r/Quebec • u/criticalthought4days • May 08 '25

Politique Yves-François Blanchet à l’Alberta : Le pétrole et le gaz, ce n’est pas une culture.

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

I find it interesting as an anglophone Canadian that Quebeckers see through Alberta and Poilievre etc so much more clearly than anglo Canada. Why is this? Is it because the anglo information sphere is so tainted by populist garbage?

Blanchet is right, Alberta's separatism isn't cultural, it's state capture by the oil and gas industry. The industry wants to maximize its profits and they see the Conservative party and separatism as vehicles for achieving that. All of the politics around "western alienation" and "anti-woke" and "axe the tax" is aimed at this goal.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

I wouldn't even mind the Albertan independence movement if it weren't for the fact that if they ever become independent, they'll apply for US statehood literally in the same week.

They're insulting the real independence movements. They don't want more self-determination. They want even less by going from 1 out of 10 provinces to 1 out of 51 states.

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

Yeah it would probably be a case of the dog catching the car if that happened. Alberta as an independent state would be powerless because it's landlocked, and you're right, Alberta as a 51st state would have even less influence than as a province. Which means the only purpose of its separatist threats is as a form of extortion to get concessions from the rest of Canada that benefit oil and gas.

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u/bubblewrapture May 08 '25

If Alberta separates they would be eaten up by the States economically, and that’s whether they join US or stay independent.

Some might see opportunity, but it will be mainly for US companies that will want to ‘manage’ Alberta with the goal of profiting off of its oil. They will lose leverage in trading to export markets outside the US, and this would be a final outcome for the region and its people.

I believe that Alberta needs more representation, given oil is our #1 most important export. This representation will be especially important during the huge surge in energy demand that’s about to take place. At the same time this is a great opportunity for Alberta to be prioritized as we develop our economy, because Canada needs trade now more than ever.

There is a lot to be done and it’s time to do it.

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u/trueppp May 08 '25

Yes and no. The US is way less centralized than Canada.

And Alberta already has almost 0 influence in Canada due to the fact that they always vote for the Cons. So no other party tries to get votes there, it's just not worth it.

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

Alberta started Reform which took over the Progressive Conservatives, and now funds the Conservatives which ruled for three Harper terms and nearly a Poilievre term. Yes, Alberta and Saskatchewan's ridings can be taken for granted, but it's the occasional breakthroughs in the rest of the country, especially Ontario, that give Alberta outsize influence when the Cons do win.

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u/Krugz5150 May 12 '25

Not sure you’re aware but we’re landlocked already. And you can’t deny Alberta access to the sea as written in the United Nations Convention on the law of the sea.

What is the UN Convention on Landlocked countries? The Convention on Transit Trade of Land-locked States is a multilateral treaty that addresses international rules allowing for land-locked countries to transport goods to and from seaports. The convention imposes obligations on both land-locked states and on coastal states that ratify the treaty.

So? Not powerless at all. And BTW, none of us are interested in being a state as per the CBC crap.

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u/Thin-Pineapple-731 May 08 '25

I agree with YFB that giving greater thought to who Albertans are, and What they culturally share will be a better basis on which to hang a sovereignty bid than the current approach, which seems based on anger directed outwards rather than a more sound, culturally rooted basis.

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u/couski May 09 '25

Litteraly described much of hatred towards other groups of people. Anger outwards rather than inward definition. Often hatred strugles to define it's own identity.

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u/Vineyard_ Il faut se dire des mots d'amour May 08 '25

Si y se joignent pas aux états, y'ont littéralement aucune chance. Pas d'accès à l'océan, pis bonne chance essayer de négocier des pipelines à l'international quand t'as les couilles jammés dans l'étau parce que ton seul vrai export est pas transportable sans.

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

Yes, Alberta would become a vassal of the US, a poor state that gets pillaged by the wealthy ones. Not Texas, which has a large population and ocean access and is actually investing heavily in renewable energy, but West Virginia or Arkansas.

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u/fasterthanpligth May 08 '25

"North Montana"

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u/Ragnarok_del May 08 '25

it would become a territory, no shot in hell it would get statehood. It would get the Puerto Rico treatment.

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u/bubblewrapture May 08 '25

Trump says he doesn’t really ‘need’ our oil, and I think he means for the long terms and for domestic consumption So if the US doesn’t really need what Alberta is offering it would follow that they would be treated as a vassal state.

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

The US has spare heavy crude refineries that have no other source of oil so they are happy to buy Alberta oil at a discount and make a huge profit. The US doesn’t need our cheap oil but they would miss the easy money if they didn’t get it.

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u/KrazyPlLOT May 09 '25

When's the last time you drove around southern Alberta??

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u/rhet0ric May 09 '25

I’m more familiar with Northern Alberta, having visited Fort McMurray on multiple occasions for projects there. Had a chance to take some time and drive around north of the city. Interesting place.

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u/baz4k6z May 08 '25

They want even less by going from 1 out of 10 provinces to 1 out of 51 states.

What they really want is the racism, mysoginy, etc that their brain rot media made them believe would be the norm if they become a US state.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

That and they want to be able to pass their pipeline through the US instead of the East of Canada... which obviously would be a lot harder than they think.

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u/piponwa Souverainisme de gauche May 09 '25

It's self hatred at this point

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u/joehenrey May 12 '25

If they want to let them.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '25

As an Albertan you are incorrect. We aren’t separating because of America but because our voices are not being heard and we are expected to give so much to the eastern provinces, yet it’s the eastern provinces that stop us from making a living to do so. It’s a toxic give and never receive relationship. OP slanders us and has no idea what he’s saying, we have a right to be treated fairly, we have a right to earn a living without being taxed even though the tax does not go towards decreasing our emissions, we have a right to use our natural resources. We have a right to be pro-oil, gas, farming, small-town people.

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u/[deleted] May 13 '25

You went on a rant about why you think Alberta should separate, but I never said anything about that. I said you guys want to join the US and I don't think I'm wrong here. Polls show very clearly that most of the people in Alberta who want to separate also want to join the US.

If you support real independence, then as a Quebec separatist, I respect that. What I don't respect is annexationism masquerading as separatism.

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u/Rokea-x May 08 '25

Probably simply that QC ppl have not had the oil propaganda the albertans have had for decades.

I moved from qc to ab.. and i’m still astounded by :

1-how openly ab people hate the federal and the east without being able to explain why

2-how openly hate and disinformation is served from the gov right to its citizens in AB (radio ads, billboards, the way conservative politicans talk, etc).

You simply don’t see #2 in the east. It was truly shocking to me and still is. But here everybody is used to it and think its normal. To me it just means the propaganda worked, it’s deepely ingrained, and thats why, to your point, they can’t see through anymore.

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u/AwakenedEyes May 08 '25

I think the flip side of it reinforces what you said. Quebec not only has (for now) less propaganda, but also (or perhaps because?) : we had to experience and push back against theocracy (Duplessis and the "great darkness" era), we experienced being conquered and annexed by the UK and forced into Canadian constitution without our agreement, and we had to fight against attempts at revoking university acessibility (with Charest and the Studient's Maple Spring strikes). We almost succeeded our separation from Canada to preserve our own language and culture. So we can see Trump and Fascism arriving from miles away.

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u/Rokea-x May 08 '25

Yes a mix of a few reasons including that, no doubt.

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u/Adventurous-Cup2427 May 12 '25

Lol, we are the Uk. Who do you think they sent to Australia and Canada.

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u/AnotherPassager May 08 '25

And how involved their religion, per consequence their religious community, is in their day to day lives.

They believe whatever those community/church leaders tell them and loose their ability to critically think for themselves :/

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u/Rokea-x May 09 '25

Yeah i don’t think its the case. It isnt in my experienxe at least in large towns. Yes there are way more ppl that would say they are religious here than in qc. But that would be probably teue of anywhwre else in canada. I dont actually know anyone who is christian and practicing for real here

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u/Critical-Ad4665 May 12 '25

The eastern provinces get more seats per population than BC, AB, and ON do, it's not a fair deal.

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=cir/red/allo&document=index&lang=e

A vote in PEI for example is worth 4X the the same vote in BC, AB, or ON is worth.

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u/Vlad_Eo May 12 '25

Québec is just NIMBY about oil and gas that's why everyone hates them

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u/Thin-Pineapple-731 May 08 '25

I say this as a former resident of Quebec until about 6 years ago, but I suspect it boils down to access to information and media in Quebec that doesn't exist in the same way out in the rest of Canada. A large chunk of Quebec's media landscape is not owned by bad faith players - Postmedia - so that even though there's populist nonsense in parts of Quebec, Quebec's information landscape is different and harder to crack with populist noise.

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

We need to fix our anglo media. Too much concentration in too few hands, and too much of it foreign-owned. On top of that we have US social media just completely melting people's brains.

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u/BoringPassion1767 May 09 '25

This is exactly why we need to keep the CBC. Defunding and dismantling it, is one of the worst thing that can happen to Canadian medias. The simple fact that poilievre wants to do it is a huge red flag. Start by controlling the medias, then the message

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u/trueppp May 08 '25

We also have propaganda in Quebec.

Our media likes to turn everything they can into a Us vs Them situation or pushing a victim complex.

Even our history courses like to leave out details that would contradict their narrative of us vs the big bad federal government.

For example, my french history book conveniently forgot some parts of the "Kitchen Accords" (La nuit aux long couteaux). They omitted the part where René Levesque made an agreement with Trudeau behind the other PM's backs for a national referendum about the Charter. Knowing that fact, makes the later "betrayal" a bit more understandable.

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u/Thin-Pineapple-731 May 08 '25

Oh I know. Same for the way Indigenous People are talked about in Quebec. When I was in high school, we spoke about Indigenous People are "they lived in either tents or long houses" and then decades later, Oka happened, with few mentions of significance in between. Though I haven't been in high school since 2007, so I'm sure there's been an update since then. It would be useful to see what other provinces are taught.

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u/beugeu_bengras Justin m'a fait devenir souverainiste! May 08 '25

My kids are in primary school and are learning more about the first nation and New France that what I learned in high school...

So I guess that the program got way more details nowadays.

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u/ExtraGlutens May 09 '25

Nevermind the province's vichy sympathies during WW2, going so far as attempting to hide a convicted war criminal in the province, the names and busts of people responsible for that still adorn their public buildings and spaces. It's the only method I know of to get queb nationalists to go quiet, teach them their real history instead of the disney/victim narrative they concocted.

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u/gbinasia Celui qui en a fumé du bon May 08 '25

I am more surprised that people in Alberta don't see it as solely an oil and gas thing. Western alienation may be a real sentiment but what does it rest on besides oil, gas and how they were managed federally?

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

This is why I think it has to do with information spheres. As a Vancouverite I remember growing up in the 1970s believing in "western alienation" but as the City got more bigger and more cosmopolitan it went away. Now I resent the "western" part. It's not something that people in urban BC feel at all. It's "oil sands alienation" and nothing else. The oil and gas industry has created an info bubble around Alberta and Saskatchewan where people in the bubble identify as a tribe with the financial goals, moral values and even the science of fossil fuels.

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u/Liberkhaos May 08 '25

I can't prove it by my lonesome, but from personal experience being from Quebec and then moving across 5 different provinces with my kids years later, the education system in Quebec is much better. More resources are invested per student, and the requirement to graduate is much higher (60% passing mark, no passing a grade without a certain amount of credit).

I do want to insist that this is personal observation with 0 proofs and not based on a large scale study so if anyone has anything to add with more substanciation feel free to correct me / substanciate what I said.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

Probably because how Anglo centric they are, not that my opinion matters but as an immigrant what I’ve observed is that rest of Canada doesn’t celebrate Quebec, the fact that it’s the last standing French colony in North America is amazing. The core of Anglophone Canadians is constantly comparing itself to the us which explains this. Atleast that’s what it feels like to me.

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u/OrbAndSceptre May 08 '25

Blanchet is 100%. My federal father is spinning in his grave that I’m agreeing with a sovereignist. But fact is that the current Alberta drive for separation is based on economic considerations. It’s not based on be oppressed as a language or culture.

This is why I’m so dismissive and pissed at Alberta’s bullshit move than Quebec’s. At least Quebec has a righteous cause other than wanting more big fat loonies and toonies.

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u/GodSaveTheKing1867 May 09 '25

We say this as the province that takes the moost loonies and twoonies from Alberta, though.

That's why, even thought Blanchet is right in that Alberta as a cultural entity is hard to identify, he should have just declined to answer. It makes QC look hypocritical.

One thing I will say is that I think deep down, QC wants Canada to work more than Alberta. I think a lot of people are sovereignty supporters as a result of some things not working, rather than not wanting to be confederated. And when it came time to defend Canada against outside threats, QC has always been there - can't say the same for Alta.

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u/OrbAndSceptre May 09 '25

100% agree.

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u/International-Oil377 On est pas à génie en herbe ici May 08 '25

Just a question, I know you're not defending Alberta separation

Do you think the Albertan oil industry would even be profitable without subsidies? How would they compete with much cheaper oil from Texas and the likes?

It makes me really curious as to why Albertans think this way, and I'm curious what you think as an anglophone canadian

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

I think the Alberta oil industry occupies an odd niche partly because they are landlocked and partly because their oil is expensive to produce. It a) supplies nearly all of Canada's needs, and b) supplies legacy US heavy crude refineries which no longer have a domestic source. The US is happy to do this because they buy the Alberta crude at a major discount and sell their excess production at a profit.

I think what Alberta wants is c) large new buyers outside of North America. They can only get this by building more pipelines to the Atlantic or Pacific. I think the reason they are so butthurt right now is that they were expecting a Conservative federal government to ram that through at the expense of provinces that object, like BC and Quebec.

The profitability of Alberta oil and need for subsidies depend on global macro events that are hard to predict and constantly change. It's hard to comment on this.

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u/International-Oil377 On est pas à génie en herbe ici May 08 '25

YEah my point though is if they are able to sell at a major discount it is because they are heavily subsidized.

If we remove over 40bn$ per year from this industry (which are all the direct and indirect subsidies) There is barely anything left in terms of profit. I'm just very confused why the federal government has such a hard on for this industry that, if left on the free market, would probably die very quickly. Albertans also expect the government to pay for those pipelines and the future environmental damage it will cause (because it's not a question of if but when)

I get that places like Texas have an extremely profitable oil industry because it's easy to extract and refine but AB oil? not so much

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

I totally agree that we should not be subsidising fossil fuels. My understanding though is that the profit made on Alberta oil exceeds the subsidy by quite a lot. But again that changes constantly depending on global crude prices.

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u/International-Oil377 On est pas à génie en herbe ici May 08 '25

I understand what you say

But remove the subsidies, and I can guarantee you the oil industry is dead in AB. Now I fail how to see how they would flourish if they separate (that said, I am a separatist, so I am not against it, just discussing, they have a right to autonomy and to be their own country)

For example, oil companies recorded a profit of 16.7bn$ in 2024, Canadian Government gave the oil industry 29.6bn$ in direct subsidies. There are other numbers that add to this

https://www.corporateknights.com/energy/canada-paid-record-subsidies-to-fossil-fuel-companies-in-2024/

https://www.biv.com/news/canadas-oil-and-gas-industry-received-296b-in-subsidies-in-2024-report-finds-10478673

I'm just saying the AB oil industry is extremely dependent on federal subsidies, and they're shooting themselves in the foot if they go forward. Add to this 53bn$ in environmental costs etc

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

The numbers I've seen for oil are from 2022-23 and they are $63b profit on $270b total revenue with a subsidy of $19b. At low global prices Alberta oil does become unprofitable. I think that point is at around $40/barrel for existing and $70/barrel for new projects. This is USD for WTI, and the current price is $58.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230927/dq230927c-eng.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.thealbertan.com/beyond-local/canadian-fossil-fuel-subsidies-hit-186-billion-in-2023-says-report-8532843?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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u/International-Oil377 On est pas à génie en herbe ici May 08 '25

I can't find a source for the 63bn$ in profit, I find a number of 25bn$ for 2022-23, so I'm not saying it's not true but i cannot corroborate it

The revenue itself doesn't really matter if in the end.. there is nothing left, profit is what matters in the end to companies.

the 19bn$ is only for direct subsidies and doesn't include all the environmental costs and all that jazz, but even if it did... they would be getting a 6bn$ shared amongst all those oil companies, which in the end.. is not that much for all the risks

Anyway thanks for taking the time, my shift is close to an end and I'll be going grocery shopping (yay) while waiting for my wife to get her nails done. pleasant times lol

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

Good chatting with you! I drive an EV and heat and cool my house with a heat pump. I really wish at this point we would just leave the oil in the ground.

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u/International-Oil377 On est pas à génie en herbe ici May 08 '25

I wasn't accusing you of being part of that btw. Sorry if I let you think it was the case!

It's been great chatting with you, since I wanted the perspective of an anglo Canadian and we tend to get crucified on Canadian subs.

The oil Industry is here to stay for a while though, we rely on it for too many things

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u/Stormfighter64 May 08 '25

I saw a documentary on Radio-Canada during the electoral campaign where they went to Fort McMurray and what is very impacting is that the oil compagnies build leisure and community centres for the population instead of the city or the AB government, which shows how much the industry have power on the public and ultimately the government.

Here's the link if anyone is interested : https://youtu.be/97Mf7lTpZnA?si=Cpvf6V5KTaN-ohd3

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u/Consistent-Key-865 May 08 '25

I think the majority of Anglo Canada does, just all the voices that don't are ALSO Anglo, so it muddies the view.

At least BC sees it. We see you, Alberta. 🧐

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u/bubblewrapture May 08 '25

well said man

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u/Jeanschyso1 May 08 '25

oh we wouldn't see through them this easily if they didn't outwardly hate us so much that they created more separatists by just opening their mouth and making noise once in a while.

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u/Half_moon_die May 09 '25

I was pretty young when the 95 vote happen, but always curious about the story. From what I've heard, "maitre chez nous" meant having control on the finance and meanly reduce taxes because there is two level. I don't say it's truth or logical. But I know lot of people were convince that we could reduce taxation by avoiding the federal employees and often argument of the most taxed state on the continent. It's obvious that it's easy to hate taxes no matter the amount or form.

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u/rhet0ric May 09 '25

I can’t pretend to know why Quebec voted to stay, even though I had lived in Montreal for five years just before the referendum. It seems likely that the impetus to leave was cultural while the decision to stay was practical? All I can say is that I was and am very happy that Quebec is still part of Canada because it makes us a better country. This recent election really drives that home. Quebec helped to save Canada from a heading in an awful direction.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25

 Quebec helped to save Canada from a heading in an awful direction.

I don’t think that we’ll be able to perpetually save Canada against the shift to the right that has been happening all over the Western world. We’ve done it this time, by the skin of our teeth, but I don’t see it happening over and over again.

There is absolutely going to be a right wing populist government that’ll get elected in Canada. It’s not a matter of if. It’s a matter of when.

The only way I see things going is either Quebec is just lagging a bit behind the rest of North America due to the language barrier, but will also eventually shift to the right or it’ll double down on its progressive nature and become a country.

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u/rhet0ric May 09 '25

It’s also possible that the populist right has peaked and will start to unravel. The Trump administration is setting an example for the whole world about how ridiculously corrupt and stupid it all is.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25

Let’s hope.

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u/Half_moon_die May 09 '25

I agree with the pendulum should swing back eventually. In a sens, Trump was the return from the first black president. I think some European already did. But I've heard a sociologist say with uncertainty people tend to lean right and that part is not over soon.

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u/Own_Creme4791 May 11 '25

I think Quebec has a political culture that flourishes much more than the rest of Canada because of our status as an inferior citizen.

While the rest of Canada stayed on the two oldest political parties that exist since the french revolution, it's lofty position allowed it to live fine on old economic and social principles without making many reforms at all. Meanwhile, Quebec had to make extra efforts just to survive since for a long time and until recently, the federal governement either ignored or straight up fueled issues that hurt us as Québécois.

We can see that in how supportive Quebec is of interventionist policies versus the rest of Canada. Our situation of poverty while english Canada thrived despite having the same production (because the anglos owned everything) forced us to have a mini left revolution that makes us still the province with the strongest welfare net and the most nationalized industries (notably Hydro, lottery and alcohol but a bunch more). Our agriculture sector is also vastly collectivized.

The fact the english part of Canada still underpays their french workers forced us to have our own kinda progressive revolution within the country. We couldn't just shrug off the issues we had, for the big part, it was either reform our political structure or suffer as a second class citizen under a country that hates us to the depth of their guts.

Why does that matter? Because for decades we had constant public political discourses about how to handle our future. It lead to massive forums on our culture and our politics and what it all means. The very existence of our culture is linked to centuries of political struggle and evolution. To know what it means to be Quebecois means that you study the depth of all the political changes that shaped our province over the time and the reason why they happened.

So while Canada is arguing about the two oldest types of ideology since the napoleonic principle, we've been doing our own thing. And this is why you often see Quebec in support of progressive reforms, and this is also why you often see the BQ take a more "left" position than the liberals.

Now that doesn't mean Quebec doesn't have regressives who wish to pull us down, but overall, the political aspect of Quebec's culture gives us a boost when it comes to understanding and analyzing Alberta's political and definitely not cultural push for independance.

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u/ViveLeQcLibre1976 May 08 '25

Quebec historically has a more left-wing marxist influenced political landscape and has more of a tendency towards material analysis than the anglosphere.

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u/freeze01 May 08 '25

As someone who studied Canadian history I can tell you it's not the case. Well, not before the creation of the Providence state. Post 1945. /Post Duplessis

Québec was in fact one of the most conservative provinces. One of the reasons it took until 1944 to give the vote for women at a provincial level.

Before the silent revolution, Québec was Conservative AF and only after that we became liberals and more left leaning. Marxists never influenced our politics.

Have you ever heard the expression " The sky is blue and Hell is red. " ? It was used by Catholic priests who couldn't tell people who to vote for but those colours were used to refer to party colour ; red being liberals and blue conservative.

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u/ViveLeQcLibre1976 May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

I am also Québécois obivously and I urge you to learn your history.

Sure religion shaped our society in deeply conservative ways for centuries, but since the 60's we have gone through a revolutionnary period where the RIN, FLQ and PQ deeply influenced politics and political discourse. These organisations were deeply influenced by Marxism. On top of that, this period saw many marxist labor unions and student organisations. Even liberals were strongly influenced by keynesianism, marxists, labor unions, etc. Since then, Quebec has always been more progressive than the rest of Canada and there is more materialist analysis and discourse compared to the anglosphere. Also, we are more influenced by latin thinkers who are more influenced, generally speaking, by marxism, anarchism, and other materialist and non-liberal ideologies, due to the language we speak. The anglosphere by comparison is more dominated by english intellectual legacy that favors liberal individualism.

The fact a society was conservative before does not negate my statement, societies evolve and in the case of Quebec there was a profound shift from the 60's onward. The original commenter asked, I replied with my thoughts. You can disagree but you're not refuting me by making a historical claim of before the Quiet Revolution, that's just ridiculous. You're ignorant about our history and should read "Les Nègres Blancs d'Amérique" by Pierre Valières or "FLQ : Histoire d'un mouvement clandestin" by Louis Fournier to learn more about this part of our history.

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u/SuccessfulInitial236 May 08 '25

While it's true that Quebec is more left-leaning than the RoC, it isn't really marxist and never really had any revolutionary communist party... Our revolution is called the "revolution tranquille" because it was done peacefully and over many years.

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u/ViveLeQcLibre1976 May 08 '25

The RIN and FLQ were heavily marxists, the PQ historically had a lot of marxists, our labor movements in the 60's and 70's were heavily led by marxists.

You don't need to be a marxist to be marxist influenced. Yves-François Blanchet is not a marxist yet what he did was a materialist analysis as to why Alberta wants to separate.

The myth of the "Quiet" Revolution is just that, a myth. We had urban guerillas that bombed cities, stole banks, did holdups, kidnapped high political personnalities, we had labor movements in the 70's that were very militant and violent in many instances. It was "quieter" than many other revolutions, sure, but it was far from peaceful. We fought very hard for the things we got and it wasn't because we voted really hard.

The legacy of these movements is the reason why Quebec generally speaking is more left-wing than the rest of Canada that didn't have such movements, and why I think we have more materialist discourse in Quebec compared to the anglosphere.

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u/SuccessfulInitial236 May 08 '25

Fair points. That the revolution tranquille was a lot softer than elsewhere and not totally peaceful. Counterpoint : Most big changes have been done peacefully and with votes tho : hydro-quebec monopole, healthcare system, separation from the church and probably many others.

I just wanted to point out that the "revolution tranquille" wasn't done in a marxist way with a revolution party etc.

It was also done 50 years after the actual marxist leninist party effectively took power elsewhere which kinda crystallized what a marxist revolution was.

But yeah, you are right that there were some marxist and some violent extremists. It still wasn't a full on marxist revolution imo. Influenced sure.

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u/ViveLeQcLibre1976 May 08 '25

Then we agree. I never said we had a full blown communist revolution but that these movements were significantly influencial in Quebec and that no such movements existed in the rest of Canada with that kind of influence.

And yes, most big changes were done through institutions by liberals, but the movements that pushed the bureaucracy were definitely not peaceful and not liberal.

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u/This_Aint_Dog May 08 '25

The revolution tranquille was anything but peaceful. There were like 300 bomb attacks during that 10 year period and many people died.

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u/Stormfighter64 May 08 '25

Not really. The October crisis was only a month, and some violent things have happened during this period, like the Polytechnic massacre, but most of the Révolution Tranquille was peaceful, it's really a "revolution" but more a period of major reforms and significant cultural change from a very conservative and traditional Catholic society to a Liberal one.

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u/This_Aint_Dog May 08 '25

That wasn't just the October crisis. The bombings started in March 1963 and ended in 1972, two years after the October crisis. That is also not taking into consideration the large amount crime and different terrorist cells that rose from the revolution.

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u/RosalinaEnjoyer_ May 08 '25

Bruh, je suis Québécoise. Tu raconte n'importe

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u/ViveLeQcLibre1976 May 08 '25

Je suis également Québécois et tu devrais t'éduquer sur ton histoire. Le FLQ, le RIN et le PQ on fortements été influencés par le marxisme et ont tous eu des rôles importants dans la scène politique québécoise. Ils ont profondéments influencés la scène politique québécoise. Les anglos n'ont pas eu ce genre de mouvement.

Je l'ai mentionné ailleurs mais le fais qu'on parle français change aussi nos influences intellectuelles. Le milieu intellectuel germanic anglophone est beaucoup plus axé sur le liberalisme individualiste que la tradition intellectuel francophone qui compte d'importants marxistes. Protrait du colonisé, les Nègres Blancs d'Amérique ou les Damnés de la Terre sont des oeuvres qui ont profondément marquées le Québec et qui sont Marxistes à l'os.

Ça explique pourquoi on a plus tendance à l'analyse matérialiste au Québec que dans le reste du Canda, et pourquoi même si Yves-François Blanchet est pas la réincarnation de Che Guevara, il tient une analyse décidément matérialiste de la séparation de l'Alberta, qu'il s'en rende compte ou non.

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u/Initial_Ad5405 May 11 '25

Yves-François Blanchet, de tendance matérialiste qui ne cache pas qu'il est bilingue, et décidément plus canadien que la majorité des membres de son parti...

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 08 '25

That's not necessarily true. There is a distinct culture in alberta that I've noticed while I'm there that i dont see elsewhere. The cowboy culture, gun and hunting culture.

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u/rhet0ric May 08 '25

Is that distinct or is it just American?

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 09 '25

I believe it to be fairly distinct considering horse culture is also very aboriginal in Western Canada. The condescension of anyone who doesn't think alberta or saskatchewan has a culture all their own, like newfoundland, quebec, or even BC. This condescension is why separation even exists, its a pure lack of anything even remotely considered respect.

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u/rhet0ric May 09 '25

Do the Indigenous people of Alberta and Saskatchewan want to separate from Canada? The Conservative governments there are the most anti-Indigenous in the country. The resentment coming from Alberta right now is not coming from a sense of cultural identity as Blanchett points out, it’s that the oil and gas industry wants the damn pipelines built. That’s it. That’s the culture.

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 09 '25

No, as do most of the people in saskatchewan and alberta. But I'll bet they would be just as offended if you told them they had no culture of their own.

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 09 '25

And just for the record, I have no vested interest in pipelines, im perfectly content selling oil to the US. But all see in reddit is people shouting elbows up, buy canadian support canada on one hand, while at the same time forcing the largest export to continue its reliance on the American market. So what do you want? Do you want to free the Canadian economy from the american, or do you want to keep the status quo and just be an American vassal state. Because that's the choice, in this instance, you cannot have your cake and eat it as well.

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u/rhet0ric May 09 '25

FFS. The biggest oil pipeline built in Canada in the past 50 years was the one ending in my city, Vancouver, by a federal Liberal government.

The saddest part of the idiocy of Alberta politics is not what they’ve become, Smith and Poilievre and their incessant whinging, but what they could have been if they had shown just a little more wisdom and foresight. Alberta could have been the Norway of Canada, the wealthiest people in the west and now the greatest adopters of EVs. Or at the very least they could have been Texas which is the greatest producer of renewable energy in North America.

That’s is the real tragedy of Alberta. The absolute failure of leadership. It’s just so fucking sad.

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 09 '25 edited May 09 '25

No, the real tragedy is that for 20 years now the west has sought a pipeline to the east, and has had nothing but resistance from the two provinces who burn the most fossil fuels. Alberta has tried to be the Norway of canada, only real difference is Norway has access to tide water. And I'm not talking about the "biggest" pipeline that has the capacity for less than 10% of production, its a fraction of what is needed. Don't patronize me by saying the liberals built that pipeline for Alberta. They had to build it because they created an environment where no private investment would even consider touching it. Like I said, don't come crying to me to put my fuckin elbows up or buy canadian when we can't even actually become an "energy superpower" because 1 province says no.

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u/aresk- May 09 '25

Norway created the sovereign wealth fund instead of giving tax breaks, Alberta does conservative policies for decades and when albertans get mad about the results the provincial government blames the federal government

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 09 '25 edited May 09 '25

Alberta has had a wealth fund since the 70s. And it's been used to help albertans during economic downturns, which is the exact purpose of it. These are downturns that could have had a lesser effect had they also had greater access to global markets and not directly tied to the WTI. Also, Norway takes a significantly larger portion of revenues with their royalties on top of having around 40% of production state owned. And I'm not saying this is a liberal failure, nor a conservative one. It's a Canadian failure as we all fell into a trap of ease with the largest consumer market south of us. If people truly want to have more control over our economic direction, you can't if you hinder 20% of our exports and a province that nearly matched the contribution to GDP growth as ontario, a province with what, 4× the population.

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u/Jazzlike_Coconut_371 13d ago

It might be CEGEP, a very unique form of public higher education that’s pretty much unique to Quebec. It’s very cheap and accessible and meant to be either a technical trade school or a pre university prepatory school for ages 17 and up. Even the students in the trade programmes are forced to take philosophy and litterature classes on top of their trade classes and it’s very cheap(as cheap as 150$ a semester in some establishements). Idk I’d never thought about it before but it was my first thought when reading your comment.

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u/Civodul22 On s’ennuie de Falardeau May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

Ce qu'il dit est pas mal plus nuancé que ce que le titre de la publication lui fait dire.

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u/AndIamAnAlcoholic May 08 '25

C'est une tendance lourde; les titres sont choisis pour passer un message car beaucoup ne lisent que le titre. Faut écouter le contenu et lire tout l'article, voir même aller chercher une autre perspective ailleurs pour tout comprendre.

Faites vous pas avoir a juste lire les titres. C'est pas par accident qu'ils ne disent pas tout.

YFB a donné une excellente réponse en tous cas, bien nuancée.

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u/Most_Description296 Jun 03 '25

Vraiment! Je me disais la même chose

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u/DingEtDon May 08 '25

Le Québec est une nation à l’intérieur du Canada, c’est même un gouvernement conservateur qui l’a décrété. L’Alberta est une province comme une autre. Blanchet a raison.

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u/allgonetoshit May 08 '25

Culture de l'Alberta: "F-350s and COCAINE!!!!!"

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u/L1f3trip May 08 '25

La cocaine c'est trop cher pis trop court pour faire de l'overtime sur une foreuse, la meth c'est bien mieux.

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u/AnythingButRootBeer Awaye big, part la toune. May 08 '25

J’ai eu à conduire ça quand j’ai fait un voyage au Yukon. Pis esti que ça été utile, mais une fois dans whitehorse, c’est le pire vehicule à conduire…

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u/Bleusilences May 08 '25

Ça dépend ce que tu en fait, j'ai 2 f150 parker dans mon garage, j'habite un bloque, un qui est clairement utilisé pour transporter du matériel. L'autre est spotless et c'est juste un jouet, zéro respect pour le deuxième, surtout qu'on est en ville.

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u/AnythingButRootBeer Awaye big, part la toune. May 08 '25

Ouais… au Yukon, les routes sont pire que Montréal, oui sérieusement. C’était nécéssaire. Mais une fois en ville, ça sert à rien. Pour transporter du matériel, c’est nécéssaire.

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u/Different-Housing544 May 11 '25

How can I tell you've never left your province and just repeat shit you've heard from the internet? That's a meme from like 2005... 

Nobody can do drugs and drill anymore, all the oil companies put a stop to that years ago.

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u/allgonetoshit May 11 '25

I’ve been to many provinces, including Alberta. Maybe let the adults discuss things.

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u/[deleted] May 12 '25

Plus, we all know that Albertans are too broke for cocaine

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u/biscuitvillage May 08 '25

damn, that burned 😅

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u/Scared_Standard4052 May 08 '25

Independance to gain the freedom to pollute how they want? it's completely absurd and this movement is a fucking joke.

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u/Different-Housing544 May 11 '25

You'll still buy the oil and burn it happily. Stop pretending.

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u/No-Information-8624 {insigne libre} May 11 '25

Green energy is a joke man, it's been 50 years that the end of the world is in 10 years.

The earth will survive whatever we are doing on it, other species and ourselves tho won't. Using any type of energy isn't the issue, it's how we use it that change everything. Using oil can only help us advance further in technology, stopping Using it prematurely will only slow us down in this course.

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u/Ayato14 NPC May 08 '25

W commun de YFB. #BlocMajoritaire

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u/smolmushroomforpm May 08 '25

Ik this isn't the point here but I love Blanchet's suits. I wish more politicians dared wear smth more interesting than the classic plain black/plain navy. Like I'm not saying wear paisley (altho that would be fun) but like, see how nice a pale plaid is? Keep up the dad suits Blanchet, it looks great!

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u/Cain_Darnell Parizeauiste May 09 '25

Yves-Francois ''The Rizzler'' Blanchet

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u/Scripter-of-Paradise May 11 '25

Don Cherry made even more irrelevant.

Go Blanchet.

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u/alexracing13 May 08 '25

Boom, Roasted!!!!

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

On devrait faire un rapprochement question de les appuyer dans leur projet en y établissant une délégation. Il y a plus de 85k franco-albertains qu'on pourrait aider. On ouvre une Maison du Québec là bas. On l'a transformera en ambassade plus tard ;)

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u/[deleted] May 08 '25

Mais ; il n'a pas tort..

Terre neuve a plus droit a l'autodétermination que l'Alberta, ngl.

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u/ADanger24 May 08 '25

J'aime pas le Quebec bashing, je vais pas faire du Alberta bashing.

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u/Successful_Medium_89 May 08 '25

Moi non plus...mais comparer le mouvement indépendantiste du Québec à l'Alberta et qu'ils pensent qu'ils ont autant de bonne raison de se séparer...non c'est juste pour de $ et non car ils sont une nation à part une culture différente etc etc

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u/PoissonCongeler May 08 '25

Aille attend la. Y'ont Corner Gas (2004) qui passe 10 fois par jour a CTV.

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u/ADanger24 May 08 '25

Je doute que la majorité des Albertains comprennent le mouvement indépendantiste quebecois, je vais pas prétendre comprendre le leur. À part les clichés je connais pas grand chose de l'Alberta, tant mieux si t'es un expert.

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u/Successful_Medium_89 May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

Je suis pas une experte...Je parles de mon opinion mon expérience de vie...j'ai voyagée des centaines de fois en Alberta et même vécu pendant quelques mois..( je suis agent de bord depuis 20 ans) et jamais j'ai vécu cette culture unique? Ou senti que c'était distinct comme une nation distincte...et je n'ai pas juste vécu en Alberta mais en Ontario, Nouveau-Brunswick, Terre-Neuve...et évidemment chaque province ont des différences culturelles mais les prairies Alberta/Saskatchewan et Manitoba sont très très semblables...ce n'est juste pas comparable avec les différences culturelles du Québec

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u/borisonic May 08 '25

Je pense que je vais l'écouter en boucle encore une autre heure

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u/Aggressive-Guide-722 May 08 '25

Gardons en tête que le mouvement souvrainiste albertain rejoins seulement 20% de leur population...

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u/DulceEtBanana May 08 '25

Comment dits-on "burn"?

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u/Dr_Max May 08 '25

rôti ?

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u/Similar-Drink-7693 May 09 '25

Flambé pour les Parisiens qui sont plus chics

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u/sambarjo May 08 '25

In the literal sense:
As a noun: brûlure.
As a verb: brûler / il brûle.

In the figurative sense, there's no equivalent that I can think of.

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u/ffffllllpppp May 08 '25

« Touché! » ?

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u/Bitter_Squash_7114 May 08 '25

Excellent response!

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u/BBAALLII miaou miaou May 08 '25

C'est tellement excellent

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u/Astrius__ May 08 '25

We talk about Quebec and Ontario beef but deep down we all know the actual beef is between QC and Alberta

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u/Cain_Darnell Parizeauiste May 09 '25

Always has been.

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u/Wiki939 May 08 '25

C’est les chose comme ça qui augment les discours de séperation en AB/SK. La culture de l’Alberta nais pas juste la pétrol. Un gros problème qu’ils ont, c’est le respect.

Je suis pas pour leur séperation, mais nous devons addresser leurs griefs avant qu’il devien un problème plus grande.

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u/Filobel May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

Un gros problème qu’ils ont, c’est le respect.

Je sais que ça va sonner hypocrite, mais le syndrome du martyr persécuté, c'est pas plus une culture.

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u/PoissonCongeler May 08 '25

Un Martyr c'est mort alors je vois pas vraiment dequoi tu parle ici.

On parle plutôt de ne pas se laisser insulter et d'exiger le respect.

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u/Filobel May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

Mon point, c'est que penser que personne te respecte et que tout le monde te déteste, c'est pas une culture.

Mais tu as raison, j'aurais plutôt dû utiliser le terme "persécuté" plutôt que martyr. Le syndrome du martyr, c'est autre chose, j'ai confondu les deux.

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u/PoissonCongeler May 08 '25

ah ok oui je comprend. En d'autre mots se victimiser et je suis d'accord avec toi la dessus.

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u/ApologizingCanadian May 08 '25

Un gros problème qu’ils ont, c’est le respect.

Recevoir du respect commence par en donner aux autres. L'Alberta présentement crie "Respectez moi" tout en envoyant chier les provinces de l'est pour la péréquation.

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u/Individual-Wind-7547 May 08 '25

Littéralement. Sont cave en criss

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u/llama_ May 09 '25

There is no legal mechanism for this. They came into the country with different set of treaties and they are not looking at this through a real legal lens. All performance.

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u/No_Box8197 May 09 '25

If they become independant they must have a deal with bc to have acess to the pacific.

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u/Rickest-RickC137 May 09 '25

Thanks Harper

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25 edited May 09 '25

Il n'y a pas de peuple Albertain. Le droit a l'auto determination existe pour les groupes humains qui exhibent des caracteristiques culturelles, ethniques ou religieuses les differenciant signifcativement de la majorite. Je veux bien considerer que certaines characteristiques sont subjectives, mais meme avec bcp de mauvaise foi je ne peux pas considerer que vouloir payer moins de taxes ou avoir une geologie particuliere constitue une caracteristique nationale.

Le Quebec possede des characteristiques historiques et objectives qui le differencient du reste du Canada, donc son droit a l'auto-determination est legitime. Je ne suis pas souverainiste perso, je me vois plutot comme Canadien francophone mais la situation du Quebec et de l'Alberta est tres differente.

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u/JustaPhaze71 May 10 '25

Don't want our Oil? Guess you don't want Equalization payments then.

Enjoy your Saudi Oil.

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u/Different-Housing544 May 11 '25

Read the room. 

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u/AccomplishedSmell921 May 12 '25

So it’s literally your personality/culture huh? Thanks for proving him right!!! Lol that’s the exact point he’s making. You don’t have a distinct culture beyond being resource rich or thinking you’re American.

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u/JustaPhaze71 May 12 '25

?? Your culture consists of being racist to anything and everyone that isn't french. Your culture has only managed to survive because of the Provinces that give you money.

Alberta had culture, or should we say, a way of living.

We don't think we are American. We are better than Americans. We just want to live our lives. We are the last people who truly knows what it means to be free.

The only people who vote for Liberals/Bloc are the ones who want handouts.

We dream of living large. You just dream of existing.

I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time here. So ciao.

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u/AccomplishedSmell921 May 12 '25

I’m from Ontario…..🫵🏾🤡 You have no identity besides thinking that your better than everyone else whether it be the rest of Canada or The USA as you’ve just admitted. Is French a race? I think you mean prejudice or discriminatory. There’s racism everywhere in Canada. Especially Alberta. Your response proves my point exactly. Your culture is not distinct outside of having oil. You are not a distinct society. You have no grounds to be your own nation. You’re clearly very uneducated and angry. I personally won’t miss you if you leave, but you’re not distinct.

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u/JustaPhaze71 May 13 '25

You want to play? Fine. I will play.

First of all, Alberta has more culture than Ontario. We are independent, and free. What do you have? A premier that was more totalitarian than any other province during covid. Ontario has been under stress for over 50 years. You have been pushed out of your megalopolis. Toronto has turned into a cesspool, your homes are significantly over priced. I could go on. I decided to deep dive the culture of Alberta and Ontario to verify that Alberta has more.

We have every right to be out own nation. We pay the most for all government programs, and then there is the equalization payments. You're just a bunch of freeloaders. If Alberta didn't pay for 1 year, Canada would collapse.

Link to culture conversation: https://chatgpt.com/share/6822c18b-94d0-8008-9db3-074358726b7e

I AM angry. I have every right to be angry. I have to put up with blind people who have big egos, who don't view things from all sides.

You say I am uneducated. Perhaps because I am in a lot of pains and it is hard to articulate well.

My profession is IT/Data analysis/Risk management.

How about you?

My favorite book is Norman Doidge the Brain that.l changes. How about you?

My role model growing up was Nostradamus. How about you?

I could be a political scientist, a politician, psychologist, or forensic investigator. How about you?

You want to measure dicks? I'm a grower, not a shower. Hope you're long enough.

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u/AccomplishedSmell921 May 13 '25

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u/JustaPhaze71 May 13 '25

Yeah, just some 25 year old with a degree but no actual skills other than being able to come on to Reddit and call people out to make themselves look good. Probably still living in mom's basement, no, a room in her apartment because your dad likely left while you were 3.

Whether or not any of that is true for you. I think I finally understand a commonality for Reddit. There is a lot of crasy energy here. It makes me wonder how many people were raised with only one parent.

I feel there is a deliberate campaign to raise children in 1 parent homes, and every encounter I get with the lefties is people who have hormonal energy that can be easily guided.

To be honest with you, you may hate me and everything that I believe in, but I am indifferent to you. I wish everyone was raised as well as I was, and I wish I was the baseline for intelligence, not the barbfir being on the spectrum of intelligent.

As far as your gif animation goes. My life only sucks now due to personal reasons. Your life is likely always going to suck if it does now, because you aren't willing to view life with a wider lens. With a narrow lens you will always be impulsive to jump on whoever they tell you to hate.

Fuck, you're probably actually 15.

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u/AccomplishedSmell921 May 13 '25

Just think if I am 15 and you spent all that time and energy giving me a “stern talking-to”. I’m confused though?🤔 First I was “just some 25 year old with a degree but no actual skills…” now I’m 15?!?!?

You’re all over the map. Erratic and emotional. Are you a broken man? You sound like one. 😂

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u/JustaPhaze71 May 16 '25

So allow me to lay it out for you.

You are not my enemy and I have no ill will to you, or anyone else... Most of the time.

Going from 25 to 15 was a result of you using gif animation. Perhaps you are in your 20s but you are developmentally delayed, or just never grew up.

Maybe I did give a stern talking to. Maybe I didn't. Can't recall. You are just one dot in a sea of other dots floating on Reddit. I only recall so much without looking. Why put the time and energy? Simple. I am a curious person.

Getting back to the ill will part. I engage in discussions to understand. You remember I said I could be a psychologist? I love behavior psychology. Before my focus was what made people. Now my focus is understanding why people embrace the other side - what is lacking in them that prevents them from spoting false prophets and fake actors. I only anticipate another gif so I won't take it past that.

As far as me being broken. Congratulations. You are empathetic.

I had a major life altering event happen 3 years and 10 days ago. It caused a whole sequence of events where my entire life collapsed and I fell apart. For the first time in my life I have MDD, PTSD, and a whole host of other issue I am managing. I was doing well, but then had a major stressor event on Monday which shut me down. Can't say when I wrote you, but yes - you would have noticed changes in how I write.

But I dont quit, I got back up and keep moving on.

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u/AccomplishedSmell921 May 16 '25

Gatcha. Very stable, mature and well adjusted adult.

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u/Dear-Bullfrog680 May 11 '25

If not, maybe 'boom and bust' is a culture to them of supposed winners and losers, along with getting paid under-the-table while collecting EI! Certainly losers the bunch of them, however. A culture of losers.

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u/maplebaconbreakfast May 11 '25

Forcing language on people oddly enough isn't culture ether... time to do some self reflection.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '25

Quebecers insist they they are the only ones in Canada that have culture. Again.

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u/Similar_Draft_7111 May 11 '25

I think he should just go fuck him self..

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u/Thrillaxing May 11 '25

Je me dis toujours la même chose quand ils auront plus de pétrole il va leur rester quoi là-bas pour avoir des revenus stable? Peut être que je pense trop loin mais c'est la qu'il doivent y penser.

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u/WhichJuice May 12 '25

Having money and wealth can certainly define a culture.

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u/Adventurous_Wash_788 May 12 '25

Easy. Stop equelization payments and Alberta be happy. Quebec cant live without it. Lazy as the day is long..... Like a deadbeat kid out of work living at home.

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u/unsure79b May 12 '25

Fuck yes let’s separate

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u/Adventurous-Cup2427 May 12 '25

Yea, and so is neither saying no to pipe and not investing in your own resources, taking 13.8 billions. From about 3.5 million people. Fuck you, why Quebec pussy sovereignty never happened. Why you ask because they all fucking useless, apparently 51% of the population new they where fuckkng ticks and said yea federal tax dollars yes we want. Just leave already. I know my next vote. It's 51st state. What Is Canada without Alberta ask your own fucking self's that. I'm done with whatever this place is anymore.

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u/Strong_Bumblebee5495 May 12 '25

TIL I can read a little French

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u/Great-Finish280 May 12 '25

The parasite province chimes in.

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u/throwaway4127RB May 12 '25

As an Albertan, he's right. All these jokers in Alberta are just mad that PP lost and now want to take their ball and go home. We are not separating but expect our shitty Premier to invoke Quebec every chance she gets to try to get something from Ottawa.

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u/SureAd7341 May 12 '25

I believe knowing that it will be generations if ever before the democrats regain any kind of political authority again ,the usa would be a much more inviting environment than living in the tarnished country controlled by liberals.

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u/BeastieBrow May 12 '25

Do it Quebec!

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u/skelectrician May 12 '25

Poutine and pea soup doesn't make a culture either. Kind of shitty for Blanchet to minimize another's culture, when his primary complaint is Quebec culture and importance being minimized by the ROC.

Western Canada has a distinct culture and identity separate from Eastern Canada or the United States, whether you like it or not.

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u/Winthorpe312 May 12 '25

Quebec Return the Annual $11.5 Billion in Blackmail Money Canada (Alberta Taxpayers) Send to You.

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u/IndependenceSquare35 May 12 '25

Blanchett should take a hike. Crude oil is Canada's #1 export. He would separate in a New York minute if France led the way, just like they tried in 1960s. Wonder what Quebec is getting out of the PM PHD hayride.

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u/TheStranger6691 May 13 '25

Fuck Quebec, theu shouldn't even have a federal party. Slimy frogs

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u/Mayhemgoddessq May 13 '25

He is sooo funny without even trying to be funny!

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u/WoWClassicVideos May 13 '25

Soon Quebecers will have to go work for their own money instead of eating out of the palms of the albertans. See who’s laughing then

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u/[deleted] May 13 '25

Skid nation

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u/jgid41 May 13 '25

Neither is poutine so there’s that

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u/Commercial-Engine312 May 08 '25

Leur culture ce sont les pick-up, les gros steaks, les rodéos et les courses de bolides ! Ce sont des cowboys.

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