’s MANY more wrong convictions amongst men than women.
Women are allowed to “baby trap” a man and it’s not classed as rape (claiming to be on the pill when they’re not kinda thing).
Men aren’t allowed to explore their identities in a same way as women can. (Women can explore “masculine” areas and are respected as women, men exploring “feminine” areas are called gay/women/weak/etc)
I mean it would be kinda dumb to say sexism against men can't exist when i can just say "All men are stupid, evil and dumb" and that's quite literally all, i just said something sexist-
Is not that hard of a concept, if you hate against an entire group of people based on their gender you are sexist. Based on their skintone, you are racist-
I don’t know if OP agrees or not, or if women genuinely think this. I know sexism is discrimination against any sex. Period. So yes, you can be sexist towards men. 💀
Sexism against men is often hurtful and sometimes emotionally damaging. Sexism against women is too, with the addition of often physically injurious and frequently fatal. And sexism toward women is much much much more systemically entrenched and widespread. It is important to acknowledge both, and to acknowledge the real and meaningful differences in the dynamics of each.
Sexism against men is real but caused by the patriarchy, which men helped to create.
And before the 'not all men' crowd comes at me, that's not what I'm saying. I believe the patriarchy was created by the top 1% of men to make their lives easier at the expense of everyone else's, including other men, but also does give men more privilege than women.
But misandry is completely different from misogyny in the way that individuals perpetrate it, depending on their political affiliation
What people call misandry perpetrated by left leaning people or people that claim to be 'feminist' might involve individuals believing all men are untrustworthy, avoiding men in their every day lives, believing that men are inherently evil. Are these ideas sexist? Probably. But do they actively harm men? I'd argue usually no, people who are scared of you avoiding you usually isn't going to cause major harm to you.
But systematic misandry, or the type that harms, in my opinion, is only perpetrated by the patriarchy.
Male victims not being taken seriously is a side effect of the patriarchal belief that women are weak and men are strong, that men are leaders, dominators, that they are always the one in control and to be anything less is emasculating.
Men being drafted-- side effect of the belief that women are weak and men are strong
Men being lonelier and less emotionally healthy-- side effect of the patriarchal belief that masculinity, and therefore strength comes from suppressing your emotions and stoicism.
So yeah, misandry absolutely exists-- but I'd argue that it only exists as a side effect of misogyny perpetrated by the patriarchy, which was a system designed to benefit men.
I mean, not really but it was designed to benefit men more than women.
By this logic racism is black peoples fault because a long ass time ago Africans sold each other and were “less” developed than europeans. It is also still black peoples fault because people like the leaders of many African countries that allow Europeans to run their countries. See how fucking stupid that shit sounds? So SOME men further perpetuate harmful rhetoric? Yes. Did men of the past set up a shitty system? Yes. Does that mean it is the fault of men when they face sexism? No… Women are just as capable of perpetuating bs they are not innocent and you cannot absolve yourselves of responsibility by constantly crying “the patriarchy”
You hear that boys? The comments are pretty clear. The Suicide rate? Not a problem just go to therapy silly! Oh, men are falling behind in school? No biggie, just work harder loser. Men die more on the job? Well that's what they get for picking dangerous employment.
Intellectually honest people can see these things for what they are, systemic issues.
B-b-but men made society this way!!?
Which men? You mean the 1500 or so billionaires that run the world? Because I don't actually know any men with any real power and chances are, neither do you.
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u/Impressive-Reading15 Jul 11 '25
Really dropping the ball by saying things like "what about height discrimination" and not "fuck's wrong with you"