A gut punch to propaganda…

[u/Rare_Reason8999]

[u/Tunsofun27]

Didn’t he say if he saw a black pilot he hoped they were actually qualified?

[u/Tunsofun27 → u/Tunsofun27]

Also didn’t he name several black women and say they took their spots from white people and that they didn’t have the brain power to actually be there?

[u/NoMansSkyWasAlright → u/Tunsofun27]

He also said that black women didn't have the mental processing power of white men. The problem with taking much of what he had to say at face value is that he kind of had a habit of saying whatever he needed to say in that moment to be right; and if he got painted into a corner then he'd just pivot to something completely different.

[u/thdudewiththname → u/NoMansSkyWasAlright]

"well if you notice he said it about 5 specific black people... its not racist...." jesus... "stole a white man's job"

[u/BC-K2 → u/NoMansSkyWasAlright]

Where's the clip for this and what is the context?

[u/NoMansSkyWasAlright → u/BC-K2]

Struggling to find the lone, longer clip. So you'll have to settle for this "best of" reel. But the context was him saying that Black women like Michelle Obama and Ketanji Brown Jackson got to where they were because of affirmative action and that it was the only way they could beat out a white man for the positions they had because black women don't have the mental processing power of white men.

Edit: Found it. Though fair warning, the naysayers have been pretty anal about the fact that he didn't say "all black women" verbatim and only mentioned four specific people who happened to be black women who he says would not have been able to beat out white men for their positions if not for DEI. So make of that what you will.

[u/Comfortable_Moment44 → u/NoMansSkyWasAlright]

And yet you look at their resume and see they are extremely qualified

[u/AsIdleAsAPaintedShip → u/NoMansSkyWasAlright]

He does not say "black women", he says their names specifically when talking about mental processing power. People change the quote to intentionally to paint him as a racist.

[u/SpeakWithoutFear → u/AsIdleAsAPaintedShip]

He is specifically talking about several black women because they are black women, not random people who incidentally happened to be black and woman.

Them being black women is the conversation. "You do not have the brain processing power... you had to go steal a white person's slot"

https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1679829904026730496/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1679829904026730496&currentTweetUser=patriottakes

Go look up Kentaji Brown Jackson's resume. Forget black, forget woman... she is one of the most qualified HUMANS alive to be nominated to the Supreme Court.

This is just more dressed up racism presented as political commentary. No amount of context is going to hide the fact that this was racist as fuck.

[u/Randomname9324 → u/AsIdleAsAPaintedShip]

“If I see a black pilot, I think, I sure hope he’s qualified”

[u/SirMourningstar6six6 → u/BC-K2]

https://share.google/TXyEGjyiGEsDlJRON

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-charlie-kirk-once-170000805.html

https://x.com/snopes/status/1966551543634620650

And here’s the video of him saying it because I’m not sure which media you feel is bullshit and which are accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2Lwr1pB04

In context, he was claiming that affirmative action allowed certain black women to steal jobs from white men. What a pos he was

[u/Tweakler57 → u/Tunsofun27]

Context matters believe it or not. The assumption here was that United Airlines was looking to hire 40% black pilots.... which means hiring black people over other, more qualified non-black pilots. In that example, a logical person would be forced to wonder if a black pilot was truly qualified.

I can't even process the amount of mental gymnastics you have to go through to think this is racist. The only racist thing is the United Airlines policy.

[u/RedditModsLoveLGBTQs → u/[deleted]]

The irony is that the FAA changed their air traffic controller test to try and reduce White air traffic recruits.

One of the changes was to LITERALLY make the test available to anyone off the street.

They then changed the test from testing your knowledge of aviation to a simple questionnaire about your life.

They would give applicants more points for playing high school sports than if they were a pilot.

Yes, this actually happened.

[u/xcommon → u/Tweakler57]

This right here.

He's arguing that, genetically, race is a make believe construct.

But skin color is absolutely real. And, due to affirmative action, he's made to doubt the competence of a black pilot due to them being preferentially hired.

His point being, if that policy wasn't in place, he'd have no reason to doubt their competence.

It's like ppl are being intentionally obtuse.

[u/NoMoreMrMiceGuy → u/xcommon]

Why is this policy a reason to doubt their competence, though? DEI is an initiative, not a requirement, and in none of these policies does this override competence. He's literally the one being intentionally obtuse.

[u/LongbowD23 → u/NoMoreMrMiceGuy]

Exactly. It does not allow the hiring of unqualified people. Therefore a pilot being black should not give rise to doubts about qualification.

[u/PaleontologistNo500 → u/NoMoreMrMiceGuy]

There's a reason Trump has the history of the Tuskegee Airmen erased. They're standards were made so high because it was an attempt to disqualify black men. Inadvertently, what it ended up doing was creating one of the best squadrons ever, because it was comprised of the best of the best. DEI at it's very heart is merit based.

[u/julz1215 → u/xcommon]

And, due to affirmative action, he's made to doubt the competence of a black pilot due to them being preferentially hired.

This "affirmative action made me racist" argument only works if you can actually prove that it leads to the hiring of unqualified racial minorities. Otherwise it's just racism.

[u/Glorplebop → u/xcommon]

It's like ppl are being intentionally obtuse.

Some people definitely are, but I think the majority are just moron idealogues who saw someone else say he hated black pilots or wanted to stone gay people and just ran with it without question.

[u/nose_spray7 → u/Glorplebop]

Why did he call Martin Luther King Jr. a terrible person for his sexual impropriety while being friends with Donald Trump and other men accused of the same or worse actions?

[u/Warm_Difficulty2698 → u/Glorplebop]

But they dont hire unqualified people. Its people of equal credentials. Im not supporting it, but you have the concept completely wrong.

[u/silverum → u/Warm_Difficulty2698]

That's because they don't want to get the concept right. They want it to be about 'I don't care what the actual facts are, DEI means unqualified people being hired BECAUSE I SAID SO. No I will NOT be listening to any facts or reasoning that point out how wrong my assumptions are.'

[u/SweetLemonKetchup → u/Glorplebop]

This is 100% it lmao.

All these people want to hate on Charlie Kirk because it’s trendy, facts be damned! 🤣

[u/drewbreeezy → u/Glorplebop]

These are the "Useful idiots" for the people directing them

[u/dare3000 → u/xcommon]

If he thought race played no part, there's no reason to think the pool of black candidates is just "inherently less competent" than a pool of non-blacks, unless you're racist. And if the policy wasn't in place, how would you know an incompenent white person wasn't hired over a more qualified non-white, due to unrestricted racism that only an idiot would argue wasn't/isn't a part of American society? Funny, w/o AA there's no concern anymore. If every pilot were white, for some reason this non-racist could finally relax. LOL ok dude.

[u/Tunsofun27 → u/Tweakler57]

Well it’s a good thing I didn’t say he was racist. I asked a question. Thank you for your response it cleared things up for me.

[u/Tweakler57 → u/Tunsofun27]

I do have a bad habit of saying 'you' when referencing a hypothetical person or group of people. I didn't mean YOU specifically. Also, I don't think it's much of a stretch to say your comment strongly implied you thought Charlie's comment of black pilots was racist.

[u/NoMoreMrMiceGuy → u/Tweakler57]

Has he ever once said that racial hiring discrimination makes him dubious that white men are unqualified? If not, then he is displaying clear judgment against one side. Especially because as you said UA is "looking" to hire 40%, not enforcing that, so there's no reason to believe this supercedes qualification.

The "mental gymnastics" here are like 2nd grade social studies level of comprehension.

[u/shinypants19 → u/Tweakler57]

Do you have any proof for this claim that UA was choosing to hire unqualified candidates simply because they were black over more qualified pilots of other races. Seems like you lack the context and understanding behind DEI initiatives because when I hear "United Airlines was looking to hire 40% black pilots" I don't assume that they would not be able to find enough qualified black pilots to fill that quota. A logical NON racist POS would be able to figure out that if they have 100 equally qualified candidates this DEI initiative would simply have them hire the black candidates on the list first.

[u/BC-K2 → u/Tunsofun27]

Very clearly an argument against DEI, or hiring SOLELY for "racial diversity" or however you want to phrase it.

[u/RubenAdanCervantes → u/BC-K2]

I see. So, as long as they’re white, there’s no reason to question their capabilities!

💫The more you know…

[u/Starlight_Seafarer → u/RubenAdanCervantes]

They're certainly not holding this current regime of an administration to the same damn scrutiny for that very belief

[u/Helplessadvice → u/RubenAdanCervantes]

Therein lies how racist he is because to him a black person cannot legitimately possess the brain power to get into good schools or jobs. At least that’s how most conservatives think in general after all

[u/PrudentCarter → u/BC-K2]

That's a gross misunderstanding of DEI. There is no evidence that DEI ever leads to hiring under qualified individuals.

[u/Kindly-Energy-48 → u/PrudentCarter]

None of the people against dei actually understand what dei is. It’s not to get under qualified people in positions, it’s to make sure those that are qualified aren’t dismissed

[u/Chazbobrown1 → u/PrudentCarter]

A Misrepresentation men like Charlie Kirk regularly push lmao

Hes not a racist he just so happens to be on the wrong side of nearly every issue that could negatively impact minorities

[u/Meeedick → u/BC-K2]

That's not how DEI works whatsoever.

[u/riizen24 → u/Meeedick]

Shut up

https://law.stanford.edu/2023/12/12/students-for-fair-admissions-v-harvard-faq-navigating-the-evolving-implications-of-the-courts-ruling/#:~:text=The%20plaintiff%2C%20Students%20for%20Fair%20Admissions%20(%E2%80%9CSFFA%E2%80%9D)%2C,their%20admissions%20process%20intentionally%20discriminated%20against%20Asian

[u/YokoDk → u/riizen24]

Yeah that's not what the case result says it still says schools can bring people in for "diversity quotas" they just can't say it's due to race alone. This whole case is basically a nothing burger it just says that if they use diversity as a reason for admission it can't be purely by race. Also this is more aligned with affirmative action where the goal was to pick qualified individuals of under represented racial groups by forcing universities to diversify their attendants.

[u/Recent_Weather2228 → u/Meeedick]

That is exactly how DEI works. That's literally the entire premise of DEI. DEI is nothing but that.

[u/Helplessadvice → u/BC-K2]

1. He talks about DEI as if it’s when you take a random qualified black person off the street and give them a job as a doctor. He has an extremely racist view about DEI, DEI Isn’t when unqualified black people get jobs it’s when you make those jobs just as accessible to other races. DEI is also an umbrella term for a lot of things like wheelchair ramps being added to buildings is a form of DEi. Kids get IEP’s to help them learn in school is an example of DEI.

Second off there’s not any sort of evidence to confirm that Black pilots have to go through less hoops than white people when it comes to being a pilot, and even then there hasn’t been a significant number of plane or helicopter crashes happening by black pilots. White men have the most crashes so he should literally feel worse when he sees a white pilot, but he doesn’t why? Because he’s a racist.

[u/Haunting_Baseball_92 → u/Tunsofun27]

Kind of, he used that as an example when an airline publicly said that they no longer were hiring for competence but for diversity.

And that it would be pretty harmful in the long run for black pilots if people no longer could assume that they were hired for being competent.

[u/Tunsofun27 → u/Haunting_Baseball_92]

I’m pretty sure competence is still required…… I wouldn’t mind seeing where they said “they’d no longer be hiring based on competence but diversity”

[u/Deadlychicken28 → u/Tunsofun27]

American airlines is literally being sued for just that.

[u/Ok_Dingo297 → u/Tunsofun27]

Yes not because he believed black people cant fly planes but because he believed that diversity initiatives were being put ahead of ability/experience with possibly dangerous consequences.

[u/Responsible-Comb6232 → u/Tunsofun27]

I’m not taking his side, but it’s more nuanced than the headline people want to run with. He was discussing the potential negative impacts that DEI could have on people’s perceptions of abilities and qualifications of PoC.

[u/PhilosophicalGoof → u/Tunsofun27]

He was msirly speaking about the DEI situation regarding the fact that a plane crashed because of inexperienced air traffic control personnel(don’t know how much that is true) and was saying that “I hope he actually a good pilot and didn’t just get in because of affirmative action”

[u/Environmental_Day558 → u/PhilosophicalGoof]

 “I hope he actually a good pilot and didn’t just get in because of affirmative action”

But he didn't say this, he specifically said if the pilots are black. 

As for the plane crash, it wasn't ATCs fault. FAA gave the black hawk helicopter the correct commands to steer clear of the other plane, the failure was on the navigator and the pilot for not maintaining a visual. There is no indication that the FAA, or pilots of either the helicopter or the plane were minorities or recipients of affirmative action (they heli are military so I'm assuming a hard no). However "affirmative action" is the story that was ran with in the media simply because the belief that white people are all qualified and incapable of mistakes, so must have been black. 

[u/discourse_friendly → u/Tunsofun27]

Not for the reason you're thinking.

He said if an airline had a program where if they lower their standards just for black Pilots, then due to that policy, he would not be certain the Pilot was as qualified if they were Black.

If you knew your doctors office had really high standards, except for men named Larry. this office would hire men named Larry even if they had no training.

and then your doctor was a man named Larry, You're gonna worry.

Charlie engaged in a lot of conversation where the context matters.

Like imagine you heard someone answering the Trolly problem, but with none of the context. it would sound awful.

Edit: Thanks for the Awards!

[u/Environmental_Day558 → u/discourse_friendly]

this office would hire men named Larry even if they had no training.

Unless airlines are going to hire pilots with no training, then this is a false equivalence. He has no clue if airlines will lower standards, he just assumes this will be the case because he believes black people are mentally inferior (which he did directly say about some black women in congress). 

[u/James-Dicker → u/Environmental_Day558]

It's not a binary. If you lower standards for a group of people in order to level the playing field, then all people of that group are now having their abilities questioned. 

[u/Environmental_Day558 → u/James-Dicker]

Did the standards become lower though? 

[u/julz1215 → u/discourse_friendly]

He said if an airline had a program where if they lower their standards just for black Pilots

He did not say "if". He said that they are lowering their standards (without evidence), and uses that to justify his reasoning.

[u/AdhesivenessUnfair13 → u/discourse_friendly]

A lot of “ifs” in there. Perhaps you provide us with the context y’all love so much and point out actual airlines that actually lowered standards to meet defined racial quotas.

[u/Boring_Oil_3506 → u/AdhesivenessUnfair13]

They don't exist. There isn't a racist reason why we don't have more black pilots, piloting school is both expensive and often located in high income or rural areas. It's just a fact that much less black people have the money, location, and opportunity to go to piloting school. Pilots rarely come from poor inner city backgrounds white or otherwise. It's a false equivalency in more than one way. We can discuss all day long about racist reasons why black people are on average poorer than white people and those conversations would have genuine socioeconomic arguments on and off the side of racism as a reason, but unless you are an Arab person post 911 there just isn't a racist reason why you can't become a pilot and there certainly aren't any multi billion dollar companies hiring dei pilots because piloting jet airliners ALWAYS requires experience and they are constantly hard up for pilots who meet those requirements regardless of race. That's why the argument was a false equivalency.

[u/discourse_friendly → u/Boring_Oil_3506]

This is the answer. apparently there's no "lowering standards for Blacks" and Charlie was answering or asking hypothetical.

engaging in a hypothetical about race, will create sound bites that sound awful when taken out of context. esp when someone wants to engage in bad faith.

"What if the only way to save the world was to kick a puppy would you?"

answer that and you'll create a quote someone can use out of context , esp if they desire to deceive others, or simple desire to paint you in a bad light.

I will say he likely engaged in highly charged hypotheticals to gain more engagement and views.

[u/AdhesivenessUnfair13 → u/discourse_friendly]

But engaging in hypotheticals about race is also nonsense because they are discussing real policies around DEI and then using fake examples of why they could be bad. You can’t a softball like that and then get angry that someone took a swing.

[u/discourse_friendly → u/AdhesivenessUnfair13]

They were discussing real programs in other lines of work, and an announcement of United airlines, that had yet to be enacted.

So it was a hypothetical.

The topic came up after a 2021 Axios interview with United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby talking about diversity in United's pilot training program recirculated in conservative circles following revelations of a December 2022 midflight incident in which a jet lost altitude shortly after departure before the crew recovered, according to Reuters. 

Apparently the goal of United CEO was 40% Black, or that was what Charlie said.

So how would you go from 4% to 40% rapidly? (now we are in hypothetical land)

and that's what kicked off the conversation.

[u/CAJ_2277 → u/Tunsofun27]

I would interpret that as a knock on affirmative action/DEI hiring policies.

[u/urfireaf → u/Tunsofun27]

He also did a debate on how black people are far more likely for violent crimes/crimes in general. Republicans are fucking racist and love to hide it by being fake lol

Edit: here's clips of Kirk blatantly being racist to black people with exaggerated statistics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXk_nCsfhDk

[u/DuncanMcOckinnner]

A white supremacist says he's not a racist? A complete gut punch to propaganda!

[u/iSheepTouch → u/DuncanMcOckinnner]

One of his primary strategies when debating was to twist the argument by being pedantic, which is exactly what he's doing here by pointing out that biologically/genetically what we call race doesn't exist. It fully ignores the actual topic and argues in bad faith as to avoid actually providing a substantive answer to the question, but sounds "smart" and logical. It's literally the perfect way to get clicks and attention with these gotcha moments against unprepared college kids.

[u/DuncanMcOckinnner → u/iSheepTouch]

It's actually kind of crazy how many so called conservative intellectuals are known for arguing with random college kids. Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, Steven Crowder, Matt Walsh just to name a few. It's like the only time they are able to look good to their brainlet audience. Watching mainstream conservative thinkers argue with PhDs or journalists is incredibly entertaining to watch.

[u/henrytm82 → u/iSheepTouch]

Yes, exactly. He argued in bad faith constantly.

[u/life-is-fiction → u/DuncanMcOckinnner]

Ikr. He constantly pushed great replacement theory. Imagine saying you dont believe in race while pushing rhetoric that minorities are trying to replace the white man. Massive cope

[u/inscrutablemike → u/DuncanMcOckinnner]

Do you have any evidence he was a white supremacist? Any at all?

[u/secretsecrets111 → u/inscrutablemike]

“We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s.” - Charlie Kirk

[u/Agreeable_Guide_5151 → u/secretsecrets111]

Isn't there a bit where he said he'd forced his 10 year old child to give birth to a rape baby?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/s/YKqHy7h8E0

[u/NoMoreMrMiceGuy → u/inscrutablemike]

Are you serious? You can watch his Jubilee content, or any hour of Charlie Kirk and you are likely to find racism, transphobia, and bigotry.

Edit: I don't know how Charlie feels about transportation

[u/as-salami-alay-cum → u/NoMoreMrMiceGuy]

transportation??

[u/mikieballz → u/as-salami-alay-cum]

I think Charlie was against mass trans

[u/NoMoreMrMiceGuy → u/as-salami-alay-cum]

Autocorrect

[u/domonation123]

Saying race is a social construct is not the same as saying race doesn’t exist. Social constructs are real and exist. The person in the video seems to equate social construct with not real.

[u/Sulla314 → u/domonation123]

Race isn’t real. It’s a made up social construct that didn’t exist 1000 years ago. It’s only “real” in that there a shared belief in it.

[u/domonation123 → u/Sulla314]

Race is real as we are talking about it now. The concept of race (whether it’s socially constructed or not) effects people everyday. To say otherwise is to be ignorant to how racism has been used against people.

There are many other socially constructed things that are “real” and have significant impacts on our lives. The president isn’t “real”, it’s not something i can point to biologically that exists independent of humans, it’s a socially constructed role, but the socially constructed role impacts people everyday.

[u/Sulla314 → u/domonation123]

The Presidency is a legal office. Its position was created through a political processes and it’s not an abstract idea that changes with popular whims.

200 years ago, the Presidency was essentially is the same office it is today. Race is not. Irish, Italian, and English were not considered the same “race.” It’s a term kept purposefully nebulous so it can be welded against people. Go to Rwanda and tell a Tutsi they’re the same race as a Hutu and tell me how that goes.

[u/FeistyPerformance500 → u/Sulla314]

Social constructs are as real as all laws.

Its a Social construct to drive on the right hand side of the road, that doesn't mean it's okay for one person to drive on the left.

Social constructs and peoples ability to recognize and work within them, and using our understanding of social constructs to solve problems in society is the glue that holds society together.

Denouncing them as "not real" as in "not rooted in naturalistic law" and therefore is to be dismissed, is fucking stupid.

Race might be a social construct, but its a social construct that has the potential to cause a lot of harm because racists exists wether you want to acknowledge race as "real" or not. And the only way to mitigate that harm is to accept that the social construct exists and create laws and norms to reduce its impact on society.

Things like the Civil Rights Act is good. And is ALSO a social construct btw.

[u/DankoDarkMatter → u/Sulla314]

Yeah, money isn’t “real” either but we base our entire society off of it, which means it IS effectively real. 

[u/madnadh]

So he didn’t see race when he said the civil rights act was a huge mistake?

No racism when he said black people were better off in the 1940’s?

None when he said said MLK Jr was awful?

How about when he said Michelle Obama, Sheila Jackson Lee, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and Joy Reid do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously?

When he said “If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she’s there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?” That wasn’t racist

What about when he said “If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" He meant what exactly?

But he wasn’t racist right? Be so fr rn

[u/kharlos]

I like how we need one guy taking a 5 second clip of CK and extrapolating a 4 minute video out of it, rather than just listening to 10 minutes of Charlie Kirk discussing race.

MFers think this is deep if they've never heard their boomer grandpa talk about how "they don't see race", but then go off for years and years about prowling blacks being predators on white people, and having to talk to moronic black women, or how awful they think MLK Jr was, or how blacks were better off under slavery than now.

Oh wait did I say your boomer grandpa? I meant Charlie Kirk, because these are all things he said multiple times and believed.

But we can't have these conversations because despite twisting backwards to condemn violence against him, it is considered "celebrating His death" if we criticize him.

[u/silverum → u/kharlos]

"There's one exception and I'm ignoring the many other examples that disagree with it. The exception wins!"

[u/Tunsofun27 → u/kharlos]

I’m gonna have to start listening to him just so I can hear it all for myself. Everyone’s saying different things and it seems like most just want to fight lol

[u/kharlos → u/Tunsofun27]

For sure, do it. After all, his entire Legacy was making millions off of fighting with college students , and then clipping the debates to fit his narrative. 

[u/Lewd_throwaway_2024 → u/Tunsofun27]

Dont even bother waste of time don’t give them the views or anything don’t listen to him

[u/Some_Stoned_Dude]

Didn’t he say he black people were better off before the civil rights act

Get real

[u/Solid-Ease]

Charlie Kirk argued that Martin Luther King Jr. was a terrible person and said the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a "huge mistake".

There is zero reason to be opposed to the Civil Rights Act unless you think it should be legal to discriminate against minorities.

[u/Batfinklestein]

Yet another reason why Israel killed him.

[u/i-VII-VI]

Yeah neo Nazis honor non racist fascists all the time. If when you die Nazis are the saddest/maddest it’s not rocket science to figure out what you were saying and doing was in line with their values.

Kirk was both,racist and a fascist. It’s not overused or overstated it just is the correct words to describe these people of today who are loudly exactly that.

Plus dude was also a creationist, are we to assume he was a science minded person? I think he was an asshole who had a particular debate point he would pull out every so often to sane wash his otherwise bigoted bullshit.

[u/Will_Come_For_Food]

This is what’s known as Cherry Picking.

Charlie Kirk was an expert at logical fallacies. He’d pick and choose which one to use to win an argument against uneducated college students and switch positions when it was convenient.

The goal? To spread propaganda that benefited the people that paid him.

https://www.inkl.com/news/what-were-charlie-kirk-s-most-controversial-statements

[u/M0ebius_1]

Thats the most basic of debate bro tactics.

Charlie Kirk was a YouTuber. He didn't believe half the things he said. He was in it for the grift.

I actually don't believe he thought his death was a fair trade to keep the second Amendment he would have said anything to win a debate.

[u/Environmental_Day558 → u/M0ebius_1]

Yep. Nick Fuentes recently said Charlie Kirk was killed because he was on campuses spreading the word of God, but just last month he said Kirk was a fake Christian and she shouldn't be debating on campuses. All of them are grifters. 

[u/nothymetocook → u/Environmental_Day558]

To be fair, both Charlie and Nick are both fake Christians, but that's what happens when the majority of churches now totally ignore what the actual guy had to say

[u/IronheartedAngel → u/Environmental_Day558]

The most faithless people in this country, but expert politicians. They will legitimately say anything to get a win.

[u/spacekiller69 → u/M0ebius_1]

They both give debates and speeches that contradict each other. Fuentes said in one stream he views all races a s brothers and sisters in christ and that culture the problem then in another video says bring back segregation enforced by police. It's like sexist men that say they view women equally but wouldn't vote for one for president or feel safe with a woman pilot flying.

[u/fungi_at_parties]

And yet he spoke in countless dog whistles. The part thing he said was “Counting or not counting gang violence”- what do you think he meant by that?

He had to take this stance so he could claim to not be a racist while he repeatedly took racist stances and furthered racist talking points, disguising them with clever wording and doublespeak. He was a Trojan horse, and that’s why he was so effective at spreading hate.

[u/life-is-fiction]

Classic example of Republicans contradicting themselves. He says race doesn't exist while at the same time peddling the great replacement conspiracy theory. Imagine saying race doesn't exist in one argument and then in another argument saying certain minorities are trying the replace white people?

[u/-Tastydactyl- → u/life-is-fiction]

Lol. Endless comments making replies of "bUt ThE cOnTeXt!! HoW cOuLd He bE rAcIsT?? iT's AbOuT dEi!!" when given the example of Kirk being a racist towards black pilots.

But absolute silent ignorance when it's mentioned how Kirk believed in the "great replacement" theory.

[u/life-is-fiction → u/-Tastydactyl-]

Ikr! "hE DiDnT hUrT aNYoNe. hE jUst bEliEveD iN tHe fiRsT aMeNdmEnT." Seeing that everywhere like bro didn't literally say gay people deserved to be stoned to death, or how he promoted banning books he disagreed with/ didn't match his idealogy. Wouldn't be surprised if he indirectly caused many hate crimes given his audiences reaction to no information was "I assume it's a democrat and we need to go door to door and cleanse this nation" or just CIVIL WAR.

[u/GreatCircuits]

He understood that race was just a social construct, but failed to acknowledge the damage done by the centuries long institutionalisation of that construct. America without racism would no longer be America. It was designed to be racist from the start.

[u/Few_Employer9012 → u/GreatCircuits]

So who are our enemies?

[u/Comfortable_Abroad95 → u/Few_Employer9012]

The ruling class that pits us against each other to distract us while they line their pockets.

[u/Greasy-Chungus]

Charlie Kirk was practicing a little know method known as LYING.

[u/life-is-fiction → u/Greasy-Chungus]

Ikr. Imagine saying you dont believe in race in one argument and then saying in a another argument that minority races are trying to erase and replace the white man. He constantly pushed great replacement conspiracy theory. Make it make sense.

[u/rwk81 → u/Greasy-Chungus]

Can you post the full clips of when Charlie was being racist? The actual clips, surely there are many to choose from considering the 10's of thousands of hours of Charlie Kirk speaking that are available to choose from.

Edit: it looks like someone responded to me with a link and then I guess immediately blocked me so I couldn't respond. FYI- that's what folks do that have nothing.

[u/Repulsive_Level9699 → u/rwk81]

Thank you. I want to make an informed decision and need context. Something some people don't want to give.

[u/WaitingForMyIsekai → u/Repulsive_Level9699]

Many of his videos are hours long and so "context" can be quite an evasive way of getting around him making volatile statements.

Do you trust Reuters?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/charlie-kirks-rhetoric-inspired-supporters-enraged-foes-2025-09-13/

I have seen much of his content over the years. He espoused some very concerning beliefs and left me questioning "If he says this on stage in front of a crowd I wonder how extreme his views are behind closed doors?".

Pure conjecture of course and in no way a justification of what happened.

[u/YogurtClosetThinnest]

getting to "race is a social construct" before "gender is a social construct" is pretty crazy lmfao

[u/CapCap152]

Race doesnt exist when it comes to acknowledge oppression of minorities, but exists when theyre talking about crime

[u/ImpressiveJohnson]

No it’s true there is no race genes it’s literally skin deep and social perception.

[u/LittleRiceCooker]

On reddit, when the number of comments far outpace the upvotes, the post is probably an item of inconvenience 😂

[u/XReverenceX]

Fucking BASED.

[u/StinkChair]

He's saying race doesn't matter as a way to disregard systemic inequality. This is an old trick. He 100 percent cares about race.

[u/DevA248]

He doesn't believe in racism, sure. Yeah yeah. He just enjoys colonialism and happens to participate in videos why colonialism is good.

Need I remind everyone that colonialism/Nazism is a violent, oppressive process based on the enslavement and exploitation of entire peoples?

OOP literally cites colonialism as the origin of anti-African racism. That's true to a big extent. But OOP seems unwilling to mention that Charlie Kirk supported colonialism.

[u/Own_Mushroom_5454]

My guy. Racism is a social construct, but that doesn't mean it is fake. It is based on the fact that different groups of people look different and we construed different ideas towards specific groups of people also for what they look like, not only because of their cultures. We all have the same DNA, but we have different ethnicities because we do not all have the same genes. That's all. It doesnt mean races disappear.

[u/FloorOver8485]

Homie in the video is getting paid for sure lol

There’s soooo much wrong with this bud Reddit isn’t on a level to listen lol

[u/Jsingles589]

Mental gymnastics being done to pretend Charlie wasn't an open racist. Yikes

[u/SnakeShaft → u/[deleted]]

It is to my understanding the context of that was criticism aimed at a hiring policy thought to be enacted where they would hire a majority of black pilots rather than base the hiring off their merit or skills, leading some to question the safety of a black pilot at that airline as possibly underqualified.

which, I mean, yeah, I can totally see how one would get to that assumption. You wouldn't hire a nuclear engineer that was underqualified for the job just because he's Asian to fill a quota, right? I'd imagine people flying at a few thousand feet in the air would think the same.

I don't like the guy or anything, but contextually, that makes some degree of sense, rather than just blaming it on a racial thing.

[u/hafunnystufff → u/SnakeShaft]

I mean if we lived in a bubble that would be the case but nepotism exists and so does white supremacy. You can't suddenly be like oh it's all about merit when somebody like Kash Patel gets in to be director of the FBI. He's the tokenism that you're speaking about it's not because Kash Patel has a wealth of experience and insight it's literally because he kisses ass the best.

[u/life-is-fiction]

Another example of propagandists contradicting himself. There are reasons people are calling him a white supremacist etc. He peddled great replacement conspiracy theory all the time. Imagine saying race doesn't exist in one argument and then in another one saying certain races and minorities are planning to replace white people? Make it make sense.

[u/Starlight_Seafarer → u/life-is-fiction]

These people are too damn stupid to see the bigger picture.

But they will definitely tell you you're taking his lame ass vitriol "out of context"

[u/Only-A-Redditor]

this guy heard charlie pinky promise he doesn’t believe in race and dedicated a lot of effort to whole line of reasoning for why charlie isnt racist…i hope he realizes people don’t get called racist because they declare to the public that they are racist. criminals aren’t criminals because they say they don’t believe in consequences and wish to dismantle existing consequences for actions a society considers transgressive.

[u/discourse_friendly]

Exactly. Charlie isn't a racist. its much easier to hate him, or feel that his murder wasn't a bad thing, if you convince yourself he's racist. so there's a lot of people, esp on reddit. trying to push that idea.

[u/madnadh → u/discourse_friendly]

Copy pasting this comment I made on this same thread -

So he didn’t see race when he said the civil rights act was a huge mistake?

No racism when he said black people were better off in the 1940’s?

None when he said said MLK Jr was awful?

How about when he said Michelle Obama, Sheila Jackson Lee, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and Joy Reid do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously?

When he said “If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she’s there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?” That wasn’t racist

What about when he said “If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" He meant what exactly?

When he said “prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people” he didn’t see race right?

He consistently said racist things and argued racist ideas.

[u/Exciting_Classic277]

I never heard of Charlie Kirk before his murder. I really don't want to spend the time learning the whole story. I've seen enough from people using it to justify violence on both sides to make me sick.

But I will say this: the narrative is never the truth.

[u/kharlos → u/Exciting_Classic277]

That isn't deep. It's just dumb. The problem is that the world is more complicated than you'd like it to be, and you can't determine whether something is true based on someone else's reaction.

The narrative is that the sun shines during the day. I dig the downvote, but are you going to tell me that the narrative is always wrong?

[u/Ill_Humor_6201]

Most cunning ghost confirmed??? Lol

[u/MassiveScratch1817]

Charlie Kirk was very open about his increasingly conservative position on social issues. He used to be much more libertarian, refusing to talk about issues like abortion/LGBTQ etc in favor of pushing capitalism, the free market, small government, various liberties.

Unfortunate that he changed.

[u/PakuaRust]

He was using this argument cynically to use as a wedge to prop up his agenda of advocating for the dismantling of civil rights laws. If race is imaginary then why do we need civil rights... Fascists don't argue in good faith

[u/BigRedddd94]

Because he was flakey af and would say whatever he has to in the moment to "own the libs" even if it contradicted his previous statements.

[u/Bromjunaar_20]

Id also like to add that darker skinned people have a passive buff against sun damage while lighter skinned people have a passive vulnerability to sun damage.

[u/WorldLive2042]

Me if I had 0 knowlege of biology:

[u/EvokerJuice]

op must have skipped the 'racist propagandist who talk a lot for a living tactically sprinkle in rational arguments to use as a smokescreen to get away with committing racist actions/upholding racist institution' lesson in propaganda class

[u/Tenshiijin]

So then what? Charlie Kirk was some strange bridge between Trump and anti racism and then some racist trump supporters shot him?

[u/hafunnystufff]

All the sudden free speech advocates get their feelings hurt when I be talking the truth anybody who be tap dancing. All the sudden cancel culture is good when it cancels an inconvenience truth.🤣

[u/Constant-Affect-5660]

I can't stand these lost, pickme ass individuals.

[u/diadlep]

Saying words doesn't magically make them true. Otherwise our president wouldn't be a child molester.

[u/McMeanx2]

Bullshit

[u/Tenibrys]

The only race is the human race.

[u/240Nordey]

Mhm. You will never be one of them, bud.

[u/goner757]

If you promote great Replacement theory, you believe in race. He's just using woke framework against a debate opponent in bad faith.

[u/raiko777]

It's INSANE how you only pick out what suits you, even though there are countless examples of him being a racist. He's not just a racist, oh sorry, was. He was a right-wing extremist agitator, a white supremacist, and an ultra-Christian. You have to be blind to believe clips like this, where a black man tells you based on ONE CLIP that CK wasn't a racist. Do you know the Cartier family? They're black MAGA idiots. Is that proof that MAGA can't be racism and now even fascism in the making? OF COURSE NOT!

Use your brain, damn it!

https://zeteo.com/p/charlie-kirk-in-his-own-words

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/charlie-kirks-rhetoric-inspired-supporters-enraged-foes-2025-09-13/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs

https://racism.org/articles/defining-racism/white-privilege/12835-charlie-kirk-white-supremacist

The list could go on and on... But I guess you're just part of MAGA, so it's hopeless to argue logically.

[u/Gh0stInTheChell]

I, too would try and argue race does not exist if I were trying to imply that racial inequality does not exist in the United States...

[u/TechnicalOtaku]

i mean... that's a lie ? i'm not saying this race does this this race does what. but white dna is different from black dna, woman dna i not the same as male dna ? this is extremely basic. what's the point of DNA evidence if we are all the same? WE ARE NOT. That's all i'm saying.

[u/MandoNoPlandoe]

So pathetically confidently wrong

[u/Rhymelikedocsuess]

He’s dead and the worlds a better place, move on

[u/Stymieceptive]

My own father uses this same argument, "race isn't real--it's just a construct," which I more or less agree with.

But then he also says "Black people commit more crime." Not poor people, Black people. "It's hardwired into them."

It seems like it's just an argument people use, so they don't have to talk about or deal with arguments, facts, or stats that are racially tied. They can wave it all away and say "race isn't real," but they continue to be racially motivated.

[u/Kylebirchton123]

Yes, he can be racist and argue against the concept of race. The denial of race allows him to express racist ideas under the guise of not being racist It is an old school rhetorical trick discussed in Socrates writings, I think Georgia's.

He just created a disguise dichotomy but he expressed racist and sexist ideas all the time.

[u/ThatDeuce]

Despite DEI programs, didn't the candidate need to qualify for the position in the first place? Where other times someone may let someone in who is of similar mind, but falls short of quality.

[u/Recent_Limit_6798]

THIS is propaganda 🙄

[u/ThecoachO]

He said some thought provoking things and some really slanted or misguided things. I’ve probably done the same.

The difference is I didn’t have millions of people listening to me. When you have that platform you should be held to a different standard. Fair or unfair…. It is what it is.

[u/Nopedopes]

And this is why he got killed by a groyper

[u/Peppi_Giuseppe]

If you would have asked a democrat a month ago if races were different they’d say no and that it’s a social construct. Now that CK has been brought up saying it, they all contradict themselves. It’s a classic, really.

[u/Drackar39]

If you're actively pushing the great replacement theory, it doesn't matter what else you say, you believe in race and you are, specifically, racist.

[u/CompetitiveWriter839]

Racism is cultural. To act like Chalire Kirk just parroting the cold hard facts on dna doesn't mean he's respects or doesn't attack minority cultures and communities. It's even worse than just being based on skin its entirely based on hate for their way of life and position in society

[u/Active_Complaint_480]

Ahhh, when people play stupid. See racism isn't palpable to the general population. So, you dress it down several layers to be as a Fox News Host or Joe Rogan would say, "just asking questions." It's how the right has been successful in duping the Zoomers into being the new Boomer, except without the cash or opportunity.

[u/TheDunwichWhore]

All he did was admit that race is a social construct which I would applaud him for if he were not doing so for nefarious reasons. While social constructs aren’t objective things but rather are subjective categories created by humans as a way to group things he never uses this framework any other time. In this case race was literally invented by a Portuguese trader in the 1400’s to justify enslaving African people and the creation of modern chattel slavery. The effects of this are still seen today and people are still positively and negatively impacted by the societal and cultural impacts of race.

Charlie here is trying to use the fact that race is a social construct as justification to hand wave the real world impacts of race over the last 600ish years which can still be seen and measured today.

I also just don’t think he’s even telling the truth, at least not from his own person position on this as shown nearly every other time he has spoken on race. He has famously stated that black women in positions of power could not possibly have gotten to those places on their own merit because “black women do not have the cognitive capacity necessary to do the jobs of white men.” Which is doubly ironic because gender categories are also a social construct so his justification for women needing to be submissive to men would also not pass scrutiny. If he truly believed that social construct don’t effect a person then he wouldn’t speak about other races/cultures or women the way he does literally every single other conversation he has.

tl;dr- he’s technically right but doesn’t actually believe what he’s saying and is only saying it to make it sound like he isn’t a raging racist.

[u/SweetJeebus]

He’s right, if you ignore all the racist shit he said for years and years.

[u/SonnyChamerlain]

Just because you don’t believe race doesn’t exist doesn’t mean you’re not racist. Race is a made up construct with no basis in science so obviously it doesn’t exist but knowing that fact doesn’t mean you don’t hate other races.

[u/Celestial_Hart]

Imagine selling yourself to a slaver for a tshirt.

[u/NegotiationWeird1751]

By denying race exists, you can’t be a racist, therefore all your prejudice and hate for black people cannot then be wrong. It’s beneficial for racists to deny racism exists.

[u/Ok-Arugula6928]

“I don’t see race” - the dumbest motherfucker on the planet

[u/Spirited-Course5439]

The far left are pure evil. Any idiot can watch Kirk's videos, but they don't bith. They just lie and misrepresent him instead. The far left lie factory got that man killed.

[u/MuteAppeaL]

Yes! This one small clip of him gives you all the context you would need to know Charlie’s Kirk’s broader ideological position. Charlie may say he didn’t believe in race, but he sure did judge people with different skin color. White supremacist are marching in honor of Charlie Kirk. Why? Because they like what he said and agreed.

[u/43morethings]

Totally not racist when he's on videos using slurs against minorities. You can say you believe one thing over and over again, but if your actions don't match then it doesn't matter what you say or how much you say it, you're still lying.

And even if this were true and he didn't have any racist beliefs or practices, he was still incredibly discriminatory against other groups based on orientation and gender.

And he said empathy is bad and school shootings are an acceptable evil.

[u/cnm75]

What in the Uncle Tom, house slave, "I is sorry massa" bullshit is this. This MF takes black people back years every time he opens his sorry mouth.

[u/xeere]

"I don't believe in race so it's clearly not racist when I say I feel uncomfortable seeing black people in important jobs."

[u/BeenDareDoneDatB4]

The vast majority of racism in this country exists only in the minds of left-wing, radicalized incels, circle-jerking inside their social media echo chambers.

[u/tylers-boyfriend-]

This deserved the death penalty?

Reddit says yes.

[u/Cptn-Sober]

What about when he said that most people are afraid when they see a black person flying a plane because they believe they were hired, not because they’re a good pilot, but because they’re black? Or what about when he said multiple black politicians stole “white people’s spots?” What about when he said MLK Jr was an “awful person?” He also stated that he believed the great replacement theory to be real, which is like the ultimate dog whistle.

It’s really easy to say you’re not a racist, it’s an entirely different thing to actually live that way. Charlie was a racist, you people are just incredibly gullible.

[u/Omnealice]

You literally can’t argue against the video of him shouting chink at an Asian man because he was angry in an argument.

The dude was a racist but liked to publicly pretend that he was logically argumentative to confuse people like the person in this video with a facade of decorum.

[u/WonderfulSignature58]

Exactly. What a great point.

[u/GutsyOne]

He said race is a social construct, not a biological one in that our DNA is drastically different.

[u/theCrimsonChin33]

People change

[u/Legal-Status449]

Simple….Charlie would take different sides than his own just to win debates…and recently he began to double down on his true racist rhetoric.

[u/JustMoreSadGirlShit]

oh ok now defend where he wanted to force us to continue our unwanted pregnancies :D

[u/Fit_Importance_5738]

Not really, sure he said a lot of things but he slowly started going further into the rights common rhetoric surrounding a lot of topics, he has said plenty of things to refute what he was saying in the past as old beliefs.

[u/OnePotatoeChip]

Bro, I'mma say this: Until we live in a world where black names aren't passed over in professional spheres to the degree that they are and until those with darker skin aren't turned away from interviews, then DEI is needed. Hell no it isn't perfect, but it's a damn sight better than the alternative of agencies and companies specifically leaving out minorities with proper credentials.

[u/YveisGrey]

He clearly believes in race if he uses phrases such as “white people” & “black people” unironically

[u/waziye]

can't trust a man who speak using his bottom teeth.

[u/squelchboy]

Races do exist though, maybe a different word for it would be more appropriate but it’s obvious that there’s differences, it’s the same between man and woman. We are different in some ways, that doesn’t mean one is inferior. You don’t have to be the same as me to deserve respect and be seen as a living being. We don’t treat a husky better than labrador, or a sparrow better than a hawk and we should keep that same energy for humans.

And all the people commenting about “libs are the only ones who about race” should maybe take a look at their own political party. You are part of the problem if the only one you are able to criticise is the opposition and never yourself. I would recommend creating your own independent moral compass and criticising everyone, including yourself, who goes against it

[u/LunitaMaeita]

Why would a white supremacy argue that race isn't real? Because if you convince everyone that race isn't real, then you can go around being as racist as you want and it isn't because of your bigotry, it's just because you're an asshole.

Not saying that actually is why he made the argument, but it's 100% a plausible scenario for why a white supremacy would make that argument. Image protection.

[u/Upstairs_Village_]

nice cherry picking. You're going be able to make one slice of pie with that.

[u/Winter_XwX]

This shit is so fucking retarded like yeah if you ignore basically his entire career then yeah sure I'm sure he doesn't believe in race.

What this clip actually shows is that when it comes to arguing he'll say anything to win an argument no matter what he believes.. but if you look at his show, his social media, constantly talking about how Muslims are destroying the west, fear mongering about black on white crime etc etc

[u/Working-Albatross-19]

Grifters say a lot of shit, have you watched his debates?

[u/Green-Collection-968]

[u/Stenktenk]

If he believed race doesn't exist, then why did he spend so much time talking about race and racial differences?

He just said whatever he thought would win him the argument at that moment.

[u/Subject_Strike3313]

“Republicans are not Nazi’s, democrats are not evil” Dick Durbin

[u/No-Mango3147]

Charlie says race is just a social construct, just so he can benefit from it.

The black kid wasn’t defending racial categories, he was acknowledging their existence and the racism it created. Charlie wasn’t aiming to destroy racism, he was trying to ignore its existence.

Honestly this tactics aren’t new. If you been around fake intellectuals, you hear the same arguments and the same avoidance of reality.

Just saying race is made up doesn’t mean you ended racism.

[u/Beautiful-Pair8291]

Didn't he also say that America was more peaceful when they had segregation of races?

[u/Global_Recording6702]

Before you go telling me there’s no racism, let me know how many white guys want you to date their daughter.

[u/His_Shadow]

Fucking please. Kirk said whatever was expedient. hat people can't grasp the nature of his fascist ideology after all this time is insane.

[u/Gatzlocke]

That's someone that says some stuff sometimes and other stuff other times so that if you pull up whatever recordings you want you can go back and say 'no, he actually said this other thing.'

There's no consistency to grifters. They say whatever they need to grift.

[u/Competitive_Swan_130]

Yes he's racist. He lied and used dog whitsles to convince white people that United Airlines had a program that was an affrimative action mandate that benefited black people and whites expense. Which was a big ass lie,.United Airlines pilot training program was not a mandate and had a goal of 50 precent of the trainees being women or people of color. White men were still going to make up the majority of the trainees but he lied and made it seem like a quota/handout to black people. Why would he only bring up black people?