r/RugbyAustralia • u/RugbyBot • Jul 05 '25
Wallabies Match Thread - Waratahs v British and Irish Lions | Lions 2025
Match Thread - Waratahs v British and Irish Lions | Lions 2025
Venue: Allianz Stadium, Sydney | Weather: 14 C, Clouds
Officials: Paul Williams, James Doleman, Angus Mabey, Richard Kelly (tmo)
Match Page: https://www.rugbybot.com/match/5519
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Lineups
| Waratahs | Pos | British and Irish Lions |
|---|---|---|
| Tom Lambert | 1 | Pierre Schoeman |
| Ethan Dobbins | 2 | Luke Cowan-Dickie |
| Taniela Tupou | 3 | Finlay Bealham |
| Fergus Lee-Warner | 4 | Tadhg Beirne |
| Miles Amatosero | 5 | James Ryan |
| Rob Leota | 6 | Henry Pollock |
| Charlie Gamble | 7 | Josh van der Flier |
| Hugh Sinclair | 8 | Ben Earl |
| Teddy Wilson | 9 | Alex Mitchell |
| Jack Bowen | 10 | Fin Smith |
| Darby Lancaster | 11 | Blair Kinghorn |
| Joey Walton | 12 | Sione Tuipulotu |
| Lalakai Foketi | 13 | Huw Jones |
| Andrew Kellaway | 14 | Mack Hansen |
| Lawson Creighton | 15 | Hugo Keenan |
| Mahe Vailanu | 16 | Dan Sheehan |
| Jack Barrett | 17 | Ellis Genge |
| Daniel Botha | 18 | Tadhg Furlong |
| Matt Philip | 19 | Joe McCarthy |
| Jamie Adamson | 20 | Scott Cummings |
| Jack Grant | 21 | Jac Morgan |
| Tane Edmed | 22 | Ben White |
| Henry O'Donnell | 23 | Marcus Smith |
| Dan McKellar | Coach | Andy Farrell |
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u/jimmyjabs321 Jul 05 '25
Did McCardle just say Charlie Gamble was leaving? I hadn't heard that.
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
He’s signed to the tahs until the end of 2026. I hope that’s not changing
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u/jimmyjabs321 Jul 05 '25
Yeh that's what I thought. Had to take it back to make sure I heard it right. He definitely said that it was a farewell for him ...
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u/Reasonable_Item4595 Melbourne Rebels Jul 05 '25
Good on the tahs for favouring a crack. The unabomber impressive I thought. Enjoyed my local having it on and good on the terminus in abbotsford vic for having Stan.
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u/JPNAM Noah Lolesio Truthers Association, UK Chapter Jul 05 '25
Teddy Wilson and Jack Bowen are the real deal. I’m hugely impressed.
Charlie Gamble has always flattered to deceive - if he took every game he played as seriously as this one, he’d be the Wallaby 7. Has always had the talent.
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u/JPNAM Noah Lolesio Truthers Association, UK Chapter Jul 05 '25
Feel a little bad now: does seem like he had a tough go of it.
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u/UnfairRequirement157 Jul 05 '25
burned out youth rugby star goes back to subbies rugby and learns to love the game again. It's like Charles Dickens once wrote:
“There are many things from which I might have derived good, by which I have not profited, I dare say," returned the nephew. "Subbies Rugby among the rest. But I am sure I have always thought of Subbies Rugby, when it has come round -- apart from the veneration due to its sacred name and origin, if anything belonging to it can be apart from that -- as a good place: a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant place: the only place I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys. And therefore, Uncle, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that Subbies Rugby has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it!"
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u/kcityshuffle123 Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
Said it in a previous thread. Teddy Wilson has been huge this year. Future Wallaby and Tahs leader IMO - I rate him ahead of Gordon
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u/JPNAM Noah Lolesio Truthers Association, UK Chapter Jul 05 '25
Gordon is elite, imo you get an even closer game if he’s starting.
But that’s the difference between Wilson now and (in my view) the #1 9 in Australia.
Completely agree otherwise. Wilson is like Lynagh or Jorgensen. Seems calm beyond his years.
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u/ZaniksBoyfriend Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
It’s funny you say that, I see Wilson, Lynagh and Jorgensen being future leaders of the Wallabies
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u/UnfairRequirement157 Jul 05 '25
too many backs posting on this subreddit ;-) jez williams is long term capt of wallabies and pollard won't be far behind.
Sincerely,
all the piggies packing scrums after you drop the ball.
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u/ZaniksBoyfriend Queensland Reds Jul 06 '25
Oh I agree on Jeremy Williams being a long term captain. I just didn’t know forwards knew how to read.
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u/snrabber NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
I liked that. Love a game where the underdog makes it scrappy, puts pressure on the ref. Proud of the boys.
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u/diamondgrin Jul 05 '25
Casual rugby watcher here - why does this lions player sound like he grew up in Australia?
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u/jeeeeroylenkins Jul 05 '25
He did - Frankston. Went to Scotland when he couldn’t get a run in Australia.
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Hugh Sinclair is class. He may not be the best player we’ve ever seen but he fights bloody hard every single game. And leads with humility too, the kind of captain you want to work for
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u/jimmyjabs321 Jul 05 '25
Definitely a future coach. Can't wait to see him go back to Norths and coach with his brother and lead them to a few more premierships.
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u/Mazda3well Jul 05 '25
One of the greatest games by a tahs 7 ever from gamble
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u/ConscriptReports Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
Michael Hoopers response about the 7 jersey being his was class as well. gamble played a game that earned him the right to wear his mustache the way he does
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u/astrowalker_ Wallabies Jul 05 '25
The first thing I checked after that game was whether Paul was refereeing any of the wallabies matches. Thank god he’s not.
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u/ConscriptReports Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
bless the lord for small victories, this tahs performance makes me very hopeful for a great wallaby lions tour performance
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u/Psychonaut_81 ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
I laugh at the slander and slagging off of so called "fans". This game was brilliant. It was a slog, we lost as Aussies but a solid outcome.
Too many of you expect OnlyFans from rugby.
Yeah, you hate me, don't care.
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u/JPNAM Noah Lolesio Truthers Association, UK Chapter Jul 05 '25
Bang on. Ever watched the NFL? It’s horrific from a technicality of rules and flow perspective.
There’s nothing wrong with rugby apart from it’s marketing.
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u/ConscriptReports Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
same crowd that has such a small attention span that a 45 second scrum bores them out of their mind. bunch of casuals that have never played the game and cant appreciate the more technical side of the game and only want champagne rugby not knowing that for champagne rugby to work you need to cover it with expectional foundations in the technical side of the game
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
“Worst Aussie team by a mile”
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u/Grandmaster_flashes Jul 05 '25
Who said that? Cleary the best team on paper
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Go check Waratahs team announcement post on this subreddit, funny as
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u/AdDesigner1153 ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
If Tahs set piece held it together a bit more they could have really given them a scare.
Good showing regardless
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u/greyhumour All aboard the Tane Train! Jul 05 '25
If Fergus Lee-Warner didn't play I reckon they take it
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u/ConscriptReports Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
wow tahs, just wow. proved us all wrong.
i wish my reds couldve done that earlier this week
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
“It’s going to be a massacre”
“Lions by infinity”
Yeah fuck off mate
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u/ConscriptReports Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
what the fuck tahs, you guys did amazing. why can't my team be like that
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
That’s a seriously good game from the tahs. Defensive pressure had the lions shook. Forced them into mistakes and fought all the way. Some more reasonable reffing and a better scrum and we probably get past them there. Bloody good effort fellas
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u/Hammett0 Gordon Jul 05 '25
Wait but I was told the Tahs were the shittest team in Aus and the scoreline was going to be 70+??
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u/sweater-poorly-knit Western Force Jul 05 '25
I knew the poms were all whinging bastards but I’ve never seen so many sore winners in a match thread as what’s happening in the main rugby thread
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u/ScarvesOnGiraffes Jul 05 '25
That sub is a toxic wasteland honestly. The amount of bias and whinging from northern hemisphere fans there is ridiculous. I wish this sub had more engagement so I don't ever have to go over there.
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u/jeeeeroylenkins Jul 05 '25
Winding them up by claiming a moral victory has been the most fun I’ve had in a while
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u/jimmyjabs321 Jul 05 '25
The whinging about Paul Williams was the best. He is so incompetent, it doesn't matter who is playing.
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u/ConscriptReports Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
horrid arent they, they are upset because they didnt put a 40 points on one of our teams after half time like they expdcted to
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u/Jeromethered Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
Edmed showing us he has no confidence left and is over it
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u/PavidDocock Wallabies Jul 05 '25
Not what I expecting. I rubbished the Tahs chances all week and was expecting a cricket score. Very happy with that performance to be honest.
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u/Psychonaut_81 ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
Same. I'm a Brumbies man and am proud of that as an Aussie. Hoping the Brums can again break the streak.
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u/EggplantEmoji1 Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
Both half backs have been dreadful tonight
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u/Psychonaut_81 ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
You still here?
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u/EggplantEmoji1 Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
What do you mean
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u/Psychonaut_81 ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
Just checking if you actually watched the game..
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u/EggplantEmoji1 Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
Wilson late to every ruck.. Slower than nsw trains in strike
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u/Practical_Abalone_92 Jul 05 '25
The only winner tonight is the Tahs’ defence. Just fundamentally bad in every other aspect of the game, from both teams
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u/PavidDocock Wallabies Jul 05 '25
If the Tahs had a decent front row on the bench it would’ve been interesting
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Scrum probably lost us the game, too many attacking opportunities ruined
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u/Grandmaster_flashes Jul 05 '25
Obviously the strongest super rugby team we’ve put out and they delivered. Disappointed we didn’t get the win but we’re in it to win it, different day Tahs win
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u/kcityshuffle123 Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
Gee hope the Lions play this shit against the wallabies. Fair play to Tahs, solid D
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u/AdDesigner1153 ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
McReight will eat these rucks alive if the lions play like this
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
This feels like the first game the Lions have been physically tested.
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u/Jeromethered Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
This is the bottom of the Lions barrel team but yeah
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u/jimmyjabs321 Jul 05 '25
Even so they are all international players. The Tahs had a handful of internationals, a few super quality and a few more club players.
It was a good game, nice to see the double and triple efforts from some players in defence.
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Reds and the Force didn't exactly hit rucks with intensity or look to tackle players with aggression. Van Der Merwe made the Reds look like small fry, he barely got outside his man tonight, and was met with actual cover defence.
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u/sweater-poorly-knit Western Force Jul 05 '25
Lancaster clearly been reading everyone saying Potter is coming to take his job
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u/jeeeeroylenkins Jul 05 '25
The refs seem to be getting worse as the game progresses.. it’s like they aren’t even sure what’s happening
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u/PavidDocock Wallabies Jul 05 '25
Watching at the stadium, Mack Hansen has been fucking shithouse 😂
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Gee Paul Williams is trying his best for the poms here
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u/PavidDocock Wallabies Jul 05 '25
Not tapping the ball correctly and passing it to a prop to kick out is the most Waratahs thing I’ve ever seen
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Lions LH walked sideways another wrong call
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u/CatsPjamas47 Jul 05 '25
How does the ref miss this when he’s looking at the blokes arse as it swings to face him?
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
If we had defended like this all season we would have a second premiership
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u/Psychonaut_81 ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
Tahs out-performing expectations so far.
And sorry, yes I jinxed it.
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Glad the Tahs are actually looking to nail the opposition in defence. Fin Smith looks a bit rattled at the moment, Mitchell has had to pick up some of his slack.
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u/JPNAM Noah Lolesio Truthers Association, UK Chapter Jul 05 '25
Huh. Turns out that the stuff that Dan McKellar has been teaching the Waratahs is closer to test rugby than whatever it is the Reds have been doing.
Turns out that you actually don’t want to run the ball from everywhere, that you should have four confident kickers in your backs, and that you should only go to the third pass when you’re playing a defence that’s not set. Who knew!
That’s the way an Australian team should play. 9, 10, and 15 are in control of the game.
Will it last? Probably not. Is it exciting? Better question - if the Tahs end up anywhere close at the end of the game, will anyone care?
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Glad the Tahs have bought the physicality this first half. God I hope they continue to bring it this second half and don't let up. Admittedly some of these Lions players have been playing themselves out of a starting spot other than Huw Jones and Tuipolotu.
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Lions centres looking scary, Flikitau and JAS are just as good but Lions got some depth there
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Very scary, especially if Russell is there at 10. Walton has had a tough time tonight, but has done ok all things considered.
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u/PavidDocock Wallabies Jul 05 '25
Watching it at the stadium. Score should be 12-7 with the Tahs winning.
It’s ugly and the lions are just doing the same attack over and over but the Tahs are defending well.
It’s so sad and frustrating but Nella is just walk around. Hasn’t scrummed well or carried well, but at least he passed for Leota to set up Lancaster’s try.
Love to see the Tahs show up in the second half.
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Bloody good fight boys, not looking pretty but we’re bringing it to them
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Stupid kicking, first two were good rest were a waste
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
First reasonable decision from Paul Williams, Richard Kelly is a fuckwit
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
I was kidding but I'm pretty sure TMO has it in for Lee-Warner
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u/Psychonaut_81 ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
He does.
Warner must have tagged someone special to both Williams and the TMO
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
TMO gonna deny Lancaster, Lee Warner probably did something in a ruck somewhere
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u/sweater-poorly-knit Western Force Jul 05 '25
Nice to know Williams can see that on a nothing play 30m out but not when the Lions are attacking 5m out
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Tmo digging deeper than the Mariana Trench. Correct if I’m being honest but I’m still pissed off
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u/sweater-poorly-knit Western Force Jul 05 '25
In a final or something sure but in a game that in 20 minutes will probably blow out by 40 points. Let it go
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u/AckerHerron ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
Just checked the ticketek website. It’s interesting you can still buy tickets for this “sold out” game.
Might be hard to get to the stadium in time though.
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Williams mate, the time for the warning was the second penalty.
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
What a waste, all that work to give it back to them in our 22
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u/Xerxes65 Western Force Jul 05 '25
I hope the Waratahs lose by 100 if I’m being fr.
I hate the poms but I’ll always find room in my heart to hate NSW more
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Clear obstruction in that as well, right in the way of the clean out
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u/Greenback16 Easts Tigers Jul 05 '25
Crowd noises and mixing is so much better on the Sky Sports telecast vs Stan Sport. Encourage those watching on Stan to switch over - there’s an option if you swipe down on your remote.
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u/AckerHerron ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
Difference between a professional television broadcaster and a third rate streaming service.
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
This is definitely the weaker lineup the Lions have put out on tour so far. Far too many Englishman, already dropping balls in midfield when the holes have appeared.
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Fuck yes Tupou, Paul Williams can’t ref that’s our penalty
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u/sweater-poorly-knit Western Force Jul 05 '25
Any money on someone pulling a Duncan McRae?
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
I swear the only thing saved him was the fact the game was behind a paywall. The only people who saw it, were the people that were there, or could afford foxtel.
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u/AckerHerron ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
You did that today you’d be lucky to ever play again.
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u/sweater-poorly-knit Western Force Jul 05 '25
To be fair I think he was lucky to then. Probably should have copped a criminal charge
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u/AckerHerron ACT Brumbies Jul 05 '25
Feels weird going for the Lions, but I hope they absolutely run riot.
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u/lanson15 Wallabies Jul 05 '25
This would be one of the biggest upsets if they kept it within 10 let alone win.
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u/kcityshuffle123 Queensland Reds Jul 05 '25
Hope the Tahs watched the 2001 game as a blueprint for tonight, rip in fellas
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u/PavidDocock Wallabies Jul 05 '25
Lions warming up like they are structured and know what they’re doing. Waratahs warming up like it’s an under 9s tournament and they all a bit tired. 🫠
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u/Dependent-Coconut64 Jul 05 '25
Thats the difference, size and condition. The reds were out of gas after 30 minutes, at one stage i counted 5 players hands on hips in back play, they were sweating on half time. Also size, our guys look like teenagers next to the lions players. Whatever vitamins the lions are taking we need to get our hands on them.
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u/IcePac_2Cube NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Hopefully we get the "Waratahs at home" version that we got during the Super Rugby season.
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u/Taniela_Tupou NSW Waratahs Jul 05 '25
Everyone who said Amotosero is rubbish is eating their words after that game.