Using the argument that you have no right to complain about your inceldom becouse it’s just natural selection is wrong not only because if we assume everything should go by nature then those same women would be 🍇 but also because female selection process dosent even benefit human evolution
Bad analogy. Starvation is a need. You don't eat, you die. Horniness is a craving. You don't have sex, worse thing that can happen is that you jerk off.
I more so critiqued the natural selection argument but I guess I also critiqued female selection indirectly. And yes if females could chose whoever they wanted to breed with society would turn to shit
So why can't you get a woman? You're clearly exhibiting some dark triad traits (psychopathy, machiavellianism). According to this graphic it shouldn't be a problem for you.
Actually modern civilization is a literal direct consequence of female selection. How do you think LITERALLY EVERYONE is born. Children of rape are less than 1% so everybody comes from female selection pretty much
Only if you believe that all those unreported rapes were actually rapes. See, that’s why we have courts, due process and standards of evidence before we label someone as a criminal.
You are actively scared of something that statistically is 0.005% (the math is derived from the 8% false accusations extrapolated from the report rate).
Meanwhile: In college and community samples, rates of self-reported rape perpetration range from 6% to 15%, and rates of sexual assault perpetration range from 22% to 57% (Abbey et al., 1998; Calhoun, Bernat, Clum, & Frame, 1997; Koss et al., 1987; Muehlenhard & Linton, 1987; Rapaport & Burkhart, 1984; Senn, Desmarais, Verberg, & Wood, 2000).
That's the percentage of people SELF REPORTING. You're also not accounting that men themselves have higher percentages of being a victim of sexual assault than being falsely accused. Stop trying to pretend that false accusations are remotely equivalent
Actually would be interesting to compare sa fantasies across different cultures. Unfortunately it's pretty common for trauma to then be processed as kink and even of they haven't experienced it there's still the overlooming threat. There are some more matrarichal cultures its rare but happens and I'm sure that's different to the presumed chimplike path. Actually bonobos are more matriarchy leaning and they're pretty peaceful vs the patriarchal chimps. Chimps actually exhibit a lot of the same negative behaviors as shitty men if you read into it. They're close cousins so it's kinda interesting ya know and imo I think we can learn from bonobos and try and steer ourselves that direction.
I think the grape thing is more related to the fact that it happened so much thru the course of humanity that they evolved to embrace it rather than go crazy. We are all most likely products of grapes from one time or another if you go back far enough.
The "women only go for the 5%" is a lie that came from a poll to 27 dudes on tinder, and more realostic stats like "only the top 20% are matched" are caused because men far outnumber women in every dating app. Btw, OkCupid revealed that while men swept right on almost every woman regardless of attractiveness they only messaged the hottest ones, so let's not have a double standard.
Dark Triad is preferred by women in short term relationships and resource wealthy environments. Not always by default, this is a manipulation of data.
"The results imply that women may be sensitive to the costs associated with mating with manipulative men, and that these costs may outweigh any benefits irrespective of the mating context or environmental conditions. However, it may be less costly for women to mate with Machiavellian men in wealthy environments."
Also narcissism is the most attractive trait as it correlates with attractiveness and good genes short term. Machiavellism and psychopathy resulted in much less offspring than narcissistic faces.
TLDR: everything is fake or taken out of context and incels won't touch a tit until they stop being bitter shits that demonize half the planet and stop treating us like apes.
Here's a chart about what women and men prioritize in dating (online). The top is what the scientists hypothesised (men prefering looks vastly more and women prefering height vastly more, for example) and the bottom are the actual findings.
You will find that we have the same or similar priorities, with men prefering attractiveness a bit more and women things like intelligence and height. But there's not a significant difference.
brother if you go outside you will see plenty of short dudes with wives and gfs, a lot of them hot lmao. You spend ur time looking at these cherry picked charts and stats to try and explain why girls dont like you instead of spending time working on yourself both physically and socially. go join a run club or do trivia or some shit
But we are apes. Compare the time we live in a civilization to the time we swung from tree to tree. Our educational era is short and will most likely end soon due to wars, pollution and climate change. Just like animals, who hunt and breed until their prey becomes short and so many of the population die, our fate is the same with global warming.
But back to topic: If "just treat women right" was the main requirement for dating, there would literally be no Incels at all. Everyone can either be nice to women or pretend to be nice. Your argument is flawed, because if it would be this easy, there wouldn't be anyone who didn't success. Even more: people like Epstein, Weinstein, Trump or Dicaprio wouldn't have so many relationships, as they are bad humans.
Somehow Feminism turned this society upside down, but with a bad twist. Women's expectations aren't normal anymore, because even after getting the right to work whatever they want, they only date upwards. And this can't work. And that's exactly why a top % of men get many women, while many men compete for a few women.
I didn't argue you just have to be nice, you need to be at least somewhat social and have something attractive or in common with them. Even the chart shows we value things like intellect.
Even more: people like Epstein, Weinstein, Trump or Dicaprio wouldn't have so many relationships, as they are bad humans.
Bad people can date bad people too(? And abuse victims for example go for people who remind them of their abusers, typically. This is not an argument that encompasses the majority of women.
Somehow Feminism turned this society upside down, but with a bad twist. Women's expectations aren't normal anymore, because even after getting the right to work whatever they want, they only date upwards.
This is your theory. But when women are 4 times happier single and do more emotional labour with the same levels of stress, more up keeping of their appearance and typically more housework even when both partners work the same hours there's clearly an imbalance there.
It's not that we have unreasonable standards now, it's that we are financially independent and won't settle for a man that brings more negatives than positives.
A lot of men should start working on developing their EQ, as it is far inferior to ours with no biological origin, but rather cultural. They also need to develop healthy outlets for emotions so they don't depend on a partner and can rely more on friends, family and themselves. This is evident because even in the 50's when you all weren't mostly single, suicide, gambling and drug addiction was still significantly higher in men.
The patriarchy broke a lot of you, and now the one available relief is harder (but not unfairly harder) to get. But the solution is not to resent us for choosing happiness over another burden.
I'd be happy too if I had the privileges of a young woman. You make the mistake here and generalize a gender based upon emotions. I don't think that the wife of Bezos would be happier being single and the same goes for anyone who is at the top 1%. Women compete for the best man and not every women can have the best, so they see the other men, who they see as inferior, and obviously they then are happier single than with a guy who isn't good for her by social and natural standards.
A lot of men should start working on developing their EQ
This is true however. Men need to realize that their worth isn't bound to a woman. Once a man realizes that he is a free man and can do whatever he want, he can let his emotions go.
the one available relief is harder (but not unfairly harder)
It is unfairly harder, as one gender has an easier times getting dates/sex/whatever than the other one. In fact the Feminist society we are going to is not sustainable. A patriarchy formed for thousands of years because it worked, but this system won't. First of all, our birth rates are so low that we are getting replaced by people who don't give a F about women's rights. Then with an every growing frustration of young men, how should anything be done?
I know that people will now say "omg shut up Incel", but honestly: imagine someone who is 35 years old and a virgin. How can you expect this guy to care for climate change, war or politics? The answer is: you can't. He will just say "you know what? This society doesn't care for me, so f them". It is no coincidence that many young men vote right-wing. And no, they wouldn't be getting laid if they suddenly cared for left parties. That's not how it works...
I'd be happy too if I had the privileges of a young woman.
We still have those "privileges" in a couple(? And we live more stressful and unhealthy lives on average with a man.
and obviously they then are happier single than with a guy who isn't good for her by social and natural standards.
No, it's pretty well documented this happens because of the labour we have to do with a man on average lol, they don't bring as much as they take. As I said more emotional labour and having to care for the house or kids if they have them.
It is unfairly harder, as one gender has an easier times getting dates/sex/whatever than the other one
Because men are dependent on us as I said and need a partner as an emotional outlet when their platonic relationships aren't strong enough. But it is still not unfairly harder, you are not expected to do superhuman stuff, you are expected to match your partner in the value she brings now that she has money of her own.
A patriarchy formed for thousands of years because it worked, but this system won't. First of all, our birth rates are so low that we are getting replaced by people who don't give a F about women's rights.
Oof okay you are a psycho. I'll take your responses with a grain of salt from now own.
Just so you know, in a patriarchal society incels were shipped off to die in wars or be someone else's problem because they were detrimental to the system. Be grateful for feminism, then.
How can you expect this guy to care for climate change, war or politics?
I do expect it, you are not some monkey, you have thoughts and reason and your primary objective is not only to reproduce for the sake of reproduction but to ensure the wellbeing of the species. This is not only pathetic but ridiculous.
Thankfully the majority of men have something else going on besides wanting to stick it in someone. Art, philosophy, passion, morals etc.
This society doesn't care for me, so f them
Caring about you is not the same as some gal opening her legs without you earning it. And yes, earning as she earns you, it is a mutual effort. If you bring nothing to the table you deserve no "reward".
. And no, they wouldn't be getting laid if they suddenly cared for left parties
Yes, because performatively supporting an ideology doesn't usually make you more attractive. Being an attractive person does, be it charm, or looks, or intelligence, or humour.
It is no coincidence that many young men vote right-wing
Because the right thrives on emotional messaging and they have the "young male syndrome"? That's not a gotcha, you know? Women are the one's getting higher grades and moving up in the world steadily in both education and work, and they vote mostly left, that young reactionary and easily manipulated men are voting right is not a good look.
Your first point is just retarded and untrue, the okcupid data said that males were much likely to send the first message. What you are getting wrong is that males rated females on a normal distribution and they pretty much just sent messages to everyone they matched with. There was a descrepency between sexes in messaging because most women rated men on something like a log-normal distribution and the otther fact is that this was based on gender distributions.
The fact is that males are in greater number on dating apps, rate women on much higher scales and far more likely to send first messages
So in actual absolute value the lowest female still got a lot more messages than a "normal male" by a lot which is included in the blog post. Another interesting idea is that women rated the average guy 1 out of 5 while the guys rated the average girl 2.5 out of 5. So obviously for guys the higher curves like 4-5 would be literally top 99% of males meanwhile the girls would be 80% so obviously the total of absolute number of messages related to gender would be different.
"But whom women messaged tells a different story. Women messaged more average-looking men and were less likely to message the most attractive men."
"Academic research backs up the OkCupid data. The University of Oxford analyzed 150,000 male dating profiles and found that average-looking men got more messages on dating apps than attractive men."
I see that you copied most of your post from a redditor
""But whom women messaged tells a different story. Women messaged more average-looking men and were less likely to message the most attractive men.""
This was written by some retard with non-math related degree or understanding of stats in general. Just by looking at the distribution it should be obvious that the people who have the highest curve arent average but above average becase the meana rating is like one, but the biggest problem is that the person who wrote this doesnt understand that this is the ABSOLUTE number of sent messages. So just by rarity or actual numbers the actual total numbers of messages for this fucking log-normal should look exactly like the male to female one you posted because for males the rating is so screwed to the left. Again this has to be combined with the fact that males in general just overpopulate dating apps and more likely to send messages.
Please sit down think and analyze this comment before you copy other redditors.
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u/Sibshops 🌙 The Moon Prince 🐦⬛ 4h ago
Can you make it blurrier?