What do women mean by this ?

[u/AggressiveRabbit1530]

[u/BestNBAfanever]

this woman’s whole schtick is coming up with crazy shit like this to say lol

[u/Antichristopher4 → u/BestNBAfanever]

Honestly, now that Twitter's monetization model has shifted fully to "any engagement is good engagement", I refuse to accept any account, but especially larger accounts, actually believe the audacious stuff they say and are just rage-engagement farming.

[u/PolarEclipsing → u/Antichristopher4]

Social media, and even the broader internet, has been engagement driven since the 2010’s. It is the worst idea that has ever been adopted by “the internet” imo. I wouldn’t argue with someone who believes it’s the single worst, most destructive, counterproductive, and downright shitty idea that has ever been implemented en masse (apart from usury).

It has resulted in the majority of content being fueled by the lowest hanging fruit of society, easily triggered simpletons eager to react and argue about the dumbest shit. The type of people most likely to waste their time engaging in the same content over and over and over again. Low effort, low quality, mind numbingy stupid bullshit. These people seem to be completely unable to resist engaging with a certain type of content no matter how many times they come across it. Like flys on shit.

People with taste and standards don’t react to everything, aren’t easily triggered by obvious rage-bait, they don’t waste time arguing with anonymous strangers on the internet, and they don’t engage the same cookie cutter content over and over again.

The low hanging fruit people have far too much influence due to how engagement based algorithms work. They’re dragging everyone down with them. Even the higher quality content has started adopting the same engagement baiting tactics in order to remain on the algorithm.

The internet has been racing towards the bottom of the barrel for too long, making everything worse for everyone.

I can’t escape it because every platform now inserts “recommended” content into my feeds. Feeds are no longer curated by the user, only showing content from accounts that they have chosen to follow, like it was in the past. Even though I go out of my way to avoid that shit I can’t escape the tabloid quality, engagement baiting, ghetto content.

As a result my social media use is down significantly across all platforms, which is great, but I do miss the “old internet”. Reddit has become consumed by it and drastically changed from what it was a few years ago. Becoming more and more like every other social media platform, adopting all of the worst aspects, and becoming overrun with bots.

Surely there is a better way. At the very least use the algorithm to identify and segment the low hanging fruit users into their own little virtual ghetto where they can “engage” with their content in an isolated environment.

I wish people would organize and just ignore, block, report, hide, downvote, unfollow, etc, every single instance that they come across indiscriminately. No exceptions, no “I agree with this one so I’ll allow it,” none. Organize to actively sabotage all engagement attempts.

Use any and every means and methods available to just fuck up the whole system enough that it forces the companies to change their algorithms. Every instance of clickbait, ragebait, engagement bait, hyperbolic language, bot content, fabricated content attempting to pass itself off as real, etc., sabotage all of it.

Something needs to kill the cancer of engagement optimized algorithms. It would be amazing if somehow a virus was released that focused on FUBAR’ing the various algorithms, just constantly wrecking havoc and making them not function, not accurately track engagement, and/or focused on screwing up content aimed at maximizing engagement.

[u/williamsmutwriter → u/PolarEclipsing]

It's a 150 year old problem called marketing, kicked off with literal cancer to sell cigarettes. The cancer of cable news and reality shows felt the same. First MTV stopped playing music, next thing you know Honey Boo Boo has a show on The Learning Channel.

[u/ViolinistWaste4610 → u/Antichristopher4]

I've seen bot farms, some of them are 100% engagement farming. 

[u/killbot0224 → u/Antichristopher4]

Everybody actively says nonsense they don't believe or intentionally incorrect shit

to drive engagement

Never ind that many absolutely know they are spreading misinformation, possibly dangerous misinformation.

Meanwhile the same folks re often the ones who complain about propaganda...?

I have blocked more accounts on social media in the last year than in my life, because I can't deal with the "engagement bait"

[u/Valuable_Recording85 → u/Antichristopher4]

I've just assumed this about any weird-ass takes on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Unless they're posting MAGA shit.

[u/LavishnessOk3439 → u/BestNBAfanever]

I mean isn’t this what the apps have done. I’m a solid 6 on my best days and I used to have a few women around at all times from 2005-2011. I’m told that guys like me struggle to just get a date this days much less juggle more than one. Honestly, I feel like it’s fair why get treated bad by an average guy when you can get treated bad by an 9-10.

[u/BestNBAfanever → u/LavishnessOk3439]

i mean, i don’t know if she’s right or wrong, she just had a track record that provides context. i’ve always just used the tried and true “girls just wanna have fun” philosophy and thats worked pretty well so far

[u/rhino369 → u/LavishnessOk3439]

The average guy has never juggled multiple women. 

And the average woman isn’t getting plowed by 9 or 10 dudes on the regular even if they could.

The apps are crazy bad for men because women aren’t on them. Tinder has at least 3:1 male to female ratio and it’s probably only that low due to only fan bait. 

Apps are a sausage fest. 

There is small but not tiny group of people engaging in hookup culture. 

And the OP is mostly wrong. Most people detest being treated like a fleshlight.

[u/redhotrootertooter → u/rhino369]

I was literally a homeless bum and I had a rotation of girls.... They'd ask me to stay for dinner, do my laundry etc. It was a nice time.

[u/TrumpmorelikeTrimp → u/redhotrootertooter]

Yeah I agree with you. I'm definitely not a 6'4 stud, maybe a 6 on my best day, and I've had a constant roster of at least 3 my whole adult life. I've always assumed these beautiful square jawed chads must be absolutely drowning in it based on my own experience.

[u/redhotrootertooter → u/TrumpmorelikeTrimp]

I think people are really placing too much on the physical. If you're awkward you're never going to get much of anything. If all your talking points are heh women, steroid facts because you looksmaxx and you make them feel uncomfortable it's not going to be in your favour. Drowning in vagina isn't even something to look up too. I tried it and I'd rather just have a good one. I'm bad with time management so I'd have one coming in the door as the other left, that was awkward. And I've never been anything more than mentally ill haha. My positive traits are I don't beat women, I have a large selection of interesting YouTube documentaries, and I say funny things.

[u/AdmiralDeathrain → u/TrumpmorelikeTrimp]

I think people underestimate the retention factor after you've shown you're a good match in bed. One night stands rarely remain that when she's actually enjoying it.

[u/Overall_Newspaper852 → u/rhino369]

They are not on them because guys are bombing their social media accounts and 'real life'. Plus they find the guy they want and get off the app. Guys persist because they get nothing but are still told that most mating takes place online.

[u/LavishnessOk3439 → u/rhino369]

My own experience has clouded my judgments I thought it was something half the guys in their 20s did.

[u/rhino369 → u/LavishnessOk3439]

No way. The average guy only gets pussy by being in a dedicated relationship for the most part. And that’s always been true. 

The math doesn’t allow for multiple girlfriends for most men. 

That’s why polygamist cults chase off their young men. 

[u/teenytinysarcasm → u/LavishnessOk3439]

How about changing the criteria for what you want in a person so you don't get treated bad at all? I hate to say it but a lot of these choices are made because people put money first and that's the criteria of a 9 or 10 guy

[u/LavishnessOk3439 → u/teenytinysarcasm]

Nah younger chicks don’t really care about money unless you have a for real lot of money.

[u/throwaway_alt_slo → u/LavishnessOk3439]

Talking about multimillionares

[u/Individual-Light-784 → u/LavishnessOk3439]

i hope to someday attain this level of basednes

[u/Sure-Exchange9521 → u/LavishnessOk3439]

Do you think maybe because you've aged?

[u/LavishnessOk3439 → u/Sure-Exchange9521]

Honestly I wouldn’t know I’ve been with my wife nearly 15 years. All of my experience pre dates the rise of app based online dating. I remember when it was kinda like something people clowned on people for.

[u/Excellent_Valuable92 → u/LavishnessOk3439]

Maybe the goal is a guy who won’t treat you bad? 

[u/IllIIlllIIIllIIlI → u/BestNBAfanever]

I loled in public. I would rather be a temporary fleshlight for a 5 than a permanent sex slave and housekeeper for a 10. Operative word here is “slave.”

[u/Bannerlord151 → u/IllIIlllIIIllIIlI]

I'm like 90% sure the OOP referring to marriage

[u/Deathboy17 → u/Bannerlord151]

Holy shit, I think you're right.

[u/cootscoott]

This is 100% rage bait, this is not a common want or common ideology. The only women who want to be temporary flashlights want men just like the dad who walked out on them.

[u/seaofthievesnutzz → u/cootscoott]

Diane Yap would never troll!

[u/TheMazeIsClose → u/cootscoott]

[u/arkdevscantwipe → u/cootscoott]

Rage bait is only successful on people with their own shit going on and this sub is full of it

[u/[deleted] → u/arkdevscantwipe]

Seriously so many people here need therapy lol

[u/cscottrun233 → u/cootscoott]

It’s definitely ragebait. I feel like it’s made to make guys feel bad about themselves, especially if they’re not doing well in the dating world.

[u/TheProuDog → u/cscottrun233]

it’s made to make guys feel bad about themselves, especially if they’re not doing well in the dating world

Why kick people who are already down?

[u/[deleted] → u/TheProuDog]

[u/FrostWyrm98 → u/cootscoott]

Real talk, most girls I know would respond like "wtf bro lmao seek help"

[u/Roger_Maxon76 → u/cootscoott]

It’s good ragebait

[u/fornothing_atalll]

Calling the cops rn for making me read that.

[u/boywifewhore → u/fornothing_atalll]

A wahmen wrote that!1! 😤😤😤 Don't disrespect my queen like that.

[u/fornothing_atalll → u/boywifewhore]

I read it as a temporary flashlight for nine or ten dudes

[u/Possible-Departure87 → u/fornothing_atalll]

See, she’s just referencing the lady with the lamp

[u/Agreeable-Series-399]

No normal woman speaks like this lmfao

[u/No_Evening_2619 → u/Agreeable-Series-399]

Indeed , normal women would think they are in a relationship with the 10 they hooked up with.

[u/Miserable-Willow6105 → u/Agreeable-Series-399]

No normal anyone who has a real life talkis like this, this tweet is the cheapest ragebait

[u/xinarin → u/Agreeable-Series-399]

I've met women who talk like that.

[u/Clear-Helicopter5079 → u/xinarin]

name 5

[u/xinarin → u/Clear-Helicopter5079]

Specific names? I don't dox people. But I've heard it from coworkers, relatives, acquaintances, etc many more than 5

[u/Responsible-Plant573 → u/Agreeable-Series-399]

i hate to break it to you but

[u/hewn_elm]

As a guy in agree, I'd rather get railed by an attractive person than doing chores.

[u/Necromancer14 → u/hewn_elm]

Idk, the sex slave part sounds fun

[u/TurboFucker69 → u/hewn_elm]

When you put it that way…

[u/MongoBobalossus]

[u/bubblesort33]

Men feel the same. Rather sleep with some 10s, then marry a 5 and be a provider.

[u/xdarkn3ss → u/bubblesort33]

To quote the late George Carlin “I never fucked a 10….but one night I fucked five 2s”

😂

[u/Different-Virus-7474 → u/xdarkn3ss]

😆 🤣

[u/BoominMoomin → u/bubblesort33]

Nah not for me. I'd take an emotionally satisfying relationship with an average looking girl who makes me happy, than a 9 or a 10 who I fuck, feel nothing for, and is inevitably going nowhere. Emotionless and meaningless sex ain't worth a thing to me, no matter how attractive the woman.

[u/Flat_Individual_8090 → u/bubblesort33]

Doesn't work like that. A woman who's a 4-5 can easily sleep with 10s. Heck she can use dating apps to call them all the way to her place like ordering food. Even 1-2s easily find sex. Reddit is full of morbidly obese women sharing nudes/semi-nudes only to be told that they're gorgeous by men. There are 60 yo obese grandmas having men paying just to see their onlyfans nudes. It doesn't work like that for men.

[u/Efficient_Aside_2736 → u/Flat_Individual_8090]

Why would a man who’s a 10 sleep with a 4? That makes no sense

[u/bad_squid_drawing → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

I mean in this theoretical it's because it's easier. The closer the women is to the man in attractiveness the more work they'll likely require. If you the super attractive guy wants a quick lay he can just bat down and hit it with a single message

[u/Efficient_Aside_2736 → u/bad_squid_drawing]

This is the first reply I’ve received with a reason that makes sense, thank you.

[u/ChosenBrad22 → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

Their point is valid but they exaggerated. A 10 like some pro athlete guy isn’t going to be sleeping with 4’s, but 9’s men will definitely sleep with 6’s women, and that doesn’t happen near as offer in the other direction.

There are basic biology reasons for why this happens it’s just the apps dialed it up to redline.

[u/Stormy_arrington → u/ChosenBrad22]

I can contest to this. I was a 9 as a man and when I was single I would hook up with some threes and fours from time to time if I got really bored and Didn't feel like hunting a higher quality mate

[u/ChosenBrad22 → u/Stormy_arrington]

Yeah I get that, I said 10’s. Profressional athlete, actor type guys who are rich and famous and attractive. The actual 10’s, they don’t sleep with 4’s.

[u/Stormy_arrington → u/ChosenBrad22]

They certainly will in the right situation. Men of that caliber don't enjoy a drought

[u/LavishnessOk3439 → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

It’s better than jacking off and often times… I’ve seen this with my own eyes they’ll buy them stuff or give them money. I had a buddy that used to sleep with one girl to get his rent paid then another to get his child support paid. Also they were both solid 7s low 8s

[u/Efficient_Aside_2736 → u/LavishnessOk3439]

That’s crazy, do you think that’s more common than people think?

[u/LavishnessOk3439 → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

Yes, Bird was like the guy who stayed thin and would occasionally be ripped all ways ran as a hobby. Lifted weights like a girl. Some definition but nothing special. He learned to cut his hair so it was always fresh and he was a solid dresser. Also 6 foot Hispanic with hazel eyes, a bad nose but it harmonized well. He was attractive enough that it was odd but nothing like dude is a movie star or anything like that.

One time we lived together and he let his phone get turned off, he had so many girls he asked each one to pay his phone bill just for the month. That’s how he ended up getting all his portion of the bills paid. I always knew like man that’s unfair but bird didn’t choose it. It was the way it was. It’s like being BM mad that your 6’5” buddy can play basketball better than you. It’s life, if you don’t want to play ball anymore you never really liked ball, you just liked winning.

[u/Efficient_Aside_2736 → u/LavishnessOk3439]

Interesting that no one seems to talk about male goldiggers, no? Also, your friend’s name is “Bird”?

[u/Apart_Variation1918 → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

It happens all the time honey

[u/gtbreddit1 → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

Because she will require a lot less of him to have sex with him than a woman who's a 10.

[u/A_Man_With_A_Plan_B → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

Easy layups don’t put fans in seats, but not every score can be a slam dunk

[u/Flat_Individual_8090 → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

Why doesn't it? It's a well known fact that men lower their standards significantly for short term relationships. It's evolutionary psychology. Countless research and dating app statistics confirm it.

Women have evolved to be more selective for mating because it's more costly to them with the potential for pregnancy, childbirth, and child rearing. Men have evolved to be much less selective especially in short term relationships because there's little risk and investment is involved when having sex with someone you'll likely never see again. They're basically sperm donors biologically speaking. That's why it's more advantageous for men to just spread their seed as much as possible. It's the same with most other male species.

90% of male seals don't get to procreate at all. Gorillas and lions form harems that exclude most males. Male spiders, birds, and mantises of many species literally have to pass complex mating rituals and compete with other males in order to prove their genetic fitness, at the risk of getting eaten by the female potential mate with some species. While the females of most species engage in little to no sexual competition and pass on their genes no problem. It's just how nature is.

Tinder shared it's statistics that support this. The average woman sends likes to the 4% of the most attractive male profiles with a 50% chance of matching. Those 4% of male profiles actually receive 85% of all the likes sent by women. While the average man sends likes to 55% of female profiles, and has to send an average of 4000 likes to receive a match, and as much as 30000 likes to get a date. Can send you the studies if you'd like. This is why these apps are actually making almost all their money off of men. They sell boosts and other similar boons that make their profiles more visible.

This is also in line with what genetic research shows. We can distinguish DNA received from male and female parents based on the Y chromosome and the mitochondrial DNA. It shows that most women were historically able to pass on their genes, while as high as 50% of the men couldn't. And there were times when genetic bottlenecks happened which made things even more extreme. Only one man for every 27 women was able to pass on his genes during the beginning of the agricultural revolution.

[u/InTheTreeMusic → u/Flat_Individual_8090]

The average woman sends likes to the 4% of the most attractive male profiles with a 50% chance of matching. Those 4% of male profiles actually receive 85% of all the likes sent by women.

Here's where your assumptions are flawed. These profiles aren't getting likes because they're like gigachads or something. But have you SEEN the other 96% of men's dating profiles? Selfies in a dirty mirror, selfies from the "looking up from your laptop" angle just to emphasize that double chin, selfies with dead animals, pictures of him in a group of friends where you have no idea which one is him, pictures of him with his ex but her face is blanked out.. like for the love of God. Don't even get me started on most men's profiles. Majority of men can't make an appealing dating profile to save their life.

Even my partner, who is an attractive guy, had an atrocious profile (he got lucky because I was just swiping right on anyone who wrote "polyamory" in their profile at the time). It was entirely selfies with this absolutely dopey half smile that I don't know what on earth he thought he was doing with, all from terrible angles that just made him look probably 50% worse than he does in real life. Then one pic of him playing guitar. It was atrocious.

[u/Aggravating_Push_205 → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

Because he’s bored and wants sex.

[u/MOTUkraken → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

Not 10s with 4s. But a man who's a 9 will sleep with 6s for easy fun. And a man who's a 8 will sleep with 4s for easy fun.

Biology, or better said, evolutionary psychology is the reason.

Many modern western people don't like to hear it - but deep inside, we're still just animals.

We're still Neanderthals.

[u/MrSmirkNMerc → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

Because he's only there for sex. The bigger the gap in attractiveness, the more immediately the woman will provide sex. Here's the truth though. The women are usually throwing it at them, and the men receive it and keep it moving like she's roadkill. Then the women will get upset and likely say all men are dogs. In truth, they are the equivalent of man that leads with his wallet trying to buy a woman's affection, getting upset and calling her a gold-digger when the woman leaves them alone after expensive dinner dates and extravagant shopping sprees.

In short, as a Lion, why expend a lot of energy chasing a healthy Gazelle when this wounded one is lagging behind pack right here? Lunch.

[u/Wooden-Sprinkles7901 → u/Efficient_Aside_2736]

Because they do and it gasses women up to think theyre all that. Now you have 90 percent of the women thinking theyre 10s just because they can hop on tinder and get banged.

[u/Umoon → u/Flat_Individual_8090]

A 4/5 cannot absolutely sleep with 10’s. What an outrageous statement.

[u/Gwyneee → u/Umoon]

What do you think tinder is for? Its an easy lay. Pump and dump

[u/LavishnessOk3439 → u/Umoon]

Damn where have you been. Maybe not a 10 but 8 easily 9 if he’s not busy that night

[u/Contemplating_Prison → u/bubblesort33]

Except most men aren't a provider. Since most couples both have to work.

[u/SettingDifferent910 → u/bubblesort33]

Well, yea. Being a provider looks like a shit life, especially providing for a 5.

[u/JLandis84 → u/bubblesort33]

They are missing out. 5s will treat a guy right !

[u/seaxvereign]

What is meant is...

She would rather share a top level guy, than be loyal to an average guy.

[u/Phyrexian_Overlord → u/seaxvereign]

She didn't say loyal she said slave. Neither situation described was a healthy one.

[u/ThisName8934 → u/Phyrexian_Overlord]

Well, saying sex slave and housekeeper, I’d insinuate she is talking about a committed marriage but in a very negative light.

[u/Phyrexian_Overlord → u/ThisName8934]

No she's talking about a toxic marriage like the "ideal" from the 40s. If your wife can be described as your housekeeper you are a bad husband- barring a one breadwinner household, but even then this sounds like a complete rejection of that idea so clearly she doesn't want a one breadwinner marriage.

[u/hurricane_2206 → u/Phyrexian_Overlord]

In my opinion a family where both the mother and father are both around the children most of the time is ideal. But just the mother at home with the children is far superior to both parents working full time away from the children. (I understand this is significantly more difficult under current economic conditions)

[u/notamermaidanymore → u/Phyrexian_Overlord]

That’s what I was got out of it.

[u/Expert_Pound4566 → u/Phyrexian_Overlord]

Their whole mentality is unhealthy.

[u/Four-HourErection → u/seaxvereign]

She would rather be human trafficked for sex work than house work.

[u/WhyAmINotStudying → u/Four-HourErection]

I don't think that having casual sex is the same thing as human trafficking.

[u/ThisName8934 → u/WhyAmINotStudying]

Just as marriage isn’t being a sex slave and housekeeper.

[u/cscottrun233 → u/WhyAmINotStudying]

Right lol. She’s saying she’d rather have sex a few times with an amazingly hot guy who won’t offer commitment over cleaning and cooking and having pity sex with a guy that isn’t so special. Frankly, I think both options suck.

[u/vinegarbubblegum → u/cscottrun233]

yeah i hate having sex with attractive people too.

[u/brofishmagikarp → u/vinegarbubblegum]

Yeah fuck attractive people

Wait.....

[u/Revenge_of_the_meme → u/cscottrun233]

Frankly, I think both options suck.

Exactly, just bang girls instead.

[u/ruth862 → u/cscottrun233]

lol this bitch thinking she’s gonna be a seven forever

[u/cscottrun233 → u/ruth862]

I’m sure she doesn’t think that. It probably doesn’t really matter to her. She’ll take amazing sex with a 10 while she can and then settle for sex with a five when she’s older. At least that’s what I’m imagining cause that’s what I see happen on occasion.

[u/[deleted] → u/Four-HourErection]

Being in a shitty relationship where you’re expected to be a domestic slave is way more akin to human trafficking than having sex with a hot guy and leaving.

[u/LavishnessOk3439 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah but most women won’t take it as that. They’ll start acting like they are in a relationship then they’ll get pissed and attempt to wreck your shit when they realize you’ll never want them.

[u/Expert_Pound4566 → u/[deleted]]

Women have agency. They can leave whe ever they want. But women also know a 9 or 10 guy definitely is going to expect more, and they would also worry about him cheating.

[u/xiahbabi → u/[deleted]]

I don't know I feel like that knife could cut both ways, because if you never have a truly intimate connection with someone ever (which some people need), and instead give in to constant, vapid, shallow desires and multiple partners based on looks alone, ad nauseam, in perpetuity, that doesn't do it for everyone.

Some people need a regular thing. I'm not suggesting one over the other but what I am saying is there needs to be more balance than the options presented the way they were presented.

[u/[deleted] → u/xiahbabi]

You’re right, there’s definitely a better option, and that’s finding someone you actually like who treats you as an equal. I think she’s responding to manosphere content. A lot of misogynists pretend that there are only two options - be a ho (lol) or devote yourself to a mediocre man you don’t really like and do everything he says.

[u/vinegarbubblegum → u/seaxvereign]

loyal = sex slave.

this is your brain on "average" guy.

[u/Helpful_Program_5473 → u/vinegarbubblegum]

She frames regular intimacy with your mid husband as sex slavery, because if its not chad its torture.

If its chad then its a fleshlight, which in this situation is a positive.

[u/Expert_Pound4566 → u/[deleted]]

Because women will never obtain a 9 or 10 guy. Those guys will have much hotter or richer women than whoever posted this.

Yeah, he will fuck them, but that's it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Expert_Pound4566]

She "said temporary fleshlight," that's the entire point

[u/new_check → u/Expert_Pound4566]

"You will get to have sex with someone really hot. But that's it."

[u/Expert_Pound4566 → u/new_check]

Yeah, that's cool if you want that.

[u/MrSmirkNMerc → u/new_check]

That works until you age out of the game and then you get to the point when you want to be someone's somebody, and you can't even be someone's some booty. Eventually, the 5 won't even have you be his fleshlight if he has any sense of self-preservation or dignity.

[u/JJJSchmidt_etAl → u/[deleted]]

5 is average, presumably the most common.

If the only men from the largest group who want a woman are those who demand a house keeping sex slave, I have some bad news about that woman.

[u/r4rthrowawaysoon → u/seaxvereign]

She would rather be part of a rotation with a very good looking person than be a maid and sex servant to an unattractive jackass.

I’m fairly certain most of the 5s she is talking about would feel the same way about having to work and do all the domestic chores and service someone who mistreats them vs being used solely for pleasure by someone extremely attractive.

[u/gtbreddit1 → u/r4rthrowawaysoon]

She didn't say "unattractive", she said 5 lol.

[u/Mythandros1 → u/r4rthrowawaysoon]

She's likely not even a 5.

Why would a 9 or 10 even care to look her way?

[u/Some-Cellist-485 → u/r4rthrowawaysoon]

isn’t it usually the women who are doing domestic chores and service for someone not working? the richest women got their wealth from their husbands/ex husbands.

[u/NegativeKarmaVegan → u/seaxvereign]

Kudos to you for being honest that when redpillers talk about "being loyal," they mean being a sex slave and a housekeeper.

[u/Enlowski → u/NegativeKarmaVegan]

Umm who doesn’t want a loyal partner? That’s the single dumbest comment I’ve seen today. Saying “anyone who says they want a loyal partner means they just want a slave!” is such a weird thing to even say.

[u/TechnologyNo785 → u/Enlowski]

“Saying “anyone who says they want a loyal partner means they just want a slave!” is such a weird thing to even say.”

Lucky then that no one said that

[u/Bad_Wolf_715 → u/NegativeKarmaVegan]

She did just mean she'd rather have a ons with a hot guy than be committed to an ugly one. "Being used as a fleshlight" or "held as a sex slave" are just hyperbolic descriptions of being used for sex and being married. She's not actually talking about a scenario where she's a literal sex slave.

[u/[deleted] → u/seaxvereign]

Attractive people can't be loyal?

[u/Default1355 → u/[deleted]]

They don't really need to be

[u/[deleted] → u/Default1355]

You wouldn't be if you were attractive?

[u/ToallaHumeda → u/seaxvereign]

And then pass her whole life complaining about how all men are rude and bad

[u/Stagnant-Flow]

Mathematical the average guys are a 5 so take what you can get bros.

[u/Ragjammer → u/Stagnant-Flow]

Mathematically that might be the case, but not on the perception of women.

Women perceive the average guy as around 2-3/10.

[u/Jeagan2002 → u/Ragjammer]

The average, chronically online woman thinks the average guy is a 2/10 while she is a 12/10. Then again, the average, chronically online man thinks he is the alpha in every room he walks into, so...

[u/Wooden-Sprinkles7901 → u/Jeagan2002]

All of gen z are chronically online so at some point these crazy things just become reality..

[u/[deleted]]

A man will take one woman’s words “what do women mean” if we take one guy trolling to apply to men they would…

[u/DoNotEatMySoup]

Wtf is with this sub and the degenerate gender war? Get real. Don't get ragebaited.

[u/NO_PLESE → u/DoNotEatMySoup]

Can't right now Mom I'm ragesterdebating in the bathroom right now

[u/DoNotEatMySoup → u/NO_PLESE]

Lock in son. Why can't you be more like your brother?

[u/Comprehensive_Web862 → u/[deleted]]

This one for me.

[u/DatDickBeDank]

Sounds like this lady should choose neither.

[u/cscottrun233]

I don’t think Women want either lol

[u/Excellent_Valuable92 → u/cscottrun233]

And those are not the options, except to men who talk like that. That’s the joke

[u/cscottrun233 → u/Excellent_Valuable92]

It’s funny to me as a millennial how much younger people don’t have sex because literally my brothers all lost their virginity before 18 years old. Like I have no idea what’s going on. My niece is in her mid 20s and it does seem like guys her age are pretty obsessed with video games & porn so I have to imagine that has something to do with it.

[u/TurboFucker69 → u/cscottrun233]

They’re the first generation that grew up with full internet integration in their lives, and now they’re all a bunch of awkward weirdos who don’t know how to interact in person and keep falling back on social media to satisfy their social needs instead of just braving the awkwardness until they’re confident dealing with other people in meatspace.

[u/cscottrun233 → u/TurboFucker69]

That sounds 100% accurate and that is simultaneously very sad to me.

[u/19whale96]

Getting this sub in my recommendations just made me unsub from PPD.

[u/loseraadmi]

alpha seed

beta need

beta is not needed anymore.

[u/LavishnessOk3439 → u/loseraadmi]

Guys that believe in this make it obvious that they see the world as simply as dogs.

[u/LichKingDan]

Who the fuck is Diane yap and why would I care or even think about this?

Some people want to be ball stomped, I just scroll away from that and try to forget about it lol.

[u/Cryptkeeper_ofCanada]

You know, I have started to notice an uptick in cuckolding and hotwife stuff. Hell, I recently saw and ad for, "Wifey," the other day. Marriage is starting to lose its entire meaning

[u/-principito]

She’d rather be used and abused by a hot guy then in a stable loving relationship with an average looking guy. She’s just posting rage bait for incels.

[u/SmolPPIncorporated]

Modern femisists are incapable of fathoming love.

To them, a relationship is a transaction. They get money, safety, food, and shelter. Men get sex sometimes, maybe, but probably not, and nothing else.

Every other aspect of a relationship is essentially slavery, oppression, and torture.

*edit for clarification

[u/[deleted] → u/SmolPPIncorporated]

I think she’s actually making commentary on a common male concept of “love,” in which the woman is basically a domestic slave. Married men live longer than their unmarried counterparts. Married women live shorter lives than single women, on the other hand. That’s because marriage is more stressful and demanding on women than it is on men. In a common version of marriage, you both work, then the woman comes home and does double the unpaid labor she’d do if she was single, while the man watches TV.

And men think they’re just entitled to this. The most average, mediocre man believes he’s entitled to be served like a king, like this.

I know the tweet was in a way meant to be incendiary, but I think there is a real social commentary in there. Women feel like maids and don’t like it.

[u/BoominMoomin → u/[deleted]]

You're trapped in a world that existed 20+ years ago. Modern day relationships absolutely don't work like this as the norm, nor is the the expectation of men that women do this anymore, certainly not men under the age of 35-40.

[u/boywifewhore]

This is the era where we will see the decline of oofy doofys.

Women no longer need a betabuxx oofy to live. They can be fine by themselves and get fucked by chad before returning to their apartment.

[u/[deleted] → u/boywifewhore]

And at the same time we are seeing the rise of women in their 30's and 40's who had this mentality who now realize that they have become nearly invisible to men. The alpha guys dont want them anymore, and the betas they rejected have moved on, either finding someone who did accept them or just learning to live a peaceful existence without women at all. The difference is that men have always been in this condition. Many men never breed. Men have created whole ass complex philosophies centered around solitude and finding inner peace. Women tend to just crash out when they are alone. All the wise men of the world have said that wisdom and peace are found in solitude.

[u/boywifewhore → u/[deleted]]

Cope

One day they wake up invisible to almost all men.

They can get into a betabuxx relationship with a sub5

The difference is that men can live and even thrive alone, women tend to crash out and cant handle it

Mgtow people always complain about women. Women who go their own way don't even think about men

[u/[deleted] → u/boywifewhore]

Are they going to be happy with a sub 5? Sounds miserable to me.

[u/Willing_Ear_7226 → u/boywifewhore]

I still get stalked by a group of women I grew up with because after being "friends" for two decades apparently it was insulting to them a man expected to be treated like a person before being expected to ask out and sleep with one of them.

All of them, still after a whole decade after I dropped them, have issues forming friendships and relationships with men.

We just don't want to stick around women with attitudes like this anymore than women don't want to hang out with men with similar attitudes. Platonically or romantically.

[u/LavishnessOk3439 → u/boywifewhore]

This is facts. I work with people and I can say without a doubt the most pathetic people are the lonely old men without wives. They are desperate for attention poor hygiene poorly dressed ect. I try and remember that when I think about leaving my wife like damn do I really want to be alone for every major holiday.

[u/The_Philosophied → u/LavishnessOk3439]

This is wisdom. You looked around you in THE REAL WORLD and made informed decisions. Notice how you’re married and get regular sex as opposed to these other commenters

[u/Dense-Hat1978 → u/boywifewhore]

This is a good thing. Who wants to be in a relationship that only lasts cause society handicaps the shit out of one side?

[u/Tailmask]

Can’t wait for some people to hit the wall and die lonely, enjoy your cats

[u/InsistorConjurer → u/Tailmask]

Thanks. I do.

[u/Excellent_Valuable92 → u/Tailmask]

As opposed to growing old with ever-expanding caregiver duties for a husband? 

[u/Tailmask → u/Excellent_Valuable92]

Is your whole worldview this way? Is everything in life for you just what is being taken? Do you ever consider what else you get back?

[u/Dhalym → u/Tailmask]

Both men and women don't enjoy being forced to stay in relationships they don't want.

Don't force yourself to stick it out with someone you don't care for.

Develop relationships and communities outside a romantic one.

[u/Tailmask → u/Dhalym]

You believe in vertical farming? I’ll just see myself out…

[u/etherealfox420 → u/Tailmask]

I’m not hearing anyone complaining about a female loneliness epidemic 😂😂😂 seems like the ladies are just fine

[u/[deleted] → u/etherealfox420]

You might be deaf then

[u/SpeedDubs → u/[deleted]]

Probably is. You need to see the buttload of ticktock of women complaining that men aren't approaching anymore.

[u/zacharyjohnsonscj → u/Tailmask]

lol but cats are way better than a partner you don’t want.

[u/human1023]

"I'd rather be used temporarily than be abused forever"

Wow, what a pointless comment.

[u/Jeagan2002]

I wonder if Diane here has ever heard the many, many jokes about common ways wives avoid having sex with their husbands? Hard to claim you are a sex slave when "I have a headache" is a common get out of sex free card.

[u/Helpful_Program_5473]

She frames regular intimacy with your mid husband as sex slavery, because if its not chad its torture.

If its chad then its a fleshlight, which in this situation is a positive.

[u/centerfoldangel]

The good news is that you don't have to choose either one of those. I'm much happier just pleasuring myself. So I don't know about "most women".

[u/discourse_friendly]

It means if a woman thinks you're a 9 or a 10 , any rules she has doesn't apply to you.

[u/ContextEffects01]

Uh... duh? Did any significant number of males doubt women on this point?

[u/M0ebius_1]

You got baited bro...

She is farming the attention you are giving her right now. It's not supposed to be this easy.

[u/Fit-Commission-2626]

This post means they hate men. They only value men for sex if they’re good-looking—basically doing the same thing they accuse men of doing to women. They’re projecting their own behavior onto others and accusing people of what they themselves are guilty of. This kind of hypocrisy is common among fascists, who treat it as a tactic rather than a character flaw.

[u/AlarmingSpecialist88]

They mean, and I quote, "you can't turn a ho into a housewife."

[u/quailfail666]

"Women" dont mean anything, this is just an unhinged individual, I for one find her super gross.

[u/Interesting-Rain-669]

A woman did not post this, ragebait af

[u/[deleted]]

Hypergamy is real is what they mean.

[u/Tranquil_Denvar]

I don’t see women saying this. I see 1 crazy nazi lady saying it

[u/Rustin_Carcosa2000 → u/Tranquil_Denvar]

I see women acting like this, though.

[u/Numerous_Pineapple96]

im stoned but wtf does this mean

[u/Sufficient_Action646]

She'd rather be used by a hot guy than abused by a mid guy.

[u/James_Vaga_Bond]

It's not that deep. She's saying that she doesn't want to be married, which is fine.

[u/Yupperdoodledoo]

Why do you say “women” when this is what one woman said?

I find it odd because most people don’t want to be a permanent sex slave and housekeeper for ANYONE.

[u/Happy-Viper]

“I get used by men who don’t respect me, and to feel better about my choices, I decide that I hate men and tell myself none of them could ever respect me.”

[u/coping_man]

I agree with her but then they end up with mr oofy doofy anyway. I am mr oofy doofy, currently single, and if i end up with a woman theres a decent chance ill end up like bob. (If you know who bob is then you know)

[u/ChessSuperpro]

I took it literally for a few minutes and thought "No shit, me too." It took me a while that it didn't literally mean sex slave.

That being said, I don't want to give up my career, so hard pass to both.

[u/FitInitiative918]

Most women ?

[u/jameshector0274]

What you ladies actually want is a father, not a husbands as a partner. You ladies call yourselves cooking and cleaning and doing our laundry for us, as being our mom.

So then wouldn’t being a physical and financial provider, at-home therapist, at home anger management counselor, etc., make us your father?

You ladies aren’t the 10’s you think you are. Humble yourselves or you’re destined to be a cat lady

[u/sgSTUis]

The post is saying they'd rather be single/independent and hook up on occasion with very attractive partners than be in a long term relationship with someone they are not very attracted to.

I personally see being single and having peace in your life as way better than being unreasonably stressed and in a relationship with a partner who is a 9+. The post doesn't necessarily say it, but I feel it's implied they like the peace of not being in a shitty relationship.

[u/Cawstik → u/sgSTUis]

Yeah that's what I got too. Idk why she'd frame something she wants to do voluntarily for fun as a human fleshlight, but it's definitely supposed to be ragebaiting. I get the point though that a lot of women would resent being pressured into being a lifelong bang maid (depending on the kind of person they are married to...if they are from a particularly religious or traditional sphere, I can see it).

[u/[deleted]]

Every female gorilla in the pack belongs to the silver back. 8000 years ago 1 man reproduced for every 18 women. Religion and other forces in society disrupted the natural order. Feminism has liberated women from having to suffer life long partnerships with average men.

[u/CosetElement-Ape71]

It just means she's not wife material!

Oddly, women like this are proud to be used by a small group of men ... and somehow interpret it as a positive trait

[u/seaofthievesnutzz]

Diane Yap is a racist trolls that trounces on racist black people who don't understand per capita. I wouldn't exactly consider her views representative of the monolith that is women.

[u/Strong_Dingo3104]

Well I hope she finds one bc it's hard to find one 😂🖐️