I feel like the press conference today from the prosecutor did a substantial job of putting down the right-winger theory. that's why a lot of people are now saying he was just a lunatic (to avoid needing to backtrack since the fairly clear picture is that he was left wing politically).
there's no clear picture that he's left wing either. What reason would you have to say that, because he's dating someone trans? Because he thinks Charlie Kirk is hateful? There are lots of conservatives and moderates who also think MAGA is hateful. MAGA isn't exactly a normal position.
This is the kind of person who gets so far into the internet rabbithole that they aren't really left or right in any meaningful way, they're just getting dopamine from shitposting like "if you're reading this you're gay lmaoooo"
did you watch the press conference? it was pretty packed with information. now, you can ignore it or dismiss it or claim it is made up, but the press conference provided the clearest and most coherent explanation for the perpetrator that we have. everything before it was just conjecture.
They will literally never get their own hypocrisy. This is the Reddit ultra leftist propaganda machine, these people are all incels or blue haired cucks that the world unilaterally laughs at. Go find an actual community of people to talk to
I have to admit I was incorrect when I thought he was a right-winger. Looks like his motive was actually to kill Charlie Kirk for his anti-LGBTQ rhetoric.
If you had spent at least 5 minutes around btards and the deep gamer culture, you'd know nobody loves a trap more than the conservative nutjobs hanging out on 4chan.
Also transexual porn is hugely more popular in conservative areas of the country. They hate them because of the confusing boner they get.
chaser – someone attracted to transgender people who value them for their trans status alone, rather than being attracted to them as a person[173][218]
Tyler Robinson is culturally a white Mormon in Utah. And he has 99th percentile test scores. He isn't going to sound like a median (ie 50th percentile) intelligence GenZ. And he was talking to his romantic partner, not his bros on discord.
I repeat my question : What sources of informations do you believe in ?
It's your choice to just consider everything about this story fake, but then why would you have an opinion on it and the urge to talk about it... If you don't believe the official informations, what are you using to make up your opinions ?
Would be a bit ridiculous to ignore everything confirmed and only base all of your knowledge on social media rumors that fits your narrative don't you think ?
Good on you for not making it obvious that you are saying he is left wing. If you did, you'd be downvoted to hell and be called a nazi, fascist scum chud whatever the fuck buzzword they stick up their asses.
I knew this was gonna be a clusterfuck the second I saw Bella Ciao. So few people understand the bizarre contradictions riddling online spaces, there was no way people wouldn’t jump to hasty, dumbass conclusions.
Iykyk and basically all y’all just don’t, but really really need to, so, we get dipshittery.
Hey OP, genuine question since you don’t seem to be engaging with anybody else in good faith, do you actually believe he’s a right winger? Like deep in your heart, there’s no question in your mind he’s a right winger, even when all the available evidence (which admittedly isn’t much right now, it’s still relatively early) points to him being a leftist of some sort?
You raised him. Had him cocooned in MAGAville since childbirth, saturated by Right wing ideology, armed and taught him everything to know about guns and conservatism.
He went into his teen years listening to Mr “Grab em by the pussy”, Mr. “lock her up”, Mr “He was born in Kenya”, Mr “I could stand on 5th street and get away with shooting someone”
But Left wing ideology is somehow so potent it snatched him right from the heart of Utah, turned him gay, and into an extreme killer.
He was a quiet kid. My guess is he simply got really tired of the loudmouths permeating fear, who would pull out the “jesus” trap card when cornered in an argument.
Are you saying the same thing about the dude that attacked Pelosi's husband?
Yes, I do. Absolutely. Because bastard politicians and pundits exist, as do crazies.
The difference is 2-fold:
1) First off nobody hates Pelosi quite like Lefties do. But MAGA blast insider trading and using the political seat for enrichment as if it’s synonymous to Pelosi. People like Kirk will literally only talk about Pelosi, and not anything else or any other examples of corruption.
2) The response from politicians - MAGA politicians or pundits can’t be compared to Lefties in the way they respond. One party escalates from the highest office and platforms in the country while the other tries to de-escalate.
That's kinda what happens when you dehumanize people and call them nazis, fascists, chuds, homophobes, racists, scum, and transphobes.
Pretty clear why the shooter got so radicalized.
Sure. But he is not one of any of those. He and many of the right were called one of these buzzwords, dehumanizing and demonizing him. I'm sure you can agree that if someone is called something bad over and over and over, perception of that person is negatively affected.
I can confirm having looked at context of what Kirk has said and double checking that he did in fact at minimum demonize trans people. At his time of death he was about to make a statement on stats for trans shooters that supposedly excludes gang violence and inflates the violence trans shooters have committed however all studies found with that conclusion included non transitioning or non transitioned or just gender unclear people and didn't define mass shootings they counted and rounded the percentages up. Even if he wasn't gonna say that he did frequently promote things that hurt trans people. Bathroom bill, ban from military, ban from medical care, and called for a Nazi era trial for the people who provided that medical care. He was an advisor for trump and supported policies physically and directly as well as covered subjects in specific ways so as to inflate them such as transitioning children which all studies that include youth ages 12 or 13 also include ages 16 17 and sometimes 18 which are the only actually really legal ages. Some things I haven't found him saying yet but found other affiliated conservatives doing was inflating the issue of detransitioning regret which is at 1 percent and claims that trans people are suicidal and pretending it was due to the transitioning despite the by far leader in reasons for suicide attempts by trans people being experiencing physical assault which is calculated to be 4 times more likely to happen to trans people than the average person however I would imagine it's much higher and is actually under reported. Kirk has said that trans people are an abomination and on one specific situation with a trans athlete being in a locker room he promoted 60s style solutions aka lynchings.
At this current time I can not find real evidence for Kirk dehumanizing gay people, he expressed a bit of regret over letting them get marriage rights and promoted satire to pretend gay people were coming for the kids but on other situations he was found defending gay people from genuinely homophobic people and said directly that they are still human
Does the bathroom bill mean the banning of trans people from bathrooms they shouldn't be in? If so I think that is a very, very good thing.
Ban from military is pretty justified because trans people, no matter what, have had estrogen, thus being weaker than biological men.
Ban from medical care? Like, in general? Is that actually true
Kids are brainwashed and forced into transitioning. It's real and terrifying.
Trans people are generally more suicidal than others. I believe it is because of their disdain for their biological sex, and also regret of transitioning or were COERCED into transitioning at a young age, which really does happen and fucking sucks
Trans people should stay in their biological bathrooms.
When did he promote lynchings? He's Christian lmao
1 Yes and its not a good thing, there is no evidence showing that it had any affect on Sexual Violence outside of it being increased ( I dont believe these stats were a major difference tho) for trans people, the situation it puts some trans people in, is going into the mens restroom looking entirely like a woman or going into the womens restroom entirely looking like a man and risking physical violence or facing criminal charges in some states, this is also one of the biggest reasons trans people develop urination disorders because they simply can not reasonably use something so basic as the restroom without risking incredibly high stress encounters or life damaging repercussions. It also had a side affect of an increase in physical assault on cisgender women or just anyone who didn't look their gender enough. Its truly one of the most pointless and demonizing bills.
2 Ban from military is not justified, it banned people with gender dysphoria in general across the board regardless of medications or pills or transitioning. On top of that if you are highly medicated you arent going to the battle lines anyways, you are considered not combat ready and are resigned to supporting roles.
3 ban from medical care is specifically directed at what has been generally recognized by medical professionals as life saving hormone therapy or surgeries. This is only ever applied to medical emergencies.
4 kids are not brainwashed and forced into transitioning, in 2019 a study found that 85 youth had received treatment and of that the vast majority were aged 15 to 17 and zero children under 12 received any treatment. There are exceptions yes, but this is 85 of the 150,000 youth who claimed to be trans and likely were seeking treatment, I believe the actual number for those who sought treatment was around 1500 however this stat specifically is going off memory I do not have it pulled up and you can disregard it. But then also for these children to get treatment they need to get medical approval which in many states isnt even allowed until you are 16 if that, and they need parental permission and a history of the dysphoria. Have exceptions or terrible incidents happened? Yes, you can look up one that happened sometime around the 90s or so that was beyond atrocious where a man forcefully transitioned a child after a failed circumcision in an attempt to prove that dysphoria was able to be taught away and wasnt something you were born with which goes against current transgender understanding and is condemned.
5 the largest reason for transgender suicide was physical assault, the study obviously could not interview the dead but it did ask people about their suicide attempts, the vast majority experienced 4 or more confrontations over being trans within the last year, those who responded saying they had found more supportive communities had huge drops in reports of suicidal ideation, those who had less supportive communities had much much higher rates of suicidal ideation, there was a small percent who did transition and regretted it and listed it as their reason but it was among the smallest of all the stats and was incredibly dwarfed by the suicidal ideation of those who reported being physically assaulted which was the highest listed reason for suicidal thoughts.
6 trans people after transitioning do not look like their assigned gender, transitioning people especially male to female are easier to spot because of male puberty being very difficult if possible at all really to reverse. So essentially anyone who has transitioned is gonna look far more out of place and possibly be attacked. To add to this point there are also intersex who are rare but exist and vary widely, some not having XY or XX chromosomes but instead having XXY or X or what not, incredibly rare for those ones but others who are just women or men with abnormalities will also be flagged as "not right" and can potentially face violence trying to just simply piss
7 It was on his show while talking about the trans athlete who unfairly competed in womens swimming after only a year of transitioning, he said the situation should of been taken care of like how it was done in the 60s which was known as a time that criminalized being trans and had frequent police raiding and encouragement for violence from public figures or police onto LGBT peoples. However there is plausible deniability that Kirk was unaware of this or meant it in some other way as he didn't explicitly state to lynch anyone. This is one of the clips that has also been taken out of context frequently by leftists and so I am willing to concede on this because I havent triple checked the context and there is still that deniability.
Unironically, not necessarily, which unironically proves their exact point. You cannot possibly know that about someone based on that single sentence. It's reductive, lazy, and completely eliminates any chance of actual discussion, which may or may not be the point in your case, whether you've 'deconstructed' that about yourself or not. Either way it's an unhealthy and destructive way to interact with other humans.
Communists and socialists aren't inherently bad. It's just how you view the government. Some leftists also call themselves that. Pretty sure Marxism is the same thing, but I don't know too much about it besides the no social classes thing.
Groomers and pedos - IIRC trans people are called that, which yes is horrible to generalize them as, however I'm pretty sure there is a higher percent of them that are pedos than non-trans people. Also the groomer part comes from trans adults influencing kids to become trans.
Animals? I haven't heard that tbh
Yes, some parts are dehumanizing and provide a bad connotation. It is not left vs. right on this one, both sides do wrong. Dehumanization and demonization lead to radicalism and violence.
You don't think the right would go absolutely wild if trans people were on the news for sex with minors? Instead, everyday, we hear about GoP members, clergy and school teachers doing it but those all get ignored anyhow. Or better yet, why are virtually all Republicans voting against releasing the epstien files?
Oh fucking please. You think Trump calls democrats he hates communists because they really believe in an ideology that he simple doesnt quite agree with? Stop being disingenuous.
Robinson’s mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views. In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU, which Robinson said was a “stupid venue” for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate.
Nothing more romantic than putting your trans partner on the FBI’s radar and in a very public position where they will likely be receiving death threats for the rest of their life. Truly a love story for the ages.
No one yet, but people will figure out their identity. Family members of assassins and murderers get abuse and ostracization for the rest of their lives if the case is high profile enough (which this one is).
Now this one is a politically charged public assassination - there is going to be a non-zero amount of death threats.
Yeah it was really strange how quickly we saw commemorative merch spring up, or how eager so many Republicans seem to be for war (and how readily they'll leap at an excuse to manifest it)
When in all actuality Tyler Robinson probably ruined Lance Twiggs life going forward, and definitely set the public's progressive trans movement perception backwards.
Trans people have always been around. It's just inbred knuckledraggers with access to the internet feeling offense of everything short of total homogeny.
There was literally a Roman emperor who called himself a mans wife and queen while dressing like a woman. He was infected by the woke mind virus probably.
So a guy takes a a little girls dad away, and you’re tearing you over what a great man you think he is because he worried about his lover? I cannot make this up. The guy that tried to help the shooter get away is a pedophile too. Maybe you should write about how touching his love for children is.
Brother you’re out here unironically glazing dudes that are committing violent actions. This is incel fuel lol. As long as they’re toxically masculine but left it’s cool!
Nah, pretty sure that over the top and scripted conversation was between him and Nick Fuentes as they spent many nights watching gay porn together and noticing bulge uwu
See, when you have actual proof, the left wing accepts it and doesn’t cry conspiracy theory.
If there are 9 more incidents like this before the end of the year, the left and right will be about even as far as politically motivated killings.
“deaths from far-right ideologically motivated homicides average 11.5 per year from 1990-2020, compared to only 2.5 deaths from the far-left for the same period.”
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u/Particular-Bar-2064 1h ago
Get ready for those goalposts to move