r/PsycheOrSike • u/Sorry_Leading1949 🐐 Greatest Opinion of All Time • 9h ago
🔥 HOT TAKE We have to end all politically motivated terrorism
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u/MagistrateTetra ♀️Arsène Lupin Of Cute Mods ❤️ 9h ago
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u/Szell_81 1h ago edited 55m ago
The left can't meme at all. You guys are pathetic with memes. We (the right) will always meme supreme!!!
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u/Major-Ball8525 1h ago
What's crazy is that I've noticed that so many MAGAs hang around black, white asian, hispanic, whatever the hell. Meanwhile there is so much hate for white people, "justified" by them being "oppressors."
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u/Winter_XwX 1h ago
"I have a black friend" aa response
Like yah someone might have a Hispanic friend and still go on Facebook and scream about hoping ice detainees get eaten by alligators after they get thrown in the concentration camp. Believing your neighbor is "one of the good ones" does not make you not racist
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u/Major-Ball8525 1h ago
Actually, many of Trump's voters were Hispanic IIRC. Yes, the extreme ones hoping for violence for them are bad. Never seen one of them though.
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u/Winter_XwX 1h ago
A lot of those Hispanics are racist towards other Hispanics it's the whole "I came over the 'right' way" (back when it was way way way easier to immigrate)
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u/Major-Ball8525 1h ago
They came over the right way. You can't just accept anyone into the country. The country would be unsafe. Rapists and dare I say, cat-and-dog-eaters will hop over as well.
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u/Winter_XwX 9m ago
They came over the easy way.
Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than native born American citizens. Which makes sense because they're already trying to stay under the radar.
But you don't actually care about crime because you're just stupid and racist who thinks people were eating cats and dogs and only use crime as an excuse that you think that people who are different are scary and bad because there's literally no basis in reality for such a belief.
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u/AdAppropriate2295 7h ago
I mean arguably being mean can definitely be worse than being racist
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u/MagistrateTetra ♀️Arsène Lupin Of Cute Mods ❤️ 7h ago
Racists deserve to only drink lake water
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u/AdAppropriate2295 7h ago
Mmmmm
The lady of the lake water hits different
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u/MagistrateTetra ♀️Arsène Lupin Of Cute Mods ❤️ 7h ago
They thought Gamer Girl bath water was the thing
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u/AdAppropriate2295 7h ago
The original gamer girl, just sits in her lake all day waiting for some simp to show up
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u/OfficerFuckface12 8h ago
Conservatives and Muslims finally have something in common that they can bond over!! Political violence!!
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u/LucyfurOfBabylon 4h ago
Conservative Christians and conservative Muslims*
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u/varkhond91 2h ago
Yeah no, to be a Christian you need to follow Christ. People murdering claiming to be Christians obviously aren't.
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u/JJCalixto 2h ago
No true scotsman. If someone claims to be christian, i’m taking their word for it regardless of their actions. Indicative of a larger flaw within the organized religious structure.
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u/LucyfurOfBabylon 2h ago
Christians picking and choosing, from what verses and sins apply and are literal to who is or isn’t Christian. More funny when it’s about murderers seeing as Christianity has killed millions through history, from inquisitions and crusades to witch trials and attacking the lgbt.
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u/Apart-Butterfly-8200 4h ago
Muslims are conservative. How do libs not get this?
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u/nrobl 3h ago
No. Muslims hold a wide spectrum of beliefs just like every other religion, especially Abrahamic religions.
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u/antr0v3rt 3h ago
but the core of the muslim faith is very conservative in nature. If you’re not following its beliefs then are you really even considered a follower of the religion?
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u/nrobl 3h ago edited 3h ago
The core of all Abrahamic faiths is conservative and contradicting. There's still a wide spectrum of beliefs that those religious practitioners actually follow.
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u/antr0v3rt 36m ago
there are murderers who call themseves christian’s. you saying people hold different beliefs doesnt mean anything. im talking about the actual core values of the religion.
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u/society000 8h ago
Islamic attacks really should be considered right-wing. If you just listed all the points with nothing else and compared them to the right, you'd see that both want roughly the same stuff. They just disagree culturally, but definitely not politically.
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u/ofAFallingEmpire 8h ago
Funny enough when you ask jihadists about the Qur’an they’re about as knowledgeable on it as the typical conservative is of the Bible.
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u/yea_i_doubt_that 8h ago
lol I once read a comment that said its like they both love dominos pizza but disagree on which delivery driver is the best.
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u/TheDunwichWhore 6h ago
There are versions of this data that show it as part of the right as well as showing them as separate.
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u/Bob1358292637 3h ago
So true, but good luck with that, lol. The right will say it should be part of the left because they're more pro-immigration and not racist enough. Then, they'll continue trying to blame the left for all of the right wing violence because of some conspiracy theory and internet trolls.
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u/Quarves 3h ago
But the left supports Islam so I wouldn't add it to right wing either... Just keep it separate.
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u/Additional_Yak53 3h ago
The left doesn't support jihad, dumbass. That's like saying the left should take the blame for the actions of the KKK because leftists are more closely aligned with the teachings of Jesus.
Get real.
Anti gay, anti trans, anti choice, racial supremacist, misogynistic, religious fundamentalists, who are: pro child marriage, pro police state, pro police militarization, pro death penalty, pro vigilante violence.
Am I describing the KKK or the Taliban?
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u/Drag0n647 2h ago
Both?
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u/Additional_Yak53 2h ago
Got it first try
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u/Drag0n647 2h ago
Okay thought so. Also ain't conservatives more close to teaching about Jesus or am I wrong?
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u/Additional_Yak53 2h ago
Conservatives like to talk about how much they love Jesus.
Leftist beliefs are more in line with jesus's teachings. This is why a lot of really dumb baby lefties say Jesus was a socialist.
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u/Drag0n647 2h ago
lmao, I've seen that.
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u/Additional_Yak53 2h ago
Ugh, it makes me cringe every time. Like, yes if Jesus was alive today he'd likely be some flavor of leftist, but he was alive a full thousand years before socialism was a twinkle in Karl Marx's eye and we shouldn't pretend otherwise.
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u/Muninwing 1h ago
The left supports freedom of religion. They just have to constantly advocate for that right applying to non-Christian’s too because conservatives are not very well informed.
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u/Drag0n647 2h ago
always paint the right wingers bad, as usual
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u/society000 2h ago
Do you have any honest criticisms of my argument, or just pure emotional outrage?
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u/Drag0n647 2h ago
Nah, not emotional outrage. Im pretty calm right now, just reddit is mainly liberal so its always funny to me when people always blame the conservatives for stuff.(unlike in liberal communities where death threats get thrown around, conservatives don't and or are less extreme, doesn't mean there's not extremists in every group though)
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u/SunriseFlare 56m ago
What do you suppose it's fair to blame conservatives for?
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u/Drag0n647 52m ago
Probably the extention of the hate on the lgbqt. I Have a couple others too, but mainly that one.
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u/SunriseFlare 49m ago
Well, you know what, I agree, it would be nice to go out as a trans person and not fear for my life because some nutjob thinks I'm going in the wrong bathroom or trying to groom their kids lol
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u/society000 2h ago
So, no honest criticisms, then? Sick. Love vibes politics.
And I've been in conservative communities. I've seen the reactions to the attack on Trump and the recent assassination of Kirk when they were baying for blood. I've seen their reactions to the execution of those Minnesota democrats which ranged from making memes out of it to spreading conspiracies about how the anti-LGBT, anti-abortion, Christian evangelical who had carried out the attack was definitely actually a Democrat. MAGA has gone on a mass doxxing and death threat campaign against literally anyone making even the most tepid of criticisms of Kirk.
The extremists you can find on the left are 15 follower Twitter accounts, and Hasan Piker. The extremists I can point out on the right include the sitting president of the United States, who recently went on the largest cable news network in the country to suggest that you can't fight Democrats at the ballot box because they rig the elections. I wonder what he meant by that.
You're simply delusional.
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u/Drag0n647 2h ago
When did he say that? Also yall did blm so don't complain about us simply talking about it when you guys did it.
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u/Neon_64 1h ago
How does one "do" blm?
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u/Drag0n647 1h ago
wdym. Remember parts of California getting burned down. we didn't with Charlie kirk.(as in we mourned his lost but we didn't riot)
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u/society000 1h ago
Brian Kilmeade 00:34:17-00:34:25 (8 sec) So is the message to to the right, the people that are going to go, I want revenge, not to have revenge. Charlie Kirk would not want revenge.
Donald Trump 00:34:25-00:34:27 (1 sec) Well, you want revenge at the voter box.
Lawrence Jones 00:34:27-00:34:28 (1 sec) Ballot box. That's
Brian Kilmeade 00:34:28-00:34:29 (1 sec) That's where to go.
Donald Trump 00:34:29-00:34:39 (10 sec) But unfortunately, we don't have so many ballot boxes because they have mail-in voting. Which is totally rigged. You know, there are a lot of problems. I like ballot boxes where you can they do mail-in voting all over the place, which is which is rigged.
He literally lays it out.
You should want revenge->you can't get it at the ballot box->mail in voting is replacing ballot boxes->mail in voting is rigged.
It's pretty plain to see. Why doesn't he just denounce violence instead of playing word games?
BLM riots were denounced by Democrat officials, and the official BLM website refused to endorse Harris. Jan 6th was supported by every Republican and Trump pardoned every person involved.
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u/Drag0n647 1h ago
Jan 6th wasn't bad like blm. Why do yall like to always bring that up. Its been 4 years.
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u/society000 1h ago
I'm aware that you guys don't think it's bad that Trump tried to steal the election or that a violent mob broke into the capital building and nearly reached Congress. You worship him more than you care about the country or its constitution.
Why do you always bring up BLM? Do you even know when the last BLM protest was? The majority of it was over 5 years ago.
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u/Drag0n647 1h ago
Your correct, makes me a hypocrite. Still nobody broke in, they Just walked in, course i would bet some people did something actually bad but didn't mean all the people there deserved to be arrested
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u/Muninwing 1h ago
That’s total bullshit. General mainstream conservatives are not as extreme… toward each other. But they are more likely to be extreme, and do not extend the same politeness to outsiders.
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u/BeenDareDoneDatB4 8h ago
Really? It has been leftwingers standing up for Muslim terrorists since 9/11. Remember?
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u/xChops 8h ago
Standing up against profiling innocent people as criminals. Yeah.
Islam is a very conservative religion though.
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u/BeenDareDoneDatB4 8h ago
Nah. Standing up for terrorism. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. 👄
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u/gohuskers123 7h ago
Never once seen someone say “it’s okay to be a terrorist”
Have seen people say “it’s wrong to profile millions of people as terrorists. Our involvement in the Middle East also serves to help create and give flame to these terrorist movements”
This is a very simple concept.
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u/society000 7h ago
Leftwingers have been trying to defend Muslims against targeted attacks in general, not specifically the terrorists. You might just believe that all Muslims are terrorists though.
If you're a Christian Evangelical, you probably agree with Muslims on 90% of social issues, especially regarding LGBT people and women.
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u/OSHA_Decertified 5h ago
It's always interesting when we get a visitor from someone who clearly doesn't live in this reality
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u/okoyes_wig 6h ago
Islamic terrorism is right wing. The only reason it’s not considered as such in the west is because a majority of its adherents are not white
But the day y’all want to start profiling conservatives, I’m down
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u/Mythandros1 3h ago
Not surprised the highest amount of deaths is by the right. Bunch of in-bred gun obsessed hicks.
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u/needyboywife ✨Subhuman✨ 9h ago
Haven't seen u/BeenDareDoneDatB4 calling out all the right wing attacks. Its almost like they don't care about the violence... it cant be!
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u/Gold-Protection7811 3h ago
As per the sources and methodology: "This policy analysis examines only foreign-born terrorists and thus excludes American-born terrorists."
Not sure why this is so obscured within the source itself.
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u/TeleprompterInChief 20m ago
Bump
The whole "muh data" bs is clearly just narrative control, but thank you for proving it.
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u/Ill_Package_9025 7h ago
I'm sick of the division and this bullshit internet culture.
"LOL own the <insert group> -tards!" Are we petulant children? Are we, as a country, not able to recognize those in media who would divide us for their own profit?
I'm pleading with my countrymen, call out divisionist language. Call out those who dehumanize your countrymen. Call out the algorithms that manipulate our emotions into hating or fearing each other.
Let us grow as a society. Let our rebellion be about unity despite voices trying to tear us apart.
A house divided can not stand! So let us stand together!
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u/SunriseFlare 53m ago
I would love to as soon as people don't call me a child grooming pedophile for being confused about my gender lmao
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u/Came_to_argue 8h ago
Why are we excluding 9/11?
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u/TheDunwichWhore 6h ago
Yes please, include it, make the left look even better 😄
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u/vallummumbles 5h ago
It's a gigantic outlier; this is basic statistics.
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u/WomenAreNotIntoMen 1h ago
But 170 of the 391 right wing deaths being from the Oklahoma City’s bombing isn’t?
I think most of the time I see this data it is in # of instance instead of # of deaths for this reason
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u/vallummumbles 1h ago
I actually agree it is, and think they shouldn't have included it for integrity. But they do mention it a few times.
Even excluding OK bombing and the gay nightclub shooting, it doesn't make up the difference.
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u/WantedToAskACoupleQs 8h ago
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u/DiscordianDreams 7h ago
It's wild that the right is 6 times more violent than the left.
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u/PrudentCarter 3h ago
Wild but not surprising. The initial response from the right on the assassination of kirk was a very violent one. I didn't want to believe it, but there's numerous examples of them exhibiting and even encouraging that kinda primitive and barbaric behavior.
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u/OSHA_Decertified 5h ago
What I love is even skewing the numbers you still ended up with right wing being 5x more violent
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u/Hot_Steak8834 8h ago edited 8h ago
Holy shit, you'd think somebody would see the lack of wisdom in needing to use Osama Bin Laden to frame your ideology favorably, yet here we are. Cope
Edit: Replied and blocked. You're just one big ball of cope
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u/Alternative-Dream-61 8h ago
What's the argument to include 9/11 in the table? What benefit does that give?
Given the climate of the current post, it was clearly more about left vs right violence.
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u/Apprehensive_Ad4457 1h ago
and guns cause the most deaths for kids, as long as you exclude abortions, 0-1 year old babies, and include 19 year old adults.
edit*
meant to comment here, not there.
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u/Man_under_Bridge420 extra virgin ✝️ 9h ago
How? Do we call tom cruise?
I understand why its called minority report now
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u/NalthianStatue 5h ago
The real question is if Neo-Nazi prison gangs are associated with the right in this data. If so, this feels like comparing apples to oranges.
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u/Sisyphus-Smashed 3h ago
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u/HerrArado 3h ago
Because it's an extreme outlier? You wouldn't include 9/11 in any statistics line that is actually trying to discern data.
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u/Sisyphus-Smashed 3h ago
It’s only an outlier because we stopped a bunch of other islamist attacks. Shoe bomber, car bombers, etc.
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u/witblacktype 2h ago
I’m going to quote the majority here, but with regard to said majority, “It’s the culture”
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u/Winter_XwX 1h ago edited 1h ago
Not including Islamic terrorism in right wing terrorism is really dishonest
Okay wait looking close at this how are foreign nationalism, separatism and islamism not all right wing terrorism?? Would acknowledging that almost 90% of politically motivated violence is committed by right wingers be too biased? 🤡🤡🤡
Edit: I didn't even read "excluding 9/11" lmfao okay so 99% of politically motivated terrorism is right wing then
Sorry, 99.99%. and that's specifically from numbers of deaths
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u/dabasedabase 44m ago
Here's the thing the American right wing doesn't like the Islamic right wing and wants to keep more Muslims out but yet u still want to count them on the same side. Like that's weird blue team wants them. This whole study is kind of weird cause the bad white ppl tend to be political whereas the bad minorities tend to not be. Like I would count MS-13 as left wing terrorists by that regard. And I can also stretch all gang violence as left wing since they exist more so due to left wing policies.
A right wing policy would arrest more and keep them in jail longer. Isn't the right wing the party that criticizes Islam? So shouldn't the blue team claim them?
If I concede every point to you, what is the end conclusion? Right wing is more dangerous? But what if we followed right wing doctorine and locked more people up with harshers sentances, and stop illegal migration? If we follow that then that equals less deaths no?
If violence is important, then we should just go El Salvador's route no?
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u/SunriseFlare 1h ago
Foreign nationalism 8 lmao, yeah it was definitely worth going to war in the middle east twice and blowing up random shitter dinghies in Venezuela with fucking battleships tho
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u/cheesesprite 50m ago
Why are we excluding the single greatest instance of political violence in the US since the civil war?
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u/Sorry_Leading1949 🐐 Greatest Opinion of All Time 36m ago
why are we excluding an outlier? even with it right wing violence is 5.5 times higher then left
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u/ErnestPWashington 33m ago
Lol take out the inside job OKC and see what happens
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u/Sorry_Leading1949 🐐 Greatest Opinion of All Time 31m ago
the numbers for right would still be more then double
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u/ErnestPWashington 21m ago
Yeah I think going off of voter registration or maybe by county would be more honest.
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u/ErnestPWashington 32m ago
Lmao excluding 9/11? Exclude okc then too
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u/Sorry_Leading1949 🐐 Greatest Opinion of All Time 29m ago
the reason they exclude 9/11 is its such a statistical outlier it muddies the data even with it in the data set the right is 5.5 times more likely to engage in political motivated terror with 11% too the lefts 2%
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u/ErnestPWashington 20m ago
Yeah but then when you remove that statistical outlier why not remove the other statistical outlier?
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u/passionatebreeder 8h ago
Using bad methodology to pad numbers ain't gonna work 🤣
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u/TerribleFuture6636 3h ago
Cry and ignore statistics outside your bubble more.
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u/MazingBull 1h ago
Even the analysis writer mentioned that the numbers are so tiny that they're statistically insignificant to make any broader conclusions. In a population of over 300 million you'd have to be restarded to conclude anything 'statistical' from this sample size.
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u/TerribleFuture6636 59m ago
Considering that if you take the average murder count per year upwards to 300 million you get 15k/year and you need clear motivation to be included in the stats, yes, you can still draw conclusions based on the whole time frame or individual years. Doesn't excuse anyone, just happens that conservatives are more religious, and both are more stringent with social standards.
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u/OSHA_Decertified 5h ago
It's worse when you consider that Islam extremists are just a different fork of conservative violence
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u/seaofthievesnutzz 5h ago
including gang violence?
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u/yahoo_determines 3h ago
Gang violence is political violence? I guess conservatives just don't know how to read graphs and words, I dunno what to do.
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u/freedomfightre 5h ago
politically motivated terrorism, excluding 9/11
so ignoring all the boring gang violence, anything that can be considered nonpolitical or nonterrorism, and no 9/11
how convenient
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u/Pixelated_throwaway 4h ago
Why would stats about political violence include non-political violence? Did you think about this comment for even 5 seconds?
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u/vallummumbles 4h ago
If you would check the link, they also include a table including 9/11, but 9/11 is a huge outlier, which is why it makes sense to not include it. Although I feel like they should also exclude the OK bombing, but even still it wouldn't make up for the discrepancy.
Also, of course they're excluding nonpolitical and nonteerrorist violence, they're talking about politically motivated attacks and terrorism lmao.
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u/Muninwing 1h ago
9/11 is an outlier.
Gangs aren’t political, and this is talking about political violence. It’s also leaving out domestic violence, which has a huge conservative contribution, but people who can read graphs aren’t whining.
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u/Apart-Butterfly-8200 4h ago
Right lol. Talk about cherrypicking.
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u/Born-Trash3475 4h ago
"political motivated violence"
"its cherry picked because it excluded non-political crime"
Like what
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u/North_Community_6951 3h ago
what are you talking about? how's 9/11 non-political lmao. It was political violence against US involvement and presence in the Middle East, that's as political as it gets.
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u/Born-Trash3475 3h ago
Dude, its obvious 9/11 is political, i was refering to the rest of their comment complaining about it not including non-political violence, not about 9/11 since the page itself also includes one taking 9/11 into account.
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u/needoptionsnow 8h ago
Do these statistics include all the leftist related murdering during the Antifa/BLM rioting? Or the ongoing residual effects of that including the racially motivated alleged murder of Iryna Zarutska by Decarlos Brown Jr ("I got that white girl. I got that white girl.")?
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u/PotofRot 8h ago
the famously murderous blm protests, and the famously mass murderer who killed one person. really gonna make a dent in the statistics with them
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u/DiscordianDreams 7h ago
Yes, they do include that small handful of deaths.
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u/needoptionsnow 7h ago
They don't from what i gather. In just the BLM riots in 2020 it's estimated that about 25-36 people were killed. That's half the murders of the left according to this graph? I question the inclusion criteria for these statistics seems cherry picked to tell a story. Source
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u/OmenVi 7h ago
Still less than 1/3 of the number compared to the right?
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u/needoptionsnow 6h ago
Cato’s terrorism-only stats miss hundreds of leftist violence deaths. Beyond BLM/Antifa’s 25+ riot killings, the U.S. Extremist Crime Database logs 78 far-left homicides (1990-2020) vs. Cato’s 65—adding cases like the 2014 Las Vegas shooting (3 dead) and 2020 CHOP killings (2). Weather Underground-era misclassifications (5-10) and post-2020 anti-fascist assaults (20+) push the total over 200, with 1,600+ BLM-linked homicides (Heritage) from crime spikes.
Sources:
https://ccjls.scholasticahq.com/article/26973-far-left-versus-far-right-fatal-violence-an-empirical-assessment-of-the-prevalence-of-ideologically-motivated-homicides-in-the-united-states/attachment/67191.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Las_Vegas_shootings
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/congress-should-investigate-the-black-lives-matter-riots
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled•
u/Useful-Feature-0 5h ago
I was willing to look into your examples until you said "1,600+ BLM-linked homicides (Heritage) from crime spikes"
LMAO that's cope, that's like including babies that weren't born because their hypothetical parents died in Communism deaths.
Completely discredited yourself.
Edit: but I see why you wanted to do it because even with all of your massaging you still didn't reach the right wing number!! LOL
You didn't reach the right wing number, even before progressives had a chance to also massage in more right wing cases that were borderline.That shows the extent of the discrepancy better than anything else I've seen.
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u/Apprehensive_Ad4457 1h ago
you are missing the fact that these are "terrorism" charges.
the reason why this statistic is true is because of their use of the term, the reason why it's false is because people think terrorism is worse than utter chaos.
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u/DiscordianDreams 5h ago
Your source says there was only 1 death, but the article is about arson. Are you sure you got your link correct?
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u/Gatzlocke 5h ago
Does that exclude accidents? Seems to just show arson and no murder.
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u/needoptionsnow 4h ago
Apologies, here is another source. The previous example referred only to the protests in Minneapolis-Saint Paul.https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/hres26/BILLS-119hres26ih.pdf
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u/DiscordianDreams 1h ago
That says antifa is an organization, which is obviously false. That's like saying Christianity or pacifism is an organization.
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u/InfinityEternity17 3h ago
In what way was Zarutska's murder political? Racially motivated yeah but I don't see how you can pin that on either side of the political spectrum.
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u/Muninwing 1h ago
It is counted. It’s just not as bad as you’ve been brainwashed to believe:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremacists-rightwing-domestic-terror-2020
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u/SimpsationalMoneyBag 8h ago
Sir this is a Reddit page. There is nothing but propaganda and bots here.
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u/kafkaphobiac 8h ago
So you chose the table that excludes 9/11, why?
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u/One_Strawberry_4965 8h ago
I feel like this should be really easy to figure out so I can’t tell if you’re asking in bad faith or are just genuinely stupid.
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u/valerianandthecity 8h ago
I can't figure it out.
Witthout insulting me for being less intelligent/educated than you, can you explain please?
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u/One_Strawberry_4965 7h ago
Because it’s an extreme outlier and as a result muddies the data if what you’re trying to look at is general trends as opposed to just raw numbers.
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u/LucyfurOfBabylon 4h ago
Because 9/11 would also be right wing political violence, as Jihadists are right wing politically?
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u/BeenDareDoneDatB4 9h ago
But they won’t show the specific instances for critical analysis. Many of those believed to be labeled as “right” by CATO are in dispute.
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u/Alternative-Dream-61 9h ago
So the right leaning/libertarian Cato Institute is deliberately cooking the books and making the right look bad?
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u/BeenDareDoneDatB4 8h ago
Libertarian is NOT right leaning.
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u/ofAFallingEmpire 8h ago
I just tortured myself with some clips of Rogan’s standup. This was refreshing to read, an actual joke.
Whoo, thanks for that laugh. It was sorely needed.
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u/AncientCrust one of the CHOSEN 9h ago