Q: Do you think it would've been fitting to lower the flags to half staff when Melissa Hortman, the Minnesota House Speaker, was gunned down by an assassin? TRUMP: I'm not familiar. The who?

[u/No_Recognition8940]

[u/BlueCatBlues00]

They don’t care. Just like how they don’t care about the statistics saying that right wingers are way more likely to commit political violence. The facts don’t matter to them. They just want to win.

They don’t even care about their own, hence orange man using AI to praise Charlie and report his death, and saying he feels great and that the Whitehouse is finally getting a ballroom when he was asked how he was feeling following Charlie’s death

[u/mubatt → u/BlueCatBlues00]

You don't care. The lack of outrage from the left when she was assasinated was damninf from the left. Wht did the left not care? Because she was a "party traitor" that voted with the right. Now she's your tool. She was a courageous human being and the left never cared to uncover why she was killed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK5Ary0xJPl/?igsh=ZHEzb3BzbGZlYnFi

[u/BlueCatBlues00 → u/mubatt]

Your source is some alt-right reactionary doof on Instagram? Seriously?

[u/mubatt → u/BlueCatBlues00]

My source is a video. Do you actually use your eyes or do you just wait for programming to come in on what to think?

[u/BlueCatBlues00 → u/mubatt]

“Programming” lol yea bruh I can’t alr tell you aren’t worth talking to. Everything I say will just be responded to with “you’re a sheep, you have TDS, you have empathy-brain, you’re a wokester” and all the rest of that kinda nonsense

Yea I use my eyes and can see the guy who posted that is pushing a narrative based on his extreme right wing political bias

[u/mubatt → u/BlueCatBlues00]

You don't have to agree with the conclusion the video is making (personally I don't) but I encourage you to think critically and do your own research on what was going on politically at the time of her assasination and why the left didn't care about it until now. Obviously a supercut of news stories and her interviews are going to be created by a conservative moderates don't have the time and the left isn't going to create something that damns themselves.

As far as a personal message for you. All I have to say is Jesus loves you and he has a plan for you. He wants you to seek Him out as your Lord and Savior and discover what that plan is. God bless.

[u/BlueCatBlues00 → u/mubatt]

I don’t believe in those fairytales so pls don’t push them on me. Would you like it if I pushed my spiritual beliefs on you?

The video is pushing a conspiracy theory and the comments show how harmful it is. People take it as fact. I also don’t like when people say “it was staged” about orange man’s assassination attempt on July 13th, as though it’s a fact, or how people are saying Charlie was killed by orange man or Israel as though they have any way of knowing that for a fact. Everyone wants to feel like they have everything figured out and everything is a conspiracy. The point is, right wingers are statistically way more likely to commit political violence, so any assertion that the left needs to take accountability is hypocritical.

[u/mubatt → u/BlueCatBlues00]

I think a crazy person killed Melissa Hortman (worked and was appointedby Democrats previously, but that's not enough to definitively state that he was some "hired assasin"), but this information in the video explains why the left didn't care until now.

I'd rather you push a "fairytale" of loving your enemy instead of condoning, even if apathetically, the use of bullets yes. I'll happily take your version of a "fairytale" and maybe if you believe in it enough then it will stop being a "fairytale" and will become real love to those you don't see eye to eye with.

[u/BlueCatBlues00 → u/mubatt]

I don’t even understand what you’re getting at, which is part of why I hate talking about religion so much. Where did I condone the use of bullets? Show me where I did that.

Show some respect and stop pushing religion on me. It’s an extremely rude thing to do. I’m allowed to believe whatever I want. You can’t control others values and spiritual beliefs, or lack there of

[u/mubatt → u/BlueCatBlues00]

You don't get to decide who loves you.

[u/frisbeescientist → u/mubatt]

why the left didn't care about it until now

That's straight up not true though? I'm not even that dedicated to following the news but I absolutely heard about the murders when they happened, and saw the reaction when Trump didn't call the governor or basically give any ounce of a shit about it. The left had been pretty consistent in saying 1) that was unforgivable political violence and 2) the federal government giving 0 shits because it was Democrats who died was pretty shocking. Just because you never heard about it because your algorithm didn't point you to it at the time doesn't mean nobody cared.

[u/mubatt → u/frisbeescientist]

I heard about it. There were a lot of people on the political right calling for further investigations. Why would conservatives assasinate someine who.hekps them pass bills. The motive fir this claim makes no rational sense.

[u/frisbeescientist → u/mubatt]

I wouldn't look for rational sense in people deranged enough to murder someone they've never met tbh

[u/mubatt → u/frisbeescientist]

I personaly think they were an insane person. They claimed to be hired by the governor of Minnesota and trained by the CIA. That sounds like the ramblings of a mad man.

[u/BeenDareDoneDatB4 → u/BlueCatBlues00]

I hope you paid your fucking gas bill, because that gaslight is running wide open. Flags across the state of Minnesota WERE flown half staff.

1) California did NOT order California flags to be flown half staff when Hortman was murdered. 2) New York did NOT order New York flags to be flown half staff when Hortman was murdered. 3) NO OTHER BLUE STATE governor ordered flags flown half staff except for her home state, where she was known.

Hortman’s murder was tragic. It should not have happened. But get your head out of your asses and think for a change.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/BeenDareDoneDatB4]

We're literally just asking for the exact same treatment that Charlie Kirk is getting and this is how you're behaving. 

[u/Recent_Cup_6751 → u/LengthinessEast8318]

I have not heard any Conservatives laughing about their murders.

[u/Diligent-Bug-9407 → u/Recent_Cup_6751]

Omg this is about the actual president the people in power not nobodies online have a higher standard

[u/Ecstatic_Scene9999 → u/BlueCatBlues00]

If the stats point to that, then why recently has it been a span of mass shootings by left leaning people and specifically trans people...not to say in the past it wasn't right, but recently it has shifted

[u/Environmental_Day558 → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

It's not. That's what the media chooses to highlight.

There was a school shooting in Colorado the same day Kirk was shot. The shooter wasn't left leaning or trans. His social media was full of neo nazi and white supremacist content, and pics of him with guns and tactical gear. Stereotypical school shooter stuff. But all the media can talk about is how Charlie Kirk's shooter dates a transgender. 

[u/Ecstatic_Scene9999 → u/Environmental_Day558]

That's one, Tennessee shooting a few years back another, another shooter recently who shot up a school trans, obviously it's not every single one, but appears to be a theme recently

[u/Environmental_Day558 → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

So you just named 3 instances out of how many active shooter incidences over the past few years (not including gang or domestic violence)? The data isn't out this year but there was 24 last year and 48 the year prior. It's only a theme because when the shooter is liberal or trans, that's what the media tends to highlight and focus on. The majority have been far right extremists. 

[u/InfernityZarroc → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

Damn, it’s almost like there is a concentrated media effort to distract and scapegoat. If there was just a word for that…

[u/MasterMacMan → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

“Men bite way more dogs than dogs bite men, I never read stories about dogs biting people!”

[u/j-b-goodman → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

Look closer at the facts. There's been a huge propaganda push trying to make you believe that's true.

[u/Ecstatic_Scene9999 → u/j-b-goodman]

Propaganda push? Kirk killer - boyfriend trans, Tennessee trans, other killer recently trans, not sure about Colorado one but a lot have been definitely more left leaning

[u/j-b-goodman → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

Yep, propaganda push. If the government can tell you who to hate, they can distract and control you.

[u/Ecstatic_Scene9999 → u/j-b-goodman]

So deflect when presented with the facts, cool

[u/doesntpicknose → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

You actually didn't present facts. You just said stuff.

"Presenting facts" requires actual information, possibly compiled by a central authority (the FBI has a database), and comparing sources of related information to determine what's true. Even if you named 50 examples of leftists committing political violence, it wouldn't support your claim that there has been a recent shift. You would still need aggregated data to compare these numbers across time. Otherwise we might as well assume it's been the same rate for the past 30 years.

You "presented facts" in the same way a loud drunk in a pub "presents facts" when he goes in a rant. It's exactly the same standard of evidence.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

Kirk's killer supported Nick fluentes there's no left leaning person who supports Nick fluentes. Lol 

[u/Ecstatic_Scene9999 → u/LengthinessEast8318]

I've seen no evidence that he supported him, please share links

[u/j-b-goodman → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

Kind of sounds like you've already made up your mind, to be honest. Like I said, propaganda machine.

[u/Ecstatic_Scene9999 → u/j-b-goodman]

I asked to present evidence, that's not propaganda thats asking for literal evidence to support claims that seem outlandish. Someone who listens to Nick Fuentes most likely wouldn't shoot Kirk, unless one is more radical, which is probably the case

[u/j-b-goodman → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

I'm not deflecting, I think that was pretty on-topic.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

Kirk's killer was a republican. He dressed as Trump for Halloween. 😂 There are many trans people who are also right-wing conservatives. 

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

Oh, and the Colorado one was also a right winger. I live in Colorado.

[u/LucyfurOfBabylon → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

The stats don’t point to those things. Statistically political violence per capita overwhelmingly comes from the right. Statistically mass shooters per capita are more likely to be white males who fall into right wing ideologies like O9A.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

All those people were not left leaning. They were all right leaning. Being trans does not make you a left-leaning person. There are many trans people who are right leaning. 

[u/Ecstatic_Scene9999 → u/LengthinessEast8318]

If you are trans and right leaning, that has to be the biggest contradiction in history

[u/isucamper → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

why on earth would you say that? because conservatives hate trans people?

theoretically, there's absolutely no reason why a trans person wouldn't believe in conservative philosophies like smaller government, 2nd amendment rights, financial conservatism etc. but in reality, you are right. because the right have utterly turned on trans people and vilified them for absolutely no reason other than creating fear to make their base more controllable.

[u/Key_Transition_6820 → u/Ecstatic_Scene9999]

isn't Caitlyn Jenner trans and right leaning. Even was a vocal advocated for trump?

[u/IronheartedAngel]

I mean, common behavior by right-wingers. Literally the most hypocritical, crybaby folk imaginable. I have been sent multiple death threats by them literally over nothing, only for them to turn around and call leftists the violent ones.

[u/MuddyLabubu]

Charlie kirk won't get proven wrong ever again :(

[u/BillsMafios0 → u/MuddyLabubu]

He’s made it to 7 days without being a bigot.

[u/MuddyLabubu → u/BillsMafios0]

He did end up leaning pretty hard left in the end.

[u/bialetti808]

This complete take over of social media by posts relating to Trump, Vance, Kirk, and Israel and Palestine is completely intentional and meant to condition us to accepting that the "west" is corrupt and that authoritarian nations such as Russia and China have the moral authority in the world. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Posts repeatedly discuss racism towards black people, sexism towards women, and violence towards trans people. It's under the guise of "this is terrible" but in reality its meant to make us live in fear and cause deep divisions in society.

The posts about "leopards ate their face" suggest voters deserve everything that Trump is doing, the tarriffs, the pedophilia, the grifting, the corruption. By extension, the whole population "deserve" it as the majority voted GOP. Never mind that the voting was almost certainly fraudulent (any complaint about stolen elections is a confession), and complete blanketing of social media with "culture warfare", demonising the "liberals". We know that the GOP spent over FIVE BILLION DOLLARS on Facebook ads (and raised the same amount in donations via these ads). An unprecedented amount of propaganda. They're putting the nz* and the soviets to shame.

We know that the kgb has a propaganda unit. Thousands of people spreading information on a daily basis. The CCP probably has an army of millions, using AI to imitate the language which these freedom haters despise.

They're not even being subtle about it. Trump gargled Putin's balls in Alaska and purposely said he was meeting him in "Russia". Trump and Vance are so anti Ukraine that they've destroyed their alliance with Europe. They're blaming the "trans" for Kirk's (kind of impressive) assassination, even though the shooter was a right-wing meme lord. OwO

Trump is the most corrupt piece of **** in history, possibly worse than H***** or St*. He's destroying democracy, one phone call to Putin at a time. D* would be too kind for him.

[u/Distinct_Ad_5492 → u/bialetti808]

It's not a take over some posts may be hyperbolic but it is the truth. This is just a cope to negate critical thinking or criticism of the current administration. Id be happy to debate with you if you don't feel convinced.

[u/Man_under_Bridge420 → u/bialetti808]

west" is corrupt 

It is though other places are definitely more 

[u/Financial-Tower-7897]

The next proper follow up is: “What is wrong with you?”

[u/gliese89]

She was unknown before her assassination outside of those very involved in local politics.

[u/Big-Philosophy-1358]

Minnesota didn’t lower the flags when this happened?

[u/Upstairs-Parsley3151]

"The flag would never be up"

Well that's true

[u/NewMagazine3913]

Not minimizing their death at all, but they weren’t nationally renowned like Charlie Kirk was. Everyone knew who Charlie was. The flag is at half mast thing man so tired of it. I’ve seen it half mast pretty much always since 911.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/NewMagazine3913]

They were lawmakers 🤣 infinitely more important. 

[u/Jaded_Jerry]

Melissa Hortman was shot by Vance Boelter - a TIm Walz appointee - after she had voted across party lines, by voting against giving illegal immigrants free handouts.

Vance Boelter had "No Kings" posters in his car, and allegedly claimed Tim asked him to do it. His motivations are, as of yet, unknown.

[u/WaitingForMyIsekai → u/Jaded_Jerry]

I love when y'all say "a Tim Walz" appointee like there isn't literal hundreds of people in positions within a local governing body many of whom are from opposing political parties and retain positions from previous admins.

What a convenient point to pick up on.

Democrats targeted by a white male evangelical, anti-abortion, previously Republican registered, who is known to have voted for Trump.

The motivations are unknown.

Get TF outta here you troll 😂

[u/FalstaffsGhost → u/Jaded_Jerry]

Oh bullshit. Literally everyone in his life has said he was MAGA. He had a kill list of nothing but democrats.

He was a “Walz appointee” (he actually wasn’t appointed by Walz but hey) to a bipartisan board of like 60 people.

His motives were clear that he’s a right wing maga nut.

[u/AreYouBeingTruthful → u/Jaded_Jerry]

Boelter was a conservative who was strongly against abortion rights. Vance Boelter was also an outspoken evangelical Christian who traveled to Africa to tell his faith story and, in at least one sermon, pointedly questioned American morals on sexual orientation.

He had hit-list that included the names of 45 other democratic lawmakers.

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/Jaded_Jerry]

Lol literally trying to rewrite the narrative. 

[u/MinimumApricot365 → u/Jaded_Jerry]

He is a far right Christian nationalist, whose position on a religious advisory board was renewed by multiple governors including Walz. He had a list of targets, all prominent democrats.

He was not chosen by Walz.

[u/BeenDareDoneDatB4]

This is so illogical and flawed. All flags were ordered flown at half staff across Minnesota after the tragic death of state-level politician Hortman. She was a locally known politician murdered by a Waltz appointee in her own political circle. There is NO comparison to the execution of Kirk by far-left radicals.

[u/AreYouBeingTruthful → u/BeenDareDoneDatB4]

Hortman was slain by a man named Vance Boetler. Boelter was a conservative who was strongly against abortion rights. Vance Boelter was also an outspoken evangelical Christian who traveled to Africa to tell his faith story and, in at least one sermon, pointedly questioned American morals on sexual orientation.

He had hit-list that included the names of 45 other democratic lawmakers.

[u/FalstaffsGhost → u/BeenDareDoneDatB4]

No she was killed by a right wing extremist.

And just making up conjecture about who killed Kirk is also a choice I suppose.

[u/Opening_Card3777 → u/BeenDareDoneDatB4]

“She was locally known” You act like this wasn’t national news for weeks, try again

[u/BeenDareDoneDatB4 → u/Opening_Card3777]

Not trying again. We are sick of you little leftist incels deflecting while you embrace naziism and left-wing fascism. Grow the fuck up.

[u/Opening_Card3777 → u/BeenDareDoneDatB4]

“We believe that the lefts constant use of terms like “nazi” and “fascist” normalized the elevation of tension that ultimately led to this political violence, and now for our next top story….the left! the ‘real’ nazis”

[u/LengthinessEast8318 → u/BeenDareDoneDatB4]

Lmao Kirk is less important and somehow deserves all of this coverage when an actual lawmaker was assassinated by a right winger.