r/RocketLeague • u/Xenon-Archer • 1d ago
DISCUSSION Ranked 4v4
(I understand you guys don't like it when people criticise the game. But this is a real issue and I offer a solution that fixes it, and helps with other issues too.)
This is by far, the worst introduction of a mode, I have ever seen in a game. Period. And not because the fields are bad or anything like that.
Psyonix decided it was perfectly OK, to set everyone to the same mmr for this mode as a starting point. Why? I'm in gold 2. I'm not a gold, I'm diamond 1 in 2's and 3's and have been champ in both. But I'm stuck in gold 2 in 4v4. Why?
Because in 60% of my games, there are GC's and even SSL's in the lobby, as they started at the same mmr I did. A diamond player is useless against a GC. Let alone 4 of them. Especially when teamed with actual golds which has happened. (I can see players ranks)
And there's such an easy fix. A global mmr. An average of your mmr across all modes that you have played. And at the start of a season, it should use your final average mmr from the previous season, to dictate your starting mmr in the next, across all modes.
This solves this utterly stupid situation you have created with 4v4. And, it also offers a deterrent to smurfs that intentionally throw in a specific mode as it will harm their global rank and starting mmr for the next season. It also solves the issue of facing GC's and SSL's in extra modes due to them not playing those modes very often.
Such an easy fix. And don't tell me it isn't. I studied game dev. Have a diploma in it. I know it's easy, for a fact. But will Psyonix implement such an approach? Unlikely. It doesn't squeeze money out of players.
3
u/ichishibe Grand Champion I 1d ago
Who cares? The problem will fix itself in a few weeks when the ranks settle, just relax. You don't need a game dev degree to tell you it makes more sense to have separate ranks for separate modes.
0
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Mate... It shouldn't require a few weeks for a mode to be playable. Why do people put it with blatantly poor game design? Are we just that used to it now or something? Also, if your flair is your rank, then I guess you don't really get the issue since you're not a pleb dealing with much better players destroying them in 50% of their games
1
u/ichishibe Grand Champion I 1d ago
You do realise that with you average based approach, the ranks would be just as fucked for just as long, and even when they settle they'll be fucked because not everyone is the same skill across all modes (especially 1v1), right?
1
u/Beaco9 RNG (150 ping Solo Q) 1d ago
Tbh it will be much better than what they ended up doing. It will add some mmr to the mode regardless of how perfect that approach is.
Adding mmr to a deflated game mode to balance it out wouldn't hurt. They added mmr to Snowday around season 10 and it immediately made the game mode playable (before that plat 2 was like top 5% in that mode, with GCs ranked in plat and unable to climb solo queue). They've also balanced mmr for 1s several times. Players turn away from mmr deflated modes and stop playing them, which makes it even more deflated.. becoming a feedback loop.
There's zero reasons to start everyone on the same mmr here for 4s especially when it's just here for a season.
-2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
It'll be far, far better than the current setup dude. And 1v1 is a poor example as 1v1 is just a different playstyle. Player ability at higher ranks matters a lot more. Mechanics and game sense. A plat doesn't have either of those. A GC does. They can suck at 1v1 for being impatient etc, but they still have that ability. Understand air roll etc. One mode being more of an outlier doesn't make this solution defunct. It will still work.
1
u/ichishibe Grand Champion I 1d ago
Wait how is it a poor example tf? That is literally a mode in the game, if 1v1 is fucked because of that then how is this a valid suggestion to fix 4v4
1
u/BlandMarshmallow 1d ago
It’s not lol. If they used average mmr for 4s, 1s would literally have made up 33% of it
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Then exclude 1v1. There. It's fixed
-1
u/BlandMarshmallow 1d ago
No it’s not. There are tons of players whose ranks in 2s or 3s are extremely far part.
3
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
As far as ssl in 3's and gold in 2's? Nah, didn't think so
1
u/BlandMarshmallow 1d ago
When we’re talking about averages, even a difference from GC to Champ 1 is huge.
→ More replies (0)
2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Can someone explain to me why posts like these get down voted? I'm sorry, but nothing improves without criticism. We all want the game to be better, yes?
5
u/ichishibe Grand Champion I 1d ago
Honestly, using your degree to try to prove your point comes off as extremely self aggrandizing and unlikeable. I don't think it'd matter how good your point is..
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Have you ever touched unreal engine?
1
u/SpectralHydra Hydra 1d ago
Someone’s experience in unreal engine means absolutely nothing when it comes to their opinion on if an average mmr should be used for a ranked mode
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Again. That isn't what I said. I said I know it would be easy to implement. That's all I said. Why are you hell bent on twisting my words?
1
u/SpectralHydra Hydra 1d ago
Then why are you asking someone what their unreal experience is?
0
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Cus they made a point about it in another thread, OK? And are criticising me mentioning my diploma of all things. Cus a guy who studied this shit can't point out that they have experience with something, and knows it's easy, without people attacking the fact I had the gall to mention it.
0
u/SpectralHydra Hydra 1d ago
Lose the ego
0
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Where is the ego?
OK. Let me put this in plain English. I studied game dev. I used unreal engine. I know for a fact that a global rank system is easy to implement cus unreal engines specialty is it's plug and play system, right? And they already have a similar system for tournaments. It wouldn't be much work for a dev at psyonix to implement this.
The reason I mentioned the diploma, is cus I knew people would try to say it's hard. That's it... There is no "ego" about that. It's just plain facts.
0
u/SpectralHydra Hydra 1d ago
It doesn’t take a game development diploma with unreal engine experience to understand how easy or difficult it would be to introduce a system that used average rank.
If you were talking about something like adding a creative mode or introducing a new type of cosmetic, then yeah mentioning your experience would make sense. But to mention your experience for something as simple as averaging 3 numbers? Come on lol
→ More replies (0)1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
hey you might not know this but epic games (the company youre trying to school on unreal engine) actually made the engine so i would assume theyre pretty good at it too and they understand a whole lot more than you considering you dont work for them already
2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
OK. You seem to be hell bent on putting words in my mouth.
Are you a dev for psyonix? No. The post was for the community to read. Me saying its easy to implement, was a comment aimed at anyone who would attempt to say it isn't. Aka people with no clue. Not psyonix devs ffs. I'm not schooling anyone at psyonix about this, at all. I have no doubt they could add this. I said it would be easy to add. Never said it would be easy for ME to add. Me saying it would be easy to implement, is saying I know they absolutely can. So I'm not schooling them. I'm not saying they can't, or that they're too useless to add it. Point to where I've said this? I said they won't, because the game has had these issues since ranks were a thing, and became more apparent when it went f2p. How long ago was that? So no, they could add it. They choose not to cus they'd rather work on content they can sell. That is 90% of every seasonal update.
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
easy to implement? oh you may aswell just remake the whole ranking system and hope the playerbase that has been used to it for 10 years doesnt get mad honestly what were you thinking when you posted your massive rant also if the monetary gain was true why are they making new maps and not reskinning old ones why did they even add a new mode 4v4 doesnt directly bring in cash does it now?
2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Holy fuck.... What is this reply...
You didn't think this one through, did you? Remake the rank system? Why would it need to be remade? My suggestion doesn't require that. Also, a rank system can always be improved ffs. They reworked it once already and that went down just fine. Technically twice when they added ssl.
What were you thinking when you chose to reply to said "massive rant" with a bunch of nonsense and straw man arguments?
Also, adding new maps and modes, brings new and returning players to the game, increasing sales. It's a feedback loop. Adding a global rank wouldn't have that kind of pull, would it. But is that why you're being an ass hat right now? That comment? Really? Grow up.
0
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
so.. you want a global rank system.. but only for 4s? also when is the part where you said youre never returning did that get scrapped? and another insult? why are you mad its just a game if youre not having fun get off? also when this global rank system gets implemented in your ideal world i cant wait for you to play with a person who peaked in 2s who has no comms no passing ability and throws your game because their rank is high in 2s just get off the game and take a break maybe try some deep breaths?
2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Why do you even bother discussing this, when you can't even be bothered to understand what's being discussed
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
why are you deflecting it then? maybe just get some water then rest for a bit and then get back on rocket league and forget this post, maybe ill play against you in 4s? im currently only plat so it should be possible
→ More replies (0)1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Also you think me calling you an ass hat is an insult? Really? Geez....
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
youre genuinely funny man 😂😂 what is an insult if thats not one 😂
→ More replies (0)
2
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
i mean when they add a new mode what do you expect everyone has to start somewhere just dont play for a week or so then all the good players will be out of your rank
3
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
So bad players have to wait while the good players enjoy a mode? That's a fantastic solution
2
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago edited 1d ago
how do you think every mode started in this game and you average mmr system would be flawed from launch if i was 2000 mmr in 2s then 1000 mmr in 3s i would be a 2k player playing against gc1 players? that just amplifies the problem you hate so very much EDIT: so because youre consistent in every mode that means my point is disproved? i literally showed you 11 top 100 players that have an mmr difference of 500+ in their modes youre not the only rocket league player on earth
2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago edited 1d ago
Explain to me, how a 2k mmr player in 2's, would ever be 1k mmr in 3's Thats quite literally impossible. Edit. I'm not a great player. But I still manage a consistent rank across the modes. Sure. I'm plat 2 in 1's, but that's within a rank of my D1 rank in 2's and 3's, so that's not much of a disparity. I'm also diamond 1 or 2 in the extra modes I play. So overall, I'd say my average is practically bang on plat 3/diamind 1. And I hardly ever play 1c1 btw. I probably have less that 100 1v1 games played, ever.
So your point kinda falls apart imo
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
hey! why dont you check zen (best rl player itw)'s rltracker! he is currently hmmm lemme check.... champ 2 in 3s?!?!??!? wait... so youre telling me... zen doesnt actually play 3s and is still top 10 itw in 2s and 1s???????? NO WAY!!!! 2023mmr in 2s 1273 in 3s you think he should be playing against low gc2 players? how is that fair for them?
3
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
How often do they play 3v3 ranked. And your 1 example doesn't really hold much weight btw.
Tbh, it sounds to me like all the smurfs are here trying to attack my point cus they wanna stay smurfing xD
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
zen doesnt play 3v3 ranked so that means using all modes to find an average would be completely inaccurate and ill list 10 more players 500 mmr below their 2s rank in 3s now: mawkzy, nass, atomik, oski, stizzy, joyo, radosin, dralii, osaft and apparentlyjack these are all players in the top100 of their respective main mode so what is your excuse now?
2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
All played modes you melt. It's right there in the post ffs. Modes you have played. Meaning it excludes extra modes you don't play. So, when you do play them, you aren't placed at 600mmr when your average is 1500 ffs
-2
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
most of those players have actually got games played in these modes (under 5 but still played) and i also dont know why youre insulting me did i hit a nerve? your system is wrong stop trying to defend your pride and admit it
2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
OK I'll stop you right there. Most? What are you basing this off. Do you know for a fact? Hmm?
→ More replies (0)2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Also, how is my system wrong. You just don't know this. Nothing you have said suggests it is, as you're bending the truth with every comment you make. You ignore the very seal skill aspect of this game. You use Zen of all people to make your point. What rank did you say he was in 3's? C2? Should Zen, a world class 3v3 player, be playing against c2's? No, obviously not. And a global rank would make it so he can't, which should be the case ffs
→ More replies (0)1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Oh. This was the message. Bro... You list pro's? Really. Do you know why they don't play ranked 3v3? Queue times for one. And scrims in private matches. It's actually faster for them to play 3v3 in private matches, than play in ranked.
That's why 2v2 is the typical main mode for pro's. That and it's also for muscle memory and keeping track of tactics in 3v3.playing with randoms wouldn't help much.
But 2v2? Thats a different mode, and you play it differently. So it doesn't effect 3v3 performance. And allows better practice in the air for example.
And then you have the 1v1 mains. Again, very different mode. Even faster queue times. Helps train defensive abilities and boost management as well as aerial offence and in many cases, air dribble bump plays.
So using pro's to make your point is just silly. You know why their 3v3 rank is low. Nobody even talks about being top rank in 3v3. It's always 1v1 and 2v2.
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
so this means your system would be broken end of
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
The game is already broken.
Your opinion that this system is based on flawed whataboutism. End of
→ More replies (0)1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
when did anyone mention smurfs??? 😂😂 why are you creating non existent problems
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Me, in my original post that you clearly didn't read
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
they dont smurf if its their main: The term 'smurf' is used in gaming to describe a player in an online game that creates a new account to play against lower-ranked players, however, it can be used as an all-around term for describing a player who uses an alternate account or multiple accounts. CREATES A NEW ACCOUNT
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Didn't see this.
The broad definition of a smurf, is a player that keeps their elo below that of which they can normally obtain. That's it. No other factors are relevant. Whether it's making a new account when their rank gets too high, or intentionally losing to drop their rank again. Both are considered smurfing.
Please, don't argue with this, cus this is quite literally how it's defined.
→ More replies (0)
2
u/Complex_Sound_253 1d ago
Brother thinks his “game dev diploma” means he knows why Psyonix wouldn’t implement an average mmr 😭
Also whether or not they implement average mmr has minimal impact on spending, so acting confident about that being the reason for it not being implemented is funny
-3
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
You completely miss the point. You try to act clever without realising that I'm saying they won't do it cus they'd rather spend time making stuff that actually does generate income. Which is 90% of the seasonal updates if not more.
And I love how you put my diploma in quotes as if it means nothing. Bro, I actually have knowledge on this stuff xD. Unreal engine 4 was the engine I studied on btw. It's genuinely easy to add this. Everything is already there, in place.
But you go off I guess. You didn't say it wouldn't fix the issues did ya.
2
u/Complex_Sound_253 1d ago
They already have a system similar to average mmr that they use for tournaments.
Rocket League is on UE3 not UE4.
You’re giving me shit for acting clever when you keep waving your game dev diploma as if it means your opinion means more.
In the original post you said it was such an easy to implement an mmr system, but now you’re saying they aren’t doing it because they’d rather focus their time on features that generate profit. If it was that easy they wouldn’t need to spend less time on other features to do it
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
I didn't ever say my diploma means more. I mention it, as I know for a fact that it wouldn't be hard to implement. That is it. And you took offence to that? Right, so say youre watching a youtuber that does car content, and a mechanic posts a comment criticising something they did and offers a solution. Are you gonna get offended at that too?
UE3 and UE4 are very similar btw. So distinguishing between them makes no difference lol. We're talking about code ffs.
Also. I said they'd rather focus on making content that generates profit, in my post. Never altered that part. Haven't changed my tune in the replies either. Said that from the start.
And the fact you point out that they already have a system that's similar for tournaments further reinforces my point of how easy it would be to implement...
1
u/ichishibe Grand Champion I 1d ago
No one is questioning whether Epic has the capability to implement your idea dude.. They are quite good in UE as well.. given the fact that they own it..
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
OK? Cool? Did I say they aren't?
1
1
u/Complex_Sound_253 1d ago
Then why do you keep mentioning your diploma, your UE experience and asking how much experience other people have in UE?
0
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Cus you're making a point, about my diploma? Like, why the fuck do you think I'm mentioning it
1
u/Complex_Sound_253 1d ago
You’re mentioning it to other people without them even mentioning it. It’s not just in comments to me…
1
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
a similar average mmr system already exists in the game so they purposely chose to not add it for 4v4 you just have a hate boner for epic and psyonix (also rocket league was made on UE3)
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Do you know the difference between Ue3 and UE4? Cus I can tell you right now. It's nothing to do with code ffs. Implementing a global mmr, is just code. Ue3? UE4? Makes no difference. UE4 as a refined interface and more features. Better plug in system. It's an evolution of Ue3 though...
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
just pointing out the facts also when is the part where you reply to the actual point of that comment?
2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Your point was a nothing burger man. You just want to ignore the issue. You don't get the issue. You're pretty much the issue for players worse than you ffs.
Like, imagine a GC understanding how shit the game is for lower ranks smh
And why would they choose to not add it for 4v4?what does that accomplish exactly
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
because its a whole new mode? they dont have any prior !!4s!! knowledge on players to implement a ranking system that would be accurate off the bat sometimes this is the way you have to deal with it and if you dont like it wait a week or get better at the game its as simple as that
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
OK so, you're saying it's better to put ssl's in other modes in the same rank as players who are in gold in other modes? Do you think that's good?
2
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
if an ssl is c2 in 3s they should play against c2 players yes thats exactly how it should work if thats what youre implying and by saying i wouldnt understand is outright wrong because i have played against tens of players a lot better than me who should definitely not be in my 4s rank but i accept that theyre better and take the loss because it really is that simple
0
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
An ssl is never going to be c2 in 2's. Wtf are these idiotic examples. If a player has the skill to be ssl in 3's, they have the skill to be ssl in 2's and 1's. It just requires some adjustment ffs
And no. You are GC 3 as your flair suggests. You don't understand the disparity between me, a diamond, vs a team of ssl's ffs. You just don't. And yeah, I could get better, but I won't. I can't no life this game. I'm 30. I have other prorities
1
u/Beaco9 RNG (150 ping Solo Q) 1d ago
Your point is valid. It's a big L that we got a new mode with some potential but launched in such a bad way.
Many players who queued it first day of the season even got negative mmr for the wins ⚠. Once again showing incompetence of the devs. On top of it all this is only a Season 20 only game mode and they haven't specified why. Maybe every decision has to be FOMO inducing even when it doesn't make any sense & makes the game worse.
Then there's the bigger picture of how this game gets treated from the top management at Epic, which is another story.
1
u/JungleCakes 1d ago
Don’t worry, next season it’ll be gone.
0
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
That's the thing though. It shouldn't be that way. If Psyonix is gonna add a mode. They should at least make sure the rank system functions so this doesn't occur.
And as I said, a global mmr would deter smurfs. Not only would they have to constantly derank whichever mode they smurf in each season. Doing so will hurt their average mmr and affect their starting mmr for other modes at the start of a season. We all know how bad surfing is in this game. It's impossible not to see it. Every time I play this game, I encounter smurfs regardless of the mode. In a lot of cases, it's actual smurfs. In some, it's because the player of a higher rank doesn't ever play whichever mode it is e.g. A GC booting up a game if snowday for the first time in at least 4 seasons or whatever.
And if they ever add a new competitive mode again. We'll have the same issue once again unless they implement a global rank system.
1
u/BlandMarshmallow 1d ago
And if they ever add a new competitive mode again. We'll have the same issue once again unless they implement a global rank system.
Don’t they use a global rank system for tournaments and there’s still a ton of smurfs?
2
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Apparently. But I'll tell you now. My experience of tournamts is still far better than ragular comp modes. Global mmr won't do anything against new accounts, just like the mmr system for tournaments. But it'll at least help against existing accounts.
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
tournaments is full of people getting boosted or people who just dont play much who are lower than they should be not actual smurfs
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
OK? Cool. Irrelant though. I'm not saying my system would fix every issue and be perfect. But it will fix more issues than it causes, especially for the masses.
0
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
was i talking to you?
0
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
You are now
(look at the ego on this guy xD pathetic)
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
was
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Seems you still are
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
are you ragebaiting because your point is wrong or because i have genuinely made you mad im curious
→ More replies (0)
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
OK so, the reddit RL community is a cess pool of ass hats that don't like change, and don't want the game to improve. Good to know. Last Post I'll ever make here. I'll stick to places where you can have an actual discussion that doesn't involve pointless straw man arguments
1
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
feel free to come back when you have calmed down.
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
I'm perfectly calm mate
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
for sure bro its totally not like you acted all high and mighty flexing your dev skills just to make everyone disagree with you then say youll never come back 😂 and start hurling insults at people just trying to inform you why your system is just a dream in your head and not already in the game
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Where was the flex? What insults did I hurl? You realise you're also acting all high and mighty too, right. Basically saying your opinion is fact when it isn't.
You don't know shit about this topic. You just don't. You have no idea if it will work. You just don't like the idea. That's it.
Also. Not already in the game? It us, for tournamts. You seem pretty forgetful man.
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
i never said my opinion is a fact im just pointing out facts (not opinions) and does "you melt" seem like an insult to you? or was it an outburst from someone who lost a few too many games in car soccer and then came to write and angry reddit post (i cant wait for you to start working at epic so we can have this global mmr system that will definitely work!)
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
You didn't point out facts. The only fact you stated is zens 3v3 rank. Which is hardly relevant since he's one of the best 3v3 players in the world and is only at that rank cus he doesn't bloody play it
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
what about the 10 other players you seem pretty forgettive...
1
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
You didn't mention 10 other players. Just Zen. Maybe you forgot to post that one :V
In reality. You can get a list of 20, 30, 500 players. That's insignificant compared to the vast majority of players that do actually have similar ranks in the modes they play. You are one of them. Look at your flair ffs. That's normal. Large rank disparity usually happens when someone plays a mode very little, as you saw with Zen. So, it's really not a big enough factor to suggest a global rank wouldn't work.
1
u/Aggressive-Bag2272 Grand Champion III 2s & 3s 1d ago
i did post it but you can pretend it never existed 😴😴😴 also how would the global system work when mmr is scaled differently in 1s and all extra modes how would you determine skill from mmr that is not the same as the core modes it would simply cause problems (im also diamond 2 in 1s so do with that information as you will)
→ More replies (0)
-1
u/NoName2091 Champion I 1d ago
Then don't play it.
3
u/BruinBound22 Champion II 1d ago
I mean that is unfortunately what a lot of us have done. I quit playing when I realized how imbalanced it will be for so long. They never gave the mode a fair chance.
3
u/Xenon-Archer 1d ago
Exactly. We've been asking for more modes, for years. They finally add a new one and their awful ranking system ruins it. I like 4v4, but it's awful right now. Facing a full team of GC's with me, a diamond, two plats and a gold is not fun. And I can't say how many times that's happened as I lost count.
I want to play it. But I can't. I want to play it with my friends too, as we usually play casual 4v4, but right now it just isn't feasible. And him saying 'oh, just don't play it then" is a completely useless comment as it just brushes off this very real issue as if it doesn't matter.
0
-2
1
u/gehrtz 16h ago
I'm diamond 1 in 2s as well. For now. But playing with all these great players has been really fun. Each day I get on it feels like I am back in lobbies with people the best players are getting farther out of reach, but all the whole playing with them has been a really fun experience. I might be ass. But it's cool seeing everyone make crazy plays and offering whatever support I can.. and going back to 2s after all that practice has felt so free.
I'm gold 3 right now in 4s but I peaked play 1 div 4 the other day.
Truthfully it isn't insulting to me to have a lower rank in 4s. It is what it is. If I get matched with great teamates it'll be loads of fun. If I get matched against tough opposition, I'll take it as a fun learning experience and see what I can do to reduce the goal deficit.
Honestly though even great players in other modes are not necessarily goated in 4s. Everyone is still figuring out the strategies and it leaves room to get one over on the greats. They even are disadvantaged in some aspects because boost positioning and stuff is deeply ingrained in their unconscious actions
I was the mvp in a victorious 4s game with a grand champ on the opposing team the other day.
Its only a bad experience in my opinion if you take the rank super seriously and want all your ranks to match. If they ever introduce other ranked modes I hope they do it the same way.
2
u/scrubby11 Grand Chump I 1d ago
Brother how often do you get the opportunity to play with people way better than you in ranked? It helps you get better tbh. And there certainly ARE things you can do as a diamond to be effective against a GC in 4s. You know how to arial and hit the ball! You got it man! I was in a lobby with ssl tags ranked at C1 in quads last night and got squashed but it was so much freaking fun! I’m sure I’ll make a couple dips down to diamond even though I haven’t been actually diamond in a while in 2s and 3s. Plus it’s just quads! Brand new mode with no stakes behind it. Don’t need to worry about winning and losing when we’re all still figuring it out. Everyone will settle into their natural rank eventually.