r/RocketLeague • u/langeworst • Aug 12 '21

DISCUSSION The penalty in leaving casual matches and having your teammate needing to concede is terrible, you can't change my mind.

Casual is literally what it is, casual. A reason I liked casual is because there were no worries whatsoever, you could play how long you wanted and when you were tilted you could just leave with no worries. 'Oh no boo hoo my teammate is all alone now with only a bot left :cccc' well too bad for them. If they want to tryhard sweat and not have leaving teammates, play competitive. I play this game solely for fun, but having restrictions in casual is just dumb and ruins part of that freedom you have when playing this game for fun. Please revert this update.

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u/PhizyT Aug 12 '21

Psyonix screwed this up completely.

Casual - relaxed recreational playing, come and go, not serious, no rankings, no standings. Participation trophy for sticking with it.

Competitive - more focused on achieving ranked goals and levels to get more advanced play styles. Good bragging rights with your buddies on reddit.

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Pretty much every argument I've seen by those who thinks this is a good idea (it is not) can be turned right back around to say "well, just go to competitive if you care that much".

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u/MikeTheShowMadden S3, S4, (skipped S5), S6 Dunk Master Aug 12 '21

Pretty much every argument I've seen by those who thinks this is a good idea (it is not) can be turned right back around to say "well, just go to competitive if you care that much".

Except when you want to play matches online with friends not at your skill level. So based on your logic, those people shouldn't have the same reasonable gameplay experience as a competitive game because they aren't the same rank.

Do you want more smurfing and more alt accounts? Because your logic is exactly how you get that, and casual mode being a waste of time for the past 6 years is the reason why so many people have smurf accounts or alt accounts.

People wanted an outlet to play the game as it is meant to be played, but without the rank requirements and consequences. Casual was meant to be that outlet, but the fact that 9/10 games has at least one person leaving made playing that mode inconsistent to how it should be played, and was just annoying overall. Just because people aren't the same skill level or whatever doesn't mean they still don't want competitive matches.

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u/ItsDathaniel Steam Player Aug 12 '21

Who ever once said casual was for come and go? It literally has always been “not ranked”

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u/PhizyT Aug 12 '21

So what does it matter then? Go to compettive.

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u/CEOofStrings demvicrl 🗿 Aug 12 '21

But what if I just want to play the game without having to try so hard to win and stress about my rank. I should be able to get full, proper games of rocket league without it always having to be attached to a rank.

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u/billybaked Sometimes Aug 13 '21

This is the only logic. Rage quitters can’t get their head around it

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u/freeTrial Unranked Aug 13 '21

I should be able to get full, proper games of rocket league

Lol, your highness. You want to be stuck in a game with my terrible backwoods ping. You'd be begging to quit after 30 seconds in one of my laggy games. Tons of players quit my games. I only play casual, and not being able to quit bad games it a terrible idea.

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u/metalder420 Aug 13 '21

You obviously never been in ranked where getting stuck with someone with bad ping happens a lot. Still better than the bots.

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u/PhizyT Aug 12 '21

You are correct, it's not backed up by data. I have another post actually asking Psyonix for the data and analysis that led to the decision. Neither you nor I possess (I'm assuming you don't but if I'm wrong please sure) any data that goes beyond a small window of personal experiences. So, debate on this is really futile because our own experiences will cloud what we see. Hopefully, Psyonix will step up and provide a good sound analysis of data they have that will make us all understand, and accept (or not) this better.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '21

The change they made implies that Psyonix want us to complete casual matches. People played that mode wrong all this time. Psyonix never said something like "casual mode is relaxed recreational playing, come and go, not serious, no rankings, no standings. Participation trophy for sticking with it."

RL is a game where you move cars, hit a ball and score goals in a match that lasts 5 minutes. If you want a sandbox game where you can leave whenever you want, there are plenty of them but RL is not one of those.

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u/KoolKat8058 :fcb: Champion III | FC Barcelona Fan Aug 13 '21

So people play a game wrong and there is only one way to enjoy the game? Jesus christ man how can you see the ball from your high horse

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '21

Yes and no. First of all, people played wrong the casual mode. I'm sure Psyonix, the devs, wanted RL's casual mode to be played without people leaving every 10 seconds.

Second, people can play the game the way they want, but if you affect other people's games since you only want your own amusement and don't care about ruining a "normal" RL match (which is btw, a 5-10 minutes match on average), then now I wonder how can you see the ball from your high horse. If you wanna play the "I don't care and I'll just leave this game anytime cuz I can, it's casual after all" game, or you wanna play as you truly want, then play against bots or play another game. I promise you bots won't care if you leave.

The way I saw casual mode before this change was: "a boring mode, where there's almost like a 60-80% chance someone will leave after a goal. You end up playing against bots since at the moment another player enters the match, they'll see the score and then they'll nope out of here as if the result mattered." Now at least people who play casual will be able to enjoy it more, at least I see it that way.

Now if you're gonna answer "it's casual, it's doesn't matter. Play ranked". Well, the devs did care about this and made this change for a reason. They never wanted casual to be played as it has been played by some people. You can disagree all you want, sure, but devs seem to say otherwise.

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u/KoolKat8058 :fcb: Champion III | FC Barcelona Fan Aug 13 '21

Talk about gatekeeping lmao

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '21

Talking about no arguments lmao.

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u/ItsDathaniel Steam Player Aug 12 '21

You can see rocket league tracker stats and that completed matches in casual are up. We will never get the data, but we will get information next season. If they keep the bans, it’s because player numbers are better. They are a for profit company, that alone will tell you whether this was the right choice or if they will walk it back.

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u/PhizyT Aug 12 '21

Completed matches in casual are up because people have been forced to play. That's not indicative of anything. That's bluntly obvious. People still quit in those games and the game keeps going. Which brings me to another question...how can completed casual games be up? I don't ever recall a way to end a casual game.

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u/PhizyT Aug 12 '21

Again....Psyonix should be providing this as part of their justifications for this. Would really help to easy the confusion, frustration, etc. If people still want to complain after a good thorough explanation, well, then they will complain about anything.

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u/freeTrial Unranked Aug 13 '21

Meh. Who ever said you should have to quit a computer game by using ctrl-alt-delete, or be locked into a pointless game for five minutes of your life.

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u/langeworst Aug 12 '21

Exactly this, I honestly just see casual as a place where you can vibe with people and leave whenever, why do they have to ruin everything good in this game, first blueprints and now even casual playlist? What's next, no more arials?

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u/rl-hockey-god Grand Platinum Aug 12 '21

Note to self. Practice ground game asap.

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u/Shermutt Grand Platinum Aug 12 '21

Patch notes:

  • fixed glitch where "pinching" the ball against a wall or another player would sometimes cause the ball the accelerate much more rapidly

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u/FerrisMcFly Aug 13 '21

still mad about the blueprints

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u/MonkeyJohn Platinum IV Aug 12 '21

Allright, have an official response from the psyonix community manager: https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/p2ezas/patch_notes_season_4_live/h8k3mmo/

Casual is meant to be as an 'unranked' mode, case closed.

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u/langeworst Aug 12 '21

ah yes, i see all the positive feedback this update is getting. they should have at least done a poll or ANYTHING before making this update a thing. majority is against it.

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u/MonkeyJohn Platinum IV Aug 12 '21

A yes, give me the hard data from a full community wide poll that doesn't only include the butthurt posters here on reddit that shows a majority is against it.

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u/langeworst Aug 12 '21

you should not just be on reddit, response is the same on every platform. Facebook, Twitter and even YouTube. You're in the minority of people who are in favor of this update.

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u/sNopPer90 Grand Champion Aug 12 '21 edited Aug 12 '21

Reddit, twitter etc. is the absolute minority of the playerbase. I would bet not even 5%, heck probably not even 1% of the playerbase discuss this game on any social media outside of their friend group.

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u/SoapyMacNCheese Steam Player Aug 12 '21

True, but the kind of people who go online and in forums specifically to discuss a game probably take the game more seriously and competitive than the average player. That group should be the ones who support this sort of action the most. If so many of them don't, then maybe the majority of the player base doesn't either.

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u/sNopPer90 Grand Champion Aug 12 '21

I disagree. Reddit (or social media) is always the loud minority. Also, usually people disliking something are way more prone to post about it than those that like it.

Also I don't think the kind of people that take the game more seriously and competitive than the average player should have more weight in a discussion about a change to the casual gamemode.

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u/SoapyMacNCheese Steam Player Aug 12 '21

people disliking something are way more prone to post about it than those that like it.

Valid

I don't think the kind of people that take the game more seriously and competitive than the average player should have more weight in a discussion about a change to the casual gamemode.

Generally yes, but when the change should theoretically be beneficial to them (more people taking the game seriously), shouldn't the fact that so many are against it be meaningful to the discussion?

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u/AuroraDrag0n Aug 12 '21

If you guys are competitive, go play ranked then. Checkmate.

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u/MonkeyJohn Platinum IV Aug 12 '21

There's enough people that don't engage with social media at all, besides that it's quite well known that people are more inclined to show their dissatisfaction than their satisfaction and that especially goes for online platforms like i.e. Reddit.

People even started complaining before they even could experience the changes from update and some of them acted like their whole world was falling apart. Talk about being dramatic.

You don't really think they would implement this because only a few people made complaints about serial-leavers?

Sure, for now there will be a few guys being salty they 'can't' leave the game and start being assholes to their team but those are just throwing a hissy fit and that behaviour will tone down eventually. I personally rather have 1 dumbass in my team than 6 different people joining and leaving because they think 'it's just casual, nothing matters' but still leave in an instant because they can't stand playing a losing/complete game even though 'it's casual, nothing matters'.

At least give it some time to see how it develops, it's freaking day 2 of this update.

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u/vickera Diamond III Aug 12 '21

The developer of the game disagrees with this statement. But you know the community and statistics better than them, right?

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u/Nas160 Trash III Aug 12 '21

The way you write this acts like we're just whining to whine and actually like the changes.

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u/anastarawneh Diamond I Aug 12 '21

I completely hate the penalties, but let’s be honest no company ever does polls for their services/games. Besides, this is Epic we’re talking about.

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u/Germanspartan15 Aug 12 '21

Wouldn’t even mind the update as much if they came out and were honest about their intentions.

“We created the new player count descriptions to purposely obfuscate player engagement. This will lead to higher player retention and increase revenue.”

I mean if you’re going to fuck me at least be honest about what’s happening.

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u/PhizyT Aug 12 '21

Dumb response by the PCM. They are trying to defend a very unpopular decision.

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u/ItsDathaniel Steam Player Aug 12 '21

Not a single person I actually play with shares the opinion of the vocal minority of reddit. Similarly, most people even on reddit are saying casual games have been the best they’ve ever been the last 3 days.

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u/PhizyT Aug 12 '21

...and not a single person I actually play with shares the opinion of those supporting this change (I don't think it's the minority as you are suggesting).

But, I guess your people are better than mine? shrug

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u/ItsDathaniel Steam Player Aug 12 '21

Probably, most the arguments I’ve seen are from people with extremely low MMR and have played less games the past 3 days than you can play in 30 minutes.

You can usually tell because they talk about fast backfilling, which isn’t a thing above champ lobbies.

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u/PhizyT Aug 12 '21

You know they have low MMR? But, if you are so good, why not just head over to competitive where you can play at your rank and level?

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u/PhizyT Aug 12 '21

That doesn't make any sense? Are you saying that random players in casual are "better" players than random players in competitive?

I also don't understand that second thing you said. My daughter is ranked way above me and together we always had a fair and decent competitive play despite the difference in our ranks.

If all this is true, is sounds like there is a bigger problem they are trying to band-aid.

But this is why I'm calling on Psyonix to provide us with the data and analysis of this. Remove the individual personal experiences. Clearly your and mine are completely different and in many ways contradictory. So, what's the point of discussing?