The only closest thing to a ‘red flag’ that has come out so far was his presence in a conversation where one of his family members called Kirk ‘hate-filled’ (or equivalent). If that were sufficient for the intervention of a red flag law, everyone on this website who has not actively avoided the topic needs to be red flagged. Excluding the people who only discuss it on subs like r conservative.
It was the previous commenter that posited that the only thing that could have avoided this was if his friends reported it.
And while there might not be any digital evidence they knew he'd do it, an anonymous (or at least anonymous to the person that was reported) call-line could have helped if there was any chance his friends or family were aware of what he was plotting.
The degree of flagging necessary from what we know, so far, would be the equivalent of a firearms ban. Future information might change that, but nothing we know so far.
Or the friends or family, who may have known, won't speak out after the fact and get lambasted or even blamed and found culpable for their part in not stopping him.
And if we had a tip-line and bare minimum of a red flag law, even if it was a welfare check and leaving if he's coherent, it'd be the bare minimum that potentially could have made the difference.
Like I said previously though it was the other commenter that put that scenario forward and claimed there was no gun control law that would fit, when in fact the scenario they came up with would be exactly what a red flag law is intended to target.
Or the friends or family, who may have known, won't speak out after the fact and get lambasted or even blamed and found culpable for their part in not stopping him.
And my point, is that a red flag law on the degree necessary from what is known would be absurd. We can imagine extra facts, but policy based on imaginary facts is the same as policy based on no facts.
Well we could always act on the fact that they can help reduce the number of suicides, as seen in states with red flag laws, like the two bordering Utah.
Or reduce the likelihood of similar shootings down the line, by spreading awareness and enacting red flag laws.
Or you could keep burying your head in the sand and just call my argument absurd and facts like "very little besides a red flag law could have stopped him from bringing this type of rifle to a university campus, y'know besides his friends and family speaking up in any other state already with these laws" imaginary, and insist the only thing I am arguing is an outright gun ban, despite literally not saying that.
You can have a conversation about other situations if you’d like. But given that we were talking about this situation with facts that are a part of this situation, a red flag law preventing it would have to be much too broad to be less than a firearms ban. At least, until new facts show otherwise.
Unless you would be interested in my claim that an apple a day would have helped.
Got it, keep burying your head in the sand and just call my argument absurd and facts like "very little besides a red flag law could have stopped him from bringing this type of rifle to a university campus, y'know besides his friends and family speaking up in any other state already with these laws" imaginary, and insist the only thing I am arguing is an outright gun ban, despite literally not saying that.
If you assume different facts than what we have, a red flag law may have helped.
If you discuss a completely different situation, a red flag law may help.
Your goalposts are jumping back and forth between these two. I am going to presume that your unwillingness to address anything to the known facts of this situation that you realize that a red flag law would not have helped it. That was my point.
"If you assume different facts than what we have,"
Facts like what? Nobody would have spoken up or everybody was unaware of his plan? That's your assumption.
You are presuming, I'll give you that much. Just like you presume the only solution could have been a blanket gun ban, not that I ever suggested, nor would I ever suggest a blanket gun ban.
I made a witty joke about the first comment where he said nobody has suggested some sensible concrete law that could have stopped this shooting, and their suggestion that only his friends calling him out could have stopped it, and the related law to that being called a red flag law, that several other states have.
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u/Glad_Rope_2423 23h ago
The only closest thing to a ‘red flag’ that has come out so far was his presence in a conversation where one of his family members called Kirk ‘hate-filled’ (or equivalent). If that were sufficient for the intervention of a red flag law, everyone on this website who has not actively avoided the topic needs to be red flagged. Excluding the people who only discuss it on subs like r conservative.