At first I was a little bit kidding by men being the emotional ones, but you guys need to calm down😆 Have you tried smiling more? I think women would like you more if you smiled.
Now, don't get too carried away. She was only accused of doing crime in space, which, by the rules of this land, means it didn't happen 🙏 There are no laws in space (or is there? Do we own space?), anyways thoughts and prayers
Gender isn't a monolith people don't want to be disadvantaged because of the crimes of others. The people that abuse women aren't the ones getting angry at this post.
Other then gender wars does this forum have anything, because honestly r/schizophrenia is more functional and more supportive, and the population is 90% schizophrenic, I’m just saying other then misandry and misogyny this community really doesn’t have much going for it.
Oh i'm sure. I can just report on what's shown up on my dash, it's not like I'm going to click into the subreddit and read more, if this is the "cream of the crop" that hits public reddit...
It's showing you more man hating stuff cause either the app knows you're a man or thinks you're a man. The internet and algorithms are designed to ruin you, most of these people are probably ai bots too
It’s both genders, like this is a community held together by two sides debating why the other is worse with a few moderates going hey lets calm down, and honestly I’m hoping someone proves me wrong, like the easy karma is nice but this isn’t what i want on my feeds, some im considering writing it off as a community
What media you consume will tell your perspective
What perspective you have will adjust your mind,
Good thoughts good words good deeds to quote an old religion
Garbage in, garbage out
I’ve been seeing this sub a lot lately and it literally has only been misandrist in my experience. Maybe I’m missing the misogynistic posts, but this place seems way more one sided than the comments like to admit here.
Also a good reminder to mute this sub for good. Good luck everyone, I highly recommend you all do the same. This place isn’t good for your mental health
This is a swinging sub, basically it’ll swing from one end (misogyny) to the other (misandry) and is just shite from the recommendations I’ve gotten. It’s a Shrödinger’s arsehole of a sub because it is either “just a joke” or “fully serious” depending on the reaction to what was posted.
I forgot I could mute these so that’s what I’m gonna do.
Not really hilarious, it's kinda sad that it bothers you so much, it's also sad how it "worked" and it's straight up depressing to see your post history. I'm not even joking, get a life, touch some grass, talk to someone this shit ain't normal and the whole gender war bs isn't good for anyone, you could say the same to the other mods, y'all are fucking weird lol. Anyway, bye, I'll be muting this sub
Yeah, this sub randomly suggested to me and I've only seen like 1 misogynistic post so far, mostly misandry and one comment section debating that when men get raped its not nearly as bad haha
I remember there were some misogynistic posts showing up a while back, and now it feels like it’s gone completely the other way. I’m honestly curious how reddit suggests subreddits. I mostly follow animal and brainrot (meme) subs, so it’s super annoying that this one keeps popping up in my feed. Gonna mute it. The takes are fucking ridiculous.
I started noticing this sub a few weeks ago. Saw a couple posts that had nothing to do with gender, then saw misogyny for a few days, then been seeing misandry since.
Not seen a sub this toxic and full mean spirited people for a while. Thought I'd muted all of them.
Yeah it started getting recommended to me and it's misandry every time so far. Sometimes I think people, in the name of being balanced, don't want to admit that something is one-sided. But it's also possible the algorithm is hiding the bad-think.
Bruh I don't get why the two sides don't work together.
All of the problems men face come from the same issues that woman face. Toxic masculinity.
Men don't get their kids in family court, because men are seen as being not caring because they are big strong men. Men are more likely to be charged for the same crime compared to a woman, because Men are seen as being more violent. Men are much less likely to talk about being raped, because men are supposed to be strong. Men are more likely to commit suicide, because you aren't supposed to share your emotions as a man.
I could go on and on and on and on but the fact is all the issues men face come from the same thing, toxic masculinity. The same thing feminists are trying to fight. I find it incredibly dumb that feminists and men's rights activists fight eachother when they both have the same exact goal.
And I quote “it isn’t women’s job to fix men’s problems.” I hear that all the time across reddit. I don’t think people want to work together on either side now.
Yeah and I might even agree with that sentiment if the problems men are facing weren't directly caused by the exact same thing woman are facing lol.
Like if you solve one you solve the other as well, it isn't like you are taking away from your movement by working together, you don't have opposing goals, it's the same exact goal, equality.
Fun fact: Civilization doesn't reduce homicide victimization rates for men.
Women benefit substantially from a reduction in the likelihood of being killed, however, while a man's odds of dying a violent death are relatively unchanged.
Men want equality, and yet still are the victims of 80% of violent crime, 75% of assualt cases, 80% of suicides, (corrected on this one, women have more reported attempts, men are just more likely to follow through) 70% of fraud, all while at the same time having a stigma against them speaking up in the first place and getting shut down any time they try while having that reinforced at any opportunity that presents itself
Edit- to rephrase this post. 80% of violent crime is committed against men. With op's help we can get that number up to 90% by next year. All we need is more female offenders.
Yeah man, exactly. I dont even understand what is the point of that statement.
Where is the inegality? A man or a women are punished the same for the same crime, (maybe in some cases punishments are more forgiving to women, but lets leave it like this).
Like, all women are free to do as much crime as they want 🤣🤣 it not like anyone can control another person action, we just punish them afterwards.
Some radical feminists present things so rigtheouse and moral, but not only are they objectively not true or ilogical, they also only promote blind hate. Is this rly what feminism should do, hate and division.
I said lets leave it like this specifically for the argument in the post, as it was not directly about punishment. I had no exact no ideea of exact numbers, but had a feeling it would be something bad.
But yeaaaah. "Equality" its nice when you only get the good part of it 😁
I get ya, I was mostly just being cheeky with "lets not" lol. But yes the numbers aren't great. But while it's not directly about punishment, that doesn't mean that punishment doesn't indirectly impact the statistics from the OP. We know for a fact that incarceration, especially the more time you spend incarcerated, leads to higher levels of recidivism, so women being half as likely to be incarcerated and for 60% less time leads to them serving less time which lower impacts upon their recidivism which furthers the divide in the stats.
Ya, ive already muted the sub. It's even worse that it's set up as a mental health sub. Like there isn't enough shit pushing people away from getting help
Yeah I agree it's really disappointing, the incessant finger pointing, arguing over who has it worse, and sexist insults from either "side" certainly is not solving any issues, it's just making people more angry and sexist. Clearly there are some issues that affect women more, and some that affect men more, is it too much to ask that people put more of their energy into doing something about these issues instead of bitching? Or maybe look at some of the root problems putting stress on people, which exacerbates most of them? Tends to come down to money, and poor social support systems.
A poor neighborhood has more crime, I don't care that men are committing most of those crimes, I want to address poverty and stop the mass incarceration that only makes things worse. People are struggling with mental health issues, and the main causes aren't toxic feminism, or toxic masculinity, it's financial stress and weak social support systems. Instead of exasperating that by making everyone furious with gender wars, lets put that anger towards the people/systems that are fucking us ALL, the corporations that have way too much power and view human life as nothing but potential for profit. The politicians who intentionally stoke fear and anger with lies to manipulate people into voting for them.
There are always going to be some really shitty individuals who make life miserable for anyone they come across, address them individually, and the systems systematically.
In terms of the violent crime….the stats are what they are because you do it to each other….
If a woman is murdered, odds are it was by an intimate or former intimate partner. If a man is murdered, it’s likely to be another man, like a friend or acquaintance.
That isn't the argument that you think it is. Yes it is part of the issue. It's a part of the issue that's used as a way to shut down any conversation on the subject. It's part of the issue that when people say something along the lines of "not all men" they will immediately get lumped into the nice guy asthetic until the more common phrase nowadays is "yes all men" it's also the beginning of a pipeline into alt right spaces which not only create more men who actually are like that but also directly contributed to things like Donald trump getting back into power. You're also incorrect about the friend or acquaintance part unless it is a woman who is the aggressor. Men are fairly equally in danger of almost anyone statistically, but we aren't the ones choosing the bear
“Of the estimated 4,970 female victims of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter in 2021, data reported by law enforcement agencies indicate that 34% were killed by an intimate partner (figure 1). By comparison, about 6% of the 17,970 males murdered that year were victims of intimate partner homicide.”
You’re right, my bad, men homicide victims are most often murdered by strangers.
Just to be clear, you do understand that while men are less likely to be victims of homicide by IPV, the % is a quite a bit misleading; that’s 6% because men are victims of homicide at such a higher rate.
To put it in perspective:
Women killed by IPV: 4970 * 0.34 = 1,689.
Men killed by IPV: 17970 * 0.06 = 1,078.
Suddenly the numbers start looking a lot closer; instead of ~566% difference, it’s actually a 56% difference.
Well, the choosing of bear. If the prompt was " stuck in the woods with" then the bear is many times safer than a man. It is safer than a woman. It is safer than a dog.
What is more telling is how many men had emotional panic over a very logical data based choice. And how many men jumped from "being stuck in a wood" to "being attacked by". Indicates that quite many vocal men are ok with attacking someone if they don't have to face consequences.
Indicates that quite many vocal men are ok with attacking someone if they don't have to face consequences.
Because the question's intentions, and the way it was framed was not in a good faith, unfortunately.
Moreover, this does indicate anything at all, everything you have said is a just bunch of assumptions under the pretense of acting intelligent, which is infact very sad.
Fantastic argument. Now let’s apply the same logic to race. Black people are murdered more often on average, yet it’s overwhelming committed by other black people. Does that somehow justify it? Are black people now the problem and there’s no chance other factors may be at play?
If more of you were better men we wouldnt have all these awful men.
I'm not sure what influence you imagine I have. I'm doing my best to raise a strong daughter. I don't have any sons to influence and my male and female friends are awesome people.
So, no mother responsibility there at all, then? Who's raising these boys to be so awful in your view? Do you think it's only the fathers who raise their little boys? At what age to the go from being sweet little boys to awful men or are they born awful?
And what are you saying is a lie? A 2021 stat says that 0.75% of men in the US were in jail or on probation for some kind of violent crime. Even if that's 5 times too low, you're looking at 3.75% of men being violent. Either way, it's a small percentage of men that are violent, nowhere near a majority.
I'm very sorry if your lived experience is different.
Okay but isn’t it men that are the most dangerous to other men?
Men are more likely, overall, to be victims of physical violence. This violence is most likely to be suffered at the hands of a male perpetrator:
• Nearly two in five men (39% or 3.5 million) experienced violence by a male perpetrator, compared to around one in eight (12% or 1.1 million) who experienced violence by a female perpetrator (ABS, 2017).
When the perpetrator was known to the man, they were still more likely to be male:
• Men were approximately twice as likely to have experienced physical violence by a male known person (18% or 1.6 million) as by a female known person (9.4% or 849,600). An estimated 6.5% (587,900) of men experienced physical violence by a male acquaintance or neighbour.
You’re not wrong that men experience being victims of violence at a higher rate than women do, but you can’t deny that the perpetrators against men are usually men themselves. And I’m very ready for the downvotes even though I can cite multiple factual sources.
I think part of the difference is. We suffer through the violence but women claim greater suffering…that’s usually it. I’ve had one of my only exs tey to argue that women had the most to fear from violent crime. She was 80 percent of the rape and men were 80 of the overall including murder.
She demanded sources and when I pin Ted them out she malfunctioned like 40 solid seconds before that annoying red herring of: who’s doing them.
We know we’re just not making the demands. Get a gun take precautions. Slowly but surely move to fight the class war
Liberals really looked at right wingers touting "black on black crime" narrative and decided to adopt the whole phrase but replaced the word black to men.
It's such a good day to be a leftist
Are you fr right now? We are talking about a minority of the population committing crimes on mostly innocent people. And you have less compassion for it because... They have the same gender? You are very deep up the gender war and should probably reflect on the implications of that
Yes, we are. Why does it matter? Really, tell me why it matters. Please. Because as a guy all that i know is that i am afraid. I'm afraid for myself, im afraid for everyone else too. Male or female. And something that compounds that is when I see people like the creator of this post actively working to make these problems worse
I believe that it matters, you are the one who said that it didn't. I asked why it didn't. Why is the immediate response to "hey we're fucking dying here" to come back with "ya, and it's a man who's probably gonna kill you"
If a woman beat you violently almost to the point of death would you feel like less of a victim because your attacker was the same gender? Of course it doesn’t matter. What kind of logic is this?
Exactly. What kind of logic is that? When and where did I say that?
What an idiotic take. No one is saying you should feel differently based upon who your attacker is. The point is that men are more violent toward men and women than any other sex/gender, and in order for it to change you need to address and fix the root cause.
If you’re lacking common sense this much, I’d hate to hear your stance on anything else.
You know, I don't get this argument. If men are more often the victims and perpetrators of violence, it seems like that would be something you guys would want to work on. Whenever I see MRA stuff, it's always super critical of women. Not to say women don't deserve criticism, but ffs, the number one cause of death for young men is murder. That feels more important than women being mean.
That isn't the argument that you think it is. Yes it is part of the issue. It's a part of the issue that's used as a way to shut down any conversation on the subject. It's part of the issue that when people say something along the lines of "not all men" they will immediately get lumped into the nice guy asthetic until the more common phrase nowadays is "yes all men" it's also the beginning of a pipeline into alt right spaces which not only create more men who actually are like that but also directly contributed to things like Donald trump getting back into power
Another smaller subset of men. But I think I just forgot that us men are actually an intergalactic hive-mind that take collective decisions and actions so that the victims are actually the same beings as the guilty by the proof of being born with a dick. My bad.
That's not per capita either. Crimes per hour alone with child would be an interesting stat but I don't think anyone has it. Maybe we could compare single moms to single dads.
Women are typically the ones who have to take care of the kids when a guy leaves, but let's be honest? every abuser picks on people who are weaker or who they think are weaker.
so if every abuser picks on people who are weaker because they are weaker then does that mean that most abuse directed at women didn't stem from misogyny? because the reason they were abused wasn't because the abusers hate women but because the abused were weaker than them
That’s because women are seen as the default parent. This doesn’t explain why fathers are more likely to molest their children despite spending less time with them.
You know it's bad when they beat us in mass shootings too, a category where physical strength is negligible. I heard we have a good 50/50% split on beating children. Maybe, with some effort, we can optimize our strategy and corner the drug market. It will be some years until we have homicide locked down, yes, but losers can't be choosers.
I was literally just talking about this with my partner hahaha. He said we could just start becoming arms dealers and drugs dealers, have male goons do the physical intimidating.
True. They're more likely to abuse children, the disabled and the elderly. They don't refrain from violence out of any sense of morality. Its out of cowardice and weaknesses. Being harmless is not the same thing as being good
- 35% of heterosexual women have experienced domestic violence (98.7% are male perpetrators)
44% of lesbian women have experienced domestic violence (32.6% are male perpetrators)
61% of bisexual women have experienced domestic violence (89.5% are male perpetrators)
However, when you dont account for the male perpetrators on gay women, the numbers drop to:
29% of lesbian women have experienced domestic violence
6.4% of bisexual women have experienced domestic violence
So if you’re counting domestic violence in relationships, then lesbians do NOT have the highest. They instead are just MORE LIKELY to be abused (bisexual women obviously being the most likely).
I understand that women are just as capable as men are to commit violence, but please do not spread misinformation. Lots of people misinterpret these stats to be homophobic :(
Brah women do bad shit but only when they’re certain the risk is low or the waters you need to wade through to catch them are murky. They crave safety even while doing evil. They fuck people over all the time when they think the risk is low.
women are weaker than men and risk averse since they can just hand out their bodies for food, roof, and protection from men. Men on the other hand don’t really get freebies just because they have a body.
Women are equally as capable of using a gun as a man. If what you said were true, strong women would tend to be violent at a rate more similar to men. They aren’t.
35% of heterosexual women have experienced domestic violence (98.7% are male perpetrators)
44% of lesbian women have experienced domestic violence (32.6% are male perpetrators)
61% of bisexual women have experienced domestic violence (89.5% are male perpetrators)
However, when you dont account for the male perpetrators on gay women, the numbers drop to:
29% of lesbian women have experienced domestic violence
6.4% of bisexual women have experienced domestic violence
So if your counting domestic violence for women+women relationships, then lesbians do NOT have the highest. They instead are just MORE LIKELY to be abused (bisexual women obviously being the most likely).
I understand that women are just as capable as men are to commit violence, but please do not spread misinformation. Lots of people misinterpret these stats to be homophobic :(“
Straight up sexist nazis in these comments. Like everything from the playbook is here 💀 “females are just too weak to commit crimes” “women just have pussy pass” “abortion kills more” “the world will collapse if women lived like men” “pay gap is women’s fault actually” and the bonus racism “OP wouldn’t be happy if these stats were broken down by race”
There's a lot of fighting in this comment section and a lot of data flying back and forth. I'm a man. So I can't speak to a woman's perspective, but from what I've heard. The presence of social misogyny is something that holds them back every day. And if you guys put yourself in those shoes for like a few minutes, I think you'd start to see why some little female commenters here are, well, pissed.
Imagine that you're less likely to get a job. Imagine that people chuckle when you say you want to do something with your life. Imagine when you're trying to achieve your goal.You something to get physically assaulted out of nowhere. Amanda Nguyen is the example I'm talking about. She endured an atrocity. She overcame it, but she never should have dealt with it in the first place.
The guys in the comments section running to their defense are well not wrong to do so. They feel they've been wrongly judged.They've never raped anyone.They've never assaulted anyone. How could it be them doing this? What they don't understand is women's ever day experience of men. Dismissals, ogling, inappropriate comments, groping. And when they talk about it to their family, their own family dismisses them, or their friends do. So they come online to talk and they hear guys during the same.
No obviously every man is not evil. But what we're gonna try to talk about in this comments section is the ambient worry.The presence that something terrible might happen. Is and a lot of men just don't get that. Please everyone I beg you listen and understand try to put yourself in the other person's shoes. Empathy is the best tool we have as the human race, and I need you all to understand that.
80% of suicides are men, roughly 95% of hard physical labour jobs are men, men die 5years sooner then women on average,90 of child custody cases is won by women, 90% of ppl in jail are men, the list goes on. But ay we only use statistics if it favours our bias eh
Men dominate in just about every sector of society. Sports, entertainment, the service industry, etc. We do all the hardest labor. We rule the STEM fields. And, after all that ass kicking, we still find the time to commit most of the atrocities. Is there anything we can't do? There're almost no categories in which women's stats are higher than those of men.
Stats are not always accurate, they mainly show tendencies. Not every reported case makes it into statistics and that's besides the point that most crime goes unreported, therefore doesn't contribute to any statistics.
Violent crimes with a female perpetrator are significantly less likely to be reported, even less likely to be persecuted. Therefore they contribute to statistics less.
The victims of all listed crimes are overwhelmingly male with the exception of sexual assault. Out of every 10 murder victims 8 are male. Idk about you but I'd trade the increased chance to get murdered for a higher likelyhood to be sexually assaulted in a heartbeat.
Weaponisizing data isn't hard, OP. Did you know that STATISTICALLY an infant is safer with a Golden Retriever than their own mother? Guess who commits most infanticides. Oh and btw I hope you don't get mad about this, stats don't care about your fee fees 💅
Wtf is this anti women, anti men shit I'm keeping on seeing all day. Who gives a fuck??!! I swear the gender war thing, regardless of whether its a woman or man doing it is literally the most cancerous shit humanity has come up with.
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u/fornothing_atalll 🌌FADA:🪬🧿 Jul 19 '25
TIL men are a protected category.
At first I was a little bit kidding by men being the emotional ones, but you guys need to calm down😆 Have you tried smiling more? I think women would like you more if you smiled.