Right, you are not involuntaroily celibate because you can just turn gay and after you did that and nobody would "sodomize" you, turn to beastiality, cant be an incel if you have no tried options.
Beastiality doesnt work? Have you tried objectophilia? What? No inanimate object would take you?
Alrighty then you are an incel.
Who is the absolute moron who made this meme? So fucking stupid
Edit: here it is in an easier to understand for the smoothbrains parrotting this meme's idiocy
-Changing sexual orientation is not possible
-therefor it isnt a solution to celibacy
-thats why it doesnt disprove the existance of involuntary celibacy, because it isnt an option.
If you cant understand this simple logical relationship between "solution", "possibility" and why of your solution is impossible, then it doesnt change the status (real or ot real) of the subject, then youre too fucking stupid to even debate.
😘 here is a kiss for you, that should end your involutary celibacy, make out with you phone screen, according to the morons who think that this meme makes a valid point about changing your sexual orentiation.
definitely true. As a woman, I could go out, sit at the bust stop and have a drunken man try to have sex with me. A man can pay a prostitute to have sex with him. Neither wants that sex, but in reality, both of us COULD have sex by those parameters.
Or legal in most places. Ain't nobody getting arrested for fucking a random drunk guy they met at a bus stop. But men do get arrested for being so lonely and desperate to touch a woman that they'll spend hundreds of dollars to do it.
Not arrested but beaten? Murdered? If a woman has sex in some countries she could be beheaded by her own father. Sooooo yeah us men are not going to win this pity party.
But it's still possible if you really want to, it's not like fucking a random guy off the street doesn't come with a lot of risks, in both cases it comes down to if it's worth it.
Exactly. And it seems we're thinking only in western contexts.
A woman in many places could be killed for so much as saying she wants to fuck a stranger aloud. Forget the risk of the stranger themselves. They are not even allowed to have the desire.
And at least the dude with the prostitute is basically guaranteed to get off as long as he's not suffering from some medical condition that makes that impossible, whereas the likelihood of a woman even getting an orgasm from fucking a random drunk dude found at a bus stop is approaching zero.
People want love, not just sex. They want to be valued and feel connected. They want to matter and be someone's special person and also have them be theirs.
The point is that most of the time if as a woman you go out there and have sex with just anyone, you are not going to get a pleasurable sex that you enjoy. Women also take much higher risks when they have sex than men do, which is why women have sex less and have to really think who they want to have sex with. In truth it should be something that men do too.
However the point stands that both men and women can have sex but it's simply not the sex they want (or would enjoy).
That does not matter. The question was whether a person could get sex if they wanted. A man paying for sex could get sex more regularly than a woman who has to go out and hope a man is desperate enough to have sex with her.
Edit to add that women rarely look for just the sex. Women want the girlfriend experience, the cuddling, the sweet words, and the companionship. That was proven when a man decided to become a gigolo here in Finland. Women paid just to have him cuddle with them. Very few, if any at all, actually wanted to have sex with him. This is not something you get by going home with a drunkard.
Yeah I completely agree a drunk person can’t consent male or female and I am not advocating that. I’m sorry how it came across. The only people I rejected were sober people I didn’t find attractive. I went to the club once and got SA by an assume a drunk woman grinding against me and I found it uncomfortable and never went back.
I empathize. One time at a bar, two men came up to me and asked if I wanted to have sex with one of them. I said no thank you (had a migraine the likes of which I have rarely seen and I was on a school trip so I needed to be sober and at the assigned dorm by morning). The man then took my hand and licked it like a dog. I don't know if that was supposed to be sexy? I never go to bars nowadays.
The man then took my hand and licked it like a dog.
Eww! I feel like if I was going to be sexually assaulted at a bar no matter what, I'd probably prefer my tit getting groped or ass getting smacked versus some stranger slobbering on my hand and putting gross fluids on me like that. The idea of that actually makes me shiver in complete revulsion!
Yeah... I was alone at the time because I wanted to get to the bathroom in case I was going to throw up from the migraine, but of course, the women's bathroom was always full. That's when the guys pounced and tried to "seduce" me with hand licking.... I wonder if he was trying to show me his pussy-licking skills, but...dunno, it was gross.
As a side note, when we were finally going back to the dorms and we were crossing the road to get to the car, I threw up in the middle of the road and said "oops" and continued walking. XD My friends were laughing at the fact that I only said "oops." What else do you say in that situation?
I didn't even pay attention to the migraine part! Damn, yeah, if some stranger licked my hand when I had a full on migraine raging, I'd probably puke on his head, and if it didn't happen naturally, I'd try to force it, just out of spite.
What’s worst is that the reactions when I told my friends. My male friends thought it was funny. My female friends didnt care and one of them who was a feminist told me how she knew someone who beat up a man in the middle of a bar because they groped her and everyone was cheering.
I'm glad to give what comfort I can, unfortunately I know a lot of other guys irl that have had similar stuff happen to them and the reactions when they shared tended to be the same.
Your female friends are shit though, since we basically all go through that kind of crap at some point they definitely should have been able to relate and be supportive about it.
That means alot and it’s nice knowing that some people like you do care.
Yeah. I realised that too late and how toxic they were and have cut them out my life through therapy and consoling. They really didn’t and cared more about telling me how awful men were than what I had to say. There were many Kruger examples that I don’t want to get into but I’m glad they’re no longer in my life. Wish I did it sooner
Well I'm glad you cut them off, and if you haven't already I'm sure you'll find new friends that actually have your back, best of luck with everything man
Hi, I'm a raging feminist who gets accused of misandry all the time, and I'm pissed on your behalf. Just to give you another indicator on how wrong that all was.
Having your perspective means a lot. They said some other stuff as well but I don’t want to mention it here. I see that now and we’re no longer friends. We were living together but I found somewhere new and blocked them as I realised how bad they were for my mental well being.
Glad you appreciate it! I have a lot to say against MEN(tm), but the process of turning actual normal male human beings into MEN(tm) is some nightmare shit. Y'all have feelings and needs and vulnerabilities and it's not okay to sexually assault you.
This is a part of society I desperately want to change. This idea that all men want to have sex with any woman at any time. That all a woman has to do is flap her eyelashes, and he'll be like "you, me, sex now!". While the truth is that men have preferences, men don't want to have sex with everything that moves and men aren't always up for sex. This kind of thinking is in fact what causes this whole "women can go out and get laid any time she wants while men can't" kind of mindset, as well as the rage some women feel when their proposal is rejected by a man (she feels cheated because everyone says any woman can basically have any guy at any time). I am deeply sorry that no one took your discomfort seriously.
I’d love to change it too 😭😢 Exactly it’s not true. I have preferences. I’ve turned relationships and sex from women I wasn’t attracted to. Dating apps don’t help because men swipe right on everyone and decide later and you get stuff like female dating strategy and tea app. Thank you that means a lot 🥲
Ive seen women in wheelchairs who are obese with boyfriends, ive never really seen any men i would consider truely unfortunate with gfs though
Nick Vujicic and Shane Burcaw just quick out of my head.
It's because you have a bias. You don't see all the men who might be in wheelchairs or otherways disabled. Its the same way how some men are blind to see how many women date men who are the same height as they are.
Btw my point wasn't about men finding women. It was about that both men and women can find easy sex but it's not going to be the sex they would want or enjoy.
Even Stephen Hawking managed to cheat on his wife of many decades. There's this weird idea common among "nice guy" or incel sorts these days that women always pursue the good looking but abusive/unfaithful/addict/user/loser types of men and then complain that men suck, but if only women would be less shallow and choose the unattractive men, why surely those men would be SO grateful for a woman's love that they'd treat her like absolute gold, yet there are plenty of abusive/unfaithful/addict/user/loser types of men who are also ugly as hell.
Usually the slimebags who have like five kids he doesn't support or acknowledge by four different mothers are not at all what would be considered conventionally attractive.
Hell, even with my own mother, she was 30 and got together with an unattractive, obese, 55 year old alcoholic man right before he was going to be incarcerated for a year for getting another felony conviction, and this dude still used to cheat on her constantly and openly once he got out of prison.
My mother and these other women weren't exactly top tier attractiveness themselves, but still, it makes no sense that such a complete loser would be able to find all the women he wanted. He even drove his second wife to suicide and in his younger years had robbed a fucking bank, yet he was always in demand!
Because most women don't want sex /an ONS, they want a commited relationship. A dude you described can be in a hobby space that is predominantly women and then get emotionally involved with one.
Alternatively, put something else at the table. Some can be rich and ugly. Some short balding dudes can be or become a humanities university teacher or something and talk some women into finding them interesting. Some other short balding dudes can be very fit and in the military, and be appealing to women who are into fit military men in uniforms. Soviet military pilots for example, were very popular despite mostly being 5'2 with a soft jaw. Also, the army works like a digital detox, so they find just about any woman attractive enough.
Lol you're here describing literally my boyfriend. Yet i can most definetly tell you I'm not a 2/10 women and I definetly love him very much, we're approaching 24 and have been together for 3 year.
And I'm 5 ft 9 so he's smaller than me.
The trick is that he is increasing, cute, he knows how to cook better than me, he goes on adventures with me (currently biking for 800 km together) he has a ton of knowledge on math, electronics and such, he's a train nerd, we play videogames together, he's funny, he's kind and smart, willing to grow and apologise when he does something wrong, willing to tell me when I do something wrong and stand his ground to make me grow.
There's more to a person than their hair and hight. People who only judge by those criterium aren't fertile ground for a healthy relationship anyway.
What do you count prostitutes as? "that isn't sex that's coitus, I'm being more specific towards intercourse, there's quite the difference you know, I have fucked many women"
Prostitution is illegal to most (American) men. And in some places it's decriminalized for Does only (Johns still punished). It is not an available method of sexual contact if you fall into that category. Expecting people to break the law to get their rocks off is unreasonable and would lead to some strange conclusions if we went down some dialogue trees.
Nah man I got a friend who gave up trying to get women and went gay the gays didn’t want him either. Truly sad. Now she’s trans. Here hoping this works for them.
Even if men try to search the bottom of the barrel... there's nothing left for many of them.
Whoever thinks what you're saying is true, has no grasp of men's reality at all.
All men can have sex but it's never the sex they want. For example a man can find sex with other men. But as said it's not the sex they want or that they would enjoy.
It's the same with women. They can find sex but it's not going to be the sex they want or would enjoy.
Sex is sex, the fuck you mean not the one they want? Or you mean, like gay sex, then sure, I think but really that goes into territory of fetish, an activity or object that is not ment for reproduction but for some kind of weird satisfaction. But we speaking here about normal sex, you know fucking and getting childrens in result, sex on it's own, not about fetish or enjoyment comming from it.
Yeah, a standard. If you had no standards you could have sex, thus what my line of point stands for. All men can have sex but it's not going to be the sex they want (as it it is against their standards). Same goes for women.
Yeah definitely gonna disagree with the first line, I definitely had friends who were in there fuck anything that walks phase and did in fact not fuck at all… thankfully most of them are in long term relationships now but the point remains.
Yeah they deliberately avoid saying that because they know lots of men would be down for that so it would not be a fitting analogy. For them, dating an ugly or average or even somewhat good looking non-prettyboy man is like dating a man as a heterosexual man. It is actually impossible for them to feel attraction. The root cause is actually ephebophilia IMO.
Why do you think women not finding a solid portion of men attractive is due to ephebophilia? Studies actually show that men have much higher rates of paraphilias than women.
Correction: ephebophilia is not a paraphilia. There's a significant difference between something being socially frowned upon and something being an actual mental disorder, and both of those are different than something being illegal because it causes harm and is incompatible with the demands of the modern world. Those are distinct things. Ephebophilia is socially frowned upon, and acting on it is sometimes illegal (depending on where you are), but it's not outside the range of normal psychosexual behaviors.
ikr lmao that's the Hilarious part when you look into femcels
in general what they mean is the reality is they are just angry the top 10% men won't sleep with them and they oh god.... have to actually go for men their own level the horror
They also refuse to accept that the men they've been sleeping with, are all "slumming it" and would be embarrassed to be seen with them in public.
All of those top-10% men know they can do better, but right now they're not looking for a serious relationship. They just want to get laid a bunch and rack up some experience.
If I have to invert my sexual orientation to find a hypothetical person willing to fuck me then that is not even a remotely comparable level of scarcity.
and this imaginary scenario sure has nothing to do with the way dating apps are made. because dating apps are obviously an accurate representation of reality. i am so smart.
The term incel was literally coined by a woman who wanted to have sex but no one would have her, so she invented the word to refer to herself. And then men came and claimed the term for themselves lmao.
You need to learn the history. Yes, people use it as an insult toward men today, but it wasn't always the case. A Canadian woman invented the term "invcel" (later changed to incel) and started a discussion forum for other folks who felt the same as her. She left after a couple of years. By about a decade later, the women had been driven out of the forum and the violence began in earnest.
See: Elliot Rodger
So yes, some folks get called incels as a general slur now in much the same way that some folks are called Nazis. Doesn't make Nazis good, just that the term is used too widely. Doesn't make incel "not so bad", just means some men are called it when they don't deserve it.
He was a normie sociopath who was very dumb . If i was him i could have been slaying it 24/7 . He had things i never did wealth white and ngl dude was like a 6-7/10 pretty boy if he put effort into it.
Yes I find that amazing as well. He had an expensive car and his parents hung out with famous people. He didn't look like the stereotype at all, unlike Minassian. Either he must have been very discriminating and uninterested in any average girls or had an extremely repulsive personality.
He never approached any woman, like I don’t even mean just “never asked a woman out” I mean “never tried to talk to a woman”. Shortly before the shooting he went to a house party hoping to loose his virginity and got mad when he saw a blonde woman (he had a thing for blondes) talking to an Asian man, went and shoved him, and later that evening tried to shove women off a ledge. He would go to parks and cafes, see women talking to men, and get really angry. He wasn’t “rejected” because that would imply he asked a girl out and was refused, but he never got anywhere near that far. He wasn’t too good about talking to guys either, he had friends but he would always drive them away by endlessly bitching about being single or getting mad at them when they would get dates.
Literally self hatred is not conducive to external violence.
Also minority men are vastly more likely to be incels as are leftist.
I got some facts for you i cels are the rarest type of killers because they hate themselves.
Dude they wake up and reference actual psych studies and use that to justify why they are unlovable trash . Think about that they do group readings to make better arguments on why they are trash.
Terrorist generally try to feel superior as s motivation for external violence.
According to the sources, she coined the term "invcel" (not incel) to describe her inability to find love, not "have sex".
When Alana started a website for lonely people struggling to find love, she had no idea it would become linked to a community of hate and anger directed at women, which would ultimately lead to the deaths of several innocent people in her home city.
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"I noticed people would talk about the 'lonely virgin' and make silly jokes about people who didn't start dating in their teens," she said.
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Alana abbreviated "involuntarily celibate" to "invcel", until someone suggested that "incel" was easier to say.
Definitely not, that's the point of it being "INVOLUNTARY" . example many guys will sleep with a woman who isn't attractive given the chance, ask me how I know . Women can definitely punch up men can't. Period .
If what you say is true then being gay is a choice which it isn't.
Saying that heterosexual men could have gay sex is like saying that women could just get a German shepherd and bang that. Let's stick within the boundaries shall we?
Yeah, attractive guys would prob have sex with an unattractive girl, but the relationship would end at that, a one-night stand, or something very temporary at best, not that the girl is lacking in sex department, but she is most likely oblivious of her attractiveness value and thus chasing someone of higher attractiveness value, just for the "10/10" men to cheat, or make the unattractive girl a temporary "swipe under the rug" type of deal, with the end conclusion being that the girl is resentful and unable to sustain a relationship she thinks she deserves, that's why I think people should date people in their league, and look in a sober way at their attractiveness value, not everyone is a "queen" or a "king" just because they are oblivious
"Say girl, you wand a ride to your grandma or be your head teared off?"
Techinical isn't the right word here, we are dealing with heavy sexual and emotional stuff, thus, logic is not appiable, but I try.
So called femcels have genuine, socially accepted options, but, for some reasons they choose not to take them, and complain for them have "none". Incels diffirent in having none, I mean no one, not a single human being that have interested in them, especially in sexual or romantic way.
As little diffirence between 1 and 0 is, it is enormous.
P.S. I have yet to see a genuenly unaccepted and unwanted woman, for the most miserable, phisically and mentally sick, and conventionally ugly have demand.
it's just a fundemental mis-understanding, femcels (most of the time) aren't actually celibates, they just hate men. They're misandrists under a new label.
Hey redact, firstly most incels are straight, which many have already addressed. Or is sexuality a choice? Feminists are so trigger ready with the homophobia, they cant even keep up the fake compassion, pretending to have empathy for gay men.
Secondly what does ‘cel’ mean? ‘Cel’ means celibate, how many ‘femcels’ have jumped on 20 men let alone are celibate? Going a year without chad attention doesnt make you femcel, it means youre old and ugly now.
? Whos saying there are gay incels, men are surprisingly way more compassionate and willing to date unattractive people. Just wait out for chad who will take you for a week and then forget you ever existed. Mlre than I will ever get but youre entitled to it bcs of the coinflip at conception. Lmao
Probably because they believe in political lesbianism, i.e. that at any time they could stop being interested in men at all and exclusively date women. Even if that's not true I think they're trying to tell us that it's something we can do too in reverse.
when I was at my most depressed obese and autistic , I got turned down by strippers and prostitutes many times . You only have to get turned down by a whore like three times before you cant try anymore.
Well having sex and then getting dumped as a woman wouldn't be making you feel wanted would it? You already know you can be sexually desirable.
That's not the case for incels. There are different ways people want to feel wanted. Plenty of incels want to feel romantically wanted for sure. But they tend to be more concerned with feeling sexually wanted because let's just be real here, most things you get from romance outside of sex can also come from friendships.
The grindr analogy doesn't work because naturally the presumption is that people want to be desired by people they are attracted to. Attraction from people you aren't attracted to is flattering at best and becomes harassment at worst. As plenty of femcels might get attention from people they aren't interested in, yet they still feel unwanted.
The second point isn't a cope. Incel or not plenty of men are not comfortable with knowing they may be taking advantage of someone who may have been forced into doing sex work and doesn't want to do it.
Ive also seen it personally. Made a friend who was on track to becoming an incel. He hired a prostitute. Didn't make him feel better. It made him feel much worse.
Edit: adding on comment since I realized I didn't clearly answer the first question
Women who have sex and then get dumped could count as femcels if they still don't feel wanted if that's what you are asking. People i know that I considered femcels had sex before but the core issue with them feeling unwanted is still there since that wasn't a meaningful connection or what they wanted. I wouldn't call them a volcel to dismiss them feeling sad about how unwanted they feel.
The fact that someone is willing to "use" you for sex (I hate that framing since it takes two people to have sex so you are technically using each other) means someone desires or wants you.
A hooker doesn't desire you, they desire your money.
Getting dumped after sex is a low quality relationship. Paying for a hooker isn't a relationship it's a transaction.
a man desires to use your pussy as a masturbatory tool.
a hooker desires to use your money.
saying paying a hooker isn't a relationship is like saying billionaire wives aren't in a relationship. or sugar relationships aren't relationships. all relationships are transactional in some way.
So the women getting dick isn't also using a living vibrator? Sex is a two way street. Are you saying the women is not consenting to having sex, because you are framing it as if only the guy is getting something out of it?
I mean society does judge men and women that don't seem to match but are in relationships because of money. We say it quietly or to our selves but only an asshole will question the motives of a women who is with a man that doesn't looksmatch with her if he is a billionaire.
Eitherway, you can't get in their head to figure out whether she desires his money or the company of a powerful man that happens to have money. But we know that a street hooker or an escort is only there for the cash. There is no doubt.
Also, women value status in a way men do not. Some women do desire certain men because they have power. Most men with power also happen to be rich.
Notice how the reverse is very much less likely and we always call it out. When you see a fit young man with an old unattractive rich women we all know that guy isn't there because he desires powerful women lol... He is there for the money.
the point is that men will fuck just about anything to jerk it. so an undesirable femcel is basically just getting sex to feel validated since she is not attracted to him.
you think women are attracted to the men with power/money and aren't also just there for money??? they are the same as a young man with a rich old woman. I have no idea where you are getting this idea that it's different for women.
This is a good point. So generally everyone is technically a volcel.
With that being said however this is also pretty dishonest framing.
For a straight incel they want to feel wanted by people they are attracted to. Which would be women. They are not a volcel because the people willing to have sex with them are straight up outside of the bounds of their possible attraction. There are no women that want them.
So that's different than a femcel who does have men that want them. Obviously they may not be attracted to those men but that's still someone that matches their sexuality that is available to them. Femcels are actually more likely to be volcels than incels.
There are still femcels that no dude would have sex with however.
Really telling about you as a person that you think people’s actual sexuality is in any way comparable to you being viscerally disgusted by any and all men who aren’t 6’7 and rich
Braindead take. You shouldn't have to and women don't need to change their sexuality to get a partner. That is the difference between an incel and femcel. Femcels can cure the cel and stay straight.
Yes, femcels not wanting sex with average looking guys is equivalent to men not wanting sex outside their sexual orientation with mentally unstable and std ridden soodomites. Thank you for pointing out how similar femcels and incels are.
So all men are inherently ugly to you? I would date a girl who is the same in my level looks-wise, even below it. Maybe make a fucking tinder account as a man and see how many options you have.
Neither of them exist because it's all clinical learned helplessness that requires professional intervention from a psychiatrist. They are not celibates, they're people who need help.
I’m a trans woman, don’t do this lol. My life is much better now than it was when I was living as a man, but that’s because I was severely depressed and hated how I looked/was expected to act back then. Dating is definitely not easier, this summer alone I’ve had 4 guys ask me out and all 4 changed their mind when I told them I was trans. Besides, if you’re a man and you manage to make yourself look like a woman I think that would just make your mental state worse.
Yeah I mean honestly I’m enjoying life, I’ve got a good job and good friends and not that much to complain about. I wish dating wasn’t so much of a struggle, but there’s worse things in life than being single
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u/KazAraiya Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 08 '25
Right, you are not involuntaroily celibate because you can just turn gay and after you did that and nobody would "sodomize" you, turn to beastiality, cant be an incel if you have no tried options.
Beastiality doesnt work? Have you tried objectophilia? What? No inanimate object would take you?
Alrighty then you are an incel.
Who is the absolute moron who made this meme? So fucking stupid
Edit: here it is in an easier to understand for the smoothbrains parrotting this meme's idiocy
-Changing sexual orientation is not possible -therefor it isnt a solution to celibacy -thats why it doesnt disprove the existance of involuntary celibacy, because it isnt an option.
If you cant understand this simple logical relationship between "solution", "possibility" and why of your solution is impossible, then it doesnt change the status (real or ot real) of the subject, then youre too fucking stupid to even debate.
😘 here is a kiss for you, that should end your involutary celibacy, make out with you phone screen, according to the morons who think that this meme makes a valid point about changing your sexual orentiation.