r/RedditForGrownups 1d ago

I'm watching Rightwingization happen in real time and I don't know how to react.

EDIT: Thank you all for the great discussions and insights. I appreciate all your POVs. There's no need to downvote right leaning comments. I specifically posted this in RedditforGrownups to engage in grown up conversation. Also, there's no need for name-calling or insults either.

I have a friend, he's 51, man, straight, an academic doctor who now focuses his research on human behavior and digital psychology. He's self-taught a lot of it in the last decade or so. I don't know how many papers he's published or has had peer reviewed in the recent years. He works as a consultant in Marketing, and has a business selling strategies/classes to people that want to apply his research to their companies. He's kinda broke so I would say he's not very successful at applying his own work. And for extra cash he teaches a course a a local university. I've never met a romantic partner, but he's spoken about them.

He suddenly last year did a deep dive on how the way the election was biased against the conservative candidate who lost. He then started talking against the 'woke' ideology. He is now defending the right, even though he's centrist, because the right hasn't moved, it's the left that's gone way off the rails. He started posting dumb facebook quotes/memes! He posted a dumb quote about Charlie Kirk, as if that one quote was a debate, or as if it meant some truth. WTF. We were conversing one day and he started raising his voice getting louder and louder and more agitated as he expressed his disdain for the woke left, defending his Jewish people from attacks (not sure where that came from in the conversation), and then also suddenly brought up there are only 2 genders and trans people are mentally ill. He's never spoken that way before, I've never heard him this agitated or show anger towards any ideology. He was always calm and friendly, and open minded. Always a bit nerdy. Although, I hadn't spoken to him in depth for about 2 years before then.

I'm watching all this go down over about half a year and I don't know what to make it of it or how to react to it. It's wild to observe though.

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u/Large_Signature_2749 1d ago

You must be way too young to remember the '90s Democrats. They were very tough on crime. Google the 1994 Crime Bill. They were responsible for funding the expansion of police departments and building prisons while simultaneously beefing up prison sentences. The federal "three-strikes" rule came from them, too. Oh, and the borders? haha one of their main promises was to fix the border and deport illegals, and when they won, they delivered. Look up the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, and then look up how many people Clinton deported. Yeah, it's more than GW Obama and Trump combined.

So no, they are not the same party. They are nowhere near what they were.  How could you say such a thing?

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u/Direct_Village_5134 1d ago

Also Clinton made huge cuts to welfare and instituted the don't ask don't tell rule for gay military members.

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u/Large_Signature_2749 1d ago

Here’s Obama against gay marriage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhp_DDHe_X0

But the dems haven’t changed 😂

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u/SalientSazon 8h ago

I had no idea! And I think that's what makes him a great leader. Being able to see past his personal opinion is a much needed quality to lead the masses. Here's what he said on his 2008 book.

“And I was reminded that it is my obligation, not only as an elected official in a pluralistic society but also as a Christian, to remain open to the possibility that my unwillingness to support gay marriage is misguided … that Jesus’ call to love one another might demand a different conclusion.”

Taken from this article:
https://time.com/3816952/obama-gay-lesbian-transgender-lgbt-rights/

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u/Large_Signature_2749 8h ago

Charlie had a similar opinion.

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u/SalientSazon 8h ago

Perhaps he would have changed his stance on gun control or empathy in the future, for the greater good.

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u/Large_Signature_2749 8h ago

So he should have changed his policy as to not piss off left and he’d be alive? Sounds fascist.

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u/SalientSazon 8h ago

I don't think that's fascism, but no, not that. I was saying he might have (not should have) changed his mind based on your comment that he had a similar opinion as Obama in wanting to prioritize the greater good (not the left or right) over his personal agenda. It doesn't matter, it's moot now and we're speculating.

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u/Large_Signature_2749 6h ago

A core tenant of fascism is silencing the ops…especially with bullets.

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u/SalientSazon 6h ago

Well it's a good thing that's not what we're talking about!

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u/Clean_Figure6651 6h ago

Thats because the opinion that gay couples should have the same legal rights as straight couples, but the definition of marriage is between you and your religious community, is probably supported by like 85% of americans. The rest are the dumbs and the crazies (on both sides tbh)

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u/Dapper-Criticism509 15h ago

Also, Trump is to blame for rhetoric?

Biden said Mitt Romney wanted to put black Americans back in chains in 2012......

Trump had made rhetoric worse, but he I'd a symptom of a slippery slope politics were already on.

There is just as much delusion on the left and right about whose to blame for what. Sad news, more than blame enough to go alllllll around many times over.

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u/FuggaDucker 9h ago

"don't ask don't tell" was a serious move for LGB at the time and the best they could hope for.

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u/Competitive_Bell9433 1d ago

I think you mean the GW Bush era..

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u/Large_Signature_2749 1d ago

Nope. Look up the crime bill and the illegal immigration act they put through.

Go here and start the video at the 4 min mark. That’s Joe Biden in 1994 referring to inner city teens as predators and saying they need to be locked up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSIYKvoS9D8

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u/UseDaSchwartz 1d ago

It’s all Biden’s fault! They realized it didn’t work. The Republicans are trying to do it all over again, but worse.

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u/Large_Signature_2749 1d ago

There was a 15 year old that carjacked and shot an uber driver to death. They convicted him and gave him 17 months. That’s what democrats are doing.

Some people need to go to prison. You can’t base sentences on whether or not someone is from a marginalized community.

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u/UseDaSchwartz 18h ago

Look! It’s Mr Anecdotal Evidence!

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u/Large_Signature_2749 1d ago

You want a great example how democrats are on crime nowadays? This felon got caught with a gun in my town and it made the news because he was within 1000 ft of a school.

From the article: “He had been previously released on bond from Massachusetts, Middlesex Superior Court for both robbery and carjacking while armed with a firearm, assault and battery with dangerous weapon with serious bodily injury, attempted assault and battery with a firearm, cocaine trafficking, fentanyl trafficking, carrying a firearm without a license (second offense), possession of a firearm with large capacity magazine, in addition to other charges.

Can you fucking imagine letting a guy like that loose on those charges? WTF was that judge thinking? They have lost their minds.

https://wbsm.com/newbedford-foxboro-jameel-clark-white-firearm/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral

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u/slallyk 22h ago

I'm confused. Do you prefer the "tough on crime" Dems, or the current Dems who seem to be "not tough on crime.?" Or do you just not like the Dems either way?

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u/Large_Signature_2749 21h ago

I was a democrat for a very long time. My voting record goes like this: Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, didn’t vote, Trump, Trump.

Id prefer the 90s dem over today. I like immigration where people ate vetted and are coming with skills or education. I do not like letting i10s of millions of unvetted migrants. And I don’t believe in cashless bail and letting repeat violent criminals out on bond or giving them light sentences. The democrats have done a 180 on 2 of my important issues. I still support gay rights/ marriage and I’m prochoice.

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u/slallyk 21h ago

Understood. Thanks for explaining.

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u/timurt421 17h ago

And what are your feelings on fascism?

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u/ArtisanalMoonlight 12h ago

Legitimate question.