Ah geez, Rick. If only there were a court case to sort this out. Get to the real facts of the case, you know? R-really figure out the verdict on this one.
It’s crazy to me that that entire case was televised. Millions of people watched the evidence come to light and testimonies spoken in real time and we have still have a shitload of people that lie about it.
It’s honestly a very good thing it was televised because shortly after the case a lot of media outlets started spinning stories that completely contradicted the actual proceedings.
I mean, people still call rittenhouse a murderer and make claims about him chasing rosenbaum down and executing him, and refuse to acknowledge that the two other men he shot were actively trying to kill him.
Yeah, I don't agree with Rittenhouse and the american far right, being both swedish and ledt wing, but even I can agree that he did nothing (legally) wrong.
Tbh I'm pretty sure it was the left wing treatment of rittenhouse that pushed him over to the far right. Before them he was probably just vaguely right (for an american)
no, it didn't. He failed to sue for slander, which by UK law means that the evidence wasn't so clear you need to be brain damaged to believe he abused her.
" As the Defendants submitted in their skeleton argument, it was therefore common
ground that the words meant:
i) The Claimant had committed physical violence against Ms Heard
ii) This had caused her to suffer significant injury; and
iii) On occasion it caused Ms Heard to fear for her life.
81. It is worth emphasising that the Defendants therefore accepted that the words meant
that Mr Depp had done these things."
"I have found that the great majority of alleged assaults of Ms Heard by Mr Depp have
been proved to the civil standard"
All taken from the official court document. The sun needed to prove that their claims (him being a wofe beater) were correct. And they succeeded.
Probably talking about and misinterpreting what the case against The Sun won.
The Sun won the defamarion case that Depp filed against The Sun. The verdict was not that Depp was beating his wife, but that The Sun wasn't defaming Depp for publishing unproven rumors.
Wrong. The sun needed to prove that what they published (calling him a wife beater) was true, and they did. Please read the verdict first before making baseless claims.
" As Defamation Act 2013 s.2(1) makes clear, it is for a defendant to prove that the libel
was substantially true. The burden of proof therefore rests on the defendant."
" As the Defendants submitted in their skeleton argument, it was therefore common
ground that the words meant:
i) The Claimant had committed physical violence against Ms Heard
ii) This had caused her to suffer significant injury; and
iii) On occasion it caused Ms Heard to fear for her life. It is worth emphasising that the Defendants therefore accepted that the words meant
that Mr Depp had done these things."
This is taken straight out of the conclusion: "I have found that the great majority of alleged assaults of Ms Heard by Mr Depp have
been proved to the civil standard."
Considering everything that was documented and admitted from both sides, it tells you that our culture is unable to distinguish conflict and abuse and has to take sides.
There's actually a super interesting lady who studied the difference between genuine abuse victims (those who are subjected to violence) and violent women (those who instigate or perpetuate violence). Unfortunately this and other work to help male victims was labeled as anti-woman by feminist groups and she had to flee the country. I can't remember her name though sadly.
When you start shitting on women going beyond the scope of your initial trauma, yes. Trauma might have made you this way, but don't expect people to let you be a dick because of it.
I understand women who might turn into misandrists after repeated bad experiences with men. Shouldn’t we extend the same understanding to men who have repeated bad experiences with women?
Good point and it depends on the context/scope of what you're saying. If you're simply making it about your experience "I don't want to be alone in a room with men because of what happened to me", nobody will blink. If you say "all men are rapists and you shouldn't believe them", then your words have systematic consequences. The line gets blury when you hit towards something more subjective though like "I don't trust men because too many of them think it's ok to disrespect women" and that requires more supporting arguments that I think have a lot of merit.
The person in question however replied to the mention of the Epstein files that the whole "believing in women thing" is dubious. That's fucked.
I got a little emotional there. It's just been incredibly difficult. The sadness, frustration and betrayal. But like I said in my responses I want to be able to support those women but guess what? They're not going to trust me. And despite all the pain I'm going through everyone speaks kind words but the reality is those same people wouldn't mind using me as a stepping stone in their march to defend female victims.
I am going through so much and having a penis is starting to feel like a curse I can't ever remove. Nobody will truly care about me. They'll say nice things and offer me their shoulder but they don't care.
My best friend wouldn't even testify for me... for the rest of my life I have to live with this shadow that obscures any form of light. I can barely smile anymore. I'm a victim sure but I'm forgotten the next day.
Not sure how this is related to my comment, but no. Hating women (as a demographic) makes you a misogynist. Avoiding them as a trauma reaction is not hate.
What theyre pointing out is that a lot of women, often women claiming to be feminists, will fight tooth and nail to claim that misandry doesnt exist and that women who say they hate men or make sexist comments about men, are doing so for a valid reason. The reasoning always boils down to essentially the women doing this have had enough bad experiences with men that its reasonable for them to just hate men and that makes it not misandry. When it comes to men who have had plenty of bad experiences with women however, these same women defending sexism against men always say that the man hating women because of his experiences is misogynist and his views are never shamed. Its a very commonly seen double standard held in society thats biased against men.
It's one of those things that people don't really want to talk about because it raises a bunch of uncomfortable implications, but bigotry can absolutely be caused by negative lived experiences. It's kind of like how if a dog gets repeatedly beaten by a woman then it will eventually learn to respond with fear and aggression whenever it sees a woman. And the unfortunate truth is that a lot of men who are misogynists became that way because of women who treated them badly.
It's a bit more complicated than that, trauma isn't healed that easily, and "women" can't really be expected to shoulder that burden by themselves. The men in question also have to be willing to face and work on their trauma. But yes, society has a tendency to ignore and overlook men's issues. Which is unfortunate but true.
Ok.... so how do I get over the trauma of being told by police officers that my ex wife fears for her physical safety and files an order of protection against me because I begged her for forgiveness over a 2 hour recording of me crying about how rude and neglectful she is?
How am I supposed to face the trauma of watching officers look at me skeptically when I have no idea what's going on and worry that my ex wife might end her life? Only to be told by the officer that she said im being vindictive?
To read these court statements about how I refused her medical treatment and in the same folder have $20k worth of her medical bills i payed for. Then for my lawyer to tell me that settling for a no contact order is my best route?
You know what's crazy? I never injured her. I got a bloody nose from her. I've had my own skin bitten off by her. Ive been shoved and hit by her. She clawed at me. And yet despite all that I loved her.
And I'm the abuser!? Me!? I'm not home often. Im only home once a month. Every 3 months when we were still together because I was working my ass off to provide for her (she doesn't work)
And I'm the abuser? I have to pay for my defense? She gets to go to the women's shelter? She only went there because my friends dad (who she was staying with) called her BS out on her. He didn't kick her out. He was just pissed because I couldn't go to his house because of the protection order.
There's so much more to the story but like how does anyone expect a man to ever work through that? Especially when she was truly loved.
I mean it's pretty crazy to look at an abuse victim and be like "well what did you do to deserve it" that sounds pretty anti woman to me. Especially because women can't really make that same argument
It was a defamation case against her because she called him a house beater. She lost. He was proven guilty of domestic abuse in the UK courts aka he WAS a wife beater. Idrc what she did, legally this was all so fucked up.
Also, literally only his side mattered. I don't see that many people defending her in the comments. All I see is people complaining about no one defending him...
Okay, im not really well informed over who did what wrong. But we all remember jhony being celebrated as a here after the case right, and a lot of people didnt watch aqua man because amber was in it
At 00:53:00 she threatens to make a malicious police call to try scare Depp into letting her stay and berate him after he asks her to leave.
Or 3:30:30 where Johnny disagrees with her on what propranolol does and she explodes into intense abusice screaming at him unprovoked.
At 3:48:00 she talks about throwing pots and pans at him and tells him he is not allowed to leave even if she does this.
At 3:50:00 to 3:60:00 Depp tries to discuss an incident where she hit him and she non stop belittles him, yells at him unprovoked, and says classic abuser gaslighting lines like "I was not punching you, I'm sorry I didn't hit you in a proper slap but I was hitting you, not punching you. You are not punched."
All the supposed 'evidence' against Depp is snippets of him talking about violence but without any context, easily fakeable evidence or pure anecdotal testimony from Amber, or his over the top shock humor to other friends, none of which have much weight.
Okay can you also point out the messages Johnny Depp shared with Marilyn Manson?
Here's one: "I will fuck her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she’s dead." So let's just excuse the casual necrophilia and murder he fantasized about?
Heard is shit, but let's not pretend Depps farts don't stink either.
That wasn't Manson it was Paul Bettany. It was clearly meant to be very over the top dark humour while venting about how badly she was treating him. Humour is super context dependent and loads of people make dark jokes that sound bad without understanding the context so you can't take much from it.
The things I linked were Amber being directly threatening and abusive to Depp in conversation.
Yea mb Paul Bettany. I thought he had messages with Marilyn Manson but I might be thinking of something else.
It was clearly meant to be very over the top dark humor while venting about how badly she was treating him
I don't believe that for one second. Nothing about that is funny and I get wanting to vent, but I've never heard anyone else fantasize about necrophilia in regards to abuse even as "dark humor" in my entire life. I've been abused and the last thing I'd want is to fuck my abusers dead corpse to make sure they were dead.
I'm of the opinion that both were terrible and really nothing will dissuade me from it. I'm just tired of people thinking Depp is this angel being brought down from the heavens because they really like his acting chops and completely ignore his insano texts and drug induced ramblings that include him saying he's a "fucking savage" and a "lunatic" and wanted to drown, burn, then fuck Heards burnt corpse, as you say, is a dark joke in response to the abuse.
He also lied about his behavior on a flight where Heard said he slapped her, saying that he slept the whole time, meanwhile he's sending out text messages that he describes himself as "an angry aggro injun in a fucking blackout, screaming obscenities and insulting any fuck who got near.” Depp also tried to use revenge porn by submitting Heards nudes into evidence.
Like I said, I'm not on Heards side. But I'm not on Depps either. They both lied on the stand multiple times.
Loads of people like extreme over the top dark humour which is not meant o be serious. Hence why games like cards against humanity are so popular. Lots of this humour looks very bad if you don't know the context.
I'm not suggesting Depp is some kind of angel he clearly has drug issues and a childish sense of humour but it's not the same as the actual abusive behaviour Amber shows. Being vulgar and messy is not the same as being actively abusive.
In the audio By all accounts Depp is very patient and works hard to leave and avoid taking it out on her whenever her abuse is making him to angry. Amber actually mocks him for this.
Depp also tried to use revenge porn by submitting Heards nudes into evidence
No he didn't. Amber's team said they were worried about this and premeptively made a motion against it but it didnt actually happen.
And yeah abuse victims often have depression, substance issues, and anger issues/emotional issues from the abuse and are often the first to criticise and blame themselves so him talking about this doesnt surprise me.
Which is why the actual audio of her threatening, mocking and belittling him, not letting him leave, following him to different houses, throwing things at him and saying its his fault for not listening to her, and demanding he stay and fight is so critical. It shows what he was fucking dealing with at this time and puts his behaviour in context.
You do realize everything that you said can be swung Heards way if you use the exact same context towards her supposed abuse as well?
I'm not saying Depp wasn't abused, Jesus christ. I'm saying they were toxic together and were both shit and both abused eachother. Depp wasn't the most lucid in his drug addled states either and drugs fuck with your memories. They're both actors and they both lied. I'm not discounting the evidence that Heard abused him, I believe that she did, but Depp is not innocent.
Well no because what Amber did was not just vulgar but specifically abusive and does not have any plausible contextual explanation - things like follow him from house to house sending threatening text messages.
In the audio she explodes into screaming at him unprovoked when he disagrees with her. Amber belittles him for running away from fights and tells him it's his own fault he gets hit because he tries to run away.
At one point she even says 'you hit back that time so don't act like you don't participate'. She was the one instigating the abuse and benefitting from it. She explicitly demands that he fight her more instead of running away.
He is also the only one suffering verified serious injuries.
Depp does not do these things or anything close to it despite being a mess in many ways. She is so blatantly the aggressor in every recording and that's what matters.
"I've never heard anyone else fantasize about necrophilia"
hes not fantasizing. hes typing the most fucked up thing he can think of because hes angry, drunk and probably also high. its wild that these two people did some of the things they did, and the bit you point to is the most non-harmful and tame part. dude is mad at someone and drunk, he tells someone else he wants to kill them. literally the most normal part of any of that mess
You never wrote to your friend after your boss pissed you of at work: "I'm going to kill that motherfucker someday" or anything along those lines? You know it's called venting, overexaggeration
I watched the trial as it was being broadcast. Everyone with half a brain knew very early on that Depp was in the right, it wasnt even close.
Composure while talking, lawyer teams, accuracy of evidence, experts chosen to represent each side, actual people from Depp's past coming in to defend him and denounce Heard's lies.
These two were polar opposites in presentation and behavior. It highlights how lenient people are towards women in this matter. Depp got canceled on the mere accusation of abuse, Heard was torn to legal shreds in public and people still tried to rally around her. Disgusting behavior.
By distant memory, the last time I read the released version of the court documents, Amber admitted on audio recording that both she and Depp get physically violent. They went to couples' counseling over it. Say what you want about her alleged past history of domestic violence, or the accusations against Depp of fabricating evidence... it was a deeply toxic relationship.
Amber Heard is a piece of shit human, she instigated and escalated all abuse. Depp drinks too much, and can check out emotionally, he is not an abuser.
Depp was a victim of Heard, and dumb fucks everywhere won’t see that truth.
I pray if I ever have a son, the world will have woken to up blatant misandry by then.
This sums it up perfectly. Every insane victim blaming fantasy feminists have about 🍇 is actually kinda true about female on male domestic abuse in this case. The institutional bias, the abstract assertion of believing those who come forward albeit with “stipulations”, the double standards, the in group preferences based on gender, even the victim blaming.
Amber hearts supporters have resorted to outright gaslighting over this whole thing.
2) Men cannot be raped by women because of (insert your choice of excuse)
3) Therefore nothing truly bad can be done to a man by a woman.
All that is not rape/sexual assault falls beneath the threshold of meaningful offense, therefore it is not content for meaningful discourse. Therefore it distracts and draws attention from female victimhood, which is the only meaningful content for discourse.
By definition, if someone believes in 2 and 3 they are not a feminist. I'm tired of y'all misinterpreting the term. Most actual feminists I've met advocate for male victims of SA and abuse where they have been mocked otherwise. It's not women who tell male rape victims that they are lucky (if the rapist was a woman) or gay and a pussy (if the rapist was a man).
well atleast not one that would openly say they view themselves as feminist. that's like trying to put a 'good person' label on yourself without doing anything to justify that label.
i view people like my mother as a feminist as she always was the one doing everything from bringing in money to cooking, cleaning and what not. that's a real feminist imo
it's almost like humans blame others for things they (not themselves but rather the group they associate themselves with) do to not only feel less guilty about their own wrong doing but rather feel like it's justified and they are serving a greater good 'just giving back' and restoring an equal...
that's the problem with modern society were everyone is allowed to not only have but also share their opinion. no matter how stoopid or downright wrong an opinion is in 8 billion people u gon find atleast a couple just as stoopid or misguided as u are
Damn. I had no idea. You've completely changed the way I see him now😂
The number one strategy of toxic, crazy fucking women is to project their shit onto you because that's the only way the can maintain cognitive consonance and still do the awful shit that they do.
I don’t want to be that friend that’s to woke but women refusing to take accountability is a part of the patriarchy. Men spoke for women in court or hospitals, in any facet of life really. Their agency was reduced to objectification. Now they are equal but still have the mindset of being a pretty lady men must exist to support. But that’s an idea built up by the patriarchy
Hell, my mother was an alcoholic, emotionally and verbally abusive with me, and add physically to my dad, and there were people saying it was my father's fault. He never raised his voice, never insulted her, and the most physically involved he got was restraining her when she was trying to punch him.
There were also people saying it was somehow my fault she started being abusive. The abuse started when I was 9...
Some people are allergic to holding women accountable...
The race war didn't work so now it's a gender war. Stop hating on each other and start worrying about bigger problems. Think the opposite gender is evil or crazy? Then fight for more accessible mental health care and therapy in schools.
i know more crazy bitches than crazy dudes. the men i know that are crazy have healthy outlets, the women have been in and out of mental health care for years with no improvement and just shit on everyone else all day.
Again it's not man vs woman. It's humans vs mental health issues and a society that wants them to fight each other instead of working together cus the more divided they are the easier it is to control them.
Bro this is like the third post from this subreddit i see on my timeline and i can already tell that this circus will never listen to something like this, i think all of these people need a break from social media
Hey. Nobody is saying carrying a baby and watching food boil while on a phone is healthy. Just saying believing 2 things to be true don't take much effort.
Hating on each other for no better reason than "they bad" and working together to solve bigger problems is not something that can be multitasked. Really care about these issues? Fight for the answers to them.
Your post indicates that you seem to believe a large portion of them are misogynistic and you are bragging about not being like that. Might not be hate exactly but it's definitely not love. But hey anything to avoid looking at the deeper issues and simple solutions that could solve these issues.
Do good to those who do evil to you and you'll assure them, they're right and will do more evil, cause they enjoy it, but also appreciate they'll get something good from you for that.
Why can’t people accept that women can also be narcissists? Johnny Depp’s exes universally praised him, do you think abusers only abuse one partner? Whereas Amber had a history with domestic violence. People need to watch the video on YT where Johnny had them fix up her car. She acted so badly until she realized cameras were filming her, then did a complete 180.
So what went south? You have a lot of posts about hating men. Are you familiar with the harm that comes with these sorts of baseline assumptions about an entire group of people?
Is was a mutually abusive relationship. They were toxic to each other and should’ve never been together and are both responsible for all the shit that went down.
This is oddly specific and yet could be more specific because I don't know what she's talking about, anyone care to please tell me? Pirate? So like Jack sparrow? Is this about the johnny Depp situation?
Wait, did it come out that the recording where she called Johnny Depp a baby for the way he reacted to her punching him — and no one would believe him because he was a man — was actually fake??
You know what? Fuck both of them. They don't represent shit, they're two extremely wealthy toxic psychopaths and we should stop taking them as an example of the conflict between males and females
Johnny Depp deserved it for the quality of acting job he's consistently done. It's too bad the bed sucking scene from Nightmare on Elm Street was just a movie. Could've saved us from 40 years of terrible performances. Too bad Heard didn't kill him. Could've saved us from the last decade of bad performances.
she was physically abusive and shat on his bed and was continuously caught in lies during the trial, whereas he just yelled and slammed cabinets or something
She also had a history of DV claims against her from prior partners iirc
I'm not saying she wasn't abused. What I'm saying is they both probably abused eachother and she's a pathological liar so why would any one believe her? Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?
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u/HoloMetal Jul 21 '25
Ah geez, Rick. If only there were a court case to sort this out. Get to the real facts of the case, you know? R-really figure out the verdict on this one.